fartownik wrote:
Every score on Roze in the tournament ever ;(
Now seriously, Roze will be a pain in the ass, and I like it
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Now seriously, Roze will be a pain in the ass, and I like it
Please stop posting.buny wrote:
just realised tie breaker is easier/same difficulty than the no mods. lol
are the videos of the streams going to be uploaded on twitch also? Asking this because the stream of the drawings wasn't recorded when i wanted to watch them, quite disappointed about that.
also, is there going to be a no-vid map pack uploaded?
also, is there going to be a no-vid map pack uploaded?
Sarcasm on text, you're doing it right.Artaxerx wrote:
Uhm... what?! Did you seriously not get the sarcasm in my post?!
Well, it was mistake (or, twitch changed from automatic on, to off) because streamers hasn't enabled saving videos, now it should be saved automatically.buny wrote:
are the videos of the streams going to be uploaded on twitch also? Asking this because the stream of the drawings wasn't recorded when i wanted to watch them, quite disappointed about that.
also, is there going to be a no-vid map pack uploaded?
Ilye_old
It was still obivious sarcasm, you just suckLoliFlan wrote:
Sarcasm on text, you're doing it right.Artaxerx wrote:
Uhm... what?! Did you seriously not get the sarcasm in my post?!
I think it might be possible, I'll ask further.[-Aoi-] wrote:
Is it possible for one of the streamers to record and upload unaired games without commentary? cause for example personally I find UK vs Japan game quite interesting, also some countries like Chile have only one game streamed.
Soarezi
I'll stream it for you with commentary bby.[-Aoi-] wrote:
Is it possible for one of the streamers to record and upload unaired games without commentary? cause for example personally I find UK vs Japan game quite interesting, also some countries like Chile have only one game streamed.
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.
Actually that isn't the one we wanted to pick, the other one was harder and fits much better for the first tiebreaker, sadly we had to change it.buny wrote:
just realised tie breaker is easier/same difficulty than the no mods. lol
British accent win winjesus1412 wrote:
I'll stream it for you with commentary bby.[-Aoi-] wrote:
Is it possible for one of the streamers to record and upload unaired games without commentary? cause for example personally I find UK vs Japan game quite interesting, also some countries like Chile have only one game streamed.
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.
buny is right, tiebreaker is same level as nomods. probably easier than some depending on the players' strengths.
not that that's a bad thing, depending on what you want to make out of it.
not that that's a bad thing, depending on what you want to make out of it.
Blame Loctav.Aqo wrote:
buny is right, tiebreaker is same level as nomods. probably easier than some depending on the players' strengths.
*runs*
Yeah I know how the map picking process "works".Darksonic wrote:
Blame Loctav.
Anyway nice picks so far. 12 Green lights, 6 Yellow lights, 5 Red lights.
Something to keep in mind guys: Don't pick all the interesting maps from the start or else you'll have nothing left for later stages. Plan ahead on this.
23(?)x5(?) = sooooooo maps
Topic Starter
What. Wishy put it there. I picked like two maps from the entire pool and you two agreed. Don't push the blame to me :C also the previous pick was harder but a bunch of crap mapping wise.Darksonic wrote:
Blame Loctav.Aqo wrote:
buny is right, tiebreaker is same level as nomods. probably easier than some depending on the players' strengths.
*runs*
@Aqo last year, fartownik was the one bitching around. Not me : DDD
yo ar9 is easyPortalLife wrote:
I am glad Im not playing this year. dem AR9 hard maps
>Implying current mappool doesn't have a bunch of crap mapping wise *cough* yuugure *cough*Loctav wrote:
but a bunch of crap mapping wise.
Overlap hnghhh.CXu wrote:
>Implying current mappool doesn't have a bunch of crap mapping wise *cough* yuugure *cough*Loctav wrote:
but a bunch of crap mapping wise.
