So I be like "Ima get a quick win and get back to doing the economics course project",



But then I be all like "Fuck economics anyway".

Bottom to top

• Jungler disconnects for the whole early game while top laner is feeding Fiora like she's recovering from anorexy. Kassadin is not banned, not denied and not on our team.
  
  Fellow goes support Malphite, has some autism attacks leading into lane loss, rest of the team too busy calling him a retard to pay attention to own position in fights. Couldn't clear up shit after losing 1350 gold on Hexdrinker to survive Rumble+LB/Lee top lane tent pitching + Leona on my ass with an oracle.
  
  Eve 1v5s a few times denying an early finish, after that Wukong knocks up people with no real countermeasure from us, everyone blames everyone else for shit positioning.
  
  Everyone gets wrecked, I somehow carry us back to even or maybe even slightly ahead, Caitlyn denies me a well earned pentakill in process, I pay no mind to that though, then after we all agree to a top lane push after getting mid inhibitor, Brand forgets what is Vi, Leona and LeBlanc are, dies, we lose baron and 2 more guys in a hopeless attempt to steal, Caitlyn dies in base forgetting what LeBlanc is.
  
  Malzahar game was just an asylum unleashed.
  
  And ironically the Quinn win was just as much of a one sided stomp where my role mattered little to none as previous games. We denied bot lane pretty heavily, but I could probably fly around the map killing both golem spawns and we'd still win

I know people like saying stuff that "if you didn't win, you didn't carry enough" that is often pretty bullshit. Some games are destined to be lost or won. I don't pay no mind to mistakes my teammates do during the game other than trying to figure out how to get us out of the shit swamp we're knee-deep in neither I blame them in chat, that's a stupid thing to do. But I'm not gonna try to find a reason for loss in my actions when there was none. I keep track of things I could've done better but if I know that it wouldn't change the end result, I won't place the blame on myself.

Whenever I play as a mid, it's always, always the bot lane that manages to screw something up. The worst Lv30 game that I played consisted of a graves that was going 0/8 at 10 minutes. It was agony for a LeBlanc player like myself ;_;

I played a ranked game today and had server-side lag while having steady 30 ping and not downloading anything. I couldn't do anything in lane for 10 minutes when it finally stopped dc'ing me. I went on going 6-2 though but we lost anyway. Anyway, after they finished I saw that I lost 17 points while the error message in the client said that ranked was disabled and when clicking for more information it said that Loss Forgiven was enabled? :/. Oh well, I don't care much about it anyway.

Edit: I've been in queue for like 57 minutes and I didn't notice I was still in it. It somehow found me a match while the server is offline lol. I was the only one that accepted though xD

Re-edit: Holy shit, 5 servers offline?

TKiller wrote:

I know people like saying stuff that "if you didn't win, you didn't carry enough" that is often pretty bullshit.

Not pretty bullshit, I'd call it complete bullshit. You can't blame a loss because a carry didn't carry. Everybody contributes to a win or a lose. People should accept that.

Also is there really any true carry champs in league? Your supposed "carry" can still get completely insta killed by some dude waiting to rape you in the bushes or something. This isn't DOTA where the single carry can handle pretty much everything.

You have people who just don't want to win so you have very little control over the outcome to some games because of that. Honestly telling someone they didn't win because they didn't carry hard enough is kinda BM.

Vulf wrote:

You have people who just don't want to win so you have very little control over the outcome to some games because of that. Honestly telling someone they didn't win because they didn't carry hard enough is kinda BM.

This, I hate it when people in my team try to surrend min 20 just because of the enemy's little advantage. I know they're not even gonna try and they'll just let the enemy team widen it

Don't you just love it when you're in normal queue and the moment the champion select start 3 guys instalock mid and then call eachother noobs?

Oh the irony.

anyone up to play normals on euw? if theres enough people from here anyways there should be a chatroom too :O

Lonach wrote:

Don't you just love it when you're in normal queue and the moment the champion select start 3 guys instalock mid and then call eachother noobs?
Oh the irony.

Its quite common but hey that has always been around on the marvelous world of LoL

f i z i k wrote:

anyone up to play normals on euw? if theres enough people from here anyways there should be a chatroom too :O

I play on EUW but if anyone is up to make an idea for a chat room that would be cool.

Yeah i also play on Euw maybe we should make one and just call it osu!

