it should be balance though between other keymodes :<
Although I agree with this, it is still hard to find BNs capable of checking higher keyamounts nowadays. Some of them just refuse to check because they wanna leave the BNG (I still don't get why they aren't simply allowed to quit if they want to lol, it will save us mappers a shitton of time if we don't ask people who are not willing to be BNs anymore). Last time I tried to get my mapset checked, of all 5 BNs who are supposedly knowledgeable about 7K, 4 of them just didn't feel like doing BN work anymore. I won't reveal any names, and most of them are hardly hidden facts anyway.Stefan wrote:
It's up to the community, not by the BNG. You have the choice what and how something can be ranked.
hahahahaPyaKura wrote:
edit : I haven't been on for this past week, I have no idea whether we got fresh BNs or not.
I was not clear enough perhaps, but what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.If you guys are complaining, become BNs. "Simple" as that. Then you guys say: No time, busy irl... *sigh*
True, I just linked recent ranked/qual 7k. Anyway, 5-6 star charts are above my level so it doesn't affect me that much. I'm actually benefiting from all the 4k maps recently. Oh wait... /me runsPyaKura wrote:
None of the sets you've linked there are above 6 stars (nor even 5 stars ???)
I agree with this totally, I try to look at a 17VA set and I'm all like "yo these noodles man, I can't handle these"PyaKura wrote:
what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.
Telling every person who complains about BNs to become BNs is completely unreasonable. Some people literally do not have the time because of IRL obligations, regardless of whether you accept that as a reason. Beyond that there's the workload of being a BN. Just gonna put this out there, but ExPew has not made many maps since he became BN, and doesnt have anything in pending right now. Listing him as active might not be the best idea.abraker wrote:
I was not clear enough perhaps, but what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.If you guys are complaining, become BNs. "Simple" as that. Then you guys say: No time, busy irl... *sigh*True, I just linked recent ranked/qual 7k. Anyway, 5-6 star charts are above my level so it doesn't affect me that much. I'm actually benefiting from all the 4k maps recently. Oh wait... /me runsPyaKura wrote:
None of the sets you've linked there are above 6 stars (nor even 5 stars ???)
Understandable. My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.Bobbias wrote:
Telling every person who complains about BNs to become BNs is completely unreasonable. Some people literally do not have the time because of IRL obligations, regardless of whether you accept that as a reason.
He still helps getting the more complicated 7k maps checked out as a QAT.Bobbias wrote:
Just gonna put this out there, but ExPew has not made many maps since he became BN, and doesnt have anything in pending right now. Listing him as active might not be the best idea.
yeah sarcasm always has trouble on the interwebabraker wrote:
My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
^-Kamikaze- wrote:
abraker and his theories, this is making me sick already...
ok so personally these are some reasons why more people look for more 4k maps:Aqo wrote:
Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?
I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
Not all players didn't care about the pp. Some players are just want some fun and enjoyable maps to play.DanSparce wrote:
Players today just care about pp
Some common reasonsDanSparce wrote:
but i also believe that 7k is becoming unpopular among new players
What about the other keymodes like 5K, 6K, 8K, and even the newest and rarest 9K?DanSparce wrote:
I think there should also be more 4k maps
If that is pointing on me, then because lack of modders to mod very hard stuff. I am even trying to to get mine rank, but as Pyakura said-Kamikaze- wrote:
You clearly haven't tried ranking hard 7k, nor do you have any idea what are you talking about.
that's why i almost lose hope to get mine ranked.Pyakura wrote:
what we lack are BNs capable of dealing with very hard mapsets.
If you went over the first 10 pages, how come you not find my set O.o (see signature)Aqo wrote:
I just went over the first two pages of pending and all the pending mania mapset is 4K ahhhh this is making me die inside
there needs to be separate queues based on game modes and key modes ;-;
7K Mapsets fished from pending:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/295703 BlackY - Harpuia [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/328466 TREKKIE TRAX - Bright (Sushi Killer Remix) [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307175 penoreri - Everlasting Message [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/324288 xi - ANiMA [6 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307328 orangentle / Yu_Asahina - HAELEQUIN [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326785 Silent Siren - Hapimari [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310699 Shiraishi - Shinsei Taiju [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/194539 Mary - Artificial Rose [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/318277 Sakuzyo - Imprinting [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310656 CHiCO with HoneyWorks - Ai no Scenario [2 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/210610 xi - Garyou Tensei [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/297478 xi - FREEDOM DiVE [???]