I think it would be better to have something that could fit better in the pool whatever the map style is, rather than a good map but eaaaasier one, the current tiebreaker sadly doesn't have enough challenge ;_; but that's the best we could find for it, it isn't too easy either but the other one was more enjoyable imo.Loctav wrote:
What. Wishy put it there. I picked like two maps from the entire pool and you two agreed. Don't push the blame to me :C also the previous pick was harder but a bunch of crap mapping wise.
But hey, is not like the current pool is filled with great maps though :p
inb4 the other one was Skystar
I'm actually surprised there's no Skystar map in the first pool, but I guess they're gonna wait until the later rounds
Zarerion wrote:
I'm actually surprised there's no Skystar map in the first pool, but I guess they're gonna wait until the later rounds
which is like the only map i can actually do well on.CXu wrote:
>Implying current mappool doesn't have a bunch of crap mapping wise *cough* yuugure *cough*Loctav wrote:
but a bunch of crap mapping wise.
welp fuck this i hate this mappool
so what was this mystery tie-breaker map that we do not speak of?
It wasn't harder or anything, I ended up not liking it after 3 plays tbh.
I think this tie-breaker is fine. There are a lot of hard parts, tricky stuff, etc. Also AR 9 can make it tough for some. I find the nomod maps to be way easier compared to it.
I think this tie-breaker is fine. There are a lot of hard parts, tricky stuff, etc. Also AR 9 can make it tough for some. I find the nomod maps to be way easier compared to it.
Jumping at AR 9 makes the map easier than jumping at AR 8 imo :p
Luv Letter is at least 3 times harder with hardrock. If you guys want to go through that then be my guest. It's not really that hard if you can read AR9 well, though.
roze and raijin no migiude share the same thing in common with the tie breaker and that is that it only has a few hard parts whereas the rest is incredibly easy and free points/accuracy.Wishy wrote:
It wasn't harder or anything, I ended up not liking it after 3 plays tbh.
I think this tie-breaker is fine. There are a lot of hard parts, tricky stuff, etc. Also AR 9 can make it tough for some. I find the nomod maps to be way easier compared to it.
i feel like if tie breaker maps are going to be reached, they're going to be determined by who random missed on the most absurd section in the map. If you missed on the jumpy part and the other team didn't, there's absolutely no hope of catching up because the rest of it is free points.
it's pretty hard to fc hr on 1 play while under pressure, more so it could be a match-changing decisionkriers wrote:
Luv Letter is at least 3 times harder with hardrock. If you guys want to go through that then be my guest. It's not really that hard if you can read AR9 well, though.
i don't think many people are going to touch any mods in free mods except for hd.
also according to osutp
of course not implying osutp is accurate or anything
Nah osu!tp has nothing to do here, because that's an average of aim and speed. At the moment of picking maps we aimed for aim rather than speed since we're interested on people showing their better skills instead speed only, like deathstreams or something like that (I'm not saying osu!tp's speed is based on streams only, ofc). Maybe balanced level maps could fit better but it's hard to find something like that which can fit on the pool.
Example, Rin's map is level 78 because it speed only (84), some of the other maps (tiebreaker included) are based mostly on aim. You probably can find a level 40 map there, which it could be harder than a 60 one, just because in terms of skill: aim >>> speed.
Not sure if I'm right or not but that's my point of wiew at least.
Example, Rin's map is level 78 because it speed only (84), some of the other maps (tiebreaker included) are based mostly on aim. You probably can find a level 40 map there, which it could be harder than a 60 one, just because in terms of skill: aim >>> speed.
Not sure if I'm right or not but that's my point of wiew at least.
Please, add variety to future mappools. Nomod maps are all the same, absolutely.
