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Touhou PyP IV (Game over - Mafia wins :>)

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pieguyn
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Everyone woke up. However, they immediately noticed something was wrong. As they went from the second floor of the mansion where their rooms were down to the first, they immediately saw a petite figure with horns passed out at the bottom, bleeding. They immediately recognized it as Ibuki Suika, so they figured she just got drunk or something, but when they looked at her, it turned out she hit her head and died..

Rantai (Ibuki Suika) - Neighborizer - fell down a staircase N1

once everyone got downstairs, they immediately noticed someone else was missing. she was so cheerful, plus she was beautifully dressed as a miko.. how could anyone ever forget? They immediately ran back to her room only to find she was stabbed while she was sleeping..

Sakura (Kochiya Sanae) - 2-shot VT Reviver - killed N1

so 2 people died? uuu..this is getting weird, we must figure out what's going on quickly. let's go again ~

It is D2. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT (95:36 from now)
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Tanzklaue
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I got no result, so I guess I got roleblocked :/

I targeted lilac for the record.
also we have either a SK or a vig amongst us. since there already was a dayvig, and the killmessage says something special, I would say it's probably a SK.
Tanzklaue
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nvm sakura has a stabbed message, so we can't actually conclude anything from that :/
Raging Bull
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I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
Raging Bull
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Well actually....


@Mod, does Neighborizer die if he recruits mafia?
pieguyn
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Raging Bull wrote:

Well actually....


@Mod, does Neighborizer die if he recruits mafia?
nope
Masonizer is the one that dies in this case :P
Lilac
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Raging Bull wrote:

I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)

I got a bit distraught there. Give me a bit while I have dinner.
Tanzklaue
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@mod: would we know if rantai was suicidal?

if he was then that could explain why he was so uninterested in this game.

or he just got vigkilled/SK killed and was bored by this game for real.
pieguyn
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Tanzklaue wrote:

@mod: would we know if rantai was suicidal?
yes
Jinxy
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I get the feeling Rantai's death description is trying to hint to the killer's identity, it's way too different when compared to Sakura's. It certainly sounds... unlucky...

So I'm wondering about this post from Lilac:
[quote="Lilac":1337]Here's why. This was a quote that Hina/Mimi said about Tanz.Is that some sort of nickname, or...?
Kanye West
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Raging Bull wrote:

I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
Well from a pure game balance perspective, 20-30% of players should be scum so 3 scum makes the most sense. 2 mafia and 1 sk is the most probable outcome based on what happened at night because I don't think we would have 2 vigs.
Lilac
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Mi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.

Second hint. My character is someone I have a cosplay of too. Not much of a hint but eh.
Lilac
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Mimi*

At the time I didn't know what his character was but I'm surprised he chose Nazrin.
Royston
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There could also be a Paranoid Gun Owner, right? Is that likely or not?
Rantai
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*table flip*

Gl.
Raging Bull
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Royston wrote:

There could also be a Paranoid Gun Owner, right? Is that likely or not?
I suppose, but I do not know what touhou (lackof touhou knowledge in general) character carries a gun and is paranoid.
Jinxy
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I'm thinking the one who killed Rantai might be killed Hina Kagiyama, a misfortune god, and also why I asked clarification on Lilac's nickname on Mimi.

It would fit the cause of death (warned you about the stairs bro) quite well, I think. I was thinking it might be a SK, but now that you say it, she might be a PGO that causes misfortune to anyone that visits her.
fartownik
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cool story

Vote: Kanye West
fartownik
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And if there's a Doctor - you possibly ruined the game for Town. Also there's scum in the NL wagon, possibly RB.
Kitsunemimi
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Lilac wrote:

At the time I didn't know what his character was but I'm surprised he chose Nazrin.
It was Tanz who chose Nazrin. Though I kinda like Naz~

And,

Lilac wrote:

Mimi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.
......Mou. You totally gave me away...!! You should've known that calling me Hina here would cause ambiguity and/or confusion ;_;

I guess it's fine for you to continue calling me that though, because I am indeed Hina Kagiyama. (yes, it's red, not green)

Jinxy wrote:

she might be a PGO that causes misfortune to anyone that visits her.
Pretty much ._.
Rantai neighbourized me last night.... and died, so now I'm essentially stuck with a forever alone neighbour chat ;~;
I honestly hadn't expected anyone to visit me last night though... I couldn't really think of a way to only draw mafia attention in without getting anyone else to target me (especially since Sakura was pretty much already their prime target), so I just acted normally, but I guess it was inevitable...

