Fatfan Kolek wrote:

wouldn't it be hilarious if the annoying dog would be hanging left and right on this scene?
00:34:749 - 00:35:427 -
00:45:597 - 00:46:275 -

http://puu.sh/mXwIV/45b3e177fc.gif

Anyways, really awesome stuff you did there!!

Hahaha that'd be pretty funny, especially if it was only in the second one
It wouldn't fit tone-wise since the intro is serious but it'd be a fun gag for an alternate version

That drumstep...I like it.

The hitsounds are ever so slightly out of tune. Just a sliver of a pitch higher than the actual music, I think. I don't have perfect pitch or anything so I can't be sure. It might just be the actual notes. Might even be the organ, and not the hitsounds. Do you know what notes the music/hitsounding chords are?

It does add an unsettling, eerie sort of feeling though, like sour church bells, so either way it's not so bad.

Forlornly wrote:

The hitsounds are ever so slightly out of tune. Just a sliver of a pitch higher than the actual music, I think. I don't have perfect pitch or anything so I can't be sure. It might just be the actual notes. Might even be the organ, and not the hitsounds. Do you know what notes the music/hitsounding chords are?

It does add an unsettling, eerie sort of feeling though, like sour church bells, so either way it's not so bad.

Yeah I'll go ahead and dump that information for you.

The original track the song is based off is in uh, C# minor I believe.
This remix appears to be D minor, so it's quite literally just shifted up.
It could be that the remix is actually C# minor and I'm deaf, but it's hard to say.

The chords I used were uhh
1. F5 D5 A4 D4 - i chord almost surely
2. A5 E5 A4 C4 - V chord, seems okay
3. G5 D5 G4 Bb3 - iv chord, might be something else due to the flat being used, not good at minor keys lol
4. C6 E5 G4 C4 - VII chord? Or maybe it sounds like a V7? This one was always a mystery to me I couldn't figure out what its deal was in the original
5. G5 E5 C5 E4 - Same as before, just inverted
6. A5 F5 A4 D4 - i chord probably
7. A5 E5 C5 A3 - V , seems like it works
8. A5 E5 A4 C4 - V, same as 2
9. D6 F5 Bb4 Bb3 - VI chord, this one has to be VI, but the parallel octave makes it sound a bit wonky maybe? Double flats might be risky? IDK how that works
10. E6 E5 C5 A3 - V again (I think these are somewhat safe to use)
11. C6 E5 G4 C4 - VII ?? What is this?? This and 4 (same chord) and 5 are a mystery to me quite frankly. It's something?
12. D6 F5 A4 D4 - i chord (start with i, end with i, nobody gets hurt)

this better get ranked holy fuck that storyboard is so fucking good AND THE SONG AAAAAAAA THE SONG

Another random thought

03:34:410 - 03:36:444 - You could make this a reversed version of the part before with kicksliders to emphasize the holding sounds

like this maybe? http://puu.sh/mXYcr/f959d37794.jpg

It would make more sense structurewise, but it's up to you!

I might make a whole mod when i feel motivated, good luck on it so far!

the chords sound fine to me
can you somehow shift all the notes down like a microtone or something, somewhere closer to d than c#, because to me it sounds like the hitsounds are higher pitched than the music

Forlornly wrote:

the chords sound fine to me
can you somehow shift all the notes down like a microtone or something, somewhere closer to d than c#, because to me it sounds like the hitsounds are higher pitched than the music

Ohh that could be it, I tried a full semitone and it sounded bad.

Here's uh, -0.5 (half semitone) http://puu.sh/mY5Wo/1c742e04cc.rar Just replace the files in the folder
Here's one that isn't as lowered (-0.35) http://puu.sh/mY6Du/c02c8dbea6.rar

-0.75 sounds too low, Hard to tell the difference between -0.5 and -0.35, will try -0.2

-0.35 sounded a little better to me
tell me how -0.2 goes o:

-0.2 is alright, thinking -0.27 might be better though

-0.20 http://puu.sh/mY75q/affb07d9da.rar
-0.27 http://puu.sh/mY7C6/20c41fbb10.rar

Okay so the chord issues in the intro should be resolved now, so map's back in pending.

