Just want to throw this out. If a user is distributing an audio file that may be copyrighted they could be sued. I'm pretty sure a large majority of the songs hosted here aren't licensed to be distributed here in the first place. This puts normal users on the spot for distributing copyrighted works. If one user gets heavy traffic their ISP could notice and put penalties on them and copyright owners could sue the user for distributing their works. I feel it would be best not to put the user in that much legal danger.
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Poll 3: Sharing your bandwidth
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How do you feel about helping distribute maps you have downloaded?
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yeah I would disable this feature if possible (if implemented)Pokebis wrote:
Just want to throw this out. If a user is distributing an audio file that may be copyrighted they could be sued. I'm pretty sure a large majority of the songs hosted here aren't licensed to be distributed here in the first place. This puts normal users on the spot for distributing copyrighted works. If one user gets heavy traffic their ISP could notice and put penalties on them and copyright owners could sue the user for distributing their works. I feel it would be best not to put the user in that much legal danger.
On that note, it would also be nice to control which songs I want to distribute and which ones I don't. Some of the songs on here carry a much higher chance of legal penalties than others.Pokebis wrote:
Just want to throw this out. If a user is distributing an audio file that may be copyrighted they could be sued. I'm pretty sure a large majority of the songs hosted here aren't licensed to be distributed here in the first place. This puts normal users on the spot for distributing copyrighted works. If one user gets heavy traffic their ISP could notice and put penalties on them and copyright owners could sue the user for distributing their works. I feel it would be best not to put the user in that much legal danger.
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I told you that once peppy, why won't you use my server to distribute traffic? It's based in Poland. In fact, i can't provide much...peppy wrote:
It is a fact that I can't keep providing direct downloads for beatmaps to the level I currently am. Donations/subscriptions do not cover the costs of bandwidth. For example, a one month subscription ($4) will provide around 20gb of traffic, which depending on how outgoing the user that subscribed is, may only cover 3-4 users' traffic.
In the near future there will be the introduction of a peer to peer distribution system. It will mean some changes to how beatmaps are downloaded and loaded into osu!. For the purpose of this discussion, let us assume the system works perfectly and speed of downloads will not be affected.
I want to find out how people feel about sharing their bandwidth (outgoing) and how willing they are to help ensure availability of maps. Bandwidth usage will be optimised to have no effect on gameplay, and have a setting for usage when minimised/idle.
10GB for holding maps, 150GB mo. traffic and 6Mbps per-user DL cap... But it's always something. Once I'll get enough money to upgrade my server, you could even have 80GB for maps and 600GB mo. traffic.
Besides, speaking of P2P. You mean torrent? Because, that's the only solution for me. If so, that'd be cool.
Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?Randy96 wrote:
Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
There actually are ads. You just cant see them while logged in.Pokebis wrote:
I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?Randy96 wrote:
Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
Really? Where? I logged off for a bit, but couldn't find them.
(Yeah, I disabled Adblock.)
(Yeah, I disabled Adblock.)
First post of every thread.
Thing is, I've seen osu! chew through this much bandwidth in a couple days. That was in 2008. Now, it might be possible to eat 600GB bandwidth in an afternoon.BagnoGamer wrote:
Once I'll get enough money to upgrade my server, you could even have 80GB for maps and 600GB mo. traffic.
I see, but that probably doesn't make too much revenue.
I'd do it in a heartbeat if i could but sadly i can't yet. the speed here can be dam slow and my dad normally needs it for work...if it gets any slower it will become too impossible for him too work..once i get my own place i'll try help out thou 
I think it's more of a principle thing, since ads can make a webpage look awful, and many of them are animated, which usually annoys the hell out of users. Besides, more ads would only pay for a fraction of the bandwidth used.Pokebis wrote:
I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?Randy96 wrote:
Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.
@Loginer: I suppose it's better than nothing at the least.
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My Internet just gets cut off at 8 GB combined upload/download every week, and a warning gets posted on my door. (although they do also do some scanning for P2P stuff and whatnots)Skyripper wrote:
Well on my campus specifically, they monitor bandwidth usage in general. They tag high upload and download bandwidth activity and monitor those accounts for a few week period. After that they start a more forensic investigation.
I'm admittedly paranoid, and always keep my bandwidth usage to a minimum.
P2P is a fantastic idea！undoubtedly, I'll support it！
Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.
The thing with this is, some maps might have as many as 20 mirrors, while others might not have any.Jeffro wrote:
Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.
The popularity of maps comes into factor if this is implemented.
Still this would be a good option for a whole load of maps or maybe someone could just give peppy full access so he could mirror all mapsRandy96 wrote:
The thing with this is, some maps might have as many as 20 mirrors, while others might not have any.Jeffro wrote:
Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.
