I think you're confusing "ranked" and "give pp".Riince wrote:
tag4's are no longer 'ranked'
that is, they have scoreboard, but exist outside the ranking system.
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I was one of those who said the AR was too low. Admittedly, I'm not used to this star rating on this AR, and I did tell them that. So it's just my own fault really, or so I believe at least.
Everyone is bitching about the AR and I just want this to come true..
It's not a mistake to use an AR that's not super high. It's a mistake to force everything to ar10 and 10.33 even though it plays fine at 9.5 and better players could do it at ar9 and take away the whole "reading" side of osu. 9.5 is completely fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUBU6Bgxzc
come on, you already nerfed my favorite part^, it's no fun to learn to play 220bpm effectively instead of just relax playing if the whole fun parts of the map (jumps+spacing, reading) is neutered.
Sure it might be true but what can you do? If you make it lower the hard parts will be too low AR..
I'd rather have the hard parts with correct AR than the calm parts with correct AR, if it means one part of the map being in uncomfortable to read regardless of the AR used. (and in this case I do not think AR10 would cause said problems at all)
Quite frankly i do not understand why this is'nt an easy simple decicion, taking into consideration there are no higher star rating maps ranked so i don't understand how anyone would question AR10 being too high.
Every top 500 player can play even higher AR than 10 and feel comfortable with it, so AR10 doesn't seem too extreme from in any aspect for this diff..
What's interesting is that your post essentially confirms a new ranking rule that says that for a map to be ranked, it has to be easy enough for rrtyui (AKA best player) to FC it, which is just completely unnecessary TBH. There's nothing wrong with ranking a map that noone can FC at the moment, the game is for fun to be had, not for pathological perfectionism.
Just to be clear, i agree that hard to read = bad. Hard to read as in readability issues - stuff stacked badly, very confusing patterns for no reason. However in this case, it's very simply put:
"There's too many circles on the screen at once for me to handle, make it easier" and i don't like that at all. The map plays fine and anybody, anybody at all who plays at a high level and has developed reading skills can go into it on their first play without a hitch.
Less challenging? AR should not be used to challenge players; it should be used accordingly to the patterns and to guide players to clearly read what they are hitting.
I haven't covered the additional points but the reasons for the unrank are either based on personal opinions or just marginal things. This is also caused by the pressure on the QAT because they don't have such a 7 star map with that kind of popularity everyday so they want to make sure to make it perfect. But this is ending in a mess while other maps which don't have that much attention get ranked with some flaws or unusual pattern. Ranking this map which is good in many people's opinion would have been the better choice. These are minor flaws or opinions and maps with worse get through the process of ranking. If this would have got through, nobody would have questioned your abilities as QAT. There wouldn't have been many people complaining about too low AR or the pattern being a bit at the right. You're creating the problems on your own.
I could go on even more but I'm tired and I need to go to sleep now. Good night.
Bit off topic but whatever, I don't understand how a mapper trying to get something ranked (ESPECIALLY a 7 star map) would be able to cry about 'oppressing creativity' and such. If you're trying to make the map official and the players the map is directed at find flaws with it, you take them heart and change it. You don't refuse them using bullshit explanations as to why your way of doing things is superior and they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. That's just stroking your own ego and if that's the mindset you have, keep your shit in the graveyard. Not that Awaken has done this yet but we'll see.
). On AR10 I don't stand a chance, because only someone really good can read AR10 well.
It's fine how it is. It'd probably be fine as low as AR9 too, but whatever it is now, 9.5 or whatever, is perfectly easy to read.
The way I see it, people have no right to be upset about scores being wiped, as this is standard protocol for maps being unqualified, and even unranked before qualified category existed. But, I think they have every right to be upset with the people who rushed it back into qualified. This whole situation could have been avoided in both cases by taking time and gathering opinions from people who are actually competent at this game, thus avoiding multiple unranks. It matters for maps like this especially, because high-end maps are made for high-end players.
Something which is also really bothersome is staff censoring complaints under the guise that they're cluttering up the thread and "shitposting". Nothing pisses people off more than pages going missing into AW when they are simply voicing opinions on the matter at hand.
pls take your memes and get out, unless you'd like to share your logic :>
First suggest what you think could be improved that means use the times along with the reason why your suggestion this and how you think it should be changed. You have to allow the mapper to have the chance to see what you are suggesting not just giving them a code
Don't post anything complaining about the unrank its really not needed anymore
Hopefully it isn't to hard checking things in game quickly and remove it.
The .osz file automatically opens my mod and if they like the changes they just delete and replace a few codes, no work.
all i did was give 1 flow mod advice :'c im so r r y wo
i want it ranked again man
nvm i thought u were talking about me rip
Really, only QAT members should be involved. It's possible to tell whether a map is OK for ranking without having to get 97% accuracy on it, I mean, we have had harder stuff ranked like Airman, Atama no Taisou and that one MLP song ranked and there were no long-lasting controversies that followed. The philosophy that maps should play fair for the players is one I agree with, but for god sakes, this map doesn't even have a single flow-break in it... I played this map and I couldn't find any crazy artistry in it like I find in hanzer's maps, just very wide jumps and not much else.
This is a high-profile map, so let's not make the ranking process appear like a incoherent mess towards prospective mappers please. To me, that's the whole crux of the issue.
Assuming anyone who is not a QAT is incapable of judging a map is equally as wrong as saying you can fully comprehend how a map plays out from the editor. There is nothing wrong with getting opinions from the target demographic of the map, especially considering how small of a group it is. I wouldn't be able to trust that the QAT did the job as well as they could if not one of their members could play the map and they did not reach out to those who could. So many mods are small things like hitsounding or snapping and that's really only half of it. It doesn't matter how technically sound a map is if it plays like absolute shit. Bringing in old maps that wouldn't be able to make it through the ranking system nowadays does not make for a strong argument. Airman is not even comparable to Pony Girl or Atama, it has simpler patterns with a higher AR.
EDIT: @Awaken, you really don't need to keep the star rating over 7 by randomly increasing the spacing every time you nerf a pattern.
so thirsty smh
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how is this spacing even allowed anymore lmao
song isnt even that intense, just high pitched
song isnt even that intense, just high pitched
prolly means ranking as in global player rankblahpy wrote:
I think you're confusing "ranked" and "give pp".Riince wrote:
tag4's are no longer 'ranked'
that is, they have scoreboard, but exist outside the ranking system.
i'm almost sure tag4 isnt rankable anymoreblahpy wrote:
I think you're confusing "ranked" and "give pp".Riince wrote:
tag4's are no longer 'ranked'
that is, they have scoreboard, but exist outside the ranking system.
I feel that 00:33:857 (1,2) - (Another diff) is awkwardly quite far to the edge of the map. I think it should be moved in about half a circle's length personally, or perhaps to like this:
Howdy Awaken, after many testplays and discussion, we have reached a consensus that this map must be disqualified over the following reasons:
[Second Gonkanau]
[Second Gonkanau]
- According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
- 02:14:220 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - After internal discussion and various testplays, we have come to the conclusion that this section has not been lowered in difficulty the way we were hoping. Lowering the spacing is still recommended. Also, we believe that the patterns can be made a lot more intuitive. 02:17:493 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - focuses too heavily on the right side of the screen. More movement around the playfield will allow for a more enjoyable pattern.
- 01:56:220 (7,2) - This overlap (as mentioned by jesus1412 and pointed out in various testplays) has been known to cause readability issues. Please try to avoid this.