Yea I just joined in,it's called osu! - maybe we can find some people

http://www.gosugamers.net/lol/news/2712 ... ng-scandal

http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/society/201 ... 51051.HTML

Holy shit. How did he even survive that jump... I hope he recovers with as less permanent damage as possible. This is sad

drama is fun

After a tiring 4 minute standoff at last enemy mid turret that lead to absolutely nothing, my team scatters around, so does the enemy. I look at the enemy Gragas up top, at our creeps knocking on enemy inhibitor turret, at 40 minutes ingame timer and pull of a next level bait.

I just fucking go bot and start whacking creeps. Very soon enemy Caitlyn comes and starts "baiting" me. I play dumb and start fighting her, doing heavy damage, soon, but not soon enough here come Riven with ult up and Thresh using his box to keep me away from adc. I get Cait to use barrier and die.

Now these silly fuckers are about to push mid lane, hey, 4v5. But they don't know platinum as I know it. Platinum tier of League ladder is my nemesis, my passionate hate. I understand them better than they understand themselves.

What they actually do: Caitlyn has to recall after being nearly dropped, Gragas is finishing last creeps top before recalling, Riven seeing this goes for those sweet sweet wraiths instead of starting to push mid lane herself. What this leads to is that they don't have time to drop turret and I respawn right before their towerdive move where they are 2 ults and 1 summoner down while our team is lock'n'loaded.

We ace and we end the game with me tanking and two other survivors.

I AM THE TRUE SOLO QUEUE GENIUS.

Also Garen skin for twitter follow. Riot promo stuff.

Jordan wrote:

http://www.gosugamers.net/lol/news/27122-former-ahq-korea-marksman-attempts-suicide-following-matchfixing-scandal

http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/society/201 ... 51051.HTML

Holy shit. How did he even survive that jump... I hope he recovers with as less permanent damage as possible. This is sad

i feel really sorry for the kid, doesn't deserve any of this shit. there are donation funds open for his treatment and he's received a lot of positive attention from people like wickd and montecristo, so with any luck he'll be able to make it

New queue order is shit. Complete bullshit. I haven't been last pick more often. I was already in promo for Plat but now I dropped all the fucking way down again because I keep having to go support. Fuck this retarded shit. Might as well commit suicide.

BrokenArrow wrote:

Might as well commit suicide.

I don't think this is the right time to say some thing like that :s

This is the perfect time to say that.
Also this is getting really out of hand, 14 out of my 20 last games I was either last pick or 4th pick (which is the same on red side). Seriously fuck this.
I'm really pissed at the moment. Not only do I have to bother all this retarded school stuff 12 hours a day which I will never need in my life anyways and then I get home and with the little time I have I straight up lose 5 games in a row because I have to support basically all the time.

Brb watching porn instead. Fuck this game.

tyrael6192 wrote:

i feel really sorry for the kid, doesn't deserve any of this shit.

What makes it even sadder is that AHQ Korea was ridiculously talented team and Promise might have been considered a top tier AD carry today if their manager wasn't a douchebag. Everything he worked for got destroyed for nothing.

BrokenArrow wrote:

Brb watching porn instead.

Porn is baaaad for you bro

BrokenArrow wrote:

This is the perfect time to say that.
Also this is getting really out of hand, 14 out of my 20 last games I was either last pick or 4th pick (which is the same on red side). Seriously fuck this.
I'm really pissed at the moment. Not only do I have to bother all this retarded school stuff 12 hours a day which I will never need in my life anyways and then I get home and with the little time I have I straight up lose 5 games in a row because I have to support basically all the time.

Brb watching porn instead. Fuck this game.

tl;dr: you have no clue how to support and thats why you lose

If the game is that frustrating just take a long break from it. Not talking about a couple of days I mean a couple of weeks or more. Been there and done that at least 5 times since I started playing league due to it's beyond terrible balance. Honestly if it's as bad as you wanting to kill yourself (I know you are joking) It's probably not going to get any better in the long run.

I found playing another MOBA or a completely new game helps a lot. I started playing Smite a few months ago and that alone made me appreciate a few things league has/does. I used to get frustrated with leagues matchmaking until I started playing smite and dota 2. That's at least something LoL has done right for the most part imo.

support carries so hard now lol

i see annies in high elo solo queue oneshotting ad carries with her combo

thresh will always be strong and he is un-nerfable

Sankaritarina wrote:

tyrael6192 wrote:

i feel really sorry for the kid, doesn't deserve any of this shit.

