Card N'FoRcE wrote:

There's something i don't uderstand about option 2: we can have an external service running to keep sharing, but has the user any power about "when" it's active?
I mean, i'm fine with both an internal (that would be opt 1, closing when osu is closed) or an external (opt 2, active even if osu is not running) solution, but i really think we should also get some way to monitor and turn this off sometimes.

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

The main problem about this argument is that if too many people turn sharing off, we get lots of leechers/peers but no seeds.

Real1 wrote:

Ohh ohh ohh, 1 kudosu per 100mb uploaded!!! Add that!! With a max of, say 10 kudosu per day.

awp wrote:

personally I'd be perfectly happy with a leaderboard for seeding ratio; I'd actually have a chance to top a chart ={

awp wrote:

personally I'd be perfectly happy with a leaderboard for seeding ratio; I'd actually have a chance to top a chart ={

Pokebis wrote:

Use more mediafire.

Pokebis wrote:

Just want to throw this out. If a user is distributing an audio file that may be copyrighted they could be sued. I'm pretty sure a large majority of the songs hosted here aren't licensed to be distributed here in the first place. This puts normal users on the spot for distributing copyrighted works. If one user gets heavy traffic their ISP could notice and put penalties on them and copyright owners could sue the user for distributing their works. I feel it would be best not to put the user in that much legal danger.

Pokebis wrote:

Just want to throw this out. If a user is distributing an audio file that may be copyrighted they could be sued. I'm pretty sure a large majority of the songs hosted here aren't licensed to be distributed here in the first place. This puts normal users on the spot for distributing copyrighted works. If one user gets heavy traffic their ISP could notice and put penalties on them and copyright owners could sue the user for distributing their works. I feel it would be best not to put the user in that much legal danger.

peppy wrote:

It is a fact that I can't keep providing direct downloads for beatmaps to the level I currently am. Donations/subscriptions do not cover the costs of bandwidth. For example, a one month subscription ($4) will provide around 20gb of traffic, which depending on how outgoing the user that subscribed is, may only cover 3-4 users' traffic.

In the near future there will be the introduction of a peer to peer distribution system. It will mean some changes to how beatmaps are downloaded and loaded into osu!. For the purpose of this discussion, let us assume the system works perfectly and speed of downloads will not be affected.

I want to find out how people feel about sharing their bandwidth (outgoing) and how willing they are to help ensure availability of maps. Bandwidth usage will be optimised to have no effect on gameplay, and have a setting for usage when minimised/idle.

Randy96 wrote:

Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.

Pokebis wrote:

Randy96 wrote:

Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.

I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?

BagnoGamer wrote:

Once I'll get enough money to upgrade my server, you could even have 80GB for maps and 600GB mo. traffic.

Pokebis wrote:

Randy96 wrote:

Considering all the issues at hand (bandwidth limits, college/uni stuff, legal implications), you could always resort to *gulp* advertisements.

I thought ads were a good idea from the beginning. I don't understand why peppy doesn't want them. You've got the kind of community that would click them. And those crazy otaku stores love to advertise in places like this. The computer literate people that don't want to see them won't. What's the issue?

Skyripper wrote:

Well on my campus specifically, they monitor bandwidth usage in general. They tag high upload and download bandwidth activity and monitor those accounts for a few week period. After that they start a more forensic investigation.

I'm admittedly paranoid, and always keep my bandwidth usage to a minimum.

Jeffro wrote:

Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.

Randy96 wrote:

Jeffro wrote:

Maybe I can give another suggestion: How about giving users the option of users uploading most of the beatmaps to their own server and be able to add it to the download as a mirror. So people could actually choose where to download those maps.

The thing with this is, some maps might have as many as 20 mirrors, while others might not have any.
The popularity of maps comes into factor if this is implemented.

Randy96 wrote:

Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?

Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.

strager wrote:

Randy96 wrote:

Perhaps there could be different buttons for different mirrors?

Like [Download] [Download from Mirrors]
[Download] will just be what we have now, and if [Download from Mirrors] is selected, a list will be brought up and the user could choose the preferred mirror.

Only power users would use this, I'd imagine, and it'd confuse normal users. The number of power users is too small for a gain, IMO.

peppy wrote:

*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).

peppy wrote:

Well it is good to see most of the response is positive hear.

From what I can see, not many are against the concept, but there definitely needs to be:
*A user-set maximum speed limit.
*The option to disable altogether (with the possibility of a slight speed limitation in heavy load situations).
*A statistic to show how much you are uploading, and rankings.

Touching on the mirror suggestion: I already have a system setup to manage mirrors, which involves two-way communication with the main server to ensure downloads are secure and throttled, as well as being automatically distributed. I previously made a call asking people who are willing to mirror maps, but the response was very small so find the p2p option a much more stable and future-proof path to take.

That said, considering I am almost exceeding my current bandwidth allowance (and can't afford to increase it further for the time being) I am happy to have offers for mirroring - just make sure you can spare at least 500gb of traffic and are hosting your mirror on non-shared hosting (unless you are sharing privately with friends). This means no godaddy/dreamhost/whatnot.

peppy wrote:

Tipping over 14tb/month at the moment...

xlcwzx wrote:

We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".
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xlcwzx wrote:

We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".

Intermezzo wrote:

xlcwzx wrote:

We know that quite a number of people just delete the skins and videos in a map, so that they won't be disturbed and can get better scores. Such kind of people are mostly those good at this game, at the same time those who have more maps, so I think they will be the main point in this P2P system.
But as I've pointed out, if they've cut most of the skins and videos, there's only the .osu file remained to be uploaded.
So I suppose it's time that something should be done to encourage them to keep the skins and videos, maybe a mod called "no skin", just like the "no video".

That won't be a problem: p2p will be released concurrently with osz2 (which doesn't allow the deletion of skins / custom hitsounds). There also won't be any no-skin version, however there will still be a no-video version available to download for low-bandwidth users.

tudanmeng wrote:

Maybe BT is a good way to solve this problem?

tudanmeng wrote:

Maybe BT is a good way to solve this problem?

sanqian wrote:

how do i vote?
i want to choose 2

i dont know is this legal?

Hanyuu wrote:

but the content of this is copyrighted music?

Hanyuu wrote:

but the content of this is copyrighted music?

complaints from copyright holders

awp wrote:

Pikachu is dead. You haven't fed it in two months.

mrtn wrote:

I'm a bit too late but I would choose option 2. We have to note the legal implications here though. When this is implemented all osu-ers are liable to illegal file-sharing charges.

E-Hooker wrote:

Err, how do we find out how much bandwidth we have?

Depending on how much I have i'd be willing to share...I don't think mine has a limit, nor do I use anywheres near all of it...