Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
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flavour does hint at the role. up until now, every claim made sense, and the flavour fitted the role.fartownik wrote:
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
especially since pieguy said that he would chose a character and give that character a fitting role.
Seriously? I really hope you don't mean that "Touhou PyP" in the game name has no significance in the roles we get.fartownik wrote:
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Unless you meant that the role doesn't have to fit the action in which case I ask you: do you think it's more likely that an SK performed his kill by pushing Rantai down the stairs (when SK kills are usually just denoted by just "killed"), or he just game to visit me, and de to my terrible bad luck, he tripped down the stairs, hit his head, and actually died from it.
I think the 'hit his head' part is important here.
Oh my god I suck at typing on my phone.
he just came to visit me, and due to my terrible bad luck*
he just came to visit me, and due to my terrible bad luck*
Yes, I meant the cause of death shouldn't be a tell of someone's role.
Tbh I think it's a pretty normal thing to make the kill indicative of the role of the person who killed them... That's the whole point of having a story, isn't it?
Yes, when it's an open setup with known roles, but if the host does that with a closed one, when all the roles are unknown it's pretty much spoiling the game.
Also the only thing that the stupid no lynch gave us is a possibility of scum being in that wagon, and it's high. You simply let mafia pick whoever they wanted to kill while keeping WIFOM and letting them hide as much information as they need. Also if we lynched D1 we'd have some useful information before the night which could interfere with the actual night actions for the better. Also obvious chance for hitting scum D1 was lost.
That's why I think there's at least 1 scum in that damn wagon.
That's why I think there's at least 1 scum in that damn wagon.
So then it's just a coincidence that someone died in a rather mundane way which makes it look like it has something to do with bad luck, which is what I had supposedly been wanting to happen so that I can fakeclaim Hina as PGO?
fart, if we had lynched, then we would be probably in a MyLo situation now.
Fine, you're most likely not lying. Your train of thought and the answers for my questions seem Town, which also leans Lilac Town a bit more too.
Leaves Tanzklaue and RB from the no lynch wagon. I had a townread on Tanz and a possible scumread for all the game on RB, so it's him. He's probably scum with Kanye (good coincidence there).
Unvote
Vote: RB
Leaves Tanzklaue and RB from the no lynch wagon. I had a townread on Tanz and a possible scumread for all the game on RB, so it's him. He's probably scum with Kanye (good coincidence there).
Unvote
Vote: RB
I voted NL since Tanz said pressuring Lilac won't do anything within that hour before lynch even occurs.
Vote: RB.
You should have realised that before you even voted for me. It seemed to me that you were voting to waste time instead of either voting one of the two people that was close to being lynched or no lynching much earlier.
You should have realised that before you even voted for me. It seemed to me that you were voting to waste time instead of either voting one of the two people that was close to being lynched or no lynching much earlier.
Topic Starter
votecount 2.1:
Raging Bull (2) - fartownik, Lilac
deadline is in 82:51
Raging Bull (2) - fartownik, Lilac
deadline is in 82:51
let's look even deeper into this issue...
up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.
with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.
so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.
overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.
Vote: RB
up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.
with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.
so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.
overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.
Vote: RB
Unvote.
Not risking a quick hammer. I wanted to build pressure only.
Not risking a quick hammer. I wanted to build pressure only.
Tanzklaue wrote:
let's look even deeper into this issue...
up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.
with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.
so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.
overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.
Vote: RB
fuck my internet this is what I wanted to say.
I voted for Lilac because of how he looked like he knew there was 3 people in a scum team. His questioning on Kitsune looked faked and staged too me as a way for distancing, especially with such a time zone difference and the time between the replies. And him wanting to vote but feel uncomfortable for voting. There shouldn't be a reason why.
You are reading way too much into it if I cared you got lynch or if I wanted NL. I stated why I thought Lilac was scum so I in turn voted for him. Then you stated how there is no point in pressuring Lilac at that point anymore and by the time I even get to reply, people just went on the no lynch wagon. Either I voted for you or Kanye or go for NL at that point of time no longer made a difference.
I voted for Lilac because of how he looked like he knew there was 3 people in a scum team. His questioning on Kitsune looked faked and staged too me as a way for distancing, especially with such a time zone difference and the time between the replies. And him wanting to vote but feel uncomfortable for voting. There shouldn't be a reason why.
You are reading way too much into it if I cared you got lynch or if I wanted NL. I stated why I thought Lilac was scum so I in turn voted for him. Then you stated how there is no point in pressuring Lilac at that point anymore and by the time I even get to reply, people just went on the no lynch wagon. Either I voted for you or Kanye or go for NL at that point of time no longer made a difference.