What makes it even sadder is that AHQ Korea was ridiculously talented team and Promise might have been considered a top tier AD carry today if their manager wasn't a douchebag. Everything he worked for got destroyed for nothing.

What's also sad is that his father abandoned him and his family when he was 15 years old in a house with no heating and basically no food. Bascially League progaming was all that he had left and the coach fucked that up.

Toxic community yes , ragers yes , fucking noobs yes ! , but look at this the community already reased more then 10 000 $ that's just awsome i am realy touched by this , you see in the end the league of legends community has awsome people

As of right now, within Korean, about 300 people have donated and the bank account shows that we have collected 8,943,915 KRW (about $8400 USD)
We are still receiving donations and so I'm sure the total amount is a bit more than what we have reported here.

Additionally, it is incredible that many foreign fans have also participated in this event.
Famous LoL commentator MonteCristo let us know that many from overseas wanted to help as well, so we created a Paypal account and so far, over 700 people have participated.
As of right now, as we write this article, we can report that $11,992.17 USD (after Paypal fees) has been collected, which is about 12,850,000 KRW.

original source: http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2653&query=view&p=1&my=&category=&sort=PID&orderby=&where=&name=&subject=&content=&keyword=&sterm=&iskin=&mskin=&l=7266651

and i don't think these sums include the money made by all the streamers ( maknoon, wickd etc) through ad revenue and donations or the TSM/CLG pledges where 100% and 50% respectively of all purchases will go to promise

Damn dunno what to watch , OGN ore IEM

I tried
Our Nexus was open and they lost 3 teamfights in a row at our nexus because they tried to kill it instead of us
Then we sneaked 2 barons
and in the last teamfight Jinx didn't grab the lantern and got oneshot
But I almost learned how to carry with Lee, just a bit more..

TIL Lee deals pretty good damage even if you rush 3 defensives after your first dmg item (had to go QSS for Malz because he would focus me, Randuins for attack speed slow for Cait and Jax and GA for in case I fail my insec)

I love seeing gambit feed! LOL
Overrated team.

group B = group free

i'm impatient for the Rolster stomps

KT Bullets look good but not unbeatable. iG almost beat them but then baron throws :/

EU scene is dead they said
Gambit are finished they said
now EU is the scene with the most teams still in IEM

Thats the power of Gambit Gaming <3

Vulf wrote:

I love seeing gambit feed! LOL
Overrated team.

Gambit is not overrated. CJ Frost is probably the only team in the world that has better record on international turnaments (not counting teams that took part in one international tournament like SKT T1 K). Gambit hype on events like IEM is based on facts and stats.

Elo boosters everywhere.

lol whats the point?

P r o m i s e s wrote:

Elo boosters everywhere.

How is being Bronze 5 considered eloboosting?

Holy fuck

Sankaritarina wrote:

Gambit is not overrated. CJ Frost is probably the only team in the world that has better record on international turnaments (not counting teams that took part in one international tournament like SKT T1 K). Gambit hype on events like IEM is based on facts and stats.

Go read reddit.

BrokenArrow wrote:

P r o m i s e s wrote:

Elo boosters everywhere.

How is being Bronze 5 considered eloboosting?

Look at those Trynd and Garen stats. LOL
Most likely someones duo queue smurf to abuse ranked matchmaking for easier games. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were elo boosting others with that account.

Edit: Apparently "Summoner 4" is the same person.

BrokenArrow wrote:

P r o m i s e s wrote:

Elo boosters everywhere.

How is being Bronze 5 considered eloboosting?

He purposely gets himself in Bronze 5 while he probably is someone from diamond 1. He duo's with someone for money, and carries the person he's duo-ing with. He avoids winning his promo's by playing garen and/or nunu and feeding hard.
Last time I checked he duo'ed with someone named "WeLoveYouTeoLite" and he was silver 3. He's now gold 5 lol

*EDIT* Found another one lol http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/519 ... nked-stats

Played an ARAM with Crumbz, was pretty fun

Luckily I got Nami so I just spammed spells and it worked, didn't embarass myself too much

Can anyone offer some tips to a Gangplank user?
Love the champion but things have just not gone well for me this season. =(

Vulf wrote:

Sankaritarina wrote:

Gambit is not overrated. CJ Frost is probably the only team in the world that has better record on international turnaments (not counting teams that took part in one international tournament like SKT T1 K). Gambit hype on events like IEM is based on facts and stats.