- 00:10:402 (3,4,5,6) - The back and forth down and up motion is a bit too fast and awkward for the play. Suggestions have said that unstacking 00:10:811 (6) - and moving it to another location would be pretty beneficial
- 00:18:039 (1,2,3,4) - Same issue as above, players have said moving 00:18:448 (4) - to another location for a more oval flow works a lot better
- 00:53:493 (1,2,3,1) - The slider movement is quite fast and also flows downward to 00:54:039 (1) - and back up to 00:53:902 (3) - . The confusion stems from moving to 00:53:902 (3) - and then down to 00:54:039 (1) - , which can be hard to read with the AR
- 01:50:766 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Another pattern that can benefit from an oval flowing triangle, the change in directions seems to cause some issues. Here is an example that works rather well: http://puu.sh/ggXZH/a5fc78f88e.jpg
- 02:04:130 (1,2,3,4,5) - You have a pattern flowing in one direction, then changes rather abruptly from 02:04:675 (5,6) - . This, followed by 02:04:948 (1) - coming downwards made the whole play either confusing or weird to handle appropriately. A more clear, smooth flowing pattern going around would be more beneficial for the play you wish to create here
- 02:09:857 (1,2,3,4) - The angle to the triplet plays out strangely, a less harsh angle of approach would be preferred
I actually disagree. Personally I find the AR fits very well. In general it's a very subjective matter to talk about suitable ARs and I think should be left to the mapper as long as it's not too obviously out of order. Again, just my personal opinion. :pLust wrote:
According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
Please, keep this topic useful for the mapper.
You're free to give your opinion when it makes sense, not shitposting.
Thank you.
(I'm not aiming everyone and this post is for prevention)
You're free to give your opinion when it makes sense, not shitposting.
Thank you.
(I'm not aiming everyone and this post is for prevention)
I completely agree, raising the ar is unnecessaryTom94 wrote:
I actually disagree. Personally I find the AR fits very well. In general it's a very subjective matter to talk about suitable ARs and I think should be left to the mapper as long as it's not too obviously out of order. Again, just my personal opinion. :pLust wrote:
According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
there shouldn't be more than one unrank per map imo
what's the point of unranking a map and re-ranking it if you guys don't even bother to make sure everything is fixed
what's the point of unranking a map and re-ranking it if you guys don't even bother to make sure everything is fixed
^thisTom94 wrote:
In general it's a very subjective matter to talk about suitable ARs and I think should be left to the mapper as long as it's not too obviously out of order.
Tom94 wrote:I think the opinion of players who are actually able to get a good play on this diff (like 97%+) have an opinion of higher value, and it seems that those players agree that the approach rate should be higher. Thats why I also think that the current ar (9.5) probably is too low.
Lust wrote:
According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
I actually disagree. Personally I find the AR fits very well. In general it's a very subjective matter to talk about suitable ARs and I think should be left to the mapper as long as it's not too obviously out of order. Again, just my personal opinion. :p
I completely agree, raising the ar is unnecessary
I was one of the testers, even if my opinion wasn't heavily considered. But I can tell you EZ has nothing to do with this. http://puu.sh/gifRW/36e4733e0e.jpgBrazzers wrote:
Your testers can't read medium object density then? I wanna see any of them clearing hard (3.5*) diffs with EZLust wrote:
[*]According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
I was one of those who said the AR was too low. Admittedly, I'm not used to this star rating on this AR, and I did tell them that. So it's just my own fault really, or so I believe at least.
what? that's ridiculous. AR10 is not going to work on this map at all and increasing it to 9.7 is just going to be a pointless change.Lust wrote:
According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
[Kole]
AgreeTom94 wrote:
I actually disagree. Personally I find the AR fits very well. In general it's a very subjective matter to talk about suitable ARs and I think should be left to the mapper as long as it's not too obviously out of order. Again, just my personal opinion. :pLust wrote:
According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
I have asked mapper to reduce spacing of that part but he insist that current one is better. I find some players to tset it and they think it is fine (since i cant pass that diff) My point is that different people will have different thoughts and like someone think it is fine someone doesnt think so. It is not that fair you give disqualify with such these kind subjective points. It would be better if you can disqualify this after doing some disscusion with mapper and then we can work more effective.
P.S I think current ar is fine
P.S I think current ar is fine
If someone is calling AR9.7 too low, then they need to learn to read.It's not about someone being able to read certain ar better than some other ar, It's about a certain ar fitting a diff better than some other ar..
Honestly I feel that if you can't FC the map you can't leave a real opinion on it.
This narrows down our choices to 1 person who literally doesn't care that it is high od or ar 9.5 or hard to read in some places.
This narrows down our choices to 1 person who literally doesn't care that it is high od or ar 9.5 or hard to read in some places.
This map will have 6+ FC's by the end of the year (provided the map creator puts up with all the bullshit), the only difference between rrtyui and the rest will be the play count (2 vs 50)
The only reason I can find for this nonsense is that the QAT/BAT's are having some serious mental breakdowns concerning the number 7, like omg SEVEN STARS, WHAAAT THATS CRAZY, so they are all nervous and anxious about it for god knows what reason and have to compensate by making sure the map is even easier to read than it already is.
The only reason I can find for this nonsense is that the QAT/BAT's are having some serious mental breakdowns concerning the number 7, like omg SEVEN STARS, WHAAAT THATS CRAZY, so they are all nervous and anxious about it for god knows what reason and have to compensate by making sure the map is even easier to read than it already is.
Why are people throwing a fit over a qualified map being disqualified? This is what the section is for and you're warned about it when downloading maps.
Don't want this to happen or don't want to be upset about stuff like this? Stay away from the Qualified section. It's as simple as that.
Also there are so many people talking out of their ass without knowing how the ranking process works it's sad.
Don't want this to happen or don't want to be upset about stuff like this? Stay away from the Qualified section. It's as simple as that.
Also there are so many people talking out of their ass without knowing how the ranking process works it's sad.
I disagree. Did you actually try it? AR10 makes it so much easier to read the cross-screen jumps. I mean, I don't understand why the mapper is hesitating to use AR10 when the map is already 7 stars, BPM of 220, and using x6.0-x7.0 distance jumps. I FC'd the hardest part in the second try with AR10, and I really do believe there are players like me who find the AR as the only obstacle that is preventing them from FCing. I doubt that there are people who cannot read AR10 at the skill-level where the diff was aimed to be played at. This isn't 2012 when AR10 was thought as a taboo. The mapper obviously thinks that the song deserves such extreme jumps, and yes it fits well; however, then, why not use an extreme AR? If the AR is kept at 9.5, the mapper is making the same mistake of rainbow dash, pluto, or trigger happy. I really hope you make the wise choice.-GN wrote:
what? that's ridiculous. AR10 is not going to work on this map at all and increasing it to 9.7 is just going to be a pointless change.Lust wrote:
According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
Lust wrote:
02:17:493 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - focuses too heavily on the right side of the screen. More movement around the playfield will allow for a more enjoyable pattern.
Everyone is bitching about the AR and I just want this to come true..
Good. That's how it should be when a map like this gets ranked. It's not your typical anime OP with AR9 arbitrarily assigned to it that will fly through qualified without a problem. Maps like these should be scrutinized. The AR change is only one of the suggestions Lust listed. To me, this is more about mapping patterns which don't work well with the AR. There are two scenarios, you change the AR to something slightly higher or you change some of the patterns to be more intuitive. http://puu.sh/giomH/ec2427d303.png The jumps at 820x, although they are technically the hardest part of the map, they still play fine because they fit the AR quite well (not to say it's mapped perfectly, I think it's entirely reasonable to criticize how it focuses on the right side of the screen even though it is not as big of a deal). The QATs are not overreacting, look at the members of QAT. None of them are top players so they do the logical thing. They ask the top players. "Hey, we need some opinions on this map going through qualified as none of us are able to play the highest difficulty, mind helping us out?", and guess what? We all had problems with it. That difficulty isn't for 99% of the people posting in this thread right now, your opinion is honestly not appreciated and is detrimental to ensuring this map is done right. The only posts here I see worth following up on are Tom and GN's. Simple as that. walloftextPurple wrote:
The only reason I can find for this nonsense is that the QAT/BAT's are having some serious mental breakdowns concerning the number 7, like omg SEVEN STARS, WHAAAT THATS CRAZY, so they are all nervous and anxious about it for god knows what reason and have to compensate by making sure the map is even easier to read than it already is.
