And you just lost an argument there. Learn about the topic you want to discuss before sputing nonsense.DanSparce wrote:
idk how to map any other key number other than 4k really
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Why is There No 7K Being Ranked?
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Yeah, but look at all of those 7k PP farm maps tho *drools*DanSparce wrote:
but the thing is people want to see more HARDER ranked maps, most easy maps are just ignored by most people. Players today just care about pp and how to get pp? HARDER MAPS. But 4k is like easier to learn than 7k so thats why people want 4k.
I know 0 about mapping, but mapping a good but hard map is a little more "possible" when done in 7k than 4k.
Cause I mean, mindless button mashing in four columns is totes ranked material. (Although IMO it should, cause who cares how stupidly mapped something is aslong as it's fun to play)
IN2k6's lunatic version looks better than the 4k version IMO, in fact, every 7k map looks better. Too bad I can't play any 7k in mania, let alone even touch O2Jam and LR2.
DivinityGate, you could learn to 7k if you really wanted. Spend one week playing only 7k for your entire osu!mania session and see how quickly you improve.
7k actually isn't a lot harder to learn than 4k is when you start out, contrary to popular belief. A very good part of why 7k feels harder is because most people play 4k first. By playing 4k first you only learn to handle 4 columns. Trying to learn 7k after 4k becomes much harder because now you've trained your brain to play 4k and you're trying to use your 4k skills to play 7k, which takes your brain a while to figure out how to adapt. On top of that, since you're aware of how much worse your 7k is than your 4k, 7k feels less fun because you are used to seeing better scores.
You can't compare mapping 7k to mapping 4k. The things you need to pay attention to in your patterns are completely different. The base theory of mapping remains the same (layering is important in both 4k and 7k, etc.) but the kinds of patterns and issues that involve those patterns are completely different. I don't think either is harder than the other when it comes down to creating truly good maps. I think people generally don't understand just what the difference between a 'good' and 'bad' maps is.
IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
7k actually isn't a lot harder to learn than 4k is when you start out, contrary to popular belief. A very good part of why 7k feels harder is because most people play 4k first. By playing 4k first you only learn to handle 4 columns. Trying to learn 7k after 4k becomes much harder because now you've trained your brain to play 4k and you're trying to use your 4k skills to play 7k, which takes your brain a while to figure out how to adapt. On top of that, since you're aware of how much worse your 7k is than your 4k, 7k feels less fun because you are used to seeing better scores.
You can't compare mapping 7k to mapping 4k. The things you need to pay attention to in your patterns are completely different. The base theory of mapping remains the same (layering is important in both 4k and 7k, etc.) but the kinds of patterns and issues that involve those patterns are completely different. I don't think either is harder than the other when it comes down to creating truly good maps. I think people generally don't understand just what the difference between a 'good' and 'bad' maps is.
IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
i agreeDivinityGate wrote:
I know 0 about mapping, but mapping a good but hard map is a little more "possible" when done in 7k than 4k.
IN2k6's lunatic version looks better than the 4k version IMO, in fact, every 7k map looks better. Too bad I can't play any 7k in mania, let alone even touch O2Jam and LR2.
back to topic :
>le makes hard map in 7k
>le try to rank a map
>Realizes almost half the community only 4ks
>Realizes 50% of the 7k community can't speak english well
>Realizes 90% the 7k community can't testplay your map cause it's too hard
>Realizes a certain group of people can't map hard 7k without it having 0 playability
Sorry, if the map looks good, it doesn't mean that it plays well
>Realizes you have to have playability to rank something
>> OR DO YOU!?!?!?!
