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Sakura
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Sakura
Because a doctor can save me so I can revive people obviously.

@Tanz: It WILL help, but the way you're going, you're just going to run everyone to danger and force them to claim, so at this pace, what good did it do to say no to mass claiming? we already know the characters and abilities of 3 people, and you want to reveal a 4th.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I don't want to reveal a 4th. I want to catch scum. I think kanye is scum. a claim is normally only the last resort, if nothing else helps anymore. anybody you'll try to lynch will claim sooner or later, since everyone has a PR. not going after scum because they might be a useful PR is just not an good argument.
Sakura
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Tanzklaue wrote:

I don't want to reveal a 4th. I want to catch scum. I think kanye is scum. a claim is normally only the last resort, if nothing else helps anymore. anybody you'll try to lynch will claim sooner or later, since everyone has a PR. not going after scum because they might be a useful PR is just not an good argument.
Like you?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
no, because I am not scum.

it actually doesn't help to discuss anything with you. I will wait until RB, lilac etc. come back and post their opinions. they will basically decide what happens from now on.
Sakura
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Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

no, because I am not scum.
Oh really! How interesting.
Sakura
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Sakura
You're the same as kanye... you MIGHT be a useful town PR, or you MIGHT be an useless scum PR. I might be a useful Town PR, or I might be a useful scum PR, there's simply no way of telling, i'm just going by your attitude so far which seems to stem on wanting to deflect onto one of the inactives, kanye.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
....I honestly think this has gotten too far...
Sakura
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Sakura
just because I'm death tunneling Tanz to figure his alignment?
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
You guys haven't really proven anything in the last few pages, it was just a straight back-and-forth argument. At this rate, you guys are just making yourself look worse imo. Sometimes it's better to just step back and rethink your strategy, no?

I'll agree with you that Tanz still looks pretty suspicious, his claim was kinda weird, and going after lurkers instead isn't really the best thing to do. But since you've been hammering away so hard on him, it's made it really hard for other people to post. At least, I personally couldn't come up with much to say. We need consensus to lynch people, right? So let's wait a bit and have a listen on what other people think?
fartownik
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fartownik
Last posts before heading to the bed.

Look at the page 31. Then look at the total amount of pages. 38-31 = 7. You have been fighting with Tanz for 7 pages straight, don't you think a solution would already be found if there was an actual one for this? I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
;~;
Sakura
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Sakura
Those 7 pages helped me figure out Tanz stances and reasons, so they aren't a waste.

You never replied to my statement regarding kanye's town meta tho
VoidnOwO
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Sakura
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BRBP wrote:

Right, Kanye...

I'd rather lynch scummy people instead of inactive people first.
That's EXACTLY what i've been trying to say those 7 pages, OMG someone that understands has appeared.
fartownik
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fartownik
omg Sakura + BRBP scumteam
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
The problem is that I'm not sure if Tanz is scummy enough for us to be so focused on him. I don't really feel like looking for it, but Kanye said something like "acting scummy =/= actually being scum". In the end, because of this uncertainty, the likelihood of either Tanz or Kanye flipping town is probably somewhat similar - that is, I'm almost equally unsure of whether Kanye is scum as I am unsure of Tanz. Of course, to me, Tanz is more scummy, but not everyone agrees...
Raging Bull
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I voted for Kanye based on how he played in DotA, granted there wasn't much.


@Kanye, then actually start posting more instead of popping in after every prod.


fartownik wrote:

I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.

Truthfully, I only read up to like page 34.

@Sakura, did you honestly get anything out of it? Or are you still just tunnelling the hell out of Tanz? Honestly, only thing I agreed was the claim and how odd it was for Tanz to claim gunsmith and then got confused the hell out his own "role" , but other than that, during your back and forth argument, did you honestly get anything at all? What is your stance on Tanz then?

I think for the time being, my current suspects are Tanz/Sakura. To me, one is probably scum. Tunnelling the hell out of a useful player? Or Roleclaiming but doesn't seem like he knows his own role? Both.....maybe scum but a very low chance. I don't think anyone would argue for 7 pages and be scum buddies.