Beautiful.

Wowiminthemapdescription.

Rank plz.

Mods welcomed
(bubbles work too)

Charles445 wrote:

Mods welcomed

okay, just trying to mod the perfection

epilepsy warning maybe, 'game over' part is a bit too flashy
00:27:305 - every piano on 2/1 from 00:21:871 - to 00:26:015 - is hitobjects and not here?
00:50:512 (2,3) - ctrl+g I guess, when you put 3/4 slider + circle in this part you made distance following the emphasis of the song. But the distance here is narrower than 00:42:037 (1,2) - while the melody after 3/4 slider is higher-pitched here.
02:07:292 (8,9) - definitely has a hi-hat on blue ticks. how about like this? imo gives good expression of the music too
03:26:275 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I love you.

bbj0920 wrote:

Charles445 wrote:

Mods welcomed

epilepsy warning maybe, 'game over' part is a bit too flashy Letters at that part are picking a fade between 0.15 and 0.55, shouldn't be bright enough to cause problems
00:27:305 - every piano on 2/1 from 00:21:871 - to 00:26:015 - is hitobjects and not here? Yeah this part was a little difficult to plan, an object on the piano would work but the spinner would have to start shortly after. No matter where the spinner started it wouldn't fit with the fade-in to white. So instead I opted to leave out the object and just have the spinner take the entire segment to fit the fade-in sound. 05:10:682 - was almost a spinner because of it, lol
00:50:512 (2,3) - ctrl+g I guess, when you put 3/4 slider + circle in this part you made distance following the emphasis of the song. But the distance here is narrower than 00:42:037 (1,2) - while the melody after 3/4 slider is higher-pitched here. I'm relying 100% on the angle change to work, 1 to 2 is pretty weak regardless though, but I think 2,3 4,5 and 6,7 being strong will make up for it. Good catch by the way, that's what's going on here. The most direct parallel is 00:39:326 (1,2) - where the 2 is a significant distance away from the 1. I kinda ran out of room later LMAO
02:07:292 (8,9) - definitely has a hi-hat on blue ticks. how about like this? imo gives good expression of the music too Yeah that hihat is at all four points in the map, 01:45:597 - and then the ones in the later kiai. It's skipped to make sure those strong drum beats aren't swamped by a weaker slider. (8) in these situations could absolutely be a 1/4 slider though, since it's still dominantly focusing on the hi-hat, but I felt the movement was too weird doing that, lol. The weird movement being uh, a 1/2 pause into a 1/4 slider stream jump. I think the only times those happen are during these gimmicky parts 01:47:292 (1,2,1,2,1) - (oh and 02:43:732 (7,8,1) - I forgot about that one)
03:26:275 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I love you. NOW That's what I call E D G Y <3

yay mods

Oh I should give an example of something actually.
Most of that mod response is like, purposeful undermapping.

There is one segment of the map that underwent four beat placement revisions, which is 04:15:088 - , so I should explain a bit of it.
The problems I had with this part is, if the entire drumbeat is mapped it'll turn into the same thing for the entire segment, so some very specific undermapping happens.
The first major undermap is the slider at 04:21:189 (1) - for the melody / transition.
Then later on, 04:25:088 - these pauses are done to give more weight to the melody, only showing up mapped in rare moments like 04:31:189 (8) - .
Some sliders are also extended from 1/2 to 3/4 to fit the melody more, skipping the hihat on the 1/2

Just a really quick thought

1. You started mapping 04:21:189 (1) - by following the melody, I wasn't expecting having 04:22:037 (2) - at all or at least, using a new combo on it? If you remove the circle, I guess you should remove the NC here 04:22:206 (1) - and put it on 04:22:545 (1) -