Last year there were maps that had some unique stuff like small circles/2key patterns/long streams/low ar/accuracy wars for teams
But now it's just jumps and streams everywhere
Also some of the nomod maps are quite long so they look like they should be tiebreakers instead of nomods
Last year there were maps that had some unique stuff like small circles/2key patterns/long streams/low ar/accuracy wars for teams
But now it's just jumps and streams everywhere
Also some of the nomod maps are quite long so they look like they should be tiebreakers instead of nomods
Damn it.Metro wrote:
Accuracy wars
All I can say by reading this is just... lol, you can't be serious. As you probably noticed we increased difficulty if we compare the last owcs, and we're only two pickers, with a new one included, so obviously picks won't be the same style. Even if the maps are "all the same" as you say, that doesn't mean each map is the same difficult as other one, there are harders and easiers, fasters and slowers. But picks and variety will change a bit, be sure of that.Kert wrote:
Please, add variety to future mappools. Nomod maps are all the same, absolutely.
But it would be more interesting to watch if the maps had unique traits instead of all being just jumpy and streamy since not all players can play maps that are out of the ordinary well.Darksonic wrote:
All I can say by reading this is just... lol, you can't be serious. As you probably noticed we increased difficulty if we compare the last owcs, and we're only two pickers, with a new one included, so obviously picks won't be the same style. Even if the maps are "all the same" as you say, that doesn't mean each map is the same difficult as other one, there are harders and easiers, fasters and slowers. But picks and variety will change a bit, be sure of that.Kert wrote:
Please, add variety to future mappools. Nomod maps are all the same, absolutely.
I disagree. If you can't play maps that are out of the ordinary well then you shouldn't be in the "osu! World Cup". That's like saying the Olympics should cater for people who have a very low skill level rather than for the most elite, or for players in the SC2 GSL to only play ladder games because they're not used to playing the tough Korean players and their styles.Almost wrote:
But it would be more interesting to watch if the maps had unique traits instead of all being just jumpy and streamy since not all players can play maps that are out of the ordinary well.
I want the OWC to test the most elite of players rather than to know that some random player can come close to rrtyui on easier maps. Likewise I want to be tested in this tournament - if you fail at out of the ordinary maps you should practice them more and improve, it's a win-win situation for both the spectators (seeing the players get pushed to their limits) and the players (improving).
Actually, for my side I'm planning to look for more variety and more "unique" stuff for the next round so you guys don't have to worry about that, I did and will do the best as possible. I just hope to have enough time since I have to wait until the next week to have my computer back again.Almost wrote:
But it would be more interesting to watch if the maps had unique traits instead of all being just jumpy and streamy since not all players can play maps that are out of the ordinary well.
Being able to play out of the ordinary maps is a skill of it's own and most people nowadays don't practice those sorts of maps any more since all people care about any more is being able to play fast.smoogipooo wrote:
I disagree. If you can't play maps that are out of the ordinary well then you shouldn't be in the "osu! World Cup". That's like saying the Olympics should cater for people who have a very low skill level rather than for the most elite, or for players in the SC2 GSL to only play ladder games because they're not used to playing the tough Korean players and their styles.Almost wrote:
But it would be more interesting to watch if the maps had unique traits instead of all being just jumpy and streamy since not all players can play maps that are out of the ordinary well.
I want the OWC to test the most elite of players rather than to know that some random player can come close to rrtyui on easier maps. Likewise I want to be tested in this tournament - if you fail at out of the ordinary maps you should practice them more and improve, it's a win-win situation for both the spectators (seeing the players get pushed to their limits) and the players (improving).
The good thing about osu! is that great players are all-round players. I've yet to see a top-50 player who is extremely good at one thing but fails horribly in another area if you exclude mods (because there are some people who strictly practice one mod). They're either moderately-good at everything, great at everything, or amazing at everything; with few discrepancies.Almost wrote:
Being able to play out of the ordinary maps is a skill of it's own and most people nowadays don't practice those sorts of maps any more since all people care about any more is being able to play fast.
I would be thoroughly disappointed if there's a top-50 player who can jump but can't stream, or who can read ar9 jumps but can't aim, or who can stream fast with low accuracy.
Let's rephrase that - luck for different mapping styles should not be a determining factor of skill in this game. If you have to use luck to finish these maps because you're so used to new maps, speeds or w/e, then you're probably doing it wrong. Don't call yourself good at this game just because you can play a select few mapping styles.