240 + is what calls for more ar 10 tbh AR 9.7 fits best with the map and it also makes calmer part of the map not look awful with it. AR 10 goes a bit too fast
I also disagree strongly. The AR is completely fine and raising it would make the map objectively worse to play and less challenging and fun.Tom94 wrote:
I actually disagree. Personally I find the AR fits very well. In general it's a very subjective matter to talk about suitable ARs and I think should be left to the mapper as long as it's not too obviously out of order. Again, just my personal opinion. :pLust wrote:
According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
It's not a mistake to use an AR that's not super high. It's a mistake to force everything to ar10 and 10.33 even though it plays fine at 9.5 and better players could do it at ar9 and take away the whole "reading" side of osu. 9.5 is completely fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUBU6Bgxzc
come on, you already nerfed my favorite part^, it's no fun to learn to play 220bpm effectively instead of just relax playing if the whole fun parts of the map (jumps+spacing, reading) is neutered.
We know this is not mania so the AR being too high for the calmer part is a problem with no real solution.LexiaLovesU wrote:
AR 9.7 fits best with the map and it also makes calmer part of the map not look awful with it.
Sure it might be true but what can you do? If you make it lower the hard parts will be too low AR..
I'd rather have the hard parts with correct AR than the calm parts with correct AR, if it means one part of the map being in uncomfortable to read regardless of the AR used. (and in this case I do not think AR10 would cause said problems at all)
Quite frankly i do not understand why this is'nt an easy simple decicion, taking into consideration there are no higher star rating maps ranked so i don't understand how anyone would question AR10 being too high.
Every top 500 player can play even higher AR than 10 and feel comfortable with it, so AR10 doesn't seem too extreme from in any aspect for this diff..
It's not too extreme, but simply maxing out the AR as high as reasonable people can react for every single map removes a lot of depth from the mapSotajumala wrote:
We know this is not mania so the AR being too high for the calmer part is a problem with no real solution.LexiaLovesU wrote:
AR 9.7 fits best with the map and it also makes calmer part of the map not look awful with it.
Sure it might be true but what can you do? If you make it lower the hard parts will be too low AR..
I'd rather have the hard parts with correct AR than the calm parts with correct AR, if it means one part of the map being in uncomfortable to read regardless of the AR used. (and in this case I do not think AR10 would cause said problems at all)
Quite frankly i do not understand why this is'nt an easy simple decicion, taking into consideration there are no higher star rating maps ranked so i don't understand how anyone would question AR10 being too high.
Every top 500 player can play even higher AR than 10 and feel comfortable with it, so AR10 doesn't seem too extreme from in any aspect for this diff..
It's not too extreme, but simply maxing out the AR as high as reasonable people can react for every single map removes a lot of depth from the mapIm not saying the AR should be as high as possible, I'm saying that I think AR10 is the best AR for this diff.
I actually didn't realize you or jesus1412 constitute TOP PLAYERS that are known for doing AMAZING THINGS in this game like 7-8 stars maps such as this one. IMO, if the QATs need the input of someone else because a map is too hard for them (fair enough), they should seek people that are known to FC maps of similar difficulty, and in this case, that means rrtyui, hvick, DH, WWW, HDHR, thelewa, and a few others. If they can't find anyone who can FC this song and speak english, they have to do the translation work themselves, it's that simple.JappyBabes wrote:
Good. That's how it should be when a map like this gets ranked. It's not your typical anime OP with AR9 arbitrarily assigned to it that will fly through qualified without a problem. Maps like these should be scrutinized. The AR change is only one of the suggestions Lust listed. To me, this is more about mapping patterns which don't work well with the AR. There are two scenarios, you change the AR to something slightly higher or you change some of the patterns to be more intuitive. http://puu.sh/giomH/ec2427d303.png The jumps at 820x, although they are technically the hardest part of the map, they still play fine because they fit the AR quite well (not to say it's mapped perfectly, I think it's entirely reasonable to criticize how it focuses on the right side of the screen even though it is not as big of a deal). The QATs are not overreacting, look at the members of QAT. None of them are top players so they do the logical thing. They ask the top players. "Hey, we need some opinions on this map going through qualified as none of us are able to play the highest difficulty, mind helping us out?", and guess what? We all had problems with it. That difficulty isn't for 99% of the people posting in this thread right now, your opinion is honestly not appreciated and is detrimental to ensuring this map is done right. The only posts here I see worth following up on are Tom and GN's. Simple as that. walloftextPurple wrote:
The only reason I can find for this nonsense is that the QAT/BAT's are having some serious mental breakdowns concerning the number 7, like omg SEVEN STARS, WHAAAT THATS CRAZY, so they are all nervous and anxious about it for god knows what reason and have to compensate by making sure the map is even easier to read than it already is.
What's interesting is that your post essentially confirms a new ranking rule that says that for a map to be ranked, it has to be easy enough for rrtyui (AKA best player) to FC it, which is just completely unnecessary TBH. There's nothing wrong with ranking a map that noone can FC at the moment, the game is for fun to be had, not for pathological perfectionism.
I think 9.3 is the best AR for second gonkanau but i can see why some would want to play it at 9 or approaching 10 (i'm just too bad to read it well at ar9)Sotajumala wrote:
It's not too extreme, but simply maxing out the AR as high as reasonable people can react for every single map removes a lot of depth from the mapIm not saying the AR should be as high as possible, I'm saying that I think AR10 is the best AR for this diff.
Just to be clear, i agree that hard to read = bad. Hard to read as in readability issues - stuff stacked badly, very confusing patterns for no reason. However in this case, it's very simply put:
"There's too many circles on the screen at once for me to handle, make it easier" and i don't like that at all. The map plays fine and anybody, anybody at all who plays at a high level and has developed reading skills can go into it on their first play without a hitch.
Can you explain how it is objectively worse? Because you think so?-Aeryn- wrote:
I also disagree strongly. The AR is completely fine and raising it would make the map objectively worse to play and less challenging and fun.
Less challenging? AR should not be used to challenge players; it should be used accordingly to the patterns and to guide players to clearly read what they are hitting.
Can we not digress?Kheldragar wrote:
There's no such thing as fun in Osu.
Can you explain how it is objectively worse? Because you think so?Insactly, AR is chosen for the map, not the players.
Less challenging? AR should not be used to challenge players; it should be used accordingly to the patterns and to guide players to clearly read what they are hitting.
It's just sad, why don't you just rank the map and let people have fun with it. Some of the top FC it and those who can't need to try harder. It's that simple.Lust wrote:
- According to many, the AR is just too low for the patterns you implemented. AR9.7 or even AR10 would make the play a lot smoother and inevitably solve issues on some patterns that were awkward
This is based on personal opinion, I think it is good as it is and it is fun to play even though I can't pass it. And why increasing the AR just to make it easier to FC for a handful of people. Those who are able to FC this map I guess are in the top 200 and those players should be able to read lower AR without problems. And if not they gotta learn it. It doesn't justify the unrank in my opinion.- 02:14:220 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - After internal discussion and various testplays, we have come to the conclusion that this section has not been lowered in difficulty the way we were hoping. Lowering the spacing is still recommended. Also, we believe that the patterns can be made a lot more intuitive.
Recommend? So it's optional and doesn't justify the unrank too. I know the section is hard, but it is fun. The map and the section is already very good (at least compared to other maps getting ranked nowadays) and doesn't really need to be "more intuitive" while risking it to be less fun or different at all.- 02:17:493 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - focuses too heavily on the right side of the screen. More movement around the playfield will allow for a more enjoyable pattern.
Wow, too much circles at the right, I could almost start crying. Seriously... This is a slight drift to the right for a few seconds. That doesn't justify a unrank at all and it looks like you were desperately searching for small flaws to justify it. Is the map now unrankable because of that? That's how the map is, it's not less fun or less FCable because of that.- 01:56:220 (7,2) - This overlap (as mentioned by jesus1412 and pointed out in various testplays) has been known to cause readability issues. Please try to avoid this.
Have seen way worse in recently ranked maps.