Go read reddit.

I read it every day, not sure how that changes anything I said.

P r o m i s e s wrote:

He purposely gets himself in Bronze 5 while he probably is someone from diamond 1. He duo's with someone for money, and carries the person he's duo-ing with. He avoids winning his promo's by playing garen and/or nunu and feeding hard.
Last time I checked he duo'ed with someone named "WeLoveYouTeoLite" and he was silver 3. He's now gold 5 lol

Playing duoq and carrying someone is not elo boosting, it's allowed. It sucks, but it's allowed.

Sankaritarina wrote:

I read it every day, not sure how that changes anything I said.

The fact that this made it to the front page and then was removed proves that the circle jerk is real.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends ... _see_this/

Also it could still be the fact that I still think Alex Ich is one of the biggest douches out there after what he did back in season 2 that influences that opinion.

Vulf wrote:

Sankaritarina wrote:

I read it every day, not sure how that changes anything I said.

The fact that this made it to the front page and then was removed proves that the circle jerk is real.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends ... _see_this/

Also it could still be the fact that I still think Alex Ich is one of the biggest douches out there after what he did back in season 2 that influences that opinion.

The thread got removed so I have no idea what did it say.

How is Alex a douche? Most of Moscow 5 members were toxic in season 2, but people change.

the nigga sang happy birthday to his wife in broken english in front of thousands of people

he's a cool dude

Justykanna wrote:

Can anyone offer some tips to a Gangplank user?
Love the champion but things have just not gone well for me this season. =(

He's at his best when enemy team is low on jump skills. Level one is still very deceptive and most players still can get baited by red pot. If you're planning a level one kill top lane, try to kill 1-2 minions of the enemy wave and not lose any of yours for the best results. His E is a massive buff for teams that need movement and autoattacking. Don't get baited by Q bonus gold, don't freeze the lane when you can roam and do something with your team or harass an opponent who's low on hp regen/lifesteal. His most efficient builds in my opnion are full damage (Shiv is one the best items for GP damage builds I highly recommend it) and high armor tank disruptor. Therefore I wouldn't recommend him against teams heavy on magic burst.

Soloq support GP is quite okay when you got a pick that can utilise your E buff well. If you're winning your lane and your adc is an okay guy, you can go for double Shiv rush.

That's all I can think of from the get-go.

I'm just waiting for his rework.

I never heard of a Gangplank rework plan and I don't think he needs one either.

I'd be hella weirded out if he was reworked tbh.

I don't want to start the whole "X needs a rework because of Y reasons" discussion again, but his rework has been confirmed by Riot GMang.
Source: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/bo ... 0#45650180

It's in the same boat as the Warwick rework. "It's done when it's ready". So it can be next month or next year before it's finished.

Ridiculous.

Hey. The rework might turn out to be better. *pfffffffff

Justykanna wrote:

Can anyone offer some tips to a Gangplank user?
Love the champion but things have just not gone well for me this season. =(

Dont harass with your q until you have your shiv just focus on DAT extra gold.

AnegoHC wrote:

Justykanna wrote:

Can anyone offer some tips to a Gangplank user?
Love the champion but things have just not gone well for me this season. =(

Dont harass with your q until you have your shiv just focus on DAT extra gold.

lel

AnegoHC wrote:

Justykanna wrote:

Can anyone offer some tips to a Gangplank user?
Love the champion but things have just not gone well for me this season. =(

Dont harass with your q until you have your shiv just focus on DAT extra gold.

Is this true? I mean it sounds pretty smart

Is this true? I mean it sounds pretty smart

Well to be honest -I- think its match up depending
If you play against someone who can sustain like hell (Aatrox for example) your q wont do much early
If you play against someone who cant sustain (Darius for example) you can try to safe harass them
If you play against someone who can block or absorb your q (Malph/Shen/Panth) Its just nonsense using your q

Dont harass with your q until you have your shiv just focus on DAT extra gold.