Nothing more to say on the rhythm for me otherwise, it's pretty solid. I'm not that good for checking positioning and flow in general but it was really enjoyable to play so I think we're reaching the final state of the map soon =3

shARPII wrote:

Just a really quick thought

1. You started mapping 04:21:189 (1) - by following the melody, I wasn't expecting having 04:22:037 (2) - at all or at least, using a new combo on it? If you remove the circle, I guess you should remove the NC here 04:22:206 (1) - and put it on 04:22:545 (1) - )

Nothing more to say on the rhythm for me otherwise, it's pretty solid. I'm not that good for checking positioning and flow in general but it was really enjoyable to play so I think we're reaching the final state of the map soon =3

aaaaa it didn't work

ok here's what happened
04:21:189 - This part needed melody stuff so I reworked it a few times.
Sliders that start on 04:21:189 - and 04:21:528 - and 04:21:867 - would work, but the slider-ends would take too much away from the starts
Circles that start on those points would work, but the 1/1 pauses would be too out of place and be less dense than the previous bit.
So the 1/1 repeat seems to work well enough, although it makes the repeat and sliderend parts of the melody weaker.

So the problem is directly after it!
A raw 1/1 pause would work, like 04:13:393 (1,1,2,3) - , but might be too similar to the part w/o the backing drums (too empty)
A circle at 04:22:037 (2) - would work, but has the risk of being too powerful in comparison to the repeat and the sliderend (a hihat overpowering the melody really sucks). Problem is, that circle would make everything work out real nice, and makes 04:22:206 (1) - even stronger than before (jump).

So what I ended up doing was an attempt to make (2) as weak as possible, so it has no spacing (drop-off from the 1)., no loud hitsound, no nothing, it's a circle you can be asleep and hit perfectly.
I don't think I succeeded with it though, you wouldn't have pointed it out if I did, LOL


So it's not great but I don't have any other ideas for it

sounds definitely better now

just a little mod though since a couple of things were bugging me:

1. 00:37:800 (6,1) - the dropoff flow feels really weird here:
   
   SPOILER

   
   The orange slashed arrow shows where i want to leave (6), but i have to do this awkward angle with the yellow path to not slider break, here's what i'd do:
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 00:48:648 (6,1) - ^

yeah i guess that's all lol, i don't know if it'll help but those things definitely felt weird for me while playing

very nice map otherwise, especially those parts 01:48:987 - to 01:58:139 - like this have a very nice flow to them

The intended movement on that is to actually not drop off but to follow the 6 a bit longer, making the movement to the next slider moving down and to the left, not straight down.
It works most of the time I think?.. Most of the people I've seen play it hang onto the slider for a pretty long time.

Here's what I mean (literally took this from azer's vid lol) http://puu.sh/n5RJb/82d9186926.jpg
You can see the yellow bits where the cursor was.

Here's a (crap) picture from Nyquill's stream vod, http://puu.sh/n5S0S/fecd4ef288.jpg he didn't go as far to the right but still held on to the slider for an extended period of time.

And finally Doomsday's vod http://puu.sh/n5S3S/9a48d4edb4.jpg


So that's the intention but I guess it won't work for everybody. The solution would be to move the two sliders apart visually but I don't want to risk slider breaks.

Since when you become an elite storyboarder

I was curious about 01:56:783 (1) - since there's a bass sound at 01:56:953 - and it had to be emphasized by a circle but that must be me I guess..
Same about 02:18:478 (1) -
Also you skipped an important kick at 06:38:139 - and 06:39:495 - and 06:40:851 - etc.. , I'd strongly recommand you to fix that!


Other than that , you did a really good job! Gl for rankin' that!

Secretpipe wrote:

I was curious about 01:56:783 (1) - since there's a bass sound at 01:56:953 - and it had to be emphasized by a circle but that must be me I guess..
Same about 02:18:478 (1) -
Also you skipped an important kick at 06:38:139 - and 06:39:495 - and 06:40:851 - etc.. , I'd strongly recommand you to fix that!