>Realizes almost all BNs are not blocko tier to testplay et maps
>>Realizes there is BN score w/e that is
>Realizes there are QATs
>>Realizes subjective opinion comes into play
>Realizes there is ranking criteria
>Realizes a large portion of maps that the community enjoys playing cannot be ranked
>>Realizes dumps are not rankable
>>>Realizes some people like to bash down your map by saying over(INSERT VSRG PATTERN HERE)
>>>>Realizes that is DQ-able
>>>>>Realizes Realizes
>Realizes you can make 10 more maps within the timeframe of ranking a map
>Realizes QATs are also not blocko tier
>Realizes there are little mania modders
>Realizes your map is over 3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues only accept <3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >3:00 drain time
>>Realizes they only accept 4k
>Realizes your map is over 6*
>Realizes most modding queues can only mod effectively until 5*s
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >6*
>>Realizes they are ctb queues
>Realizes (probably) the only thing that will benefit you for the long run in ranking maps is pending slots
>Realizes you can make map packs
>Realizes you're too much of a lazy person to rank hard maps
>stop forcing yourself on ranking maps
>pls enjoy game (and mapping)
hAshtAg r u r u c h i
>le makes hard map in 7k
>le try to rank a map
>Realizes almost half the community only 4ks
>Realizes 50% of the 7k community can't speak english well
>Realizes 90% the 7k community can't testplay your map cause it's too hard
>Realizes a certain group of people can't map hard 7k without it having 0 playability
Sorry, if the map looks good, it doesn't mean that it plays well
>Realizes you have to have playability to rank something
>> OR DO YOU!?!?!?!
>Realizes almost all BNs are not blocko tier to testplay et maps
>>Realizes there is BN score w/e that is
>Realizes there are QATs
>>Realizes subjective opinion comes into play
>Realizes there is ranking criteria
>Realizes a large portion of maps that the community enjoys playing cannot be ranked
>>Realizes dumps are not rankable
>>>Realizes some people like to bash down your map by saying over(INSERT VSRG PATTERN HERE)
>>>>Realizes that is DQ-able
>>>>>Realizes Realizes
>Realizes you can make 10 more maps within the timeframe of ranking a map
>Realizes QATs are also not blocko tier
>Realizes there are little mania modders
>Realizes your map is over 3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues only accept <3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >3:00 drain time
>>Realizes they only accept 4k
>Realizes your map is over 6*
>Realizes most modding queues can only mod effectively until 5*s
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >6*
>>Realizes they are ctb queues
>Realizes (probably) the only thing that will benefit you for the long run in ranking maps is pending slots
>Realizes you can make map packs
>Realizes you're too much of a lazy person to rank hard maps
>stop forcing yourself on ranking maps
>pls enjoy game (and mapping)
hAshtAg r u r u c h i
map more
mod more
open queues with less restrictions
-> le profit
mod more
open queues with less restrictions
-> le profit
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.Bobbias wrote:
IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
I have been playing 7k, and I'm seeing lots of improvement, but I still have trouble playing 7k, mostly LR2 with the scratch note.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/240209DivinityGate wrote:
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.
Also Realization poem by John from #greentext
#united
Ninja'd lol. I was thinking the same thing.-Kamikaze- wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/240209DivinityGate wrote:
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.
Bobbias wrote:
DivinityGate, you could learn to 7k if you really wanted. Spend one week playing only 7k for your entire osu!mania session and see how quickly you improve.
7k actually isn't a lot harder to learn than 4k is when you start out, contrary to popular belief. A very good part of why 7k feels harder is because most people play 4k first. By playing 4k first you only learn to handle 4 columns. Trying to learn 7k after 4k becomes much harder because now you've trained your brain to play 4k and you're trying to use your 4k skills to play 7k, which takes your brain a while to figure out how to adapt. On top of that, since you're aware of how much worse your 7k is than your 4k, 7k feels less fun because you are used to seeing better scores.
You can't compare mapping 7k to mapping 4k. The things you need to pay attention to in your patterns are completely different. The base theory of mapping remains the same (layering is important in both 4k and 7k, etc.) but the kinds of patterns and issues that involve those patterns are completely different. I don't think either is harder than the other when it comes down to creating truly good maps. I think people generally don't understand just what the difference between a 'good' and 'bad' maps is.
IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
++++++++100Zenx wrote:
back to topic :
>le makes hard map in 7k
>le try to rank a map
>Realizes almost half the community only 4ks
>Realizes 50% of the 7k community can't speak english well
>Realizes 90% the 7k community can't testplay your map cause it's too hard
>Realizes a certain group of people can't map hard 7k without it having 0 playability
Sorry, if the map looks good, it doesn't mean that it plays well
>Realizes you have to have playability to rank something
>> OR DO YOU!?!?!?!