I was hoping I could get through a couple days without being visited, then, when the mafia had been whittled down a bit, grab their attention somehow to help secure the win for town relatively easily. It would been a lot better if we had more town alive, but we're like in the opposite scenario so like... ._.
fartownik
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So the only reason Kitsunemimi claims now is that Lilac mentioned his 'role' in the previous post? How is that not scummy?
Kitsunemimi
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Other people on this page suggested that I was PGO, it was pretty much figured out already :/
If I didn't say anything about it, wouldn't that have been more suspicious?
Kitsunemimi
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Oh, if you're referring to this:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Lilac wrote:

Mimi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.
......Mou. You totally gave me away...!! You should've known that calling me Hina here would cause ambiguity and/or confusion ;_;
I quoted that post because it was the most relevant. I was actually referring to the original post where he first calls me "Hina", which is basically how Jinxy figured out my role.

I realize picking Hina would be pretty obvious on me, but I didn't realize my role would also reveal itself like this ._.
Tanzklaue
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I wonder how lilac was able to breadcrumb such a thing in day 1.

or why you, kitsune, would feel pressured by something that basically only can be mere assumption except in one case.

and why jinxy would pick the breadcrumb up now and directly deduct from it that hina has to be in the game and hina has to be the PGO.
Kitsunemimi
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Lilac already explained why he calls me Hina, it's the legitimate reason.

And I wasn't pressured, I just had no reason not to claim anymore because the mafia would be able to assume I'm PGO.

And Jinxy picked up the breadcrumb because he's smart, and someone mentioning an actual Touhou name is a really obvious giveaway.
Lilac probably hadn't expected me to pick Hina because it was so obvious actually.
Tanzklaue
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also, lilac, could you be by any chance be nitori? seeing how I wanted her aswell (she was the first of my 3 options), you have a cosplay of her according to your post history, and how I ended up with my second choice, nazrin.

either her, or yuuka. or someone you didn't ever mention in this forum (but that would be a useless breadcrumb for everyone but a selected few. also I believe you are female when you cosplay a lot of female characters?)
fartownik
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

Lilac already explained why he calls me Hina, it's the legitimate reason.
Why would he do that in the first place? Why to such an obnoxious, weird thing? Maybe for someone to pick it up and then be able to claim something pretty convenient.
Kitsunemimi
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Don't ask me why, he was the one who did it.

Again, I said he probably hadn't expect me to pick Hina in the first place.
fartownik
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He did it for someone to notice (JInxy) so you have a reason to claim so people stay away from you during the night and the only way to kill you would be a lynch.
Kitsunemimi
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So are you saying I'm a mafia-aligned PGO then? Wouldn't that be a bit OP? Also, if I were, I would've went with drawing attention to myself so everyone else gets killed, instead of trying to push it away from me.

Also, what you just suggested is so risky. In order for someone to have figured out the case, first of all, someone MUST pick up Lilac's reference to my character. Second of all, someone MUST target me during the night, and die. I never planned for it to happen, nor have I even made a single effort for towards that (because I'm trying to avoid getting townies killed here). And thirdly, someone had to have been able to connect the 'unfortunate' death of whoever targetted me to myself. I don't even know the extent to Jinxy's knowledge of Touhou, there's no way we can rely on a method like this which is so reliant on uncontrolled variables. No way I would do it anyways.