There's a lot of things that don't add up...and honestly there's just one big problem.
Vote: RB. Why the hell did you not vote for me again? I'm only uncomfortable in voting when I don't have a reason to vote for someone and I even said that when I wanted to vote for Kanye but didn't have my computer to do it.
Trust me, I'm having a hard time deciding who's scum and you're not helping. So you'll need something much more to convince at least me why you aren't scum.
You're welcome, too.
Vote: RB. Why the hell did you not vote for me again? I'm only uncomfortable in voting when I don't have a reason to vote for someone and I even said that when I wanted to vote for Kanye but didn't have my computer to do it.
Trust me, I'm having a hard time deciding who's scum and you're not helping. So you'll need something much more to convince at least me why you aren't scum.
You're welcome, too.
Topic Starter
votecount 2.2:
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
deadline is in 71:04
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
deadline is in 71:04
Okay so let me see.
I didn't vote for you because I wanted to give you a chance and see how the hell you got 3 scum. You did and gave me the formula and so I also looked around games and they did tend to follow it. So that was one huge chunk of suspicion you helped removed. Also you didn't even stated you wanted Kanye to get lynched, you only mentioned Tanz. You also mentioned you were strongly against no lynching and after Rantai went on no lynch too, you just decided to go on no lynch. You could have tried to convince even more instead of just hopping on it, but yet you easily gave up. If you really were going to try hard and scum hunt, you shouldn't give up at all.
Honestly, the way it grew, at least one scum is on my wagon. My suspicion is still on you, but obviously voting on you would just make it OMGUS at this point.
@fart, what have I done that gave you a scum read on me?
I didn't vote for you because I wanted to give you a chance and see how the hell you got 3 scum. You did and gave me the formula and so I also looked around games and they did tend to follow it. So that was one huge chunk of suspicion you helped removed. Also you didn't even stated you wanted Kanye to get lynched, you only mentioned Tanz. You also mentioned you were strongly against no lynching and after Rantai went on no lynch too, you just decided to go on no lynch. You could have tried to convince even more instead of just hopping on it, but yet you easily gave up. If you really were going to try hard and scum hunt, you shouldn't give up at all.
Honestly, the way it grew, at least one scum is on my wagon. My suspicion is still on you, but obviously voting on you would just make it OMGUS at this point.
@fart, what have I done that gave you a scum read on me?
I am actually severely handicapped right about now since I have capped internet until 11th of this month. Not to mentioned I'm stressed out about this game but ignore that.
1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.
2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?
4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.
Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.
2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?
4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.
Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
Lilac wrote:
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?
So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.Lilac wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.
I will get to the bottom of this.
Unvote
at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.fartownik wrote:
Lilac wrote:
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.Lilac wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.
I will get to the bottom of this.
Unvote
also, what lilac said wasn't that he/she (could someone please answer ;;) voted NL because it's a terrible idea, but because the high potential of hitting town is even worse, considering how one townie was already dead.
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.Tanzklaue wrote:
at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Vote: Kanye
I couldn't have voted kanye.fartownik wrote:
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.Tanzklaue wrote:
at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Vote: Kanye
the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
Oh shit, I didn't notice that.Tanzklaue wrote:
I couldn't have voted kanye.
the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
It doesn't change the fact that Lilac voted something he thought was a bad idea. No Lynch itself is a way to decrease the losses in Town population, so he contradicted himself there. The vote was just too convenient.
It's probably because I didn't know how the votes worked but I wouldn't vote for someone with that little time to think. I'm not sure why I wanted a No Lynch at the end but I really don't know anything anymore...
Let me just think for a bit. I'll get back to all of you tomorrow when I'll actually try and get my thoughts straight.
Let me just think for a bit. I'll get back to all of you tomorrow when I'll actually try and get my thoughts straight.
@mod: deadline please
Should be around 68 hours from now.
Topic Starter
deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT, 69:02 from now
Wait you mean mimi was really hina? what
Well, reading back to before N1 started, I agree that RB's sudden switch to Lilac after saying he was more suspicious of Kanye/Sakura is quite scummy in itself, but the same can be said for Lilac's No Lynch vote, which fart picked up on just now. That timeframe there is just a massive blur to me, after the 7 pages of back and forth. I'll reread it later to see if I can find anything else new.