>Realizes almost all BNs are not blocko tier to testplay et maps
>>Realizes there is BN score w/e that is
>Realizes there are QATs
>>Realizes subjective opinion comes into play
>Realizes there is ranking criteria
>Realizes a large portion of maps that the community enjoys playing cannot be ranked
>>Realizes dumps are not rankable
>>>Realizes some people like to bash down your map by saying over(INSERT VSRG PATTERN HERE)
>>>>Realizes that is DQ-able
>>>>>Realizes Realizes
>Realizes you can make 10 more maps within the timeframe of ranking a map
>Realizes QATs are also not blocko tier
>Realizes there are little mania modders
>Realizes your map is over 3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues only accept <3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >3:00 drain time
>>Realizes they only accept 4k
>Realizes your map is over 6*
>Realizes most modding queues can only mod effectively until 5*s
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >6*
>>Realizes they are ctb queues
>Realizes (probably) the only thing that will benefit you for the long run in ranking maps is pending slots
>Realizes you can make map packs
>Realizes you're too much of a lazy person to rank hard maps
>stop forcing yourself on ranking maps
>pls enjoy game (and mapping)
hAshtAg r u r u c h i
I don't even understand the point of rules and templates lol in modding queues except doing the same useless thing as everybody is already doing and feeling like you are a pro, but wait you cannot be a pro cause it's not and it will never be your job. I mean if you don't want to mod a map then don't mod it.
Disgusting.-Kamikaze- wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/240209DivinityGate wrote:
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.
Also Realization poem by John from #greentext
#united
lol what you can't even play it how can you say thisDivinityGate wrote:
Disgusting.
Do you really think that you can just rate a keymode by the maps' appearance? xDD
liek ur faec XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDivinityGate wrote:
Disgusting.
Transformau5 wrote:
Do you really think that you can just rate a keymode by the maps' appearance? xDD
inb4 Kamui 4key
Seriously though, this is meant towards Divinity: What? How do you know what it'd be like?
I don't._Hibiki_ wrote:
inb4 Kamui 4keyTransformau5 wrote:
Do you really think that you can just rate a keymode by the maps' appearance? xDD
Seriously though, this is meant towards Divinity: What? How do you know what it'd be like?
I say it's disgusting cause anyone who can play this is Cthulhu incarnate.
Cthulhu is love, Cthulhu is life
and it's not like you rate 7k maps while you aren't even a 7k player m8
and it's not like you rate 7k maps while you aren't even a 7k player m8
Overjoy maps are borderline impossible.Transformau5 wrote:
Cthulhu is love, Cthulhu is life
and it's not like you rate 7k maps while you aren't even a 7k player m8
Conclusion: Must be ET.
\:D/
if aiae is considered as disgusting, my air raid should make you puke immdiately ayy lmao
link for the oblivious ones
link for the oblivious ones
*Pukes*-Kamikaze- wrote:
if aiae is considered as disgusting, my air raid should make you puke immdiately ayy lmao
link for the oblivious ones
Is this even possible?
4k Pearl Harbor and 7k Nuclear Attack lol..
heh
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
Not pointing fingersBobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
although I respect the dedication one can have to rake in a ton of ss.Also, what about 4k?
Star rating is brokeded.
this....Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
Is actually a pretty good point
HMMMMMMMM
^Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
no really i didn't knowDivinityGate wrote:
Star rating is brokeded.
This is actually the main reason why I'm trying to rank Maniera.Zenx wrote:
this....Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
Is actually a pretty good point
HMMMMMMMM
DJ Profetti
well, we're trying to get it ranked, but so far whole month of looking for mods resulted in nothing
literally nothing
I should just poke pepole one by once and not go on modding queues
literally nothing
I should just poke pepole one by once and not go on modding queues
It didn't hit me until the other day I was trying to explain how my rank didn't mean shit to my friend who doesn't play osu, i think the conversation sounded like,Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
"My rank is nothing, but you train to become ET, then once you reach a certain point on the leaderboards almost everyone gets 99-100% on every song, you just look at their youtube, LR2 page, or their score on Imperishable Night/Aiae to determine who's better"
There is OBVIOUSLY more to it than that, but if I had to sum it up in a sentence to someone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, that's what I say.
But you began the statement with "My rank is nothing" and then you start talking about a rank at the leaderboards? :V
No i mean my rank of like 3.3k is not good at all XDDDDTransformau5 wrote:
But you began the statement with "My rank is nothing" and then you start talking about a rank at the leaderboards? :V
Edit:
I don't like to argue about the ET map thing simply because the whole argument is a big problem in the game development world.