this took going over 10 pages. bleh. if we had a separate sorting per game mode and separate for each key mode in mania this wouldn't be so hard to find. ffs.
and why is everybody naming their diffs like SDVX wtf
and wow, for every one 7K there were like 20 4K mapsets. the situation is worse than I thought.
people here are right that autoconverts are part of the problem. the game does a poor job of introducing new players into 7K mode.
starting to give up. osu is a 4k game now...
no i haven't but i do play 7k at times to practice my ring fingers and thumb. i do not mind actually having a lot of 7k, but what i meant is that 4k needs a lot more harder maps, because 7k has a lot already-Kamikaze- wrote:
That was pointing on dan
And you just lost an argument there. Learn about the topic you want to discuss before sputing nonsense.DanSparce wrote:
idk how to map any other key number other than 4k really
Yeah, but look at all of those 7k PP farm maps tho *drools*DanSparce wrote:
but the thing is people want to see more HARDER ranked maps, most easy maps are just ignored by most people. Players today just care about pp and how to get pp? HARDER MAPS. But 4k is like easier to learn than 7k so thats why people want 4k.
i agreeDivinityGate wrote:
I know 0 about mapping, but mapping a good but hard map is a little more "possible" when done in 7k than 4k.
IN2k6's lunatic version looks better than the 4k version IMO, in fact, every 7k map looks better. Too bad I can't play any 7k in mania, let alone even touch O2Jam and LR2.
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.Bobbias wrote:
IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/240209DivinityGate wrote:
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.
Ninja'd lol. I was thinking the same thing.-Kamikaze- wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/240209DivinityGate wrote:
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.
Bobbias wrote:
DivinityGate, you could learn to 7k if you really wanted. Spend one week playing only 7k for your entire osu!mania session and see how quickly you improve.
7k actually isn't a lot harder to learn than 4k is when you start out, contrary to popular belief. A very good part of why 7k feels harder is because most people play 4k first. By playing 4k first you only learn to handle 4 columns. Trying to learn 7k after 4k becomes much harder because now you've trained your brain to play 4k and you're trying to use your 4k skills to play 7k, which takes your brain a while to figure out how to adapt. On top of that, since you're aware of how much worse your 7k is than your 4k, 7k feels less fun because you are used to seeing better scores.
You can't compare mapping 7k to mapping 4k. The things you need to pay attention to in your patterns are completely different. The base theory of mapping remains the same (layering is important in both 4k and 7k, etc.) but the kinds of patterns and issues that involve those patterns are completely different. I don't think either is harder than the other when it comes down to creating truly good maps. I think people generally don't understand just what the difference between a 'good' and 'bad' maps is.
IN2k6's 7k lunatic map is absolutely terrible. To someone who can't play it, it doesn't look nearly as bad as it actually is. The patterns are much harder than they look, and it just flat out feel bad to play.
++++++++100Zenx wrote:
back to topic :
>le makes hard map in 7k
>le try to rank a map
>Realizes almost half the community only 4ks
>Realizes 50% of the 7k community can't speak english well
>Realizes 90% the 7k community can't testplay your map cause it's too hard
>Realizes a certain group of people can't map hard 7k without it having 0 playability
Sorry, if the map looks good, it doesn't mean that it plays well
>Realizes you have to have playability to rank something
>> OR DO YOU!?!?!?!
>Realizes almost all BNs are not blocko tier to testplay et maps
>>Realizes there is BN score w/e that is
>Realizes there are QATs
>>Realizes subjective opinion comes into play
>Realizes there is ranking criteria
>Realizes a large portion of maps that the community enjoys playing cannot be ranked
>>Realizes dumps are not rankable
>>>Realizes some people like to bash down your map by saying over(INSERT VSRG PATTERN HERE)
>>>>Realizes that is DQ-able
>>>>>Realizes Realizes
>Realizes you can make 10 more maps within the timeframe of ranking a map
>Realizes QATs are also not blocko tier
>Realizes there are little mania modders
>Realizes your map is over 3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues only accept <3:00 drain time
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >3:00 drain time
>>Realizes they only accept 4k
>Realizes your map is over 6*
>Realizes most modding queues can only mod effectively until 5*s
>Realizes some modding queues actually accept >6*
>>Realizes they are ctb queues
>Realizes (probably) the only thing that will benefit you for the long run in ranking maps is pending slots
>Realizes you can make map packs
>Realizes you're too much of a lazy person to rank hard maps
>stop forcing yourself on ranking maps
>pls enjoy game (and mapping)
hAshtAg r u r u c h i
Disgusting.-Kamikaze- wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/240209DivinityGate wrote:
I wonder how a 7k version of AiAe would look, lol.