Kanye for his general activity here. The only time he tends to post is after a prod. He's saying he's actually busy during DotA but this time, you can see he obviously moderates his own game.

BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
Sakura
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Exactly, you must look at intent, which is why I'm voting Tanz.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
I'm also reminded that if we're all really unsure, then it's still possible to go for No Lynch, but that might not be such a good idea after all...?
Sakura
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The fact that there's a 2-shot reviver, means that anything could happen

inb4 town reviver to counter scum dayvig.
Sakura
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

I'm also reminded that if we're all really unsure, then it's still possible to go for No Lynch, but that might not be such a good idea after all...?
Actually it would, we already lost 1 towny today, we could assume we lynched NH instead.

Vote: No Lynch
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi

Raging Bull wrote:

BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
Remember when BRBP made his post to reply to all of the suspicions held against him? Since pieguy had confirmed his dayvig status afterwards, that also most likely means that everything he said in that post was true. I had grilled him pretty hard with the post I made too, and considering how close he was to the fire, as well as his previous (thoughtless?) contradictions/errors, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't lie about anything in that post, in which he did explicitly state that he was 1-shot dayvig, town aligned. Combine that with the likelyhood of a mafia aligned dayvig, and he's almost certainly town.

You can pretty much never be 100% sure, but that's kind of how mafia is... right?
Sakura
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As I said, we already had 1 casualty today, let's keep it that way I don't want to risk having 2 townies dead in the case both tanz and kanye are both town.
Kitsunemimi
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Alright I think I'll stick a vote in No Lynch for now, and hope this works out for the better >_<

Vote: No lynch

If this goes through, then Kanye, I really really hope you use the time to start to posting more, as it would help us settle this debate.
If you STILL continue with your inactivity, then I'm going to start to see that as pretty suspicious...
pieguyn
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Votecount 1.8:

Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Lilac, Kanye West
Kanye West (3) - Raging Bull, fartownik, Tanzklaue
No lynch (2) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi
Jinxy (1) - BRBP
fartownik (1) - Jinxy

deadline is in 9:42
btw, in case I didn't mention it before, ties go to the player who had the most votes before the tie
Lilac
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Unvote.

There is no way I'm taking the risk for now on voting for Tanz even if I think that the idea of a Gunsmith being around as that could be either Town or Mafia and that the mafia scenario is griping at me. I can't do a deduction of a vote while hearing a math lecture at the same time while typing this but I think I have a good enough idea now as to what to do at night tonight.

I'll explain why I have two possible scum teams in mind. A no lynch though, is a very terrible idea in my eyes. Even though we already have a town down, leaving a day without a lynch means a day that town leaves without an informed decision on who is mafia. A Kanye lynch will see whether one of the possible scum teams that I have in mind are true.

I will explain more when I can.
Raging Bull
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Unvote

Vote:Lilac

Somehow it looks as though you are just gonna go along with the lynch and not get involved. Recent behavior has been rather irritating me. You've been hopping around back and forth way too much for me.

Lilac wrote:

I also forgot about the possibility of a Serial Killer to balance the mafia of 3. That is definitely a possibility.
Scumslip? How do you know there are 3 mafias?

I also cannot tell if the small little thing on Kitsunemimi was just distancing. Within one hour of your post, you voted for Kitsune and then unvoted. Used day chat to coordinate this little scene?

And then afterwards, you switched so fast to tanz to perhaps join up on his bandwagon that was starting to happen. You said you were going to post reasoning, yet it never happened. Seems as though you targetted Kitsunemimi first then Tanz so tanz would have a harder time to give a reply without saying exactly what Kitsunemimi said.


Also rantai is my new hero

Rantai wrote:

In less subtle words, come at me now. We'll see how good you are.
Lilac
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The formula for the most optimal mafia game is m divide by the square root of P, where m is the number of mafia and P is the number of players. I don't know if there are three mafia but I am confident that there is.