Nice to hear that. Looking forward to new maps!Darksonic wrote:
Actually, for my side I'm planning to look for more variety and more "unique" stuff for the next round so you guys don't have to worry about that, I did and will do the best as possible
You don't need luck if you are good at it. If you are used to playing really retarded maps then you probably would screw up less than most. And if that last part was directed at me, I never said I was good at the game nor did I say I was good at a select few mapping styles (I'm actually terrible at them)smoogipooo wrote:
The good thing about osu! is that great players are all-round players. I've yet to see a top-50 player who is extremely good at one thing but fails horribly in another area if you exclude mods (because there are some people who strictly practice one mod). They're either moderately-good at everything, great at everything, or amazing at everything; with few discrepancies.Almost wrote:
Being able to play out of the ordinary maps is a skill of it's own and most people nowadays don't practice those sorts of maps any more since all people care about any more is being able to play fast.
I would be thoroughly disappointed if there's a top-50 player who can jump but can't stream, or who can read ar9 jumps but can't aim, or who can stream fast with low accuracy.
Let's rephrase that - luck for different mapping styles should not be a determining factor of skill in this game. If you have to use luck to finish these maps because you're so used to new maps, speeds or w/e, then you're probably doing it wrong. Don't call yourself good at this game just because you can play a select few mapping styles.
buny did you know that almost all osu! maps which are not INSANELY HARD are pretty much just about one hard part.
yesWishy wrote:
buny did you know that almost all osu! maps which are not INSANELY HARD are pretty much just about one hard part.
don't take it offensively, it's probably very hard to find suitable maps with only 3 selectors this time, and having to change the map with such short notice too.
other than the tie breaker and a few no mod maps this map pool is very nice, as well as the song selection.
It's quite hard to find maps which are hard all the way around without them being top tier insanes. Sadly most are about a few hard parts (if not just one).
I found quite a lot of actual overall hard maps but they are indeed too hard all the way around, you'll probably see them on later stages tho.
I found quite a lot of actual overall hard maps but they are indeed too hard all the way around, you'll probably see them on later stages tho.
How about Scarlet Rose?
Welcome to the 2013 mapping era ._. I don't mind having mid-top tier maps in the ro8 and beyond, I guess that's what the 1 week practicing is for.Wishy wrote:
It's quite hard to find maps which are hard all the way around without them being top tier insanes. Sadly most are about a few hard parts (if not just one).
I found quite a lot of actual overall hard maps but they are indeed too hard all the way around, you'll probably see them on later stages tho.
Eww ugly avatar cheese. And lol at all the betters thinking australia will beat brazil
Ugh god edit button disappeared.
But I just read that the maps will be jump and combo focused rather than stream speed. Ahahaha you're fucked melt3d.
But I just read that the maps will be jump and combo focused rather than stream speed. Ahahaha you're fucked melt3d.
I doubt it, you haven't considered the situations where 8 super nervous people clash into one another, shaking and losing focus. You haven't seen me in action when I've been completely nervous, nor have I ever experienced first hand so anything could go in OWC.[AirCoN] wrote:
Ugh god edit button disappeared.
But I just read that the maps will be jump and combo focused rather than stream speed. Ahahaha you're fucked melt3d.
No faith...[AirCoN] wrote:
Ugh god edit button disappeared.
But I just read that the maps will be jump and combo focused rather than stream speed. Ahahaha you're fucked melt3d.
According to the betting game some people including myself have a lot of faith on Latvia lol.
USAMetro wrote:
According to the betting game some people including myself have a lot of faith on Latvia lol.
USA
USA
USA
USA
Since it's unknown if SG participates fully and Latvia has a very good roster (I'd say it's perfect for tournaments, their players' consistency is very good) I'm not surprised at all.
Just like some people have way too much faith in Austria.
We're gonna disappoint people.
(Quick Metro, change your bet for China-Austria, because we don't have M3tr01d available for that match!)
And I wanted my avatar to stare at AmaiHachimitsu
hue
We're gonna disappoint people.