Sorry, TKiller I really was a bit lazy with my post

You basically need to harass and utilise the bonus gold at the same time while keeping your resources in mind. Only using it early levels to farm in every matchup is a terrible advice.

top is all about lane matchup but gangplank is just horrible in the current meta. just farm up until you can buy a tiamat and just farm all day getting bonus q gold on tiamat splash is amazing.

there's a really good reason you don't see him played ever and only see like 3-5 champs up at top nowadays :>

it's all about the AP gangplank supp

if you want free elo right now, go play ryze top

thank me later

Yep ranged top (Ryze, Kennen, and Jayce) are coming back thanks to nerfs to items. Time to quit top lane again because that shit is frustrating.

How about Zed? Is he strong in the current meta?

sades wrote:

How about Zed? Is he strong in the current meta?

I don't think he was as good as he was in the past.



This is one of the best games I had in a while. I love how Renekton is still worth something even if he doesn't win lane.
The only reason we lost is because our ashe got disconnected from the game however she still had a connection to the internet. I guess I could say riot pls but we did get caught fighting baron once and got aced allowing them to take two inhibitors.



It wasn't that bad I guess.

TKiller wrote:

Justykanna wrote:

Can anyone offer some tips to a Gangplank user?
Love the champion but things have just not gone well for me this season. =(

He's at his best when enemy team is low on jump skills. Level one is still very deceptive and most players still can get baited by red pot. If you're planning a level one kill top lane, try to kill 1-2 minions of the enemy wave and not lose any of yours for the best results. His E is a massive buff for teams that need movement and autoattacking. Don't get baited by Q bonus gold, don't freeze the lane when you can roam and do something with your team or harass an opponent who's low on hp regen/lifesteal. His most efficient builds in my opnion are full damage (Shiv is one the best items for GP damage builds I highly recommend it) and high armor tank disruptor. Therefore I wouldn't recommend him against teams heavy on magic burst.

Soloq support GP is quite okay when you got a pick that can utilise your E buff well. If you're winning your lane and your adc is an okay guy, you can go for double Shiv rush.

That's all I can think of from the get-go.

I've actually noticed a lot of champions I see top lane have a jump of some form. Kha'Zix, Wukong, Renekton, Pantheon.
Yeah, I know to make sure to pop the E in teamfights and try to make sure the ADs are in range.
I only use Q for a minion kill when I can't get it with an auto attack otherwise.
Do you go for Shiv first? I usually go for Infinity Edge first because it has AD on it and Stattikk Shiv does not (though I always get it second).

Vulf wrote:

I don't want to start the whole "X needs a rework because of Y reasons" discussion again, but his rework has been confirmed by Riot GMang.
Source: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/bo ... 0#45650180

It's in the same boat as the Warwick rework. "It's done when it's ready". So it can be next month or next year before it's finished.

Yeah, a friend of mine sent me a different link saying he was in progress but essentially told me the same as you did - it's done when it's done.

AnegoHC wrote:

Dont harass with your q until you have your shiv just focus on DAT extra gold.

I use it to harass if I'm not having great difficulty farming with my auto attack - which doesn't happen terribly often. I watch my mana regardless.

AnegoHC wrote:

Well to be honest -I- think its match up depending
If you play against someone who can sustain like hell (Aatrox for example) your q wont do much early
If you play against someone who cant sustain (Darius for example) you can try to safe harass them
If you play against someone who can block or absorb your q (Malph/Shen/Panth) Its just nonsense using your q

I don't bother using it to poke against people with high sustian, yeah. Pantheon's obviously my greatest frustration.

Zeraph wrote:

top is all about lane matchup but gangplank is just horrible in the current meta. just farm up until you can buy a tiamat and just farm all day getting bonus q gold on tiamat splash is amazing.

there's a really good reason you don't see him played ever and only see like 3-5 champs up at top nowadays :>

I know he's horrible in the meta, which is why I'm asking about some tips for him, here.
I know Tiamat's not bad but... first build?
I see more than five champions top these days (don't forget my rank is reasonably low at Silver) but just because champions are 'in' the meta, it doesn't mean I like them. I wanna play the champions I like, not necessarily the ones that are loved within the meta. Gangplank's my favourite and there's a reason I'm asking people for help - as I said before.

Glass wrote:

if you want free elo right now, go play ryze top

thank me later

Eh, not a fan of mages in general - much less top.