I did go for Tanz in the hope of getting reason on him but, like I said in my previous post, I just did not have the time to think straight while in class and I still can't right now when I'm out and about to get home. I'm not getting involved in any lynch because I can not focus right now on to who I want to lynch. I probably won't get home in time before the hammer occurs but I will explain everything tomorrow.
Lilac
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EBWOP: Tomorrow as in the next day in this game.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
so...square root of 12 = mafia?
Lilac
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Yes. That's how I see it. Use that number to also resolve how much kills and lunches it takes to get to Lylo and that's how I see that formula can hold true.
Lilac
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Lilac
lynches* My phone does that a lot.
Raging Bull
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What do you think about Kitsunemimi right now? What is your stance on his(her not sure) no lynch that he offered?
VoidnOwO
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Lilac
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I think I already stated my stance on this.

Lilac wrote:

Even though we already have a town down, leaving a day without a lynch means a day that town leaves without an informed decision on who is mafia. A Kanye lynch will see whether one of the possible scum teams that I have in mind are true.
Reason I didn't vote for Kanye is because I was not in the right mindset at the time to give a reason and I would never vote anyone without a well thought out reason behind it.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
deadline is approaching.

RB, pressuring lilac now means that you go indirectly for a lynch against me. if you don't want that, then you shouldn't keep your vote on lilac.

I'm all for pressuring different people, but the deadline is too close to do much pressuring now.
Lilac
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If memory serves there's about 50 minutes left or maybe even less so just hang on until I get home. I'll figure something out even though I'm starving. I will get home in about less than 30 so that should be barely enough time to get something out. This is like a marathon guys, stay with me here.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Votecount 1.(9):

Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Kanye West, BRBP
Kanye West (2) - fartownik, Tanzklaue
No lynch (2) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
Lilac (1) - Raging Bull

deadline is in 0:53
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Lilac wrote:

If memory serves there's about 50 minutes left or maybe even less so just hang on until I get home. I'll figure something out even though I'm starving. I will get home in about less than 30 so that should be barely enough time to get something out. This is like a marathon guys, stay with me here.
for me it's like I'm in CPR.

RB, why would you chose now out of all moments to pressure lilac? if you're unsure about kanye being scum after all, say it. if you still think he is likely scum, or more likely than me, then vote him. or else I am most likely dead.
Rantai
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Rantai

Sakura wrote:

Actually it would, we already lost 1 towny today, we could assume we lynched NH instead.

Vote: No Lynch
Holy crap, something in that pile of arguments that makes sense.

Taking a lynch now (with high probability of mislynch) means we're likely going to have to take a no-lynch somewhere down the track anyway (going on the assumption of a 3:9 ratio) because of the messed up numbers. I'd say better to do it now than later.

Vote: No lynch

God I wish my placement ended earlier.
Lilac
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Vote: No Lynch

Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.

I will get to the bottom of this.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
Vote: No Lynch

there won't be a kanye lynch, so there is no reason for me not to vote no lynch now.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
vote no lynch
pieguyn
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pieguyn
oh great sorry for late I was watching Railgun S o.o

Votecount 1.10:

No lynch (6) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi, Rantai, Lilac, Tanzklaue, Raging Bull
Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Kanye West, BRBP
Kanye West (1) - fartownik
fartownik (1) - Jinxy

*slowly opens door and enters room*
uuu...have you all figured out who did this.. > <

After much commotion and yelling, even after it was supposed to be figured out, the general consensus was that they were going to lynch someone named No Lynch.
hey, what kind of person would be named No Lynch?
No wait, they didn't want to lynch anyone.
but I want justice NOW > < and it's no fun if we don't get to kill anyone... oh well, I guess it can't be helped...
Remi spoke in a sad voice. it seems you made her sad, way to go you heartless people @_@

It is N1. The deadline is 8/1 9:00 GMT, 23:43 from now
pieguyn
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Everyone woke up. However, they immediately noticed something was wrong. As they went from the second floor of the mansion where their rooms were down to the first, they immediately saw a petite figure with horns passed out at the bottom, bleeding. They immediately recognized it as Ibuki Suika, so they figured she just got drunk or something, but when they looked at her, it turned out she hit her head and died..

