MillhioreF wrote:

Hey Kroytz! Very cool map, just a couple things I'd like to see taken care of before this moves into the leaderboards.

[Final Moment]
As -GN mentioned, the alternating between piano and normal hitsounds is a bit jarring to keep rhythm on in almost all skins. It may be better if you turned the piano sounds into additions rather than replacing hitnormal, but at the same time I didn't find it -too- difficult to play, so I'd like more discussion about this.

MillhioreF wrote:

Hey Kroytz! Very cool map, just a couple things I'd like to see taken care of before this moves into the leaderboards.

[Final Moment]
As -GN mentioned, the alternating between piano and normal hitsounds is a bit jarring to keep rhythm on in almost all skins. It may be better if you turned the piano sounds into additions rather than replacing hitnormal, but at the same time I didn't find it -too- difficult to play, so I'd like more discussion about this. I can either destroy my keysounds by adding in a soft-hitnormal/feedback underneath each one of them ruining the beauty this song has to offer, or destroy the raw hitsounding by applying these to additionals. A third option would be to replace all these sound files with a different keyboard set (ie a harpsichord) but then it wouldn't sound proper to the music. There should be a 3rd option alongside Sampleset and Additions to layer hitsounds so problems like this regarding feedback wouldn't occur. It'd also promote creative hitsounding while not faulting the player but currently this doesn't exist and the only way to do so is to apply to additions or hitnormal, both which suck for my map. I'll keep them as is and to players who want a good score on this map, turn off custom hitsounds.

00:24:367 (3) - This note is overmapped. Please change (2) and (4) into a slider, since there's no sound in the music where this note is at all. Removed (3), changed (2,4) into slider, deleted unused timing section.
00:29:092 (4) - This slider is obnoxiously loud because of all the drum sounds, lower the volume on it or change the sounding maybe? I don't think it should pose a problem when it follows the music, but I'll agree in the sense that the 'loudness' comes from the unexpected DRrRrrRRs off the repeats. I removed all but the first Finish on the red tick so it isn't so' jarring' as you would put it.
00:54:142 (2) - Having this slider end in the opposite direction of the next stream is kinda weird, I'd suggest Ctrl+G here. Good suggestion, fixed.
01:13:792 (5) - Should be a finish on the head of this slider to match the other drum sounds in this section. Good catch, fixed.
01:22:567 (4,1) - I really don't like this sudden spacing increase right here, I think it would be better with the same spacing as the rest of the miniature streamjumps in this pattern (maybe a tiny bit more, but not with this big of a gap) Toned down the jump a bit. Should be easier to hit while maintaining emphasis.
01:52:342 (2) - Also overmapped. I'm okay with putting silenced sliderends on nothing, since those play well enough and are part of the meta now, but putting down a circle just to fill the gap between sliders isn't cool. Removed the note, removed unused timing section.
02:00:142 (1,2,3,4,5) - Taking a close listen at this part (on 50% and 25% speed) it seems like these should all be placed 1/16 earlier. That's pretty weird (and may or may not require an additional timing section) so I'd like other opinions on this section. It may be better to turn it into a repeat slider or something. It's actually snapped 1/6 prior to where I started my 1/4's but the sliders are in 1/3 while being 1/6 apart from each other. It should start 02:00:092 -. I basically moved my sliders across on the timeline 1/6 backwards, and resnapped the 1/4's to 1/3's. Talk to me about how this plays out and whether a different rhythm should be used or if this should be taken out altogether. Idk why xi made this different than 03:36:292 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - but I personally feel as if it should remain 1/4's for playability's sake. Though, this alternative isn't bad I suppose either.
02:22:942 (2) - I don't really like the sharp jump from (1) to (2) or the way the flow is kind of awkward from going (2) to (3), so I'd recommend repositioning this slider to be more friendly. I don't like how your suggestion goes against my idea of placing both repeat sliders inside the stream loops, but the flow I'll agree isn't the greatest, so I made (2) a better friend to (1) and (3).
02:58:042 (9,10,11) -, 02:58:567 (16,1,2) - Putting both of these sharp curves in a row causes my hand to cramp awkwardly every time I play it. That's not a problem on its own if it's the sort of difficulty you're going for, but the rest of the map plays so smoothly that I thought it was worth mentioning in case it wasn't intended. I'll leave this alone for now.
03:15:442 (1,2) - Is there a reason the spacing between these two notes is slightly lower? Looks like a mistake. Fixed.
03:22:342 (13,14,15,16,1) - I really don't like how heavy the spacing gets here, the speeding up stream is cool but the end is just a little too mean for my tastes. I'd at LEAST like for you to lower the spacing of the final leap to the slider (the distance between (14) and (15) is plenty enough for it imo), but it would be nice to have more skilled players weigh in on this. This build-up into slider stream is a toned down version of the 2nd chorus in regards to spacing. Also factor slider leniency which helps the player reach the slider. I don't space this because I hate the player, I do it because I follow the music ^^.
03:31:042 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't really like the hitsounding on this star, the alternation between normal hitsounds and the custom (generally quieter) piano sound is a bit jarring since the song's piano is pretty static. I see your point, made them all into whistles.
04:39:217 (14,15,16,1) - This whole stream is kinda lol, I can't really play it but it feels ok for the most part. The spacing increase does feel better than the first one though since it's already wide and doesn't get much wider, but I'd still like to see the last couple of notes (or at least the jump to the slider) nerfed slightly. Surprisingly this plays well (lol) but I'll have to go back to what I said with the former jump in the sense that slider leniency helps the player. And because the 2nd chorus is much more intense than the first, of course the spacing will be that much larger (but really, compared to the first chorus, it isn't all that bigger, but the intensity is more evident here).
04:47:842 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same hitsounding issue as last time. Turned these all into whistles as well.