I haven't covered the additional points but the reasons for the unrank are either based on personal opinions or just marginal things. This is also caused by the pressure on the QAT because they don't have such a 7 star map with that kind of popularity everyday so they want to make sure to make it perfect. But this is ending in a mess while other maps which don't have that much attention get ranked with some flaws or unusual pattern. Ranking this map which is good in many people's opinion would have been the better choice. These are minor flaws or opinions and maps with worse get through the process of ranking. If this would have got through, nobody would have questioned your abilities as QAT. There wouldn't have been many people complaining about too low AR or the pattern being a bit at the right. You're creating the problems on your own.
I could go on even more but I'm tired and I need to go to sleep now. Good night.
Jesse has FCd Mendes DT (6.92), Native Faith DT (7.32) and almost TearVid DT (6.94). And I have that shitty Airman score l0l. If your argument is that if you are not someone who does not have an FC on a 7* map you can not accurately perceive problems, not only do you invalidate every single one of your posts because you can't FC a 7* map, but you also admit you don't know how difficult this map actually is. This pales in comparison to something like Freedom Dive and Wahrheit DT even though the star ratings are incredibly similar. There's no need to get all upset because I said you can't play this properly and try and put Jesse and I down as people that don't know what we're talking about. Nowhere in my post did I imply anything about this map being impossible to FC, considering that rrt even FCd the previous version of this which was more difficult (although it had a lower star rating) I don't even know why you wrote that because it is already easy enough for him. Also, it's not about 'striving for pathological perfectionism' but moving away from the mentality that is being content with mediocrity.Purple wrote:
I actually didn't realize you or jesus1412 constitute TOP PLAYERS that are known for doing AMAZING THINGS in this game like 7-8 stars maps such as this one. IMO, if the QATs need the input of someone else because a map is too hard for them (fair enough), they should seek people that are known to FC maps of similar difficulty, and in this case, that means rrtyui, hvick, DH, WWW, HDHR, thelewa, and a few others. If they can't find anyone who can FC this song and speak english, they have to do the translation work themselves, it's that simple.
What's interesting is that your post essentially confirms a new ranking rule that says that for a map to be ranked, it has to be easy enough for rrtyui (AKA best player) to FC it, which is just completely unnecessary TBH. There's nothing wrong with ranking a map that noone can FC at the moment, the game is for fun to be had, not for pathological perfectionism.
Bit off topic but whatever, I don't understand how a mapper trying to get something ranked (ESPECIALLY a 7 star map) would be able to cry about 'oppressing creativity' and such. If you're trying to make the map official and the players the map is directed at find flaws with it, you take them heart and change it. You don't refuse them using bullshit explanations as to why your way of doing things is superior and they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. That's just stroking your own ego and if that's the mindset you have, keep your shit in the graveyard. Not that Awaken has done this yet but we'll see.
^this.JappyBabes wrote:
You don't refuse them using bullshit explanations as to why your way of doing things is superior and they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. That's just stroking your own ego and if that's the mindset you have, keep your shit in the graveyard. Not that Awaken has done this yet but we'll see.
I actually stated that I don't feel good enough to comment on most of the map but to say that someone who can almost FC airman isn't good enough to pass judgement on this? I agree we should "ask rrtyui or hvick" but they're not interested in discussing it so we're doing the best we can by asking other people.#67 Xytox, #6 isokasapupuja, #41 jappybabes, #28 alumetorz, #178 omgforz, #34 kearnen, how many more do you want?Purple wrote:
I actually didn't realize you or jesus1412 constitute TOP PLAYERS that are known for doing AMAZING THINGS in this game like 7-8 stars maps such as this one. IMO, if the QATs need the input of someone else because a map is too hard for them (fair enough), they should seek people that are known to FC maps of similar difficulty, and in this case, that means rrtyui, hvick, DH, WWW, HDHR, thelewa, and a few others. If they can't find anyone who can FC this song and speak english, they have to do the translation work themselves, it's that simple.JappyBabes wrote:
Good. That's how it should be when a map like this gets ranked. It's not your typical anime OP with AR9 arbitrarily assigned to it that will fly through qualified without a problem. Maps like these should be scrutinized. The AR change is only one of the suggestions Lust listed. To me, this is more about mapping patterns which don't work well with the AR. There are two scenarios, you change the AR to something slightly higher or you change some of the patterns to be more intuitive. http://puu.sh/giomH/ec2427d303.png The jumps at 820x, although they are technically the hardest part of the map, they still play fine because they fit the AR quite well (not to say it's mapped perfectly, I think it's entirely reasonable to criticize how it focuses on the right side of the screen even though it is not as big of a deal). The QATs are not overreacting, look at the members of QAT. None of them are top players so they do the logical thing. They ask the top players. "Hey, we need some opinions on this map going through qualified as none of us are able to play the highest difficulty, mind helping us out?", and guess what? We all had problems with it. That difficulty isn't for 99% of the people posting in this thread right now, your opinion is honestly not appreciated and is detrimental to ensuring this map is done right. The only posts here I see worth following up on are Tom and GN's. Simple as that. walloftext
What's interesting is that your post essentially confirms a new ranking rule that says that for a map to be ranked, it has to be easy enough for rrtyui (AKA best player) to FC it, which is just completely unnecessary TBH. There's nothing wrong with ranking a map that noone can FC at the moment, the game is for fun to be had, not for pathological perfectionism.
ah, so less than 20 combo off an FC of airman completely invalidates his opinion
looking forward to seeing you fc 7star+ nomod maps in the near future :)
looking forward to seeing you fc 7star+ nomod maps in the near future :)
if, according to you, someone who has been in the top50 consistently for the past 3 years or so is not good enough to determine if this map plays well or not (which is laughable at it's own). how can you even have the nerves to think that you do?Purple wrote:
It's not a FC, and he himself knows he's not a top player as I described (yet), if he chooses to feel offended, then really that's not my doing. I do admit I find it surprising to see someone play a map that is way harder to read than this 900+ times and see him complain about pattern readability here. I do want to know the list of people who played this map on behalf of the QAT because I can almost guarantee that the players I mentioned in my previous post wouldn't have had a problem with readability on this map.rachel wrote:
are you actually legitimately flaming a top 50 player for not being considered a "top player" when you're barely in the bottom half of the top 10k yourself
dude almost has a fucking airman fc, is that not good enough for you?Even if the AR setting's intent purpose was to accommodate players and improve map readability (I don't agree with that), it's still a matter of preference, some people like AR10 and others prefer lower, and in this one case OP might have chosen something that is not popular among the majority of players and I think the QAT should always respect that decision as long as it's not extreme, like AR8 or something.Broccoly wrote:
Can you explain how it is objectively worse? Because you think so?
Less challenging? AR should not be used to challenge players; it should be used accordingly to the patterns and to guide players to clearly read what they are hitting.
Isn't that somewhat ironic? I, an 8k rank trash player, could almost pass the map on its current setting because it's so easy to read (I got past the solo part and choked in the end of the last chorus and failedBroccoly wrote:
AR should not be used to challenge players; it should be used accordingly to the patterns and to guide players to clearly read what they are hitting.
). On AR10 I don't stand a chance, because only someone really good can read AR10 well.It's fine how it is. It'd probably be fine as low as AR9 too, but whatever it is now, 9.5 or whatever, is perfectly easy to read.
could almost pass the mapThink this explains broccolys point pretty well LMAO, besides i think even if you would have passed it would not have a been a gloriously awesome play.
My point is that most people who find the map playable would stand less of a chance on AR10. Changing it to AR10 just because a few people have conditioned themselves to only be able to play AR10 and nothing else is stupid.Sotajumala wrote:
could almost pass the mapThink this explains broccolys point pretty well LMAO, besides i think even if you would have passed it would not have a been a gloriously awesome play.
"Changing it to AR10 just because a few people have conditioned themselves to only be able to play AR10 and nothing else is stupid."Youre mistaking being able to play AR10 with playing this map rather on AR10 than a on a lower AR. They are not the same thing.
If anyone cares about my opinion I just want to say approach rate should be decided only by map creator without any objections, as he is the one who is making art and it is up to him how it is going to look like. Making it ranked of course needs approval, but as for me good timing and FCable set of notes is all that should be checked. Anything on top of it I consider limiting new horizons.