Rantai (Ibuki Suika) - Neighborizer - fell down a staircase N1

once everyone got downstairs, they immediately noticed someone else was missing. she was so cheerful, plus she was beautifully dressed as a miko.. how could anyone ever forget? They immediately ran back to her room only to find she was stabbed while she was sleeping..

Sakura (Kochiya Sanae) - 2-shot VT Reviver - killed N1

so 2 people died? uuu..this is getting weird, we must figure out what's going on quickly. let's go again ~

It is D2. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT (95:36 from now)
VoidnOwO
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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I got no result, so I guess I got roleblocked :/

I targeted lilac for the record.
also we have either a SK or a vig amongst us. since there already was a dayvig, and the killmessage says something special, I would say it's probably a SK.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
nvm sakura has a stabbed message, so we can't actually conclude anything from that :/
Raging Bull
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I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
Raging Bull
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Well actually....


@Mod, does Neighborizer die if he recruits mafia?
pieguyn
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pieguyn

Raging Bull wrote:

Well actually....


@Mod, does Neighborizer die if he recruits mafia?
nope
Masonizer is the one that dies in this case :P
Lilac
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Raging Bull wrote:

I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)

I got a bit distraught there. Give me a bit while I have dinner.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
@mod: would we know if rantai was suicidal?

if he was then that could explain why he was so uninterested in this game.

or he just got vigkilled/SK killed and was bored by this game for real.
pieguyn
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pieguyn

Tanzklaue wrote:

@mod: would we know if rantai was suicidal?
yes
Jinxy
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I get the feeling Rantai's death description is trying to hint to the killer's identity, it's way too different when compared to Sakura's. It certainly sounds... unlucky...

So I'm wondering about this post from Lilac:
[quote="Lilac":1337]Here's why. This was a quote that Hina/Mimi said about Tanz.Is that some sort of nickname, or...?
Kanye West
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Raging Bull wrote:

I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
Well from a pure game balance perspective, 20-30% of players should be scum so 3 scum makes the most sense. 2 mafia and 1 sk is the most probable outcome based on what happened at night because I don't think we would have 2 vigs.
Lilac
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Mi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.

Second hint. My character is someone I have a cosplay of too. Not much of a hint but eh.
Lilac
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Mimi*

At the time I didn't know what his character was but I'm surprised he chose Nazrin.
Royston
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Royston
There could also be a Paranoid Gun Owner, right? Is that likely or not?
Rantai
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Rantai
*table flip*

Gl.
Raging Bull
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Royston wrote:

There could also be a Paranoid Gun Owner, right? Is that likely or not?
I suppose, but I do not know what touhou (lackof touhou knowledge in general) character carries a gun and is paranoid.
Jinxy
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I'm thinking the one who killed Rantai might be killed Hina Kagiyama, a misfortune god, and also why I asked clarification on Lilac's nickname on Mimi.

It would fit the cause of death (warned you about the stairs bro) quite well, I think. I was thinking it might be a SK, but now that you say it, she might be a PGO that causes misfortune to anyone that visits her.
fartownik
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fartownik
cool story

Vote: Kanye West
fartownik
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fartownik
And if there's a Doctor - you possibly ruined the game for Town. Also there's scum in the NL wagon, possibly RB.
Kitsunemimi
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Lilac wrote:

At the time I didn't know what his character was but I'm surprised he chose Nazrin.
It was Tanz who chose Nazrin. Though I kinda like Naz~

And,

Lilac wrote:

Mimi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.
......Mou. You totally gave me away...!! You should've known that calling me Hina here would cause ambiguity and/or confusion ;_;

I guess it's fine for you to continue calling me that though, because I am indeed Hina Kagiyama. (yes, it's red, not green)

Jinxy wrote:

she might be a PGO that causes misfortune to anyone that visits her.
Pretty much ._.
Rantai neighbourized me last night.... and died, so now I'm essentially stuck with a forever alone neighbour chat ;~;
I honestly hadn't expected anyone to visit me last night though... I couldn't really think of a way to only draw mafia attention in without getting anyone else to target me (especially since Sakura was pretty much already their prime target), so I just acted normally, but I guess it was inevitable...