To tell the truth, I wasn't a big fan of this map when I started modding it, but the way you manage to make the streams and even some of the sliders follow the music is absolutely excellent.
Call me back for a bubble after you've cleared up and discussed the points made here!

Key

1. Green means my opinion or aesthetic
2. Purple means semi important
3. Red means very important

General

1. 03:59:917 (1) - Maybe change the preview point to here. Another good spot to put it could be here 02:04:717 (1) -

Final Moment

1. 03:22:642 (1) - Sliders at the end of this are somewhat hard to read sometimes, and it would be stupid if someone were to FC through the streams and lose it due to these. Maybe you could slow down the slider velocity and make slider art that doesn't overlap itself.
   
   
2. 04:39:442 (1) - There is a chance that the player could be jumpy due to the recent extremely difficult spaced streams. I would suggest lowering the SV and recreating another slider art that doesn't overlap itself.
   
   
   
3. 02:00:092 (1,2,3,4,5) Maybe change this pattern to this because it's how most people would be used to playing star patterns "isn't that how like any preschool kid is taught to draw a star anyway?" -Side
   
   
   
4. 02:59:692 (15) - Random slider in this particular stream pattern, maybe change to another sharp turn. (I know you use this in other patterns but it was the only one I saw for this stream)

1. 02:00:092 (1,2,3,4,5) - Sounds very weird to me. In my opinion shorten them by one 1/12 tick fits better, I think.

"fuck you Kroytz" - Cookiezi 2015

Desperate-kun wrote:

I am not able to play this map at all, but I have to say I have never seen such beautiful looking longstreams before (not sure if Blue Zenith is the same level) and your sliderart and overall atmosphere are beautiful too! The only thing that bothers me a bit is the section at the beginning (not counting the slow intro) before the long streams start. The rhythm and 1/4-jumps seem a bit too messy (and too generic) there compared to the rest of the map, imo it would have been much more professional to simplify it for the sake of the whole map having simplistic rhythm and patterns. Oh well, that's complaining at a highest level here, good luck with this great map!

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Guys, you know, that's just convert slider to stream tool ;w;
A TOOL CAN'T MAKE MORE BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAN THINGS MADE BY HAND

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Guys, you know, that's just convert slider to stream tool ;w;
A TOOL CAN'T MAKE MORE BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAN THINGS MADE BY HAND

Asphyxia wrote:

Disqualified on mappers' request, there will be a storyboard.

arviejhay wrote:

i will throw all my stars if there's a storyboard, wait. . who's going to be the storyboarder?