PS. I love old maps.
woof
PS. I love old maps.
woof
also this map should be AR9
In that case, AR should be a lot higher on a lot of ranked maps and a lot lower on a lot of other ranked maps. A lot of the basis of HR mod, even, is challenging people to read a very low object density (150-170bpm ar10 anyone?)Broccoly wrote:
Can you explain how it is objectively worse? Because you think so?
Less challenging? AR should not be used to challenge players; it should be used accordingly to the patterns and to guide players to clearly read what they are hitting.
I doubt there's a "fitting" approach rate for this. It seems like this is being dictated more by the userbase's comfort than any other standard.
In that case, AR should be a lot higher on a lot of ranked maps and a lot lower on a lot of other ranked maps. A lot of the basis of HR mod, even, is challenging people to read a very low object density (150-170bpm ar10 anyone?)I don't think anyone should conclude the fact the hr exist in thinking what AR they should use..
keep calm and let the mapper answer okey?
Thank you guys for giving your opinion on this map.
I would be glad to see good posts which help the mapper, sadly this isn't the case anymore.
I lock this topic for now, we'll reopen it when the mapper will contact me or any QAT/GMT
wee~
I would be glad to see good posts which help the mapper, sadly this isn't the case anymore.
I lock this topic for now, we'll reopen it when the mapper will contact me or any QAT/GMT
wee~
Since when was "shitposting" a term in the osu! community?
Surely this isn't so bad we have to lock the thread.
If you guys are complaining about maps getting disqualified, stop playing the qualified maps. They have their own category for a reason.
Surely this isn't so bad we have to lock the thread.
If you guys are complaining about maps getting disqualified, stop playing the qualified maps. They have their own category for a reason.
I agee that higher AR will feel better, but AR10 will be awkward since there are also relatively slower parts.
I have restored some posts that could be useful for references in the future.
Let the discussion go on
(I agree with most of top players agree on as a #97)
Let the discussion go on
(I agree with most of top players agree on as a #97)
unranked again??? why ㅜ_ㅜ
Even though this isn't helpful to the mapper.
There is a trend with Awaken "super insane diffs" where they get qualified, disqualified over and over until BN had enough and are "satisfied" at the same time the star difficulty.
I MEAN COME ON, The same thing happened to Hanairo Biyori (From 6.11 to 6.48)
Maybe be more careful with qualifying maps? Disqualifying a map that was "hype" qualified just pisses off the community (Oh, just don't play qualified maps) but that isn't a good solution. (Well... the disqualification wasn't because of the that one diff) but it still is affected because new people still mod the diff.
Can we just not repeat this again?
There is a trend with Awaken "super insane diffs" where they get qualified, disqualified over and over until BN had enough and are "satisfied" at the same time the star difficulty.
I MEAN COME ON, The same thing happened to Hanairo Biyori (From 6.11 to 6.48)
Maybe be more careful with qualifying maps? Disqualifying a map that was "hype" qualified just pisses off the community (Oh, just don't play qualified maps) but that isn't a good solution. (Well... the disqualification wasn't because of the that one diff) but it still is affected because new people still mod the diff.
Can we just not repeat this again?
I partially agree, and also somewhat disagree with your sentiments.Garpo wrote:
Even though this isn't helpful to the mapper.
There is a trend with Awaken "super insane diffs" where they get qualified, disqualified over and over until BN had enough and are "satisfied" at the same time the star difficulty.
I MEAN COME ON, The same thing happened to Hanairo Biyori (From 6.11 to 6.48)
Maybe be more careful with qualifying maps? Disqualifying a map that was "hype" qualified just pisses off the community (Oh, just don't play qualified maps) but that isn't a good solution. (Well... the disqualification wasn't because of the that one diff) but it still is affected because new people still mod the diff.
Can we just not repeat this again?
The way I see it, people have no right to be upset about scores being wiped, as this is standard protocol for maps being unqualified, and even unranked before qualified category existed. But, I think they have every right to be upset with the people who rushed it back into qualified. This whole situation could have been avoided in both cases by taking time and gathering opinions from people who are actually competent at this game, thus avoiding multiple unranks. It matters for maps like this especially, because high-end maps are made for high-end players.
Something which is also really bothersome is staff censoring complaints under the guise that they're cluttering up the thread and "shitposting". Nothing pisses people off more than pages going missing into AW when they are simply voicing opinions on the matter at hand.
od9 at least pls
posts get back,cool
Good luck on re-rank! I love your Another Difficulty and can't wait to play it once it gets ranked again! ^ u ^
Best of luck to you!
Best of luck to you!
now the jumps leading up to the "hardest jumps of the map" are harder :c
Kinda sad that theres so much drama around the qualified thing.
Maybe it would be better to not give out PP for qualified maps while still taking record of score (?)
Anyways i really like the map and hope that you can rank it someday all the way.
But its expected to take multiple tries with a high-difficulty map in the mapset as many people will be aware of it, many people will search for mistakes in the mapset.
Maybe it would be better to not give out PP for qualified maps while still taking record of score (?)
Anyways i really like the map and hope that you can rank it someday all the way.
But its expected to take multiple tries with a high-difficulty map in the mapset as many people will be aware of it, many people will search for mistakes in the mapset.
LOL there is many unqualified BN's & QAT'S 
Be Smart And Neutral ...
Be Smart And Neutral ...I don't know whether you're insulting the BNG/QAT members or if you simply typed the opposite of what you meant. Either way, you make no sense, and should stop posting.OSUjanaiKATSURAda wrote:
LOL there is many unqualified BN's & QAT'S
02:17:766 (3,4) - ctrl+G and 02:18:039 (1,2) - Ctrl+G for second gonkakorokuu but then the sd will go to 7.07 rip but oh well flow pls
kby
kby
Guys its enough only post something that is relevant to the map we have heard enough opinions about the AR now it is up to the mapper
On-Topic Once you reply to Lust's mod get like 2-3 more mods and you can call me to give the map a check
On-Topic Once you reply to Lust's mod get like 2-3 more mods and you can call me to give the map a check
Nice find.
[Second Gonkanau]
02:18:311 (1) to 02:19:402 (7) - Placement and Flow
Download .osz (Run to install my changes as a separate difficulty for viewing)
Download text file
I'll mod more later, bed time now.
In addition to this I fixed the flow and placement of the notes here:VINXIS wrote:
02:17:766 (3,4) - ctrl+G and 02:18:039 (1,2) - Ctrl+G for second gonkakorokuu but then the sd will go to 7.07 rip but oh well flow pls
kby
[Second Gonkanau]
02:18:311 (1) to 02:19:402 (7) - Placement and Flow
Download text file
Images
- 02:18:311 (1) to 02:18:857 (2)
- 02:18:993 (3) - to 02:19:402 (7)
My Mod
If you need help hit me up.
159,383,138311,6,0,P|96:363|69:283,1,142.5,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,299,138584,70,0,B|183:259|183:259|228:244|228:244|244:199|279:184,1,178.125
308,260,138857,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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471,107,139402,2,0,P|417:103|378:118,1,95,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
I'll mod more later, bed time now.
.Static Noise Bird wrote:
I don't know whether you're insulting the BNG/QAT members or if you simply typed the opposite of what you meant. Either way, you make no sense, and should stop posting.OSUjanaiKATSURAda wrote:
LOL there is many unqualified BN's & QAT'S
good point, I agree 100%OSUjanaiKATSURAda wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh wow
oh wow
rank HW maps but unrank this ....
most critic is about readability .... and still unreadable 'shitmapping' gets ranked and this perfectly readable map doesn't
most critic is about readability .... and still unreadable 'shitmapping' gets ranked and this perfectly readable map doesn't
Zantaria wrote:
rank HW maps but unrank this ....
pls take your memes and get out, unless you'd like to share your logic :>
Yeah that's not modding that's you giving the mapper a code when the mapper doesn't even know what you changedCartographer wrote:
Nice find.Please take a look here, I like what you did and made it better.. I hope.VINXIS wrote:
02:17:766 (3,4) - ctrl+G and 02:18:039 (1,2) - Ctrl+G for second gonkakorokuu but then the sd will go to 7.07 rip but oh well flow pls
kby
[Second Gonkanau]
02:18:311 (1) to 02:19:402 (7) - Flow
Cartographers modMy ModIf you need help hit me up.159,383,138311,6,0,P|96:363|69:283,1,142.5,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,299,138584,70,0,B|183:259|183:259|228:244|228:244|244:199|279:184,1,178.125
308,260,138857,1,8,0:0:0:0:
95,25,138993,1,2,0:0:0:0:
308,260,139130,1,0,0:0:0:0:
471,107,139266,1,2,0:0:0:0:
471,107,139334,1,0,0:0:0:0:
471,107,139402,2,0,P|417:103|378:118,1,95,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
I'll mod more later, bed time now.