Other than that , you did a really good job! Gl for rankin' that!

Thanks

I think the melody is overpowering stuff at 01:56:783 (1) - , also I'm skipping over stuff for the gimmick (like 01:53:393 - )

06:38:139 - People ask about this a lot so here's my uh, overly long explanation because I write those for some reason.
The original track this is based off of is transitioning into the very end moment of the song at that point The bass in the original is incredibly important for that; it basically carries that entire segment. The remix moves the kick to the middle of the long bass notes, but mapping that kick would lose that really important bass.

A goal of mine with this set was to not only map to the remix, but also to match the original songs thematically.
Here's some examples so I don't sound completely insane.

00:00:000 - First song, basically serves as a lead-in to the main song. Needs to be calm but a little unsettling to match the song's implications.
00:30:004 - This isn't part of the original song, so I took a guess as to what it references. I got BD's help for this part.
04:06:952 - I think I posted about this before, but the fact that this song is part of this remix is super awesome (and super messed up damn)
So making sure the unique parts of this were mapped was really important.
05:56:783 - Song change, sorta! The way the first part of this is mapped/hitsounded might remind you of another ranked set.

Charles445 wrote:

Mods welcomed

1pc test play (change to AR10
00:34:749 (5) - im wonder why dont make a slow-speed slider that end at 00:35:258 - or 00:35:342 - , i think a slow-speed slider fit perfect with the music LOL. and 00:45:597 (5) - the same
01:24:749 (2) - the reverse slider doesnt fit here, you can try this, i think it's better here
01:36:444 (1) - maybe the slider end 01:36:953 - here?
01:37:122 (1) - end 01:37:631 - here?
04:35:766 (4) - NC here instead of 04:36:444 (1) - ?

awesome storyboard and awesome map XD
i like it a lot <3
btw if you got time can you also check out my map, i want to rank my map before the new ranking system, and now im finding for BN or QAT OWO
thanks in advance

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

1pc test play (change to AR10 nice
00:34:749 (5) - im wonder why dont make a slow-speed slider that end at 00:35:258 - or 00:35:342 - , i think a slow-speed slider fit perfect with the music LOL. and 00:45:597 (5) - the same That would work,, but I want the pause there to be as abrupt as possible to fit how undertale handles its name drops.
01:24:749 (2) - the reverse slider doesnt fit here, you can try this, i think it's better here There's no kick where there would normally be one, so it's stuffed into a slider-end this time around. It also prevents 1/1 distance to circles in this slow part (easier to acc).
01:36:444 (1) - maybe the slider end 01:36:953 - here? The sound is echoing on 1/1 here, so it's where the slider end goes, much like the part before it. For example, 01:32:885 (3) - is an echo for the sliderend.
01:37:122 (1) - end 01:37:631 - here? Same echo
04:35:766 (4) - NC here instead of 04:36:444 (1) - ? That would be a visual improvement, but I'm keeping combos consistent here for hp drain / readability reasons.

awesome storyboard and awesome map XD
i like it a lot <3
btw if you got time can you also check out my map, i want to rank my map before the new ranking system, and now im finding for BN or QAT OWO
thanks in advance There's no way the listed system change is actually going to happen, I wouldn't worry about it.

Thanks for the mod
I've been a bit busy lately so I haven't been able to look at people's maps, but I'll keep it in mind when I'm not busy!

Charlestale

It need to rank!