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

best of the best <3 10/10
it will have storyboard? 100/10

Rilene wrote:

Storyboard when?
Ranked when?

domSaur wrote:

Rilene wrote:

Storyboard when?
Ranked when?

Exile- wrote:

How is the storyboard going?

Kroytz wrote:

He*

And you actually do not know the state of the storyboard "for a fact".

Xinely wrote:

We fixed a snap and a hitsound last night. Placeholder. I will check when im off from class

edit : continue my mod

- 00:25:567 (4) - i think you can add drum finish on head, its empty w/o hitsound
- 00:30:367 (4) - and others like 00:35:167 (4) - same as above if you agree The way I hitsounded this part was a little difficult since I applied a particular hitsound to each individual instrument. The drum-finishes were applied to strong sounding dominant beats like the tail of 00:25:342 (3) - or even this circle 00:25:792 (5) -. The noise pointed out is kind of a weaker sound that I'd probably use a drum-whistle or soft-whistle if anything. But personally I feel as if it might be "over-hitsounded" by trying to sound each part, with the weak instruments included I mean. This is some goreshit level drumming going on tbh.
- 00:29:092 (4) - 1/8 shoud stop till 00:29:242 - and 00:29:317 - map with a circle i guess. i cant hear drum for 00:29:242 - - 00:29:392 - of 1/8 ticks I simplified the rhythm a bit using 1/4s throughout because ending a 1/8 slider on white tick and starting movement on a blue tick circle over a red tick slider (in 1/4 beats) is REALLY awkward to transition to.
- 00:33:442 (1) - should add whistle or your keysound to emphasis the piano I added the whistle there and also to 00:34:342 (5) - because pianos.
- 00:42:067 - would be nicer if add a note here to keep follow drum then it wouldn't look so nice as to end it how i wanted to end it ^^;
- 00:48:892 (12) - just my taste, maybe move to 372,300 for keep flow on 00:48:442 (9,10) - ? Literally pixels but okay, I moved it there : p
- 00:59:842 (1,2) - just curious why stack this and dont make like 01:00:142 (4,5) - instead? The intention here was to have a minor aesthetic buildup into 01:00:742 (10,11,12,13,1) - since the pianos do repeat themselves after-all.
- 01:32:392 (2) - somehow hard to hear the music, maybe remove it? The piano is there despite it being soft and I wanted to capture as many keys in what I think is the most calming/lovely part of the song ^^;
- 02:38:542 (1,1,1) - btw why nc them when spacing isnt changed? The NCs here are to emphasize the arpeggios of the pianos (1,2,3,4 -> 2,3,4,5 -> 3,4,5,6 -> 4,5,6,7) and I change the angles for a bit of aesthetics and visibility. It'd be a little awkward to have them all on the same combo when the piano goes down the arpeggio in this manner.
- 03:58:342 (6) - same as last night, i think the drums are in 1/8 I turned them into 1/8
- 04:39:442 (1) - <3 <33333

call me back after

Xexxar wrote:

ar10 = vomit

no idea why this was chosen...

lower ar's would play much better... as is you have no vision of whats coming so you cant prepare your fingers at all, puts an unneeded amount of focus in reading effort and reaction speed rather than the streaming part. huge disappointment for me cause now I basically have to memorize this to be able to play it well.

Xexxar wrote:

ar10 = vomit

no idea why this was chosen...

lower ar's would play much better... as is you have no vision of whats coming so you cant prepare your fingers at all, puts an unneeded amount of focus in reading effort and reaction speed rather than the streaming part. huge disappointment for me cause now I basically have to memorize this to be able to play it well.

TheArchist wrote:

Are you... serious right now?

This is a song with 200 bpm spaced streams, which get very extremely to read on lower ARs. There are plenty of cases where songs should be at lower ARs when they should, but this is not one of them.

