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Starfy
1,046 posts
Joined November 2012
Starfy
The more the restriction on mappers, the more the frustration and pressure they have
To be honest, these rules are terrible since it limits the freedom of creating a map
I don't see any reason that mapsets are needed to be limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode
More difficulties can provide a larger variety for players to play, and allow them to experience different kinds of mapping style in one map
Is this a fault?
More difficulties can provide a more perfect diff-spread for the map, players can select a appropriate difficulty to play and have fun
Is this a fault?
Stop limiting our creativity please
We are black and blue because of the higher restriction of ranking criteria
Alheak
910 posts
Joined November 2013
Alheak
fuk
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Bursthammy
1,254 posts
Joined May 2015
Bursthammy
well this is truly the worst idea, ever

it's been said multiple times, but having limitations on the amount of difficult maps is something that absolutely no one asked for, why was this even thought of in the first place? what the fuck?

secondly, FORCING difficult marathon maps to have insanes is just

god

how did you guys come up with this

imagine if this rule came out earlier and furioso melodia or tengaku was forced to have an insane difficulty

the reason these maps are so special is BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE DIFFICULTY AND ITS HARD AS SHIT and it's the mapper's vision on what he wanted to make with the map, difficulty-wise

this is the exact same kind of logic mappers would use to "hit a certain difficulty star rating" through the use of very intense sections, not fitting the song, except opposite

you are forcing mappers to make something easier than their intended vision of the song and thats ridiculous AND time consuming
Makeli
932 posts
Joined October 2013
Makeli
Guess I'll go map a 5* CS6 Insane for my approval map then
PureFallen
14 posts
Joined June 2014
PureFallen

ztrot wrote:

At last, we altered the requirements for Approval beatmaps. Approval mapsets must have 1 difficulty that is either an Easy, Normal, Hard or Insane. Your mapset must contain an Insane difficulty if an Expert or Ultra difficulty is present. This means that every Approval containing only an Expert or Ultra difficulty must receive a second difficulty. If you do not wish to map more than one difficulty for your Approval sets, we would advise you to keep the single difficulty at Insane level or below.


Well, i can already smell that this will crash some currently pending beatmaps.

Also this "restrictions" (i don´t call it restructure) may decrease the amount of maps instead of rebalance the difficulty for all players.
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Bara-
11,980 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
Can;t there be a "cummunity's voice" poll about it?
mintong89
3,699 posts
Joined July 2011
mintong89
This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
Osu Mapman
2,514 posts
Joined August 2012
Osu Mapman

Anxient wrote:

itll be soon until peppy comes in and tells everyone to wank wank dick dicks shut the fuck up
fuck a donkey™
Doyak
osu! Alumni
2,623 posts
Joined November 2012
Doyak

ztrot wrote:

Easy Normal Hard Insane Expert < and if you can make a proper spread you are rewarded to break away and test your limits as a mapper and make a ultra diff
So you're stating that easier diffs require much less effort than Ultras so it's an unimportant thing? Is this game exist only for the 8 star maps?

ztrot wrote:

it is to streamline the mapping process make things more clear as I have stated
I don't know why is that even need to be more clear. Good mapsets with good difficulties and spread should be ranked. No? How does having more diffs would even hurt it?

ztrot wrote:

That being said as long as there is progression why do you need two insanes in the same set?
Actually I think that Easy Normal Hard Insane Expert Ultra nameset is nothing but a name. So the community already knows that what fits to each difficulty, so they know that Light Insane is easier than Insane and harder than Hard. Why having this kind of difficulty is bad? Who decided that "next to Hard should be always harder as much as the Insane - Hard gap"? Is (Insane - Hard)/2 gap bad? Why?
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Ascendance
Elite Mapper
4,251 posts
Joined July 2013
Ascendance

Len wrote:

its very interesting rule
Poi Panda
87 posts
Joined July 2014
Poi Panda

Len wrote:

calm down moe ppls

we can make 1903280192380912star diff and can get ranke now
its very interesting rule
Waiting for this!!
Cheesecake
729 posts
Joined December 2013
Cheesecake
Democratic People's Republic of osu!
Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette
Clearly, nobody likes these new changes.
PLEASE, CHANGE THESE. THEY ARE COMPLETELY RETARDED.
Zone
9 posts
Joined January 2014
Zone
Please dont actually make this a thing. Rip guest diffs...
unko
521 posts
Joined March 2014
unko
I was gonna voice my opinion on this but then realized this thread is getting 3 pages of said opinion every minute.