The popularity of maps comes into factor if this is implemented.
I suppose.
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Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?
Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.
Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.
Only power users would use this, I'd imagine, and it'd confuse normal users. The number of power users is too small for a gain, IMO.Randy96 wrote:
Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?
Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.
Set mirror as default download and add a report this link is broken and if that happens let people download it from the official server.strager wrote:
Only power users would use this, I'd imagine, and it'd confuse normal users. The number of power users is too small for a gain, IMO.Randy96 wrote:
Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?
Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.
I just got into the P2P business, and I think this would be a great idea. I voted for option 1 cause I wasn't quite sure how it worked but now I want to vote for option 2.
Option 2 here, I will share as much as I can.
Rankings would be nice, it will probably motivate me to leave my PC on more often.
Rankings would be nice, it will probably motivate me to leave my PC on more often.
I would like to share my bandwidth, but my damn ISP limits uploading to 1/8 of downloading. As long as I can control the upload speed I wouldn't mind. which will be around 10kbs.
Topic Starter
Well it is good to see most of the response is positive hear.
From what I can see, not many are against the concept, but there definitely needs to be:
*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
*A statistic to show how much you are uploading, and rankings.
Touching on the mirror suggestion: I already have a system setup to manage mirrors, which involves two-way communication with the main server to ensure downloads are secure and throttled, as well as being automatically distributed. I previously made a call asking people who are willing to mirror maps, but the response was very small so find the p2p option a much more stable and future-proof path to take.
That said, considering I am almost exceeding my current bandwidth allowance (and can't afford to increase it further for the time being) I am happy to have offers for mirroring - just make sure you can spare at least 500gb of traffic and are hosting your mirror on non-shared hosting (unless you are sharing privately with friends). This means no godaddy/dreamhost/whatnot.
From what I can see, not many are against the concept, but there definitely needs to be:
*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
*A statistic to show how much you are uploading, and rankings.
Touching on the mirror suggestion: I already have a system setup to manage mirrors, which involves two-way communication with the main server to ensure downloads are secure and throttled, as well as being automatically distributed. I previously made a call asking people who are willing to mirror maps, but the response was very small so find the p2p option a much more stable and future-proof path to take.
That said, considering I am almost exceeding my current bandwidth allowance (and can't afford to increase it further for the time being) I am happy to have offers for mirroring - just make sure you can spare at least 500gb of traffic and are hosting your mirror on non-shared hosting (unless you are sharing privately with friends). This means no godaddy/dreamhost/whatnot.
I change my answer to supporting this idea fully in this case.peppy wrote:
*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
Too bad I can't offer you one at the moment. Btw, what do you currently use for hosting the beatmaps? I'm curious to the stats. Also to the people with seedboxes here just install apache and help peppy out therepeppy wrote:
Well it is good to see most of the response is positive hear.
From what I can see, not many are against the concept, but there definitely needs to be:
*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
*A statistic to show how much you are uploading, and rankings.
Touching on the mirror suggestion: I already have a system setup to manage mirrors, which involves two-way communication with the main server to ensure downloads are secure and throttled, as well as being automatically distributed. I previously made a call asking people who are willing to mirror maps, but the response was very small so find the p2p option a much more stable and future-proof path to take.
That said, considering I am almost exceeding my current bandwidth allowance (and can't afford to increase it further for the time being) I am happy to have offers for mirroring - just make sure you can spare at least 500gb of traffic and are hosting your mirror on non-shared hosting (unless you are sharing privately with friends). This means no godaddy/dreamhost/whatnot.
Topic Starter
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Wow thats alot. We really should get a server which can run from a bandwidthless environment.peppy wrote:
Tipping over 14tb/month at the moment...
Yeah I don't think I can limit my distribution to a fixed value, so if I mirror, same old song and dance there. Over the limit, friends angry, server down
if i can help others , i'll do it .
We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
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But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
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Good Idea, a no skin option would certainly help. Or either just make it so ppl can't get a score on incomplete maps.xlcwzx wrote:
We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
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Please forgive my poor English.
That won't be a problem: p2p will be released concurrently with osz2 (which doesn't allow the deletion of skins / custom hitsounds). There also won't be any no-skin version, however there will still be a no-video version available to download for low-bandwidth users.xlcwzx wrote:
We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
Nice, this would be goodIntermezzo wrote:
That won't be a problem: p2p will be released concurrently with osz2 (which doesn't allow the deletion of skins / custom hitsounds). There also won't be any no-skin version, however there will still be a no-video version available to download for low-bandwidth users.xlcwzx wrote:
We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".