Plus, it goes against what I suggested in the first place, that is, if I were Mafia PGO, I'd already be trying to get people to come get me checked.
fartownik
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That's why he made that breadcrumb so early, it was not the main tactic of yours, it was more like a gambit. Also I don't say you're a mafia-aligned PGO, I say you are lying about your role. No one would check you during the night, because they would be afraid of dying. This is pretty smart.
Kitsunemimi
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Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
fartownik
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
Tanzklaue
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fartownik wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
flavour does hint at the role. up until now, every claim made sense, and the flavour fitted the role.

especially since pieguy said that he would chose a character and give that character a fitting role.
Kitsunemimi
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fartownik wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
Seriously? I really hope you don't mean that "Touhou PyP" in the game name has no significance in the roles we get.

Unless you meant that the role doesn't have to fit the action in which case I ask you: do you think it's more likely that an SK performed his kill by pushing Rantai down the stairs (when SK kills are usually just denoted by just "killed"), or he just game to visit me, and de to my terrible bad luck, he tripped down the stairs, hit his head, and actually died from it.

I think the 'hit his head' part is important here.
Kitsunemimi
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Oh my god I suck at typing on my phone.

he just came to visit me, and due to my terrible bad luck*
fartownik
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Yes, I meant the cause of death shouldn't be a tell of someone's role.
Kitsunemimi
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Tbh I think it's a pretty normal thing to make the kill indicative of the role of the person who killed them... That's the whole point of having a story, isn't it?
fartownik
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Yes, when it's an open setup with known roles, but if the host does that with a closed one, when all the roles are unknown it's pretty much spoiling the game.
fartownik
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Also the only thing that the stupid no lynch gave us is a possibility of scum being in that wagon, and it's high. You simply let mafia pick whoever they wanted to kill while keeping WIFOM and letting them hide as much information as they need. Also if we lynched D1 we'd have some useful information before the night which could interfere with the actual night actions for the better. Also obvious chance for hitting scum D1 was lost.

That's why I think there's at least 1 scum in that damn wagon.
Kitsunemimi
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So then it's just a coincidence that someone died in a rather mundane way which makes it look like it has something to do with bad luck, which is what I had supposedly been wanting to happen so that I can fakeclaim Hina as PGO?
Tanzklaue
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fart, if we had lynched, then we would be probably in a MyLo situation now.
fartownik
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Fine, you're most likely not lying. Your train of thought and the answers for my questions seem Town, which also leans Lilac Town a bit more too.

Leaves Tanzklaue and RB from the no lynch wagon. I had a townread on Tanz and a possible scumread for all the game on RB, so it's him. He's probably scum with Kanye (good coincidence there).

Unvote
Vote: RB
Raging Bull
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I voted NL since Tanz said pressuring Lilac won't do anything within that hour before lynch even occurs.
Lilac
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Vote: RB.

You should have realised that before you even voted for me. It seemed to me that you were voting to waste time instead of either voting one of the two people that was close to being lynched or no lynching much earlier.
pieguyn
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votecount 2.1:

Raging Bull (2) - fartownik, Lilac

deadline is in 82:51
Tanzklaue
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let's look even deeper into this issue...

up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.

with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.

so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.

overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.

Vote: RB
Royston
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Let's turn the heat up.

Vote: Raging Bull
Lilac
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Unvote.

Not risking a quick hammer. I wanted to build pressure only.
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:)
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Raging Bull
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Tanzklaue wrote:

let's look even deeper into this issue...

up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.

with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.

so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.

overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.

Vote: RB
Raging Bull
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fuck my internet this is what I wanted to say.



I voted for Lilac because of how he looked like he knew there was 3 people in a scum team. His questioning on Kitsune looked faked and staged too me as a way for distancing, especially with such a time zone difference and the time between the replies. And him wanting to vote but feel uncomfortable for voting. There shouldn't be a reason why.

You are reading way too much into it if I cared you got lynch or if I wanted NL. I stated why I thought Lilac was scum so I in turn voted for him. Then you stated how there is no point in pressuring Lilac at that point anymore and by the time I even get to reply, people just went on the no lynch wagon. Either I voted for you or Kanye or go for NL at that point of time no longer made a difference.
Lilac
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There's a lot of things that don't add up...and honestly there's just one big problem.