says something doesn't it hehe
Poi Panda
87 posts
Joined July 2014
Poi Panda

Bara- wrote:

Can;t there be a "cummunity's voice" poll about it?
Don't be ridiculous. Of course you don't get a choice in what happens.
lit120
3,276 posts
Joined August 2013
lit120
I 100% believe that a lot of mappers won't map anymore if this rules are already finalized
Ideal
Nomination Assessment Team
636 posts
Joined January 2014
Ideal
WutFace DansGame
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
Shiguri
439 posts
Joined May 2013
Shiguri
rip lazy mappers
Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette

Idealism wrote:

WutFace DansGame
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
This.




I've made a mapset with a fucking ton of difficulties and I finished it yesterday. Now I've got to delete all my hard work? Fuck it.
E m i
E m i

Microsoft Vista wrote:

I was gonna voice my opinion on this but then realized this thread is getting 3 pages of said opinion every minute.

says something doesn't it hehe
hi nookls big fan :d
Noffy
Nomination Assessment Team
1,721 posts
Joined April 2012
Noffy

Shiguri wrote:

rip lazy mappers
and what about the mappers who exist out there that love a song so much they map tons of difficulties for it all on their own? rip to them too.
Nezkcat_old
Nezkcat_old
This thread is hilarious.
Mekki
Mekki
That's awful...
DeletedUser_2304476
DeletedUser_2304476

ztrot wrote:

You can add one Ultra difficulty past an Expert difficulty that does not have to increase linearly in difficulty with the rest of the spread. Keep in mind, that Ultra is a placeholder term, used to reflect a high end difficulty that has not been specified with a name yet. We put that name in place, so you guys know what we are talking about when we want to refer to the high end difficulties of a mapset.
So there can only be one 'ultra' difficulty? Does that mean that map sets like this will no longer be allowed?

ztrot wrote:

Secondly, we limited the amount of difficulties of the same level per game mode. Every mapset is limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode. While this appears very limiting at the beginning, the hybrid set rules stay intact. Don't forget that every keycount in osu!mania is considered as individual game mode, too! If you wish to get your mapsets with multiple difficulties of the same level ranked, we advise you to split it off into a new mapset.
Just why?
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JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes
well this is fucking retarded
Kencho
952 posts
Joined August 2013
Kencho
I hate this rule…………
RIP maps
Anxient
1,573 posts
Joined June 2014
Anxient
the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
NXTKitKat
100 posts
Joined December 2014
NXTKitKat
Who came up with this idea in the first place?

Tho I do agree with allowing one or more "ultra" diffs, but not the linear spread.
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xLolicore-
636 posts
Joined June 2014
xLolicore-

Anxient wrote:

the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
no pls
GIDZ
1,002 posts
Joined January 2013
GIDZ
UR MUM! Hewl noh, Rito pls fix ResidentSleeper
Noffy
Nomination Assessment Team
1,721 posts
Joined April 2012
Noffy

Anxient wrote:

the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
??
also, in before this thread is inevitably locked to shut the community up ..~
dong
329 posts
Joined May 2014
dong
no thanks
shionelove
1,522 posts
Joined September 2010
shionelove
this thread shows the demand gap between staffs and community is quite huge
0 qf map day will soon
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
lol, i think you mixed up valentine's day and april fools.
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Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette
Clearly with every single osu! player ever stating their disapproval, this is stupid.
Come[Back]Home
1,790 posts
Joined October 2011
Come[Back]Home

mintong89 wrote:

This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
EphemeralFetish
As if it wasnt hard enough to rank maps in this day and age.

Rip quality mapping.