Vulf wrote:

Yep ranged top (Ryze, Kennen, and Jayce) are coming back thanks to nerfs to items. Time to quit top lane again because that shit is frustrating.

I really hope not. Jayce and Kennen was a pain to deal with last season. I like melee - hence why I like top. Soooooooooo that's gonna blow.


Thanks for the help everyone, I appreciate it.

DDoS attack again?

Justykanna wrote:

Zeraph wrote:

top is all about lane matchup but gangplank is just horrible in the current meta. just farm up until you can buy a tiamat and just farm all day getting bonus q gold on tiamat splash is amazing.

there's a really good reason you don't see him played ever and only see like 3-5 champs up at top nowadays :>

I know he's horrible in the meta, which is why I'm asking about some tips for him, here.
I know Tiamat's not bad but... first build?
I see more than five champions top these days (don't forget my rank is reasonably low at Silver) but just because champions are 'in' the meta, it doesn't mean I like them. I wanna play the champions I like, not necessarily the ones that are loved within the meta. Gangplank's my favourite and there's a reason I'm asking people for help - as I said before.

it's hard to give general advice on how to play a champion for top especially as it's one of the most volatile lanes that can be changed completely based just off what champion matchup you have or if your jungler/their jungler is competent. you can tell people how to play a champion (give advice) generally on how to play the champion but if you get a weird matchup then the way you have to play it is completely changed.

i guess fundamentals would just be maxing either q or e depending on how the lane matchup is(if youre losing/winning, vs a ranged champ who harasses too much) keep your mana up around like 75%~ so that you can have a lot of mana for more q usage in more elongated skirmishes. try only to use your q to last hit minions that are too risky to try to take when it's too risky.(you're somewhat low hp, they can kill you in a rotation+ignite) generally just play it safe, gangplank scales well into the midgame and drops down in the late game but makes up for it somewhat with utility coming from a massive aoe slow, single target slows with passive+q, and a team buff with W. when you're going into teamfights try to use the ulti a little further away from the team to block off exit paths rather than directly on top of them as you do lose damage potential by placing it right on top of them as a few of them will be able to run out easily because they won't have to walk into it and rather will be out on the edges of it. try not to use your e immediately as you get hit by your first cc but a little bit later so you can maybe avoid that one crucial cc to getting a kill or assisting towards getting a kill. since gp has no hard cc or massive damage you're also probably better off just trying to peel for your carries if they get dove on or if their enemy has a lot of dive potential. (renekton, or kha'zix whose fucking broken atm.) gl

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/g ... h-44-notes

RIP Kassadin

Justykanna wrote:

I really hope not. Jayce and Kennen was a pain to deal with last season. I like melee - hence why I like top. Soooooooooo that's gonna blow.

well it is happening, my last 5 games as top lane (in high platinum):

Renekton vs Kennen
Singed vs Gragas
Singed vs Akali
Renekton vs Kennen
Singed vs Ryze (one of the most retarded matchup possible, if you thought Singed vs Teemo is bad wait until you try this one)

I'd rather lane against unkillable tanks all day than lane against AP tops

Zeraph wrote:

it's hard to give general advice on how to play a champion for top especially as it's one of the most volatile lanes that can be changed completely based just off what champion matchup

Agreed. I've been completely leaving Gangplank out of action until I could get some advice on him.
Up until now, I've been using Garen (who I've generally been doing well in lane, but less than ideal late game), Wukong (I used him BEFORE people started banning and using him left and right) and Malphite (whose still boring to play for me), depending who I'm laning against.

Zeraph wrote:

try only to use your q to last hit minions that are too risky to try to take when it's too risky.(you're somewhat low hp, they can kill you in a rotation+ignite) generally just play it safe, gangplank scales well into the midgame and drops down in the late game but makes up for it somewhat with utility coming from a massive aoe slow, single target slows with passive+q, and a team buff with W. when you're going into teamfights try to use the ulti a little further away from the team to block off exit paths rather than directly on top of them as you do lose damage potential by placing it right on top of them as a few of them will be able to run out easily because they won't have to walk into it and rather will be out on the edges of it.

Yup, I've been good at the above points for the most part. I'm a passive player by nature, so playing it safe comes easy to me. Only problem is I use Gangplank as a damage dealer, not really a tank, so sometimes I should probably be more aggressive than I am.