Also Realization poem by John from #greentext
#united
lol what you can't even play it how can you say thisDivinityGate wrote:
Disgusting.
liek ur faec XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDivinityGate wrote:
Disgusting.
Transformau5 wrote:
Do you really think that you can just rate a keymode by the maps' appearance? xDD
I don't._Hibiki_ wrote:
inb4 Kamui 4keyTransformau5 wrote:
Do you really think that you can just rate a keymode by the maps' appearance? xDD
Seriously though, this is meant towards Divinity: What? How do you know what it'd be like?
Overjoy maps are borderline impossible.Transformau5 wrote:
Cthulhu is love, Cthulhu is life
and it's not like you rate 7k maps while you aren't even a 7k player m8
*Pukes*-Kamikaze- wrote:
if aiae is considered as disgusting, my air raid should make you puke immdiately ayy lmao
link for the oblivious ones
Not pointing fingersBobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
this....Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
^Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
no really i didn't knowDivinityGate wrote:
Star rating is brokeded.
This is actually the main reason why I'm trying to rank Maniera.Zenx wrote:
this....Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
Is actually a pretty good point
HMMMMMMMM
It didn't hit me until the other day I was trying to explain how my rank didn't mean shit to my friend who doesn't play osu, i think the conversation sounded like,Bobbias wrote:
If anyone asks me if your Air Raid diff should be ranked, I will say yes, because THAT's how you separate the ETs from the earthlings. Want #1 rank to mean something? Let us rank shit like this. and ban multiacc/acc sharing players and hackers
No i mean my rank of like 3.3k is not good at all XDDDDTransformau5 wrote:
But you began the statement with "My rank is nothing" and then you start talking about a rank at the leaderboards? :V
There is actually enough easy maps and easy maps are still gonna be ranked. One hard map can also be goal to new players.DeanofDeeps wrote:
>Hardcore Raids in MMO's vs. new players not seeing the content
>Harder RTS mechanics vs. No new players attempting to learn the game anymore
lol too many diffs me no modderino xddddddddddddddTransformau5 wrote:
What about mapsets with both of these
xddddddddddd-Kamikaze- wrote:
lol too many diffs me no modderino xddddddddddddddTransformau5 wrote:
What about mapsets with both of these
Wow. Da rules need a serious overhaul. Too bad O!M will probably stay a casual game forever.Bobbias wrote:
Also, think about this, if you want to follow current spread rules, for a 12 star song that isn't a marathon, you'd need like 7-8 diffs to provide a full spread, unless the rules have changed since last I looked.
These are the changes I meant when I said it was up to peppy. A long time ago he made approved maps that didn't require a full spread...everyone started mapping for approval instead of rank, and the community wasn't as stable back then, so rules were changed again.DivinityGate wrote:
Wow. Da rules need a serious overhaul. Too bad O!M will probably stay a casual game forever.Bobbias wrote:
Also, think about this, if you want to follow current spread rules, for a 12 star song that isn't a marathon, you'd need like 7-8 diffs to provide a full spread, unless the rules have changed since last I looked.
One shall find once one starts searchingDivinityGate wrote:
Wow. Da rules need a serious overhaul. Too bad O!M will probably stay a casual game forever.Bobbias wrote:
Also, think about this, if you want to follow current spread rules, for a 12 star song that isn't a marathon, you'd need like 7-8 diffs to provide a full spread, unless the rules have changed since last I looked.
DivinityGate wrote:
I would love to map this for 7k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S1NmtWDVYk
Too bad I've never mapped before.
Maybe. There are plenty 2 minute MP3's for that song.Agrrox wrote:
DivinityGate wrote:
I would love to map this for 7k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S1NmtWDVYk
Too bad I've never mapped before.
Same with me, but maybe we can collab together something shorter than that
and create mapsetWhat about EZ NM HD diffs first.
Question: How many diffs are required for mapset getting ranked?
tim pls stop being a meme-Tim- wrote:
how is this thread still getting replies
stepmania
You can always map only part of song.DivinityGate wrote:
Maybe. There are plenty 2 minute MP3's for that song.
That's called being lazyAgrrox wrote:
You can always map only part of song.
Tell me more about itAgrrox wrote:
NVM people who complain there are no 7k maps should start mapping, lets give it a try i go on EZ also added you as friend so pm me anytime soon.