♥

I can't hear most of the hitsounds even if i set music volume to 60% and leave hitsounds where they are.
The beginning and some other places feels weird to me due to audio feedback being really really similar to the actual audio
this is a placeholder

Just some minor thoughts from testplaying, couldn't find anything else

1. 05:53:563 (4,5) - This spacing seemed awkwardly small considering the speed of the movement from 05:53:224 (3,4)
2. 07:06:614 (4,5,6) - The lack of direction change in this wide angle felt random, especially after the sharp movements from 07:05:766 (1,2,3,4)
3. 03:30:342 - I misread this since the circles abruptly disappeared after holding the majority of my focus over many repeats
   
   this is the only alternative I can think of that doesn't completely screw up the pattern

   03:30:681 (2,3,4)
   
4. 02:47:461 (4,5,6,7,8) - You've already told me the reasoning behind this stream shape, but if you can find a way to change it to a normal curve I recommend doing so. It's literally the only uneven stream shape in the midst of a structured dnb map afaerhjtehnkjakdlf

Well the map is pretty much perfect, just call me back whenever you want an icon

sukiNathan wrote:

Just some minor thoughts from testplaying, couldn't find anything else

1. 05:53:563 (4,5) - This spacing seemed awkwardly small considering the speed of the movement from 05:53:224 (3,4) Oh snap
2. 07:06:614 (4,5,6) - The lack of direction change in this wide angle felt random, especially after the sharp movements from 07:05:766 (1,2,3,4) I think this one is going to be alright.
3. 03:30:342 - I misread this since the circles abruptly disappeared after holding the majority of my focus over many repeats
   
   this is the only alternative I can think of that doesn't completely screw up the pattern

   03:30:681 (2,3,4)
   
   A lot of people do... but it's a gamble I have to take for this part to work well... lol
4. 02:47:461 (4,5,6,7,8) - You've already told me the reasoning behind this stream shape, but if you can find a way to change it to a normal curve I recommend doing so. It's literally the only uneven stream shape in the midst of a structured dnb map afaerhjtehnkjakdlf It's the good kind of inconsistent IMO... at least that's what I said when I refused to change the slider in dragons, lololol

Well the map is pretty much perfect, just call me back whenever you want an icon

Someone is uh, talking about the piano sounds atm so hold off on that LOLMessing with the spinner right now, apparently it looks bad in newer versions of the game but fine in fallback...

Okay it should be good now!!

Okoratu wrote:

I can't hear most of the hitsounds even if i set music volume to 60% and leave hitsounds where they are.
The beginning and some other places feels weird to me due to audio feedback being really really similar to the actual audio
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is this like a thing^^^

uh the song is changing density so much so i assume it's intended but like tick2 would work better for most faster parts i assume lmao
03:30:342 - tbh this gimmick confused me the first 4 times i tried it, like i expected to somehow continue clicking where the circles went...
the only way i see this being adressed would be taking 03:30:681 (2,4,2,4) - and move them with a crtlg where the next circles would have been.
i have no idea if you want to do that, prolly not but i think it'd be more intuitive to comprehend on sightreads
03:38:138 (4,1) - slightly bothered of these touching but i guess otherwise this whole thing feels like shit
04:03:901 (1,2) - don't really get why these have to be that long holds like if im not mistaken everything else in the section is shorter by a lot so yeah idk
04:06:274 (2,4) - due to autostacking this might look a bit odd lol
04:18:478 (3,4,5,6,7) - i don't understand streamspacing on this, like every other thing is bigger why like the next 2 are .75x and after that it's like .7x mainly cuz too lazy to type a 5 manually each time so uhhh why .5x
did u run out of ideas of what to do or why do you show credits twice im confused
05:27:292 (1,3) - and some others have slightly fucked stacking but i guess that's ignorable
05:54:580 (3) - why like why suddenly put the instrument you followed the whole section long on the sliderend
06:37:461 (1,2) - if you follow melody only this should be 1/1 like the slider that follows, otherwise 3 shouldnt be 1/1 tbh (nvmthewholesectionsibuiltaroundthatfuck)
07:09:326 (5,8) - stacking ingame looks ultra weird

technically the dm and pocket and dokuro are like duplicating in tags but i suppose it is to keep them readable and understandable as a whole
since every reading of undertale is canon you could fuck the source up according to the weird caps in this song title but i guess this will just cause hate so better not lol
tag "and" if you keep a drum 'n' base tag
can tag Bergentrueckung since not many ppl have umlauts and Bergentruckung is just plain DUMB (as a german im triggered)