Zeraph wrote:

try not to use your e immediately as you get hit by your first cc but a little bit later so you can maybe avoid that one crucial cc to getting a kill or assisting towards getting a kill.

I never actually thought of that. I'll keep that in mind.

Much thanks for your help, Zeraph! =)

Glass wrote:

well it is happening, my last 5 games as top lane (in high platinum):

Renekton vs Kennen
Singed vs Gragas
Singed vs Akali
Renekton vs Kennen
Singed vs Ryze (one of the most retarded matchup possible, if you thought Singed vs Teemo is bad wait until you try this one)

I'd rather lane against unkillable tanks all day than lane against AP tops

I actually haven't laned against any of those four except for one Gragas all season (though, Gragas and Akali are melee).
I don't have an issue with them being AP, but more to the fact that they're ranged. I don't want top turning into a ranged-lane because there's enough lanes for ranged already as it is...

Vulf wrote:

Yep ranged top (Ryze, Kennen, and Jayce) are coming back thanks to nerfs to items. Time to quit top lane again because that shit is frustrating.

lol it's better than shyvana mundo renekton every time

Kanye West wrote:

lol it's better than shyvana mundo renekton every time

No it's not.

If you are playing ranged against them then maybe. Playing a melee champion against any of those 3 is one of the most frustrating lanes because you get harassed to shit for the first 10 minutes of the game. The difference between Shyvana, Mundo, and Renekton (to an extent) is that they are boring to play against so there is a pretty significant difference there. I'd take boring over frustrating any day of the week.

The only good thing that will come out of Ryze, Jayce and Kennen being played top every game is that they will get nerfed again which I have no problem with at all.

Oh, so now you actually have to think about successful trading and being more reliant on jungler ganks and stuff like that, it's almost like you have to use your brain in top lane for once

That is, if you have a way to successfully trade. If all you're forced to do is sit under tower and pray someone ganks a Jayce who's in your face without a ward, that's not very fun.

BrokenArrow wrote:

Oh, so now you actually have to think about successful trading and being more reliant on jungler ganks and stuff like that, it's almost like you have to use your brain in top lane for once

What?

You do realize that ranged can do all of that with even less thought while being even more safe from melee and jungle ganks. Ryze is kind of the only exception here, but he builds tanky to make up for it.

Fact of the matter it's not fun to play against.

Then pick ranged against ranged? I don't see a problem here

3 champions aren't supposed to hard counter a whole role of 10+ champions because they simply have the range on them (this is mostly an over exaggeration at this point). That is a problem and one of the reasons why those 3 champions got nerfed in the first place. Simply saying pick ranged against it is only a bandaid fix to the actual problem.

Honestly I'm not really worried about Jayce and Kennen too much since dorans shield is still very good against them in the early laning phase. It's mostly Ryze that will be a problem.

What if I told you that ranged champions always had a poke advantage over melee champs? That has always been the case and is not a problem, you simply can't always win lane. I'm honestly just happy to see some new old champions back in the top lane again.

I agree on Ryze being a bit too strong right now tho.

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.

those wrote:

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.

I love hearing all the people that think they do have the advantage being ranged vs a melee.

BrokenArrow wrote:

What if I told you that ranged champions always had a poke advantage over melee champs? That has always been the case and is not a problem, you simply can't always win lane. I'm honestly just happy to see some new old champions back in the top lane again.

I agree on Ryze being a bit too strong right now tho.

That's not the problem because if it was then why ever play a melee champion? The problem is there isn't really a trade off for those champions being ranged when you compare them to other ranged stuff like Sivir for example. If stuff like Ryze, Jayce, and Kennen become the go top laners again it will make that role even more stale when it comes to champion variety. At least the tanks had niche counters.

This is all early speculation. Kennen and Jayce have to break through Dorans shield to stick, but that isn't the case with Ryze.

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.

You can't really compare Gragas to the standard melee when his lowest ranged ability is 600 while being relatively tanky and safe in lane. If I could clear minion waves with Warwick and Trundle with 950 range this wouldn't be an issue. Gragas is a pretty severe issue right now and that's why he is getting reworked.

I never siad they didn't but the lack of tradeoffs for being ranged (on certain champions) is the issue here. This is NOT a ranged is better than melee discussion since what I'm talking about only applies to maybe 3-5 champions in the game.