First suggest what you think could be improved that means use the times along with the reason why your suggestion this and how you think it should be changed. You have to allow the mapper to have the chance to see what you are suggesting not just giving them a code
Don't post anything complaining about the unrank its really not needed anymore
I have provided images and a download to the mod.LexiaLovesU wrote:
Yeah that's not modding that's you giving the mapper a code when the mapper doesn't even know what you changed
First suggest what you think could be improved that means use the times along with the reason why your suggestion this and how you think it should be changed. You have to allow the mapper to have the chance to see what you are suggesting not just giving them a code
Don't post anything complaining about the unrank its really not needed anymore
Hopefully it isn't to hard checking things in game quickly and remove it.
The .osz file automatically opens my mod and if they like the changes they just delete and replace a few codes, no work.
uuuh BNs who want to bubble/rank this map should at least know how to play this map or pass.
That will avoid future problems like this....
IMO, AR is not really a problem when you know how to read maps. They are many players who are shiting on maps because the AR is too slow.
I didn't really like playing this map because jumps are forced, i don't really feel anything funny when playing this map. But well it's just my opinion.
I'll mention some flaws, but that's just my opinion, don't consider them as the absolute truth.
I disabled hitsounds volume and listened to everything, there are too much density for what the song can provide. There are some 1/4 sliderjumps to emphasize strong vocals, but anything audible on blue ticks where the 1/4 slider ends.
Conclusion, This is overmapped.
Edit : I didn't say that i agree with that disqualification, There are too many maps like this which are ranked (i won't mention them), and i think people have overreacted on this map because "OH MY GOD 7 STARS, FREE PPS FOR RURUCHI SAMA"...
That will avoid future problems like this....
IMO, AR is not really a problem when you know how to read maps. They are many players who are shiting on maps because the AR is too slow.
I didn't really like playing this map because jumps are forced, i don't really feel anything funny when playing this map. But well it's just my opinion.
I'll mention some flaws, but that's just my opinion, don't consider them as the absolute truth.
- When i say that i don't feel anything funny, it's when you don't feel the real impact of the song, you have deliberately increased the difficulty, and added some extra triples which do not follow the song and make this diff even less funnier to play for example 00:23:084 (2,3,4) - or 00:26:970 (5) - etc., and some 1/4 slider jumps too 00:25:948 (5,6) - . Is it overmapping ? not really if you use them sparingly.
- 00:25:948 (5,6) - Here, i don't really know what you're following, you skip this note 01:20:902 - which is enough powerful, and i think a clap is supposed to be here too. Before adding more density, make sure that you follow the song first. If you don't do that, patterns can be easily confusing.
- 02:05:289 (2,3,4) - This map is not Mythologia's end, unsnapped things you can hear on the song don't mean "awh i'll map streams here", that's a theory which does not make sense.
- 02:14:220 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - rip.
I disabled hitsounds volume and listened to everything, there are too much density for what the song can provide. There are some 1/4 sliderjumps to emphasize strong vocals, but anything audible on blue ticks where the 1/4 slider ends.
Conclusion, This is overmapped.
Edit : I didn't say that i agree with that disqualification, There are too many maps like this which are ranked (i won't mention them), and i think people have overreacted on this map because "OH MY GOD 7 STARS, FREE PPS FOR RURUCHI SAMA"...
I honestly see no problem. BATS and QATs take their jobs too seriously... but I'm not the one to judge if I just want to enjoy a game
you should fix the intro ;w;Awaken wrote:
7.08
As a lot of people have pointed out, AR9.5 to 10 would be appropriate and fitting for this map, it should be up to the mapper's discretion. The patterns are easy and intuitive to read, even I can play this map somewhat until the spacing because too much for me to hit anything. And as for the most of the notes being on the right side of the screen, this just seem like something based on opinion; personally I like it better than perfect symmetry in a map.
Anyway there was a few things I wanted to point out about Gs Insane. My problem is that the 220 steams, especially when followed up by 1/2 notes, are way too hard compared to the rest of the map.
02:07:334 (7) - I think this circle should be deleted; if you listen carefully, there is no note on the fourth circle on the stream, so I think it should be a triple.
02:12:039 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - I think this should be changed. Other people could give better advice, maybe use use sliders/repeat sliders instead?
Anyway there was a few things I wanted to point out about Gs Insane. My problem is that the 220 steams, especially when followed up by 1/2 notes, are way too hard compared to the rest of the map.
02:07:334 (7) - I think this circle should be deleted; if you listen carefully, there is no note on the fourth circle on the stream, so I think it should be a triple.
02:12:039 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - I think this should be changed. Other people could give better advice, maybe use use sliders/repeat sliders instead?
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This map has been taken off of ranked so many times now, wtf :C
Second Gonkanau
00:10:539 (4,6) - Not perfectly stacked
00:35:220 (1) - I'd remove the whistles. It covers entirely the actual sound of this part.
00:43:948 (2) - I Believe that this is how this part should be mapped: http://puu.sh/gk35X/8070978374.jpg You skip 3 beats that contribute to the rhythm of the song by adding a slider here.
00:51:039 (3,1) - These should be unstacked . The beat changes here: 00:51:311 - and it doesn't indicate a stack with : 00:51:039 - , and this also messed up the NCing. Will require a small remapping here.
00:51:039 (3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) -as i said before. NCing here is doesn't match with the rhythm imo . Try starting the NC here: 00:51:039 - and change every 2 notes as you did.Will require some remapping.
00:53:220 (1) - also remove the NC here. unnecessary
01:28:811 - Why skip the beat here? o.O
01:51:039 (3,4,5,1) - This is too much of an . on this bpm and speed its breaking the flow too much .
02:07:334 (4) - Also agree on removing this.
02:13:130 (1) - I believe this should be changed to 1/2 slider + note , like this: http://puu.sh/gk4xz/74801e3f81.jpg Don't forget the clap on slider tail.
02:16:675 - At this point the spacing is increasing incredibly until: 02:18:311 without an obvious reason apart from the "Stars" increase. Song sound the same as before. no volume increase, nothing strong making a hard change. anything
02:22:402 (1,2,3,4) - This is not appealing at all. no symmetry or anything , doesn't make sense :S
02:50:220 (1) - This should be extended to 02:50:902 - and a beat should be added here: 02:51:039 - . It fits the the rhythm very much. also add Clap @ 02:51:039 -
03:03:720 (6) - I believe this should be higher to improve the flow on 03:03:857 (1) - coz of the angle it has.
These are my 2 cents.
00:10:539 (4,6) - Not perfectly stacked
00:35:220 (1) - I'd remove the whistles. It covers entirely the actual sound of this part.
00:43:948 (2) - I Believe that this is how this part should be mapped: http://puu.sh/gk35X/8070978374.jpg You skip 3 beats that contribute to the rhythm of the song by adding a slider here.
00:51:039 (3,1) - These should be unstacked . The beat changes here: 00:51:311 - and it doesn't indicate a stack with : 00:51:039 - , and this also messed up the NCing. Will require a small remapping here.
00:51:039 (3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) -as i said before. NCing here is doesn't match with the rhythm imo . Try starting the NC here: 00:51:039 - and change every 2 notes as you did.Will require some remapping.