Another thing that caught my attention is Royston bringing RB to L-1. He may be new, but he should have known that bringing anyone to L-1 so early in the day isn't a good idea because it allows for the quickhammer. His reasoning was to "bring the heat up", which is a weak reasoning when RB's already the far majority in votes. I feel he's just trying to get onto a wagon and stay there undetected, so I'll just ask him the question.
Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
Well, reading back to before N1 started, I agree that RB's sudden switch to Lilac after saying he was more suspicious of Kanye/Sakura is quite scummy in itself, but the same can be said for Lilac's No Lynch vote, which fart picked up on just now. That timeframe there is just a massive blur to me, after the 7 pages of back and forth. I'll reread it later to see if I can find anything else new.
Another thing that caught my attention is Royston bringing RB to L-1. He may be new, but he should have known that bringing anyone to L-1 so early in the day isn't a good idea because it allows for the quickhammer. His reasoning was to "bring the heat up", which is a weak reasoning when RB's already the far majority in votes. I feel he's just trying to get onto a wagon and stay there undetected, so I'll just ask him the question.
Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
Well sorry, Ojou-sama.
My internet sucks too.Lilac wrote:
I am actually severely handicapped right about now since I have capped internet until 11th of this month. Not to mentioned I'm stressed out about this game but ignore that.
1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.
2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?
4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.
Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
No, you did no such thing of mentioning Kanye lynch is better than Tanz. You mentioned how you rather lynch than no lynch.
You had approx 6 hours from the time you mentioned no lynch is bad and when you voted NL and within that time, BRBP, Tanz, Rantai, and I were online. That is plenty of opportunity.
No, there was only one town dead in D1 and that was NH. What are you even saying?
Why are you contradicting yourself a lot now?
Jinxy wrote:
Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
Not concerned about a quickhammer. I know town wouldn't hammer, so if someone hammered & RB flipped town then we have a known scum. That's all.
What's up with that? Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too", and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything. You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.Royston wrote:
Not concerned about a quickhammer. I know town wouldn't hammer, so if someone hammered & RB flipped town then we have a known scum. That's all.
Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Sure, but if someone decided to hammer so early in the day then it's a safe bet they're not town; unless the player lynched is scum, of course.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too"
I'm not clear on what you mean by this.Kitsunemimi wrote:
and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything.
Hah, well some of us are.Kitsunemimi wrote:
You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.
Yes, if we get scum. I'd much prefer a mislynch over no lynch, at least we gain info that way. We're already in a bad spot, we can't afford to play it safe.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. By tomorrow morning I expect to have some votes on me! Don't let me down scum!
Oh, and unvote for now.
I find it funny how you pop out of nowhere and just jumped on my bandwagon without any justified reasoning for the vote.
slip oneRoyston wrote:
Hah, well some of us are.Kitsunemimi wrote:
You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.
slip 2. there was no reason to assume that there would be a no lynch today.Royston wrote:
Yes, if we get scum. I'd much prefer a mislynch over no lynch, at least we gain info that way. We're already in a bad spot, we can't afford to play it safe.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
Uuughhh... the stuff that you just said was... just weird. Like, I'm not even going to say your response was that scummy in particular, but goddamn, I feel as if I'm obliged to reply.
The only thing I can see as what you were trying to say is "we don't really have the option to play it safe anymore", which I wouldn't really consider to be the case, as that would be LyLo.
Some of the players in this game have innately shakey reasoning, even if they might turn out to be town, such as BRBP and Tanz (though we don't know if Tanz is scum or not). It's because of this that I really simply don't trust them to not hammer, even if they may be town. In other words, the person to throw down the hammer is ambiguous.Royston wrote:
Sure, but if someone decided to hammer so early in the day then it's a safe bet they're not town; unless the player lynched is scum, of course.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Anyone could've went in saying "oh hurr yeah I think he's scum too"
Stating a hypothetical situation where RB flipped town from a quickhammer where there wasn't enough evidence. Which would be incredibly stupid, especially given my above point which states that the person who hammers isn't guaranteed to be scum.Royston wrote:
I'm not clear on what you mean by this.Kitsunemimi wrote:
and it turns out that everyone's completely wrong because you put on too many votes on RB before he could even say anything.
I don't know about you, but I don't think I would be that okay with a mislynch at this stage. I would be okay if we lynched scum, and only scum. You even said it yourself, we're in a pretty bad situation right now, but then suddenly your reasoning falls apart and you say we can't afford to play it safe? I'm not even sure if that makes sense? Usually when you're in situations where you can't really mess up, that's when you try to play safely, so you make it out okay...?Royston wrote:
Yes, if we get scum. I'd much prefer a mislynch over no lynch, at least we gain info that way. We're already in a bad spot, we can't afford to play it safe.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Also, are you saying you're okay with risking a mislynch while we're already 3 down?