I was hoping I could get through a couple days without being visited, then, when the mafia had been whittled down a bit, grab their attention somehow to help secure the win for town relatively easily. It would been a lot better if we had more town alive, but we're like in the opposite scenario so like... ._.
fartownik
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So the only reason Kitsunemimi claims now is that Lilac mentioned his 'role' in the previous post? How is that not scummy?
Kitsunemimi
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Other people on this page suggested that I was PGO, it was pretty much figured out already :/
If I didn't say anything about it, wouldn't that have been more suspicious?
Kitsunemimi
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Oh, if you're referring to this:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Lilac wrote:

Mimi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.
......Mou. You totally gave me away...!! You should've known that calling me Hina here would cause ambiguity and/or confusion ;_;
I quoted that post because it was the most relevant. I was actually referring to the original post where he first calls me "Hina", which is basically how Jinxy figured out my role.

I realize picking Hina would be pretty obvious on me, but I didn't realize my role would also reveal itself like this ._.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I wonder how lilac was able to breadcrumb such a thing in day 1.

or why you, kitsune, would feel pressured by something that basically only can be mere assumption except in one case.

and why jinxy would pick the breadcrumb up now and directly deduct from it that hina has to be in the game and hina has to be the PGO.
Kitsunemimi
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Lilac already explained why he calls me Hina, it's the legitimate reason.

And I wasn't pressured, I just had no reason not to claim anymore because the mafia would be able to assume I'm PGO.

And Jinxy picked up the breadcrumb because he's smart, and someone mentioning an actual Touhou name is a really obvious giveaway.
Lilac probably hadn't expected me to pick Hina because it was so obvious actually.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
also, lilac, could you be by any chance be nitori? seeing how I wanted her aswell (she was the first of my 3 options), you have a cosplay of her according to your post history, and how I ended up with my second choice, nazrin.

either her, or yuuka. or someone you didn't ever mention in this forum (but that would be a useless breadcrumb for everyone but a selected few. also I believe you are female when you cosplay a lot of female characters?)
fartownik
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

Lilac already explained why he calls me Hina, it's the legitimate reason.
Why would he do that in the first place? Why to such an obnoxious, weird thing? Maybe for someone to pick it up and then be able to claim something pretty convenient.
Kitsunemimi
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Don't ask me why, he was the one who did it.

Again, I said he probably hadn't expect me to pick Hina in the first place.
fartownik
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He did it for someone to notice (JInxy) so you have a reason to claim so people stay away from you during the night and the only way to kill you would be a lynch.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
So are you saying I'm a mafia-aligned PGO then? Wouldn't that be a bit OP? Also, if I were, I would've went with drawing attention to myself so everyone else gets killed, instead of trying to push it away from me.

Also, what you just suggested is so risky. In order for someone to have figured out the case, first of all, someone MUST pick up Lilac's reference to my character. Second of all, someone MUST target me during the night, and die. I never planned for it to happen, nor have I even made a single effort for towards that (because I'm trying to avoid getting townies killed here). And thirdly, someone had to have been able to connect the 'unfortunate' death of whoever targetted me to myself. I don't even know the extent to Jinxy's knowledge of Touhou, there's no way we can rely on a method like this which is so reliant on uncontrolled variables. No way I would do it anyways.

Plus, it goes against what I suggested in the first place, that is, if I were Mafia PGO, I'd already be trying to get people to come get me checked.
fartownik
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fartownik
That's why he made that breadcrumb so early, it was not the main tactic of yours, it was more like a gambit. Also I don't say you're a mafia-aligned PGO, I say you are lying about your role. No one would check you during the night, because they would be afraid of dying. This is pretty smart.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
fartownik
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fartownik

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
flavour does hint at the role. up until now, every claim made sense, and the flavour fitted the role.

especially since pieguy said that he would chose a character and give that character a fitting role.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi

fartownik wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?