00:53:220 (1) - also remove the NC here. unnecessary
01:28:811 - Why skip the beat here? o.O
01:51:039 (3,4,5,1) - This is too much of an . on this bpm and speed its breaking the flow too much .
02:07:334 (4) - Also agree on removing this.
02:13:130 (1) - I believe this should be changed to 1/2 slider + note , like this: http://puu.sh/gk4xz/74801e3f81.jpg Don't forget the clap on slider tail.
02:16:675 - At this point the spacing is increasing incredibly until: 02:18:311 without an obvious reason apart from the "Stars" increase. Song sound the same as before. no volume increase, nothing strong making a hard change. anything
02:22:402 (1,2,3,4) - This is not appealing at all. no symmetry or anything , doesn't make sense :S
02:50:220 (1) - This should be extended to 02:50:902 - and a beat should be added here: 02:51:039 - . It fits the the rhythm very much. also add Clap @ 02:51:039 -
03:03:720 (6) - I believe this should be higher to improve the flow on 03:03:857 (1) - coz of the angle it has.
These are my 2 cents.
uhg fine, expect testplays and a mod from me, selfreminder
something
AR: Tested all from 9.5 to 10. 9.8 felt the most natural of them all. 9.9 may as well be 10 and 10 seems unnecessary.
OD: 9. See no reason for this to be below that considering difficulty of map. Already done.
00:15:311 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Slightly awkward throughout.
00:18:039 (1,2,3,4) - What is this supposed to be? (1) > awkward triangle (2,3,4)? Can be improved.
00:53:493 (1) - Something like http://puu.sh/gkiul/309a4f8675.png ?
00:57:720 (3) - Closer to (2) pls.
01:55:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Preferred old pattern with triplet > triplet > stream. If not, extreme spacing not required.
02:03:039 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - So awkward.
02:08:902 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4) - One of the patterns that I feel just doesn't work with this AR and is helped greatly by 9.8. Could potentially move 02:08:902 (2) - to the right, stack 02:09:039 (3) - with 02:09:448 (6,7,8) - and move 02:09:720 (9) - up?
02:22:402 (1,2,3,4) - Change again. These don't work as well as previous locations used.
End is fine.
00:15:311 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Slightly awkward throughout.
00:18:039 (1,2,3,4) - What is this supposed to be? (1) > awkward triangle (2,3,4)? Can be improved.
00:53:493 (1) - Something like http://puu.sh/gkiul/309a4f8675.png ?
00:57:720 (3) - Closer to (2) pls.
01:55:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Preferred old pattern with triplet > triplet > stream. If not, extreme spacing not required.
02:03:039 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - So awkward.
02:08:902 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4) - One of the patterns that I feel just doesn't work with this AR and is helped greatly by 9.8. Could potentially move 02:08:902 (2) - to the right, stack 02:09:039 (3) - with 02:09:448 (6,7,8) - and move 02:09:720 (9) - up?
02:22:402 (1,2,3,4) - Change again. These don't work as well as previous locations used.
End is fine.
LexiaLovesU wrote:
Yeah that's not modding that's you giving the mapper a code when the mapper doesn't even know what you changed
First suggest what you think could be improved that means use the times along with the reason why your suggestion this and how you think it should be changed. You have to allow the mapper to have the chance to see what you are suggesting not just giving them a code
Don't post anything complaining about the unrank its really not needed anymore
i want it ranked again man
nvm i thought u were talking about me rip
Topic Starter
ok finally I decide to give this map AR9.6, there won't be much gap between which and previous version (AR9.5).
And someone who thinks 9.5 too low should be able to feel more comfortable now.
Talk with me in-game if you still feel it's not fit enough now and have any other great idea
I'll reply mods later and try my best to re-requalify this map soon, thank you guys for supporting!
And someone who thinks 9.5 too low should be able to feel more comfortable now.
Talk with me in-game if you still feel it's not fit enough now and have any other great idea
I'll reply mods later and try my best to re-requalify this map soon, thank you guys for supporting!
totally agreeZantaria wrote:
rank HW maps but unrank this ....
did the jumps get easier or is this just the effect of 9.5->9.6?
wkyikawa's Couple Extra
00:01:130 (1,3) - Even though the sliders are correctly timed to the song's beat, the kick actually happens a 1/2 note before, and it makes the sliders feel very awkward
00:03:311 (1,3) - ^ Same
00:03:311 (4) - Same, but starts before the kick instead
00:06:584 (2) - Starts and ends in desync with the song's kick, same problem
00:08:766 (1) - This note is a tad bit late. Throw the speed down to 25% and you'll hear it crystal clear
That's all I have for now, but the map's pretty solid. I'll keep playing and see if there's anything else
00:01:130 (1,3) - Even though the sliders are correctly timed to the song's beat, the kick actually happens a 1/2 note before, and it makes the sliders feel very awkward
00:03:311 (1,3) - ^ Same
00:03:311 (4) - Same, but starts before the kick instead
00:06:584 (2) - Starts and ends in desync with the song's kick, same problem
00:08:766 (1) - This note is a tad bit late. Throw the speed down to 25% and you'll hear it crystal clear
That's all I have for now, but the map's pretty solid. I'll keep playing and see if there's anything else
Second Gonkanau
00:57:857 (1) - I believe it should be a finish N:C2 as you did here 01:52:402 (1) - and 03:04:402 (1) - here.
Oh and I agree that more you push the AR up better it will be. But it's doable anyway
No kd xD
Good luck ... >< Good luck ... ><
00:57:857 (1) - I believe it should be a finish N:C2 as you did here 01:52:402 (1) - and 03:04:402 (1) - here.
Oh and I agree that more you push the AR up better it will be. But it's doable anyway
No kd xD
Good luck ... >< Good luck ... ><
I never said I had the qualifications to say whether a map plays well or not, I'm just saying that maps shouldn't get de-ranked for non-technical stuff. I know now the names of at least some of the top PP players involved in play-testing this map, and I wont go into detail but I will say that I think it's a really bad idea to have non-QAT players decide the fate of a map. I retract my previous sentence where I said rrtyui and others should be contacted instead; in reality, no one should be.silmarilen wrote:
if, according to you, someone who has been in the top50 consistently for the past 3 years or so is not good enough to determine if this map plays well or not (which is laughable at it's own). how can you even have the nerves to think that you do?
Really, only QAT members should be involved. It's possible to tell whether a map is OK for ranking without having to get 97% accuracy on it, I mean, we have had harder stuff ranked like Airman, Atama no Taisou and that one MLP song ranked and there were no long-lasting controversies that followed. The philosophy that maps should play fair for the players is one I agree with, but for god sakes, this map doesn't even have a single flow-break in it... I played this map and I couldn't find any crazy artistry in it like I find in hanzer's maps, just very wide jumps and not much else.
This is a high-profile map, so let's not make the ranking process appear like a incoherent mess towards prospective mappers please. To me, that's the whole crux of the issue.
I think there is a strong argument to be made which would put AR:note density as something that is considered 'technical' with there being a correct ratio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this map had a lower AR than 9.5 (9.3, I think?) and wasn't quite 7 stars but still difficult and it played fine. Throughout all the remappings this has been through, the patterns have gotten more awkward and the AR hasn't scaled along well with it.Purple wrote:
I never said I had the qualifications to say whether a map plays well or not, I'm just saying that maps shouldn't get de-ranked for non-technical stuff. I know now the names of at least some of the top PP players involved in play-testing this map, and I wont go into detail but I will say that I think it's a really bad idea to have non-QAT players decide the fate of a map. I retract my previous sentence where I said rrtyui and others should be contacted instead; in reality, no one should be.
Really, only QAT members should be involved. It's possible to tell whether a map is OK for ranking without having to get 97% accuracy on it, I mean, we have had harder stuff ranked like Airman, Atama no Taisou and that one MLP song ranked and there were no long-lasting controversies that followed. The philosophy that maps should play fair for the players is one I agree with, but for god sakes, this map doesn't even have a single flow-break in it... I played this map and I couldn't find any crazy artistry in it like I find in hanzer's maps, just very wide jumps and not much else.