With that aside I don't understand why gragas isn't played top more. It's just as crazy as Ryze if not worse.

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.

Gragas has free sustain whenever he casts a spell AND he takes less damage when his W is active, other melees don't have that. Also he can easily farm waves with his barrels, obviously he doesn't have trouble laning against ranged champions...

Justykanna wrote:

I love hearing all the people that think they do have the advantage being ranged vs a melee.

being ranged/having ranged wave-clear against melee champs is not an advantage?

lol?

>Play melee against Ryze top
Try to last hit? Nope, get combo'd.
Try to hard engage? Nope, get rooted.
Call for jungler help? Yeah good luck with that in your average solo-queue game.
Just leech exp? LOOOOOL have fun being useless while Ryze free-farms to critical mass and rapes your entire team.

Ryze top can fuck off

Division jump OP :/

on my way to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Glass wrote:

being ranged/having ranged wave-clear against melee champs is not an advantage?

lol?

>Play melee against Ryze top
Try to last hit? Nope, get combo'd.
Try to hard engage? Nope, get rooted.
Call for jungler help? Yeah good luck with that in your average solo-queue game.
Just leech exp? LOOOOOL have fun being useless while Ryze free-farms to critical mass and rapes your entire team.

Ryze top can fuck off

I meant people think ranged is 'always' better than melee.
Wasn't really looking at specifics like that. -_-

Justykanna wrote:

I meant people think ranged is 'always' better than melee.
Wasn't really looking at specifics like that. -_-

It's literally like 4 champions that we are talking about. Ryze being the biggest offender out of them all.
No one is complaining that all ranged > melee. If it came off that way I'm sorry.

meh ryze still has plenty of bad matchups

nidalee, orianna, lulu, vlad and mordekaiser all shit on ryze

Depending on the matchup, but normally ranged do have advantage over melee, if you don't know how to make the best out of that advantage it's another thing

itt: people bitch about ryze even though professional players play melee champions against him all the time.
inb4 more solo q whining

No one said the lane was unwinnable as melee either.

Zeraph wrote:

itt: people bitch about ryze even though professional players play melee champions against him all the time.
inb4 more solo q whining

Professional players play melee against him all the time? he literally hasn't been played at all until the last week of LCS, and when he was finally played he shat all over strong tops like Renekton and Mundo. The ONE team that played Ryze top in LCS so far was CLG, and what happens after they pick him; teams that play against CLG started banning Ryze every game. Yeah pro players sure play melee against him all the time

inb4 JUST PLAY 5MAN NORMALS AND CAMP TOP :^)))))))

he was played in OGN a few times and maybe masters too and teams never had a problem with it.

Ryze would've been played a lot more but he is permanently banned against Flame and Shy.

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.

Omg!
Going against a Gragas as an Ori is definitely my worst nightmare. :/

Kanye West wrote:

he was played in OGN a few times and maybe masters too

No? He was picked ONCE in OGN since his buffs by Jin Air Green Wings (literally 0-4 team). The patch hit recently but I guarantee he'll be pick/ban for a lot of teams soon once they get more practiced with him.

Kanye West wrote:

and teams never had a problem with it.

Obviously they didn't have problems with it considering the only time he's been picked is by the last place team. That would be equivalent of saying Elise isn't retarded strong because XDG loses with her. Ryze has been banned every single game against Blaze and Frost.

wow!! i love freelo! ryze top main now!!

Graciee wrote:

those wrote:

Gragas vs Orianna Have a nice day (?)

Ranged does not always have an advantage over melee.

Omg!
Going against a Gragas as an Ori is definitely my worst nightmare. :/

I approve, he is a life bag with nuking abilities

I realised that all my favourite top lane picks are unreliable/nerfed into oblivion, so I went back to my roots.





I'm done tilting I guess.

TKiller wrote:

I realised that all my favourite top lane picks are unreliable/nerfed into oblivion, so I went back to my roots.





I'm done tilting I guess.

Basically the opposite of me.. I've lost like 16 out of my last 20 rankeds and dropped almost 2 divisions in the last week. Funny thing is how I won my lane pretty much every single fucking time, roamed and tried to get other lanes ahead but every time lategame someone decides to be a horrible retarded fucker and throws the game.

..and then I discovered Ziggs. Damn, Ziggs feels good.