Do you continue to make things harder to appeal to the hardcore gamers, or do you continue to make things more approachable for newcomers.
>Hardcore Raids in MMO's vs. new players not seeing the content
>Harder RTS mechanics vs. No new players attempting to learn the game anymore
You can see which route makes more money, and which route the console game world took. It's up to peppy, it's his game and I'm sure he is aware of the struggle, I.E the approved maps struggle in Osu!Standard.
I'd argue that in terms of ranked maps requiring spread, the new players will have approachable lower difficulties that they can play in order to help them integrate into the hardcore community (that would obviously be pleased by harder maps being ranked).
Now that I'm starting to play the denest ranked osu!mania maps, I'd love to see even further horizons in even more challenging ranked maps to continue the enjoyable process that is 'becoming et'
Now that I'm starting to play the denest ranked osu!mania maps, I'd love to see even further horizons in even more challenging ranked maps to continue the enjoyable process that is 'becoming et'
There is actually enough easy maps and easy maps are still gonna be ranked. One hard map can also be goal to new players.DeanofDeeps wrote:
>Hardcore Raids in MMO's vs. new players not seeing the content
>Harder RTS mechanics vs. No new players attempting to learn the game anymore
lol too many diffs me no modderino xddddddddddddddTransformau5 wrote:
What about mapsets with both of these
Also, think about this, if you want to follow current spread rules, for a 12 star song that isn't a marathon, you'd need like 7-8 diffs to provide a full spread, unless the rules have changed since last I looked.
xddddddddddd-Kamikaze- wrote:
lol too many diffs me no modderino xddddddddddddddTransformau5 wrote:
What about mapsets with both of these
Wow. Da rules need a serious overhaul. Too bad O!M will probably stay a casual game forever.Bobbias wrote:
Also, think about this, if you want to follow current spread rules, for a 12 star song that isn't a marathon, you'd need like 7-8 diffs to provide a full spread, unless the rules have changed since last I looked.
These are the changes I meant when I said it was up to peppy. A long time ago he made approved maps that didn't require a full spread...everyone started mapping for approval instead of rank, and the community wasn't as stable back then, so rules were changed again.DivinityGate wrote:
Wow. Da rules need a serious overhaul. Too bad O!M will probably stay a casual game forever.Bobbias wrote:
Also, think about this, if you want to follow current spread rules, for a 12 star song that isn't a marathon, you'd need like 7-8 diffs to provide a full spread, unless the rules have changed since last I looked.
One shall find once one starts searchingDivinityGate wrote:
Wow. Da rules need a serious overhaul. Too bad O!M will probably stay a casual game forever.Bobbias wrote:
Also, think about this, if you want to follow current spread rules, for a 12 star song that isn't a marathon, you'd need like 7-8 diffs to provide a full spread, unless the rules have changed since last I looked.
DivinityGate wrote:
I would love to map this for 7k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S1NmtWDVYk
Too bad I've never mapped before.
Same with me, but maybe we can collab together something shorter than that
and create mapset
What about EZ NM HD diffs first.Question: How many diffs are required for mapset getting ranked?
1 easy/normal, 1 hard/insane, if it's a marathon then it needs just 1 diff
Maybe. There are plenty 2 minute MP3's for that song.Agrrox wrote:
DivinityGate wrote:
I would love to map this for 7k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S1NmtWDVYk
Too bad I've never mapped before.
Same with me, but maybe we can collab together something shorter than that
and create mapset
Question: How many diffs are required for mapset getting ranked?
tim pls stop being a meme-Tim- wrote:
how is this thread still getting replies
stepmania
You can always map only part of song.DivinityGate wrote:
Maybe. There are plenty 2 minute MP3's for that song.
NVM people who complain there are no 7k maps should start mapping, lets give it a try i go on EZ also added you as friend so pm me anytime soon.
Atm im working on driver license so i will start slowly.
That's called being lazyAgrrox wrote:
You can always map only part of song.
Tell me more about itAgrrox wrote:
NVM people who complain there are no 7k maps should start mapping, lets give it a try i go on EZ also added you as friend so pm me anytime soon.