(Quick Metro, change your bet for China-Austria, because we don't have M3tr01d available for that match!)
And I wanted my avatar to stare at AmaiHachimitsu
hue
Glad Estonia doesn't have that problemOmgforz wrote:
Just like some people have way too much faith in Austria.
We're gonna disappoint people.
We will just show our godlike powers off. And then everyone will bow to the power of Estonia! Mwhahaha
fixdpooptartsonas wrote:
USATEI
USATEI
USATEI
USATEI
USATEI
to all the ar9 haters: i hope they pick a nice jumpy ar8 map is one of the future rounds, like ivaltek or something
Yeah, that'd result in only one thing: no one picking that map.silmarilen wrote:
to all the ar9 haters: i hope they pick a nice jumpy ar8 map is one of the future rounds, like ivaltek or something
make it the tie breaker
Tiebreaker is freemod.
fuck
Then the team down 2-3 would intentionally lose so they don't have to publicly humiliate themselves
Are there any pro player that could hate ar 9? if so this owc will be a pain for them 
ar 8 sucks
ar 8 sucks
this, pleasesilmarilen wrote:
to all the ar9 haters: i hope they pick a nice jumpy ar8 map is one of the future rounds, like ivaltek or something
err, how many ar9 haters are there?silmarilen wrote:
to all the ar9 haters: i hope they pick a nice jumpy ar8 map is one of the future rounds, like ivaltek or something
honestly i haven't seen many people that hate ar9 other than the ones that literally only play ar10 maps and get C on them.
Soarezi
read through the past couple of pages, there was a small discussion about wether the tiebreaker should be freemod or not, and one of the arguments was that the map was hard to read with ar9[AirCoN] wrote:
wait....so people hate AR9 cause it's too slow?
Wut.
If you only play AR10+ and nothing else, then it looks incredibly slow.[AirCoN] wrote:
wait....so people hate AR9 cause it's too slow?
Wut.
Topic Starter
Then stop playing AR10 only 
What's that for a world champion who can only race on high speed but fails horribly at parking the car in the parking lot.
What's that for a world champion who can only race on high speed but fails horribly at parking the car in the parking lot.
I agree, osu! world cup should not be about who's the fastest player, but should be about who has the greatest cumalative skill in osu!
Nothing against ar 9 or 8 even though it's harder for most(?) of us. We're in the same boat and low-ar maps can be used for strategic issues by some teams, making the show interesting.
I can already see the despair when ar9 DT maps will be available
I can already see the despair when ar9 DT maps will be available
Yeah, I guess there is something called "being too pro". In my opinion, every player should be able to read at least AR9 and AR8 properly. I know those are not as exciting and fun and fast and "Woo, look at me, I am so pro, look how fast my reaction time is" as AR10, but come on... Too slow? Really?
damn I couldn't agree moreLoctav wrote:
Then stop playing AR10 only
What's that for a world champion who can only race on high speed but fails horribly at parking the car in the parking lot.
I love Ivaltek please dosilmarilen wrote:
to all the ar9 haters: i hope they pick a nice jumpy ar8 map is one of the future rounds, like ivaltek or something
strategic takedown map for teams that are bad at reading jump yesss
I'd rather have both varying CS and AR maps, like some of AngelHoney's maps should come into OWC. So, alteration of AR with the combination of the alteration of CS would be perfect to test people's limits.
I'd rather have both varying CS and AR maps, like some of AngelHoney's maps should come into OWC. So, alteration of AR with the combination of the alteration of CS would be perfect to test people's limits.Though I agree that various maps should appear, "normal" maps should still be present, and in hefty amounts. If there happen 4 maps which are only stream-y, a team which is specialized in streaming skill only might nearly win the match only because of those. If you meant various only by AR, CS - I totally agree.
If I was referring to a variety of maps and 4 stream maps suddenly appear, is that contradicting to the target idea? Plus, isn't OWC meant to show the best of people, also veto-ing maps out is a valid option am I correct?AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Though I agree that various maps should appear, "normal" maps should still be present, and in hefty amounts. If there happen 4 maps which are only stream-y, a team which is specialized in streaming skill only might nearly win the match only because of those. If you meant various only by AR, CS - I totally agree.