Okoratu wrote:

03:30:342 - tbh this gimmick confused me the first 4 times i tried it, like i expected to somehow continue clicking where the circles went...
the only way i see this being adressed would be taking 03:30:681 (2,4,2,4) - and move them with a crtlg where the next circles would have been.
i have no idea if you want to do that, prolly not but i think it'd be more intuitive to comprehend on sightreads Yeah like I said in the nathan response I'm taking this risk
03:38:138 (4,1) - slightly bothered of these touching but i guess otherwise this whole thing feels like shit Yep the overlap is to try and hint at it being a slider stream jump.
04:03:901 (1,2) - don't really get why these have to be that long holds like if im not mistaken everything else in the section is shorter by a lot so yeah idk Transition, instrument in the music is getting more intense... mostly for the transition.
04:06:274 (2,4) - due to autostacking this might look a bit odd lol Yeah, fortunately it worked out well, autostack is hit or miss and I think it works here
04:18:478 (3,4,5,6,7) - i don't understand streamspacing on this, like every other thing is bigger why like the next 2 are .75x and after that it's like .7x mainly cuz too lazy to type a 5 manually each time so uhhh why .5x Oh at this speed it really doesn't change much at all, sometimes I'd want travel distance to be less but to have the same overall feeling... so like subtle changes in distance can get you where you want without changing the feel.
did u run out of ideas of what to do or why do you show credits twice im confused Only a few people will understand what's happening at that point. Possibly no one... I would like people to figure it out, although it is only solvable to specific people...
05:27:292 (1,3) - and some others have slightly fucked stacking but i guess that's ignorable stacking is ok when automatic does an ok job and I think it does an oko job uhuhuhuhuhuhuhhuhuhuhuh
05:54:580 (3) - why like why suddenly put the instrument you followed the whole section long on the sliderend T R A N S I T I O N B O Y S
06:37:461 (1,2) - if you follow melody only this should be 1/1 like the slider that follows, otherwise 3 shouldnt be 1/1 tbh (nvmthewholesectionsibuiltaroundthatfuck) ye whole section since in the original song it's really important thematically and I'll be damned if I have to map that weird kick so I put a loud ass hitsound and made the storyboard do the bass like it needs to etc etc pretentiousness etc
07:09:326 (5,8) - stacking ingame looks ultra weird it's fine usually i want to stab automatic stacker but it's ok

technically the dm and pocket and dokuro are like duplicating in tags but i suppose it is to keep them readable and understandable as a whole
since every reading of undertale is canon you could fuck the source up according to the weird caps in this song title but i guess this will just cause hate so better not lol
tag "and" if you keep a drum 'n' base tag
can tag Bergentrueckung since not many ppl have umlauts and Bergentruckung is just plain DUMB (as a german im triggered) ok oko

Thanks for the mod, messed with the tags

osu! needs more annoying dogs!

I'm hyped already!

idk why you weren't sure that i'd bubble or not most of the stuff i said is minor / dismissable

ok oko
#2

Yes!
We need final nominator who is flame this map.

I would really like people to have the best experience possible when playing this set.

That's why the intro is mapped the way it is: to allow for the storyboard to play properly, the custom piano chord hitsounds to play, and most importantly, to have the player interact minimally with those few objects in-game. This all combines to create a calm feeling, much like the song... it is important buildup for the sudden title-drop.

If sliders were to functionally change, the intro would no longer work as intended... in fact it would become one of the hardest parts of the map... the complete opposite of its intention.


So with that said, if this map is not ranked, and ScoreV2 is in effect....
I will send it to graveyard, as it will be permanently broken.

If this map is ranked, but ScoreV2 is added to it later...
I strongly urge no-one to play it from that point on. Broken beatmaps play like shit.

well then lets enjoy this while we can

Cool SB Awesome map WOW

So awesome it makes me cry

jonathanlfj wrote:

well then lets enjoy this while we can

LFJ HYPE