Vote: RB. Why the hell did you not vote for me again? I'm only uncomfortable in voting when I don't have a reason to vote for someone and I even said that when I wanted to vote for Kanye but didn't have my computer to do it.

Trust me, I'm having a hard time deciding who's scum and you're not helping. So you'll need something much more to convince at least me why you aren't scum.

You're welcome, too.
pieguyn
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votecount 2.2:

Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP

deadline is in 71:04
Raging Bull
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Okay so let me see.

I didn't vote for you because I wanted to give you a chance and see how the hell you got 3 scum. You did and gave me the formula and so I also looked around games and they did tend to follow it. So that was one huge chunk of suspicion you helped removed. Also you didn't even stated you wanted Kanye to get lynched, you only mentioned Tanz. You also mentioned you were strongly against no lynching and after Rantai went on no lynch too, you just decided to go on no lynch. You could have tried to convince even more instead of just hopping on it, but yet you easily gave up. If you really were going to try hard and scum hunt, you shouldn't give up at all.

Honestly, the way it grew, at least one scum is on my wagon. My suspicion is still on you, but obviously voting on you would just make it OMGUS at this point.


@fart, what have I done that gave you a scum read on me?
Lilac
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I am actually severely handicapped right about now since I have capped internet until 11th of this month. Not to mentioned I'm stressed out about this game but ignore that.

1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.

2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.

Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
fartownik
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Lilac wrote:

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

Lilac wrote:

Vote: No Lynch

Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.

I will get to the bottom of this.
So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.

Unvote
Tanzklaue
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fartownik wrote:

Lilac wrote:

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

Lilac wrote:

Vote: No Lynch

Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.

I will get to the bottom of this.
So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.

Unvote
at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Tanzklaue
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also, what lilac said wasn't that he/she (could someone please answer ;;) voted NL because it's a terrible idea, but because the high potential of hitting town is even worse, considering how one townie was already dead.
fartownik
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Tanzklaue wrote:

at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.

Vote: Kanye
Tanzklaue
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fartownik wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.

Vote: Kanye
I couldn't have voted kanye.

the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
fartownik
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Tanzklaue wrote:

I couldn't have voted kanye.

the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
Oh shit, I didn't notice that.

It doesn't change the fact that Lilac voted something he thought was a bad idea. No Lynch itself is a way to decrease the losses in Town population, so he contradicted himself there. The vote was just too convenient.
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It's probably because I didn't know how the votes worked but I wouldn't vote for someone with that little time to think. I'm not sure why I wanted a No Lynch at the end but I really don't know anything anymore...

Let me just think for a bit. I'll get back to all of you tomorrow when I'll actually try and get my thoughts straight.
fartownik
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@mod: deadline please
Lilac
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Should be around 68 hours from now.
pieguyn
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deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT, 69:02 from now
Jinxy
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Wait you mean mimi was really hina? what

Well, reading back to before N1 started, I agree that RB's sudden switch to Lilac after saying he was more suspicious of Kanye/Sakura is quite scummy in itself, but the same can be said for Lilac's No Lynch vote, which fart picked up on just now. That timeframe there is just a massive blur to me, after the 7 pages of back and forth. I'll reread it later to see if I can find anything else new.

Another thing that caught my attention is Royston bringing RB to L-1. He may be new, but he should have known that bringing anyone to L-1 so early in the day isn't a good idea because it allows for the quickhammer. His reasoning was to "bring the heat up", which is a weak reasoning when RB's already the far majority in votes. I feel he's just trying to get onto a wagon and stay there undetected, so I'll just ask him the question.
Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
Lilac
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Well sorry, Ojou-sama.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Lilac wrote:

I am actually severely handicapped right about now since I have capped internet until 11th of this month. Not to mentioned I'm stressed out about this game but ignore that.

1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.

2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.

3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?

4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.

Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
My internet sucks too.

No, you did no such thing of mentioning Kanye lynch is better than Tanz. You mentioned how you rather lynch than no lynch.

You had approx 6 hours from the time you mentioned no lynch is bad and when you voted NL and within that time, BRBP, Tanz, Rantai, and I were online. That is plenty of opportunity.