This is a high-profile map, so let's not make the ranking process appear like a incoherent mess towards prospective mappers please. To me, that's the whole crux of the issue.
Assuming anyone who is not a QAT is incapable of judging a map is equally as wrong as saying you can fully comprehend how a map plays out from the editor. There is nothing wrong with getting opinions from the target demographic of the map, especially considering how small of a group it is. I wouldn't be able to trust that the QAT did the job as well as they could if not one of their members could play the map and they did not reach out to those who could. So many mods are small things like hitsounding or snapping and that's really only half of it. It doesn't matter how technically sound a map is if it plays like absolute shit. Bringing in old maps that wouldn't be able to make it through the ranking system nowadays does not make for a strong argument. Airman is not even comparable to Pony Girl or Atama, it has simpler patterns with a higher AR.
EDIT: @Awaken, you really don't need to keep the star rating over 7 by randomly increasing the spacing every time you nerf a pattern.
I just read through this song for the first time, albeit with Relax since I'm not cool enough to play songs this hard, and as far as the patterns and AR go I didn't really see any glaring problems. I got about 98% accuracy with only a few random notes missed because, again, I'm not cool enough to do this flawlessly. What's the big argument over the map itself now? I don't really see anything wrong with it at the AR I just played it at, 9.6, and none of the patterns look -bad- so much as just difficult, but none of the rhythms seemed hard to read because of the AR or timing..
Am I missing something? Or are we all just arguing over the validity of opinions still with no real regard to the map?
tl;dr I'm not very qualified but the map seems fine to me, what's wrong with it?
Am I missing something? Or are we all just arguing over the validity of opinions still with no real regard to the map?
tl;dr I'm not very qualified but the map seems fine to me, what's wrong with it?
Okay so I played this map and (to my surprise) fairly comfortably passed, even though I miserably failed at several points of the maps (I'll talk about it later). I don't think this should be this easy to pass, and someone like me shouldn't be able to. I'd suggest to raise the HP drain a lot, probably to at least 8. This has no incidence on star rating, but I think it would make the map less forgiving and more interesting.
This map was fun. Really really hard, but fun.
I just have a few things to point out. In general, I dislike the use of 1/4 in this, which I find unintuitive (it might be me misreading or being unable to play this BPM, but I thought I'd give you this feedback). Talking about the hardest diff:
00:53:493 (1,2) - 00:57:857 (1,2) - 01:48:039 (1,2) - 01:51:584 (2,3) - 01:52:402 (1,2) - 03:02:493 (2,3) - for every pattern like this, although I understand what you're doing with the 3/4, I think a single 1/1 slider would play better. There's barely any 3/4 in the entire diff and I find them quite surprising and fairly annoying to play
01:01:130 (1) - 03:07:675 (1) - Those slowdowns always screwed me over because I didn't expect them, I think you should give those sliders a special shape to try to make them stand out more
01:14:220 (1,3) - 02:04:948 (1,2) - really really dislike this, you do not need this kind of gimmick in this map. The whole map is quite easy to read, so this stands out in a bad way
01:48:993 (1,2,3) - 01:51:175 (4,5,1) - 02:01:266 (2,3,4) - for the sake of consistency with the rest of the map and of movement, I think you should stack them and leave the unstacked streams to longer ones, this was surprising in the middle of the jumps (01:55:811 (2,3,4) - you can leave this one unstacked, as it goes with the following stream)
02:04:948 (1,2,3,4,1) - this was really confusing, I thought the slider ended on a blue tick and the stream started on the white one which is what I read from the spacing, I think you should keep the spacing consistent on that stream to avoid that kind of misreadings
02:06:720 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I completely failed on that stream, the movement is really weird and unintuitive, I can't think of anything off the top of my head but I think you should change this to make it play better
02:12:584 (1,2,3,4) - too big D:
02:14:220 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,1) - if this is what the map was unranked for I disagree, I SS'd this part and I didn't find it too difficult even though my aim is absolutely atrocious, it plays well and the patterns are intuitive enough, if anything the 1/4 sliderjumps through the map should be nerfed, but not the jump sections like this
02:22:402 (1,2,3,4) - this really really really needs to be nerfed
03:00:039 (1,2) - 03:04:402 (1,2) - make this 3/4+circle circle or 1/1+circle if you fixed my suggestion above for consistency !
My personal opinions on the map are that it's overmapped (yes) but it's not detrimental to it. The 1/4 jumps however feel overdone and I think they should be nerfed. Definitely a map I would find myself playing again, especially for the practice value.
Good luck getting this reranked, it's a decently fun map, I'm not too fond of the way it's made (inconsistencies and lack of structure but it's your choice) but it's definitely worth playing. Don't kd this, it's just an unorganize thoughts dump.
This map was fun. Really really hard, but fun.
I just have a few things to point out. In general, I dislike the use of 1/4 in this, which I find unintuitive (it might be me misreading or being unable to play this BPM, but I thought I'd give you this feedback). Talking about the hardest diff:
00:53:493 (1,2) - 00:57:857 (1,2) - 01:48:039 (1,2) - 01:51:584 (2,3) - 01:52:402 (1,2) - 03:02:493 (2,3) - for every pattern like this, although I understand what you're doing with the 3/4, I think a single 1/1 slider would play better. There's barely any 3/4 in the entire diff and I find them quite surprising and fairly annoying to play
01:01:130 (1) - 03:07:675 (1) - Those slowdowns always screwed me over because I didn't expect them, I think you should give those sliders a special shape to try to make them stand out more
01:14:220 (1,3) - 02:04:948 (1,2) - really really dislike this, you do not need this kind of gimmick in this map. The whole map is quite easy to read, so this stands out in a bad way
01:48:993 (1,2,3) - 01:51:175 (4,5,1) - 02:01:266 (2,3,4) - for the sake of consistency with the rest of the map and of movement, I think you should stack them and leave the unstacked streams to longer ones, this was surprising in the middle of the jumps (01:55:811 (2,3,4) - you can leave this one unstacked, as it goes with the following stream)
02:04:948 (1,2,3,4,1) - this was really confusing, I thought the slider ended on a blue tick and the stream started on the white one which is what I read from the spacing, I think you should keep the spacing consistent on that stream to avoid that kind of misreadings
02:06:720 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I completely failed on that stream, the movement is really weird and unintuitive, I can't think of anything off the top of my head but I think you should change this to make it play better
02:12:584 (1,2,3,4) - too big D:
02:14:220 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,1) - if this is what the map was unranked for I disagree, I SS'd this part and I didn't find it too difficult even though my aim is absolutely atrocious, it plays well and the patterns are intuitive enough, if anything the 1/4 sliderjumps through the map should be nerfed, but not the jump sections like this
02:22:402 (1,2,3,4) - this really really really needs to be nerfed
03:00:039 (1,2) - 03:04:402 (1,2) - make this 3/4+circle circle or 1/1+circle if you fixed my suggestion above for consistency !
My personal opinions on the map are that it's overmapped (yes) but it's not detrimental to it. The 1/4 jumps however feel overdone and I think they should be nerfed. Definitely a map I would find myself playing again, especially for the practice value.
Good luck getting this reranked, it's a decently fun map, I'm not too fond of the way it's made (inconsistencies and lack of structure but it's your choice) but it's definitely worth playing. Don't kd this, it's just an unorganize thoughts dump.
yo those 1/4 sliders at the beginning got no chill lol I'd recommend changing them imo doesn't fit the song well honestly but that is ur choice
00:12:584 (4,5,6) - and 00:22:948 (1,2,3) - and e.t.c.
ur choice i honestly dont think they fit but ya don't give me kd omfg
00:12:584 (4,5,6) - and 00:22:948 (1,2,3) - and e.t.c.
ur choice i honestly dont think they fit but ya don't give me kd omfg
VINXIS wrote:
yo those 1/4 sliders at the beginning got no chill lol I'd recommend changing them imo doesn't fit the song well honestly but that is ur choice
00:12:584 (4,5,6) - and 00:22:948 (1,2,3) - and e.t.c.
ur choice i honestly dont think they fit but ya don't give me kd omfg
so thirsty smh