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Poll 3: Sharing your bandwidth

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How do you feel about helping distribute maps you have downloaded?

I would share bandwidth only while osu! is open and active.
89
39.04%
I would be happy to share even while not playing osu! (idle at menu or systray icon).
125
54.82%
I am strongly against sharing my bandwidth.
14
6.14%
Total votes: 228
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bagnz0r
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peppy wrote:

It is a fact that I can't keep providing direct downloads for beatmaps to the level I currently am. Donations/subscriptions do not cover the costs of bandwidth. For example, a one month subscription ($4) will provide around 20gb of traffic, which depending on how outgoing the user that subscribed is, may only cover 3-4 users' traffic.

In the near future there will be the introduction of a peer to peer distribution system. It will mean some changes to how beatmaps are downloaded and loaded into osu!. For the purpose of this discussion, let us assume the system works perfectly and speed of downloads will not be affected.

I want to find out how people feel about sharing their bandwidth (outgoing) and how willing they are to help ensure availability of maps. Bandwidth usage will be optimised to have no effect on gameplay, and have a setting for usage when minimised/idle.
I told you that once peppy, why won't you use my server to distribute traffic? It's based in Poland. In fact, i can't provide much...
10GB for holding maps, 150GB mo. traffic and 6Mbps per-user DL cap... But it's always something. Once I'll get enough money to upgrade my server, you could even have 80GB for maps and 600GB mo. traffic.

Besides, speaking of P2P. You mean torrent? Because, that's the only solution for me. If so, that'd be cool. :P
Randy96
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Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
Pokebis
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Randy96 wrote:

Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?
RemmyX25
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Pokebis wrote:

Randy96 wrote:

Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?
There actually are ads. You just cant see them while logged in.
Randy96
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Really? Where? I logged off for a bit, but couldn't find them.
(Yeah, I disabled Adblock.)
RemmyX25
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First post of every thread.
awp
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BagnoGamer wrote:

Once I'll get enough money to upgrade my server, you could even have 80GB for maps and 600GB mo. traffic.
Thing is, I've seen osu! chew through this much bandwidth in a couple days. That was in 2008. Now, it might be possible to eat 600GB bandwidth in an afternoon.
Randy96
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I see, but that probably doesn't make too much revenue.
deadbeat
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I'd do it in a heartbeat if i could but sadly i can't yet. the speed here can be dam slow and my dad normally needs it for work...if it gets any slower it will become too impossible for him too work..once i get my own place i'll try help out thou :)
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Pokebis wrote:

Randy96 wrote:

Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?
I think it's more of a principle thing, since ads can make a webpage look awful, and many of them are animated, which usually annoys the hell out of users. Besides, more ads would only pay for a fraction of the bandwidth used.
Randy96
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@Loginer: I suppose it's better than nothing at the least.
Intermezzo
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Skyripper
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Kytoxid
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Skyripper wrote:

Well on my campus specifically, they monitor bandwidth usage in general. They tag high upload and download bandwidth activity and monitor those accounts for a few week period. After that they start a more forensic investigation.

I'm admittedly paranoid, and always keep my bandwidth usage to a minimum.
My Internet just gets cut off at 8 GB combined upload/download every week, and a warning gets posted on my door. (although they do also do some scanning for P2P stuff and whatnots)
anonymous_old
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P2P is a fantastic idea！undoubtedly, I'll support it！
Jeffro
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Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.
Randy96
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Jeffro wrote:

Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.
The thing with this is, some maps might have as many as 20 mirrors, while others might not have any.
The popularity of maps comes into factor if this is implemented.
Jeffro
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Jeffro

Randy96 wrote:

Jeffro wrote:

Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.
The thing with this is, some maps might have as many as 20 mirrors, while others might not have any.
The popularity of maps comes into factor if this is implemented.
Still this would be a good option for a whole load of maps or maybe someone could just give peppy full access so he could mirror all maps :)
Randy96
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I suppose.
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Randy96
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Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?

Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.
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Randy96 wrote:

Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?

Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.
Only power users would use this, I'd imagine, and it'd confuse normal users. The number of power users is too small for a gain, IMO.
Jeffro
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Jeffro

strager wrote:

Randy96 wrote:

Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?

Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.
Only power users would use this, I'd imagine, and it'd confuse normal users. The number of power users is too small for a gain, IMO.
Set mirror as default download and add a report this link is broken and if that happens let people download it from the official server.
rust45
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I just got into the P2P business, and I think this would be a great idea. I voted for option 1 cause I wasn't quite sure how it worked but now I want to vote for option 2.
alcoatjez
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alcoatjez
Option 2 here, I will share as much as I can.
Rankings would be nice, it will probably motivate me to leave my PC on more often.
Atmey
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Atmey
I would like to share my bandwidth, but my damn ISP limits uploading to 1/8 of downloading. As long as I can control the upload speed I wouldn't mind. which will be around 10kbs.
peppy
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Well it is good to see most of the response is positive hear.

From what I can see, not many are against the concept, but there definitely needs to be:
*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
*A statistic to show how much you are uploading, and rankings.

Touching on the mirror suggestion: I already have a system setup to manage mirrors, which involves two-way communication with the main server to ensure downloads are secure and throttled, as well as being automatically distributed. I previously made a call asking people who are willing to mirror maps, but the response was very small so find the p2p option a much more stable and future-proof path to take.

That said, considering I am almost exceeding my current bandwidth allowance (and can't afford to increase it further for the time being) I am happy to have offers for mirroring - just make sure you can spare at least 500gb of traffic and are hosting your mirror on non-shared hosting (unless you are sharing privately with friends). This means no godaddy/dreamhost/whatnot.
Skyripper
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peppy wrote:

*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
I change my answer to supporting this idea fully in this case.
Jeffro
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Jeffro

peppy wrote:

Well it is good to see most of the response is positive hear.

From what I can see, not many are against the concept, but there definitely needs to be:
*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
*A statistic to show how much you are uploading, and rankings.

Touching on the mirror suggestion: I already have a system setup to manage mirrors, which involves two-way communication with the main server to ensure downloads are secure and throttled, as well as being automatically distributed. I previously made a call asking people who are willing to mirror maps, but the response was very small so find the p2p option a much more stable and future-proof path to take.

That said, considering I am almost exceeding my current bandwidth allowance (and can't afford to increase it further for the time being) I am happy to have offers for mirroring - just make sure you can spare at least 500gb of traffic and are hosting your mirror on non-shared hosting (unless you are sharing privately with friends). This means no godaddy/dreamhost/whatnot.
Too bad I can't offer you one at the moment. Btw, what do you currently use for hosting the beatmaps? I'm curious to the stats. Also to the people with seedboxes here just install apache and help peppy out there :D
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Jeffro
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peppy wrote:

Tipping over 14tb/month at the moment...
Wow thats alot. We really should get a server which can run from a bandwidthless environment.
awp
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Yeah I don't think I can limit my distribution to a fixed value, so if I mirror, same old song and dance there. Over the limit, friends angry, server down
yaya
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if i can help others , i'll do it .
xlcwzx
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We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
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Please forgive my poor English.
Jeffro
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Jeffro

xlcwzx wrote:

We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
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Please forgive my poor English.
Good Idea, a no skin option would certainly help. Or either just make it so ppl can't get a score on incomplete maps.
Intermezzo
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xlcwzx wrote:

We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
That won't be a problem: p2p will be released concurrently with osz2 (which doesn't allow the deletion of skins / custom hitsounds). There also won't be any no-skin version, however there will still be a no-video version available to download for low-bandwidth users.
Jeffro
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Jeffro

Intermezzo wrote:

xlcwzx wrote:

We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
That won't be a problem: p2p will be released concurrently with osz2 (which doesn't allow the deletion of skins / custom hitsounds). There also won't be any no-skin version, however there will still be a no-video version available to download for low-bandwidth users.
Nice, this would be good :D
tudanmeng
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Maybe BT is a good way to solve this problem?
anonymous_old
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tudanmeng wrote:

Maybe BT is a good way to solve this problem?
............................
nardii
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strager, why don't you stop with the bullshit and actually seriously reply to something for once. Like this:

tudanmeng wrote:

Maybe BT is a good way to solve this problem?
No (well yes kinda but no).
Curisu
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Curisu
object 2 :I would be happy to share even while not playing osu! (idle at menu or systray icon).
We should share our bandwidth
I'd love to
Jeffro
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Jeffro
I'm still wondering, how would this work for pending maps?
awp
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could share just the audio file + any unchanged elements, and get the .osu files directly from the osu! server (as is now)
finalprodigy
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object 2

I'm happy to share when osu! is running.
Macworld
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Macworld
object 2 :)
sanqian_old
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sanqian_old
how do i vote?
i want to choose 2
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sanqian wrote:

how do i vote?
i want to choose 2
Voting expired.
cgy343528
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object 2 ~ :D
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
i dont know is this legal?

but i would also support this when osu is started
zagrom_old
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zagrom_old
i dont know is this legal?
I assume you say this because the feature in question is like torrenting, Yes?
Torrents ARE NOT illegal, its the content on them that is. In this case, yes it
would be legal.