Absolutely disgusting.
Rizia
3,114 posts
Joined January 2012
Rizia
rip osu

worst idea ever
Side
1,127 posts
Joined October 2013
Side

Shiguri wrote:

rip lazy mappers
ya rip
Len
Beatmap Nominator
2,836 posts
Joined June 2012
Len
HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MJGHD
30 posts
Joined January 2015
MJGHD
This sounds purely useless. You're restricting the amount of difficulties for the sake of it.
Nemis
854 posts
Joined May 2012
Nemis
What the fuck is this...
worst fl player
worst fl player
GIDZ - UR MUM
Cellina
Beatmap Nominator
1,023 posts
Joined March 2013
Cellina

Len wrote:

HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keada
656 posts
Joined June 2013
Keada
Rip approval maps \.-./
toybot
1,067 posts
Joined June 2013
toybot

Come[Back]Home wrote:

mintong89 wrote:

This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.
these rules make light insanes and hard+ extinct
Ideal
Nomination Assessment Team
636 posts
Joined January 2014
Ideal
I swear, if this isn't a troll, RIP osu!.
Really hoping this is.
Community poll anyone?
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Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette

[MJGHD] wrote:

This sounds purely useless. You're restricting the amount of difficulties for the sake of it.
wailord2700
63 posts
Joined October 2009
wailord2700
This is a very interesting idea!
Nozhomi
Global Moderator
4,579 posts
Joined May 2013
Nozhomi

Come[Back]Home wrote:

mintong89 wrote:

This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.
You don't get it lol you just can't have a Hard+ with a Hard because they're both Hard.
(Sry if your post was ironic)
xLolicore-
636 posts
Joined June 2014
xLolicore-

L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:

GIDZ - UR MUM
Mum? qq
Poi Panda
87 posts
Joined July 2014
Poi Panda

Len wrote:

HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IM DYING
- Hakase -
1 post
Joined May 2015
- Hakase -
It is unnecessary. >.>
Meg
1,622 posts
Joined August 2012
Meg
no sense
[TaikoTori]
147 posts
Joined September 2011
[TaikoTori]

Ascendance wrote:

Spy wrote:

lmfao
also, http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738
Suisei XYousoro
216 posts
Joined September 2014
Suisei XYousoro
This is terrible if difficulty spreads are required for Taiko/CtB/mania mapsets that have no easier diffs including marathons and compilations.

Looks like the future Taiko maps that I worked on will never materialize as single diff mapsets.
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MEGAtive
1,658 posts
Joined August 2013
MEGAtive
Hot topic here

For rules regarding approvals, I don't really mind since it means there's more people playing the mapset.

For rules regarding one diff one map, I don't find any problem on it since I already applying this for a long time. But what'd I say is that pattern's difficulty are pretty subjective. I stumbled across many mappers that considers hard to execute patterns as normal patterns. Aren't that means Mapper A's Hard is considered as hard as Mapper B's Normal?

And,
If you wish to get your mapsets with multiple difficulties of the same level ranked, we advise you to split it off into a new mapset.
Are you telling mappers to rank an exactly same song twice or more if he got many styles to express?
Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette

Len wrote:

HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO
JamesHappy
679 posts
Joined January 2014
JamesHappy

Side wrote:

PLz n0 k1ll m4pp3r sp1r17
DeletedUser_1574070
DeletedUser_1574070
O K D A D!
Akitoshi
2,687 posts
Joined August 2014
Akitoshi

Rizia wrote:

rip osu

worst idea ever
I can't agree on the 1diff per Icon :(
Mafumafu
Nomination Assessment Team
3,396 posts
Joined August 2013
Mafumafu

Come[Back]Home wrote:

mintong89 wrote:

This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.
Light Insanes and Hard+ are not allowed due to the new rule
Koiyuki
Beatmap Nominator
2,572 posts
Joined March 2013
Koiyuki
ye the rc has already changed, very wonderful idea staffs, and i hope the game would be much better and better in the future!
antondan
13 posts
Joined June 2014
antondan
  1. First rule seems stupid. However, since I still am not sure if I've understood correctly I wont comment more about it. (Are these gaps star rating?)

  2. The second rule is ridiculous, please reconsider. Doing that not only will annoy most(all) players but it will also greatly hurt mapping. We're going to end up having our favorite song with a diff we dislike as an Insane/Extra diff (I do have many mapsets with multiple maps on Insane/Extra but I usually like only one or two of those difficulties). Also players that can play light insanes wont be able to find maps nearly that easily. (Since many light insanes are accompanied by higher star insanes -which are very popular-).
    Applying this rule will only increase the amount of mapsets!!! Can you imagine how annoying it will be having to search through 50 maps of the same song just to find the one you like? Because if someone can't make a second guest insane diff on a mapset he'll just do it on another mapset. The result will be tens of mapsets ready for approval.