TheArchist wrote:

get very extremely to read

Shiguma wrote:

TheArchist wrote:

get very extremely to read

Extremely what?!?!?

mithew wrote:

just a couple things i noticed while playing

02:33:892 (7,8,9,10,11,12) - random spacing change, would probably be more fitting starting at 02:33:742 (5) - or 02:34:042 (9) - this might be a pretty fair point
03:10:642 (1,2,3,4,5) - looks pretty bad.. subjective. wanted a circular round stream that connects and this is as best as it gets.
04:02:467 (4,5,6) - flow change feels weird here since the last combo doesn't do this (i guess its trying to emphasize on the clap but still doesn't fit imo) its more of a design thing.
04:39:442 (1) - i definitely liked the old slider way more than this one. the random sharp turns feel so weird to follow since there's nothing in the song that calls for them (at least turn with the slider ticks) tbh, I didn't really like my old slider since it's didn't accentuate the keysound nor have any visible attraction (to me at least) either. The double loops were mediocre (and I saw a lot of breaks on them too) and it looked a little too squiggly for me. I wish puush wouldve saved my other artistic sliders cuz I had about 3 of em to choose from, but personally I like the wing since it fits with the "ascending to heaven" theme and the whole ethereal-ness or whatnot.

ya best map though

edit: i also agree with xexxar on the AR issue. ar10 feels like... way too much, not like its hard to read on lower AR anyways so nothing really calls for it. I'll disagree with the AR since a lot of players have pointed to me that higher AR would fit the map best as to reduce clutter on the screen. Not to mention that this is a 7.41* map and should be taken with caution. 9.8 might be as low as it can get but AR10 fits the theme of it more as well. This is the gateway to heaven, the final moment, do or die, etc.

1. 00:55:867 (6) - For the most part you use an additional sample with the piano so there is more impact on it, but here you didn't do so, making this note essentially inaudible and have no actual feedback. This issue reoccurs VERY often in the map but I won't point all instances.
2. 01:21:442 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - This is a bit odd to play, the jumps don't feel so natural since the flow is linear, making the way you aim your mouse/pen really strange considering the flow is the same but you need to keep changing speed constantly while streaming, Also, nothing in the song justifies these jumps, I'd suggest you to just make a constant stream here. Also, the interaction between these 01:22:642 (1) - Feels a bit wrong considering the fact that you need to suddenly move REALLY slowly even though the flow doesn't break or anything like that, making it very likely that a person will play as if the slider is much faster.
3. 02:52:492 (15) - This slider leads the player towards the wrong direction, whether you use it as a circular motion based thing 02:51:292 (15) - or just linear flow, it doesn't work at both ways, i'd suggest you make this slider point towards the next stream. This issue reoccurs often in the map but I won't point all instances.
4. 02:54:142 (5) - I can't find any reason to break the flow here, this is a consistent sound and it only breaks at 02:54:442 (9) - if anything.
5. 03:08:317 (2) - 03:14:992 (11) - More instances of unjustified flow breaks.
6. 03:21:442 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - Let alone the hitsounding issues I have pointed previously which makes this a bit awkward as for feedback, I'm not sure a stream such as this will fit here. First thing, it's followed by a very slow slider, making it a bit awkward to control when it comes to your movement. Second thing, at this intensity and bpm, a stream that spaces so hard could be a bit of an overkill. I'd recommend you to make a slider pattern, maybe such as this one: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5309879
7. 04:02:542 (5) - As pointed on the post above me, this isn't comfortable to play.
8. 04:09:442 (1,2) - This turn doesn't make sense to me, Why'd you put it on the blue tick anyways?
9. 04:38:242 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - Yet again, I'm not sure if SUCH intense pattern would work and play well, I'd suggest a slider pattern here too.
10. 04:58:624 (11,12,13,14,1) - Controversial, but I guess it makes sense.
11. 05:00:730 - A spinner (Which is an intense and rapid motion) doesn't fit a really soothing fadeout, Maybe instead put a slow slider (As I can see you don't have a problem with these) that ends at 05:04:315 - ?