The only thing I can see as what you were trying to say is "we don't really have the option to play it safe anymore", which I wouldn't really consider to be the case, as that would be LyLo.
He's implying the mafia knows.Tanzklaue wrote:
slip one.Royston wrote:
(You say that like we're aware of who's town and who's not.) (kitsune)
Hah, well some of us are.
He's not implying that he is mafia. (would be too obvious for me to consider as scumslip)
He could be implying that he is Mason.
the point of a slip is that it's unintentional.Kitsunemimi wrote:
He's implying the mafia knows.Tanzklaue wrote:
slip one.
He's not implying that he is mafia. (would be too obvious for me to consider as scumslip)
He could be implying that he is Mason.
I also don't think that it's a strong enough slip to vote, but it still is quite interesting.
@royston: who do you think is scum and why?
@Tanz: when I read that it looked like a funny way to say that only the Mafia knows who's Town, not really a slip.
I'm just unsure whether his vote on RB was because he's newbie Town or newbie scum. Also @Royston: why unvoting?
I'm just unsure whether his vote on RB was because he's newbie Town or newbie scum. Also @Royston: why unvoting?
I might not have mentioned it explicitly but the implication was more than obvious.Raging Bull wrote:
My internet sucks too.
No, you did no such thing of mentioning Kanye lynch is better than Tanz. You mentioned how you rather lynch than no lynch.
You had approx 6 hours from the time you mentioned no lynch is bad and when you voted NL and within that time, BRBP, Tanz, Rantai, and I were online. That is plenty of opportunity.
No, there was only one town dead in D1 and that was NH. What are you even saying?
Why are you contradicting yourself a lot now?
Out of the 6 hours, 4 of that was lectures and about an hour was in transit to get home. I can't come up with scum hunting on the fly like that without it being utterly terrible.
I'm not talking about D1. I'm talking about right now.
The hell was anything contradicting? Also, you need to make your next post completely wisely because I've breadcrumbed a lot of things that you should have picked up and realised by now. There was one part especially for you RB but to be honest, I think you're going to waste it.
Um yeah, I'm implying the mafia knows. Unless there's something weird like a traitor going on, but I doubt it.Tanzklaue wrote:
the point of a slip is that it's unintentional.Kitsunemimi wrote:
He's implying the mafia knows.
He's not implying that he is mafia. (would be too obvious for me to consider as scumslip)
He could be implying that he is Mason.
I also don't think that it's a strong enough slip to vote, but it still is quite interesting.
@royston: who do you think is scum and why?
As for who I think is scum and why, the back and forth hasn't really done much to change my mind; I still think you're probably scum, for the reasons stated in my previous posts.
Kanye is also a possible scumspect of mine because of his inactivity. Of course, if he happens to be town then that makes him an attractive voting target for scum who can simply say "well, he was lurking, how was I to know?"
Some of the players in this game have innately shakey reasoning, even if they might turn out to be town, such as BRBP and Tanz (though we don't know if Tanz is scum or not). It's because of this that I really simply don't trust them to not hammer, even if they may be town.Sure, fair enough.
Correct, I didn't have any reasoning. Frankly I still have a null read on you, the vote wasRaging Bull wrote:
I find it funny how you pop out of nowhere and just jumped on my bandwagon without any justified reasoning for the vote.
What? I don't understand. My interpretation of what you said is "town would have no reason to assume a no lynch, but you did, hence you're mafia" ? But why would mafia assume a no lynch? If that's not what you meant, I apologize.Tanzklaue wrote:
slip 2. there was no reason to assume that there would be a no lynch today.
The implication was vague. You just wanted a lynch, you probably didn't even care who it was. The implication was just that. You just wanted a lynch.Lilac wrote:
I might not have mentioned it explicitly but the implication was more than obvious.
Out of the 6 hours, 4 of that was lectures and about an hour was in transit to get home. I can't come up with scum hunting on the fly like that without it being utterly terrible.
I'm not talking about D1. I'm talking about right now.
The hell was anything contradicting? Also, you need to make your next post completely wisely because I've breadcrumbed a lot of things that you should have picked up and realised by now. There was one part especially for you RB but to be honest, I think you're going to waste it.
No, your sentence was talking about D1. On D2, you did not scumhunt anyone at all. You just went for me. D1 was the day when you scumhunt Tanz, Mimi, BRBP. On D2, 3 town died. See the contradiction?