A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.
Seriously? I really hope you don't mean that "Touhou PyP" in the game name has no significance in the roles we get.

Unless you meant that the role doesn't have to fit the action in which case I ask you: do you think it's more likely that an SK performed his kill by pushing Rantai down the stairs (when SK kills are usually just denoted by just "killed"), or he just game to visit me, and de to my terrible bad luck, he tripped down the stairs, hit his head, and actually died from it.

I think the 'hit his head' part is important here.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Oh my god I suck at typing on my phone.

he just came to visit me, and due to my terrible bad luck*
fartownik
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fartownik
Yes, I meant the cause of death shouldn't be a tell of someone's role.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Tbh I think it's a pretty normal thing to make the kill indicative of the role of the person who killed them... That's the whole point of having a story, isn't it?
fartownik
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fartownik
Yes, when it's an open setup with known roles, but if the host does that with a closed one, when all the roles are unknown it's pretty much spoiling the game.
fartownik
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fartownik
Also the only thing that the stupid no lynch gave us is a possibility of scum being in that wagon, and it's high. You simply let mafia pick whoever they wanted to kill while keeping WIFOM and letting them hide as much information as they need. Also if we lynched D1 we'd have some useful information before the night which could interfere with the actual night actions for the better. Also obvious chance for hitting scum D1 was lost.

That's why I think there's at least 1 scum in that damn wagon.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
So then it's just a coincidence that someone died in a rather mundane way which makes it look like it has something to do with bad luck, which is what I had supposedly been wanting to happen so that I can fakeclaim Hina as PGO?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
fart, if we had lynched, then we would be probably in a MyLo situation now.
fartownik
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fartownik
Fine, you're most likely not lying. Your train of thought and the answers for my questions seem Town, which also leans Lilac Town a bit more too.

Leaves Tanzklaue and RB from the no lynch wagon. I had a townread on Tanz and a possible scumread for all the game on RB, so it's him. He's probably scum with Kanye (good coincidence there).

Unvote
Vote: RB
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I voted NL since Tanz said pressuring Lilac won't do anything within that hour before lynch even occurs.
Lilac
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Lilac
Vote: RB.

You should have realised that before you even voted for me. It seemed to me that you were voting to waste time instead of either voting one of the two people that was close to being lynched or no lynching much earlier.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
votecount 2.1:

Raging Bull (2) - fartownik, Lilac

deadline is in 82:51
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
let's look even deeper into this issue...

up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.

with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.

so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.

overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.

Vote: RB
Royston
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Royston
Let's turn the heat up.

Vote: Raging Bull
Lilac
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Lilac
Unvote.

Not risking a quick hammer. I wanted to build pressure only.
VoidnOwO
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Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

Tanzklaue wrote:

let's look even deeper into this issue...

up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.

with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.

so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.

overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.

Vote: RB
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
fuck my internet this is what I wanted to say.



I voted for Lilac because of how he looked like he knew there was 3 people in a scum team. His questioning on Kitsune looked faked and staged too me as a way for distancing, especially with such a time zone difference and the time between the replies. And him wanting to vote but feel uncomfortable for voting. There shouldn't be a reason why.

You are reading way too much into it if I cared you got lynch or if I wanted NL. I stated why I thought Lilac was scum so I in turn voted for him. Then you stated how there is no point in pressuring Lilac at that point anymore and by the time I even get to reply, people just went on the no lynch wagon. Either I voted for you or Kanye or go for NL at that point of time no longer made a difference.
Lilac
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Lilac
There's a lot of things that don't add up...and honestly there's just one big problem.

Vote: RB. Why the hell did you not vote for me again? I'm only uncomfortable in voting when I don't have a reason to vote for someone and I even said that when I wanted to vote for Kanye but didn't have my computer to do it.

Trust me, I'm having a hard time deciding who's scum and you're not helping. So you'll need something much more to convince at least me why you aren't scum.

You're welcome, too.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
votecount 2.2:

Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP

deadline is in 71:04
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