If you're impressed by someone parking a car in the parking lot same as a world champion racer then good luck.Loctav wrote:
Then stop playing AR10 only
What's that for a world champion who can only race on high speed but fails horribly at parking the car in the parking lot.
Also I (personally) never said AR9 is hard, especially on those maps. I can do every map from the list without much problems, still prefer AR10 because it's less damn annoying and requires less unnecessary concentration during the match, thus causes less random misses (which really like to occur during a 1-play only matches). Yeah, yeah, go on with your 'bfut it's a pard of the gemplay to be able to rid AR9 on a turnment mach proparly" arguments. But I do already.
And I'm just sitting here still liking AR7.
tijdmachine lesjuh '09 diff 4owc
^ freemod bracket, no prob
Low AR maps with HD would be so cool
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/88160
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/274365
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321
etc
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/88160
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/274365
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321
etc
we could as well introduce FlashLight bracket
Kynan died at the end and I guess bancho didn't understand what happened, look at both screenshots in one of them you can see Blue Team wins in the other screenshot Red Team wins, so who the fk won (it doesn't even show that he died because it didn't register him) Also the lag ingame is insane bancho can't handle anything Forseen dced everymap, whenewere map starts I see people playing it while im stuck at "waiting for players" like how are we going to play this owc.
and this... I couldn't get into the room beacuse... I was in the room??? wat #bancho #logic #2k13
Then this, look at LoGo's score he has 1miss 0x100, if you count every players score 100s 300s 50s they have 757 objects and LoGo had 756. ?_? The map had 757 obejcts so where did 1 LoGo's object go?
and this... I couldn't get into the room beacuse... I was in the room??? wat #bancho #logic #2k13
Then this, look at LoGo's score he has 1miss 0x100, if you count every players score 100s 300s 50s they have 757 objects and LoGo had 756. ?_? The map had 757 obejcts so where did 1 LoGo's object go?
Nobody would play FL bracket ever, I mean, the maps will be even harder as long the rounds finish, who will be able to memorize harder ones? It would be a waste of time only
Nobody would play FL bracket ever, I mean, the maps will be even harder as long the rounds finish, who will be able to memorize harder ones? It would be a waste of time onlysarcasm, Zarerion proposed AR 7 maps for Hidden Bracket. For me this kind of map is like flashlight since you must memorize like.. the whole map. Higher AR's are easily sightread.
they were AR8AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Nobody would play FL bracket ever, I mean, the maps will be even harder as long the rounds finish, who will be able to memorize harder ones? It would be a waste of time onlysarcasm, Zarerion proposed AR 7 maps for Hidden Bracket. For me this kind of map is like flashlight since you must memorize like.. the whole map. Higher AR's are easily sightread.
still Low
not low, normal. please stop crying because you can only play by reaction.
seriously you're all just a bunch of crybaby's
"waahaaaahaaa i cant play this map because i dont know how to read low ar waahaaahaaa" grow up, you're supposed to be the best of the world, you should be able to play those maps.
seriously you're all just a bunch of crybaby's
"waahaaaahaaa i cant play this map because i dont know how to read low ar waahaaahaaa" grow up, you're supposed to be the best of the world, you should be able to play those maps.
hi can you guys postopone our BR match by one hour so i can play thanks
Soarezi
The mappool has 3 AR8 maps that are DT, and 3 hr AR10 maps. The rest are AR9.
Variation, right?
Variation, right?
dont ignore me i want to play against germanos
pls i wanted to play ar8 hd maps
better than those 190bpm songs i cant stream
better than those 190bpm songs i cant stream
People like you make me want to quit this game.Soarezi wrote:
reading low ar is boring as fuck , the maps are like 100bpm and it's just beyond boring. who cares
Ugh, I'm gonna puke.
If you can't stream 190 bpm then I have no idea what are you doing on owc :p