  3. I'm fine with the 3rd rule.
I really wish this is just a prank....
UwU Gaming
6 posts
Joined October 2015
UwU Gaming
This is absolute nonsense who came up with this
Rumia-
2,540 posts
Joined July 2012
Rumia-
i need hook up for valentino
Zeraph
266 posts
Joined September 2012
Zeraph
this change is so genius you've created possibly the largest shitstorm over a change and have absolutely no one from your special little group to come up with a remark to please your distressed community. great fuckin work mateys. really outdone yourselves this time.
Zerss
730 posts
Joined December 2013
Zerss
Okay then, I'm out of the beatmapping community.
Goodbye.
FOREVER
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i hate pp
77 posts
Joined March 2014
i hate pp
Was this even brought up with anybody higher up in the community?

Even the QAT's and BN's heck the GLM don't like this change.
Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette
15 pages of people disagreeing and they still haven't changed...
Flower
1,738 posts
Joined August 2011
Flower
I recon this as a good idea. Obviously ranking routine will be greatly simplified because nominator team never need to judge the gap between Extra to OMFGITSSKYSTAR when they are in doubt or incapable to play the difficulty. Plus mappers will have to decide which difficulty to keep, a better GD or a just-so own made diff. This will greatly increase the overall quality of qualified maps. If players want to play other mappers' difficulties, they could choose to play unrank maps, like what currently Taiko mode players do.

In other aspect, people must stay clear that it is unfair to stick their difficulties to anither mapset just because the songs name the same. It is their obligations to seek mods and ask for qualifications with their own efforts.

Everyone does know that it is unlikely to retract a newly addressed rule like slapping oneself. Thus, why shan't we enjoy it and push forward?
Ayako
212 posts
Joined December 2014
Ayako

antondan wrote:

  1. First rule seems stupid. However, since I still am not sure if I've understood correctly I wont comment more about it. (Are these gaps star rating?)

  2. The second rule is ridiculous, please reconsider. Doing that not only will annoy most(all) players but it will also greatly hurt mapping. We're going to end up having our favorite song with a diff we dislike as an Insane/Extra diff (I do have many mapsets with multiple maps on Insane/Extra but I usually like only one or two of those difficulties). Also players that can play light insanes wont be able to find maps nearly that easily. (Since many light insanes are accompanied by higher star insanes -which are very popular-).
    Applying this rule will only increase the amount of mapsets!!! Can you imagine how annoying it will be having to search through 50 maps of the same song just to find the one you like? Because if someone can't make a second guest insane diff on a mapset he'll just do it on another mapset. The result will be tens of mapsets ready for approval.

  3. I'm fine with the 3rd rule.
I really wish this is just a prank....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wldE_4xjVQ
GenDoNL
149 posts
Joined February 2015
GenDoNL
Why did you do this?
In no way does this help the ranking system.

Beginners have enough maps to play, since every mapset already has easy's.
Why would they need 5min+ maps too?

We need more 6* maps, not more 3* maps.
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Anze
305 posts
Joined April 2012
Anze
Good
Let's make Unforgiving's Insane diff
Aerolustly
35 posts
Joined June 2012
Aerolustly


i completely disagree with this
bmax
23 posts
Joined June 2015
bmax
Secondly, we limited the amount of difficulties of the same level per game mode. Every mapset is limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode.
why this seems stupid and pointless
gregest
808 posts
Joined February 2014
gregest
I just realized something, if somebody makes a full spread for centipede, it can get ranked? cuz the gap doesn't matter between extra and ultra :^))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Makeli
932 posts
Joined October 2013
Makeli

Cheesecake wrote:

Democratic People's Republic of osu!
CelebGarfield
8 posts
Joined July 2012
CelebGarfield
As a player, my personal satisfaction comes from playing different diffs from a skillset,because even with the same star rating, two extras can have significant difference in play, which i feel should not dissappear from a set.

I see the spread lately between easy and ultra hard maps, but I feel like mapping easier songs has a lack of options to choose from, which is why we see more harder maps maybe?
As for my opinion, I want to appriciate every style of extra difficulties mapped by various talented mappers.
Volatar
7 posts
Joined October 2015
Volatar
Why would you REDUCE the amount of difficulties you can map? That is just going to make it harder for new players like myself to climb the difficulty ladder.