I would be fine sharing bandwidth, I would go as far as to say I would share some
off my own website if such a thing could be managed, (Tho limiting that ammout
would be important) We never come anywhere close to what I pay for XD
Might as well try and get the moneys worth, ya?
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
but the content of this is copyrighted music?
peppy
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Hanyuu wrote:

but the content of this is copyrighted music?
Whilt there may be some copyrighted content on osu!, I don't condone of this and it will be removed should there be complaints from copyright holders. Besides, I'm pretty sure some of the maps you have uploaded are using unlicensed music, so you are adding to the problem if anything.
zagrom_old
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zagrom_old

Hanyuu wrote:

but the content of this is copyrighted music?
Good point, very observant. (brings me to something I have been curious about myself)
Well then the question isn't if using a torrent like system is illegal, its weather
or not Osu! itself is already breaking laws for distributing it music the way it
does as it is now.

I personally have wondered how this was ok, I mean enough people support
and play Osu! I mean its not like a hidden secret that you get the songs mp3
with every download. But hell, you can go to youtube and use audacity to
get a song, that is if not torrenting the entire album already. (I know I do)

so to be nonchalant about it, who cares?
Osu! is a great game ether way.

I honestly can answer your question much better, yes, the music is copyrighted,
but, no offense with this, You are a VERY active Osu! member, this hasn't bothered
you before obviously.

EDIT: Well darn, Peppy beat me to the post XD
complaints from copyright holders
A very valid point I forgot to mention, its up to the coppyright holders to prevent it,
all they gota do is complain and the problem is generally solved.
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
oh yeah i have not even thought of this lol.
i am all for this idea now
needle666_old
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needle666_old
YES
I would be happy to share even while not playing osu!
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peppy
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Pikachu, I choose YOU.
awp
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Pikachu is dead. You haven't fed it in two months.
Azure_Kite
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awp wrote:

Pikachu is dead. You haven't fed it in two months.
That was Squirtle. Pikachu hadn't been fed for years.
Yasa
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Yasa
I am all for it... (2)
BUT, it'd be a bit of a problem for people on ultra low bandwidth such as myself (The joys of living too far from the exchange)... But by having the option to turn it off stingy people might just turn it off... Ultimately though, I am for it, not like in my current situation I can play osu! to have my bandwidth used anyway (damned slow computer D:)

tl;dr FUCK YEAH P2P
Digikid13
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Digikid13
I would love to start sharing my Bandwidth, when I start college, cause I can leave my Comp.on all the time.
mrtn
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I'm a bit too late but I would choose option 2. We have to note the legal implications here though. When this is implemented all osu-ers are liable to illegal file-sharing charges.
Azure_Kite
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mrtn wrote:

I'm a bit too late but I would choose option 2. We have to note the legal implications here though. When this is implemented all osu-ers are liable to illegal file-sharing charges.
Uhm, is that not already the case?
[KEKE]
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2
O(∩_∩)O
miku
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miku
i chose 2~~
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Claudia_old
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Err, how do we find out how much bandwidth we have?

Depending on how much I have i'd be willing to share...I don't think mine has a limit, nor do I use anywheres near all of it...
Crakila
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Crakila
I leave my computer on all the time.. I am happy to help the community.

Number 2 :D
Derekku
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E-Hooker wrote:

Err, how do we find out how much bandwidth we have?

Depending on how much I have i'd be willing to share...I don't think mine has a limit, nor do I use anywheres near all of it...
You would most likely need to contact your ISP to see what your monthly bandwidth is.
XenoWarrior
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I know I'm very late in this topic, but I actually wouldn't mind with helping out with distributing maps from my osu! library. I mainly seed stuff on uTorrent without my internet browsing being affected so I don't see why not. :)
Upload speeds reach about 2/5mb and internet cap is unlimited. :)
Ataman
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Ataman
I would be happy to provide bandwith.
My ISP probably won't.
XenoWarrior
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XenoWarrior
Hmmm, this seems like a good idea to me. There could be a separate application that does this in the background, whilst allowing you to continue playing osu! I would seed the maps I have as I've only payed for supporter once so far (I will do again soon :D) But as I've downloaded quite a bit in my time on osu! I'd be more than happy to help :)
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