No, there was only one town dead in D1 and that was NH. What are you even saying?

Why are you contradicting yourself a lot now?
Royston
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Royston

Jinxy wrote:

Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
reaction testing

Not concerned about a quickhammer. I know town wouldn't hammer, so if someone hammered & RB flipped town then we have a known scum. That's all.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi

Royston wrote:

Not concerned about a quickhammer. I know town wouldn't hammer, so if someone hammered & RB flipped town then we have a known scum. That's all.
What's up with that? Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too", and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything. You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.

Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Royston
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Royston

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too"
Sure, but if someone decided to hammer so early in the day then it's a safe bet they're not town; unless the player lynched is scum, of course.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything.
I'm not clear on what you mean by this.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.
Hah, well some of us are.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Yes, if we get scum. I'd much prefer a mislynch over no lynch, at least we gain info that way. We're already in a bad spot, we can't afford to play it safe.

Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. By tomorrow morning I expect to have some votes on me! Don't let me down scum!

Oh, and unvote for now.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I find it funny how you pop out of nowhere and just jumped on my bandwagon without any justified reasoning for the vote.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Royston wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.
Hah, well some of us are.
slip one

Royston wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Yes, if we get scum. I'd much prefer a mislynch over no lynch, at least we gain info that way. We're already in a bad spot, we can't afford to play it safe.
slip 2. there was no reason to assume that there would be a no lynch today.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Uuughhh... the stuff that you just said was... just weird. Like, I'm not even going to say your response was that scummy in particular, but goddamn, I feel as if I'm obliged to reply.

Royston wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too"
Sure, but if someone decided to hammer so early in the day then it's a safe bet they're not town; unless the player lynched is scum, of course.
Some of the players in this game have innately shakey reasoning, even if they might turn out to be town, such as BRBP and Tanz (though we don't know if Tanz is scum or not). It's because of this that I really simply don't trust them to not hammer, even if they may be town. In other words, the person to throw down the hammer is ambiguous.

Royston wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything.
I'm not clear on what you mean by this.
Stating a hypothetical situation where RB flipped town from a quickhammer where there wasn't enough evidence. Which would be incredibly stupid, especially given my above point which states that the person who hammers isn't guaranteed to be scum.

Royston wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Yes, if we get scum. I'd much prefer a mislynch over no lynch, at least we gain info that way. We're already in a bad spot, we can't afford to play it safe.
I don't know about you, but I don't think I would be that okay with a mislynch at this stage. I would be okay if we lynched scum, and only scum. You even said it yourself, we're in a pretty bad situation right now, but then suddenly your reasoning falls apart and you say we can't afford to play it safe? I'm not even sure if that makes sense? Usually when you're in situations where you can't really mess up, that's when you try to play safely, so you make it out okay...?
The only thing I can see as what you were trying to say is "we don't really have the option to play it safe anymore", which I wouldn't really consider to be the case, as that would be LyLo.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi

Tanzklaue wrote:

Royston wrote:

(You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.) (kitsune)
Hah, well some of us are.
slip one.
He's implying the mafia knows.
He's not implying that he is mafia. (would be too obvious for me to consider as scumslip)
He could be implying that he is Mason.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

slip one.
He's implying the mafia knows.
He's not implying that he is mafia. (would be too obvious for me to consider as scumslip)
He could be implying that he is Mason.
the point of a slip is that it's unintentional.

I also don't think that it's a strong enough slip to vote, but it still is quite interesting.

@royston: who do you think is scum and why?
fartownik
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fartownik
@Tanz: when I read that it looked like a funny way to say that only the Mafia knows who's Town, not really a slip.

I'm just unsure whether his vote on RB was because he's newbie Town or newbie scum. Also @Royston: why unvoting?
Lilac
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Lilac

Raging Bull wrote:

My internet sucks too.

No, you did no such thing of mentioning Kanye lynch is better than Tanz. You mentioned how you rather lynch than no lynch.

You had approx 6 hours from the time you mentioned no lynch is bad and when you voted NL and within that time, BRBP, Tanz, Rantai, and I were online. That is plenty of opportunity.