This change makes no sense.
koliron
791 posts
Joined July 2014
koliron

Rizia wrote:

rip osu

worst idea ever
Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette

CptBlackBird wrote:

I just realized something, if somebody makes a full spread for centipede, it can get ranked? cuz the gap doesn't matter between extra and ultra :^))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
This.
Trust
1,250 posts
Joined March 2012
Trust

ztrot wrote:

Hello everyone, ztrot here with some exciting new news!

From today on, there will be a new format in which mapping beatmap sets will work. This falls in line with our goals to make as many of the maps here at osu accessible to all players of many skill types! This new rule might seem scary at first but, fear not as we don't want to forget our professional osu! players either!
I'm hoping that these rules get rescinded, not even sure why they need to be introduced to begin with. This "goal" has already been accomplished and the professionals have been catered to more in the last year than ever before. Also, what do you mean our goals? Nobody outside of your little council wants this.
Professor Gila
644 posts
Joined December 2014
Professor Gila
woo wow wow what a fast response post

rip most GDs :c

should this thread moved to ranking criteria subforum so this can be discussed there?

don't forget to board some pants to leave a trace :v

don't take mah stale popcorn :v
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lilelf29
120 posts
Joined June 2013
lilelf29
Someone help me!!!
I can only facepalm at the staff so much!
Noffy
Nomination Assessment Team
1,721 posts
Joined April 2012
Noffy

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

15 pages of people disagreeing and they still haven't changed...
Averaging at nearly 1 post every 30 seconds it's incredible.
Anxient
1,573 posts
Joined June 2014
Anxient
Arphimigon
1,686 posts
Joined December 2014
Arphimigon
This REALLY damages mapsets which are over 10 minutes, like one I'm working on now, since making a new whole easier diff not only is extremely time consuming (considering mine is 16 mins) but the currently difficulty is all about working with the atmosphere of the original song, so it has easy and hard parts, so making an easier diff would make no sense.

I could say that for shorter approval maps having multiple diffs is more acceptable, but for way longer ones? No way.
Cellina
Beatmap Nominator
1,023 posts
Joined March 2013
Cellina
OK, this looks fine.
Bubbled.
Sylvette
332 posts
Joined July 2015
Sylvette

ztrot wrote:

Hello everyone, ztrot here with some retarded new bullshit!
Shirona
45 posts
Joined February 2015
Shirona
OSU! NEED MORE 12342142141231 STAR MAP!
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/150945
WE SHOULD RANK CENTIPEDE
Kuronora
9 posts
Joined June 2013
Kuronora
this is just plain stupid and why is someone that doesnt even map anymore taking decisions?
Jugment
38 posts
Joined December 2013
Jugment
cant wait for mazzerin's new 4* 270bpm marathon
Avishay
1,250 posts
Joined April 2013
Avishay
hilariosu
Surono
7,197 posts
Joined November 2013
Surono
enjoy ur life ppl, think wat u doing with life, or feet.
kisata
521 posts
Joined September 2012
kisata
To top it all off, this is pretty fucking hilarious:


I hope you enjoyed having your opinion heard, the many thousands of asian standard mappers out there! That's what the staff really thinks of you; they didn't even bother to invite you to their little discussion!

(edit: yes I know frosty maps, but they didn't even bother inviting a Chinese/Japanese/Taiwanese/Korean mapper; someone from one of the largest countries inside osu? Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous.)
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hehe
1,975 posts
Joined November 2012
hehe
Doesn't hurt to try something, but having further elaboration on the reasoning behind the mentioned changes would be really good to help us grasp the situation and the council's ideals.
Rumia-
2,540 posts
Joined July 2012
Rumia-
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
Nozhomi
Global Moderator
4,579 posts
Joined May 2013
Nozhomi
i think the funiest part of this is when a BN tell you to map a new Insane to fill the gap between a GD Insane and your Hard, and after see this stupid rule coming from nowhere and is contradictory with everything peoples agrees on it.

JUST CHANGE IT ! DO IT ! YES YOU CAN !
Just listen to all the people who already complain here, and all other who will stop mapping just because of this rule who destroy everything.

Rumia- wrote:

you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
Same tbh
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