No, there was only one town dead in D1 and that was NH. What are you even saying?

Why are you contradicting yourself a lot now?
I might not have mentioned it explicitly but the implication was more than obvious.

Out of the 6 hours, 4 of that was lectures and about an hour was in transit to get home. I can't come up with scum hunting on the fly like that without it being utterly terrible.

I'm not talking about D1. I'm talking about right now.

The hell was anything contradicting? Also, you need to make your next post completely wisely because I've breadcrumbed a lot of things that you should have picked up and realised by now. There was one part especially for you RB but to be honest, I think you're going to waste it.
Royston
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Royston

Tanzklaue wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

He's implying the mafia knows.
He's not implying that he is mafia. (would be too obvious for me to consider as scumslip)
He could be implying that he is Mason.
the point of a slip is that it's unintentional.

I also don't think that it's a strong enough slip to vote, but it still is quite interesting.

@royston: who do you think is scum and why?
Um yeah, I'm implying the mafia knows. Unless there's something weird like a traitor going on, but I doubt it.

As for who I think is scum and why, the back and forth hasn't really done much to change my mind; I still think you're probably scum, for the reasons stated in my previous posts.

Kanye is also a possible scumspect of mine because of his inactivity. Of course, if he happens to be town then that makes him an attractive voting target for scum who can simply say "well, he was lurking, how was I to know?"

Some of the players in this game have innately shakey reasoning, even if they might turn out to be town, such as BRBP and Tanz (though we don't know if Tanz is scum or not). It's because of this that I really simply don't trust them to not hammer, even if they may be town.
Sure, fair enough.

Raging Bull wrote:

I find it funny how you pop out of nowhere and just jumped on my bandwagon without any justified reasoning for the vote.
Correct, I didn't have any reasoning. Frankly I still have a null read on you, the vote was a reaction test simply for pressure.

Tanzklaue wrote:

slip 2. there was no reason to assume that there would be a no lynch today.
What? I don't understand. My interpretation of what you said is "town would have no reason to assume a no lynch, but you did, hence you're mafia" ? But why would mafia assume a no lynch? If that's not what you meant, I apologize.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Lilac wrote:

I might not have mentioned it explicitly but the implication was more than obvious.

Out of the 6 hours, 4 of that was lectures and about an hour was in transit to get home. I can't come up with scum hunting on the fly like that without it being utterly terrible.

I'm not talking about D1. I'm talking about right now.

The hell was anything contradicting? Also, you need to make your next post completely wisely because I've breadcrumbed a lot of things that you should have picked up and realised by now. There was one part especially for you RB but to be honest, I think you're going to waste it.
The implication was vague. You just wanted a lynch, you probably didn't even care who it was. The implication was just that. You just wanted a lynch.

No, your sentence was talking about D1. On D2, you did not scumhunt anyone at all. You just went for me. D1 was the day when you scumhunt Tanz, Mimi, BRBP. On D2, 3 town died. See the contradiction?

I cannot read breadcrumb (more because of my inability to do so),but I assume it's about me since something did happen to me last night.
fartownik
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fartownik
Can we just lynch Kanye already
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Posted: 2 days ago
Christ. Prod: Kanye West for the third fucking time

Is there a "3 Prods and you're out" rule

There should be a rule like that

Honestly though, I'm not entirely confident of lynching Kanye. I don't remember playing a game where he was scum, so I don't have firsthand experience of how much he lurks when scum, and I really don't like relying on meta due to its assumptions and how easy it is to trick it, as Rantai pointed out D1.
___________________________________________________

On the other hand, Royston's reasons are starting to look scummy to me. He basically admitted that he put RB on L-1 for "pressure" (which as I've said, is a weak reason) while not actually thinking he's scum.

Royston wrote:

Frankly I still have a null read on you, the vote was a reaction test simply for pressure.
I'm personally up for lynching scummy people than inactives who are assumed to be scummy due to only meta, so Vote: Royston
fartownik
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fartownik
@mod: votecount + Prod Kanye
fartownik
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fartownik
Also it's not just the inactivity from Kanye. He basically does anything but IIoA, didn't even mention/gave any explanations why he's inactive, didn't question why he's being suspected so much. I know he's inactive, but still - he has some posts and none of them mention any of the arguments I listed here.

Just come on... isn't this pooting obvious?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Jinxy wrote:

Posted: 2 days ago
Christ. Prod: Kanye West for the third fucking time

Is there a "3 Prods and you're out" rule

There should be a rule like that
there is. if you get prodded 3 times, you technically get auto replaced.

not sure though if it will be enforced here.


I also find royston decently fishy. his reasoning of how he would prefer misslynching over NL when there is no indicator for NL at all is out of place, and his openly admitted acceptance of risking to lynch someone he doesn't even have a nullread is downright scummy. you should never take a relative sure misslynch over potential scumlynches.

@RB: what happened to you this night?
fartownik
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fartownik
I'd rather lynch someone that's heavily experienced in the game and acts scummy as fuck than someone who plays the game first time and makes a potential slip. He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip. Not seeing it is scummy.
Royston
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Royston
@Jinxy since you're voting me, who do you think the remaining scum are?

Tanzklaue wrote:

I also find royston decently fishy. his reasoning of how he would prefer misslynching over NL when there is no indicator for NL at all is out of place, and his openly admitted acceptance of risking to lynch someone he doesn't even have a nullread is downright scummy. you should never take a relative sure misslynch over potential scumlynches.
What's the difference between a 'relative sure misslynch' and a 'potential scumlynch'? Either someone's scum, or they're not. What makes you say RB's a relative sure misslynch, anyway?

fratownik wrote:

He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip.
Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
Jinxy
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Jinxy

Royston wrote:

@Jinxy since you're voting me, who do you think the remaining scum are?
Remaining scum, you say? Interesting choice of words there.

To humor you, I still have my doubts on fart because of his tunneling and attacks on me D1 (which I still have the opinion that his reasons were ridiculous). Just noticed that he seems to be helping you provide excuses for your L-1 vote, too.

fartownik wrote:

He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip. Not seeing it is scummy.
Another thing I don't like is the "newbie" argument, which also works on unfounded assumptions. iirc, NH or someone pulled that argument in some other forum and steamrolled that game because the other players fell for it.

Next in my list would be either Lilac or RB, which I covered 2 posts ago. Their actions pre-N1 are still reading weirdly to me, but it's just a faint suspicion, compared to you and fart.


Royston wrote:

Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
Explain, what kind of "something"?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
@tanz, I rather not say until Lilac says. (Or if he is nice enough to quote the post with breadcrumb and I will look from there.)
Lilac
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Lilac
That last sentence shows you've at least somewhat understand now and I hope we don't have to continue this discussion further, RB.

Unvote. Waking up now.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Last sentence as in the post one before your message to Tanz.
Lilac
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Lilac
Vote: Kanye.

I just can't... Even if he does answer his prod, anything he says will be so weak for me because he's not even doing anything. His last post was 3 days ago and his only serious vote was Tanz.

If we think scum is inactive, usually now is a good time to lynch because too late and it's all over.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
Vote: Kanye
Lilac
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Lilac
Tanz...

Are you going to do anything like...productive? For example, give a reason.

Or do I have to recall my 5 years of German to slap your face with?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I'm sorry, it's hot as shit over here and I didn't feel like giving much of a reasoning.

my reasoning basically didn't change too much from day 1. still high inactivity, paired with almost no content when he actually posts.
Lilac
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Lilac

Kanye West wrote:

BMin can have my spot if he wants. I'm lazy to play mafia while hosting anyway :P
I had to read over this topic and stumble across this, said before he got his role. It's not enough to make me take my vote off him but damn, it's making me reconsider.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac

pieguy wrote:

Please, don't join if you won't be able to be active > <
Alright, I don't feel as bad now.
pieguyn
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Topic Starter
pieguyn
votecount 2.3:

Kanye West (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Tanzklaue (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP

deadline is in 28:05
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