I cannot read breadcrumb (more because of my inability to do so),but I assume it's about me since something did happen to me last night.
Can we just lynch Kanye already
Posted: 2 days agoChrist. Prod: Kanye West for the third fucking time
Is there a "3 Prods and you're out" rule
There should be a rule like that
Honestly though, I'm not entirely confident of lynching Kanye. I don't remember playing a game where he was scum, so I don't have firsthand experience of how much he lurks when scum, and I really don't like relying on meta due to its assumptions and how easy it is to trick it, as Rantai pointed out D1.
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On the other hand, Royston's reasons are starting to look scummy to me. He basically admitted that he put RB on L-1 for "pressure" (which as I've said, is a weak reason) while not actually thinking he's scum.
I'm personally up for lynching scummy people than inactives who are assumed to be scummy due to only meta, so Vote: RoystonRoyston wrote:
Frankly I still have a null read on you, the vote wasa reaction testsimply for pressure.
@mod: votecount + Prod Kanye
Also it's not just the inactivity from Kanye. He basically does anything but IIoA, didn't even mention/gave any explanations why he's inactive, didn't question why he's being suspected so much. I know he's inactive, but still - he has some posts and none of them mention any of the arguments I listed here.
Just come on... isn't this pooting obvious?
Just come on... isn't this pooting obvious?
there is. if you get prodded 3 times, you technically get auto replaced.Jinxy wrote:
Posted: 2 days agoChrist. Prod: Kanye West for the third fucking time
Is there a "3 Prods and you're out" rule
There should be a rule like that
not sure though if it will be enforced here.
I also find royston decently fishy. his reasoning of how he would prefer misslynching over NL when there is no indicator for NL at all is out of place, and his openly admitted acceptance of risking to lynch someone he doesn't even have a nullread is downright scummy. you should never take a relative sure misslynch over potential scumlynches.
@RB: what happened to you this night?
I'd rather lynch someone that's heavily experienced in the game and acts scummy as fuck than someone who plays the game first time and makes a potential slip. He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip. Not seeing it is scummy.
@Jinxy since you're voting me, who do you think the remaining scum are?
What's the difference between a 'relative sure misslynch' and a 'potential scumlynch'? Either someone's scum, or they're not. What makes you say RB's a relative sure misslynch, anyway?Tanzklaue wrote:
I also find royston decently fishy. his reasoning of how he would prefer misslynching over NL when there is no indicator for NL at all is out of place, and his openly admitted acceptance of risking to lynch someone he doesn't even have a nullread is downright scummy. you should never take a relative sure misslynch over potential scumlynches.
Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.fratownik wrote:
He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip.
Remaining scum, you say? Interesting choice of words there.Royston wrote:
@Jinxy since you're voting me, who do you think the remaining scum are?
To humor you, I still have my doubts on fart because of his tunneling and attacks on me D1 (which I still have the opinion that his reasons were ridiculous). Just noticed that he seems to be helping you provide excuses for your L-1 vote, too.
Another thing I don't like is the "newbie" argument, which also works on unfounded assumptions. iirc, NH or someone pulled that argument in some other forum and steamrolled that game because the other players fell for it.fartownik wrote:
He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip. Not seeing it is scummy.
Next in my list would be either Lilac or RB, which I covered 2 posts ago. Their actions pre-N1 are still reading weirdly to me, but it's just a faint suspicion, compared to you and fart.
Explain, what kind of "something"?Royston wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
@tanz, I rather not say until Lilac says. (Or if he is nice enough to quote the post with breadcrumb and I will look from there.)
That last sentence shows you've at least somewhat understand now and I hope we don't have to continue this discussion further, RB.
Unvote. Waking up now.
Unvote. Waking up now.
Last sentence as in the post one before your message to Tanz.
Vote: Kanye.
I just can't... Even if he does answer his prod, anything he says will be so weak for me because he's not even doing anything. His last post was 3 days ago and his only serious vote was Tanz.
If we think scum is inactive, usually now is a good time to lynch because too late and it's all over.
I just can't... Even if he does answer his prod, anything he says will be so weak for me because he's not even doing anything. His last post was 3 days ago and his only serious vote was Tanz.
If we think scum is inactive, usually now is a good time to lynch because too late and it's all over.
Vote: Kanye
Tanz...
Are you going to do anything like...productive? For example, give a reason.
Or do I have to recall my 5 years of German to slap your face with?
Are you going to do anything like...productive? For example, give a reason.
Or do I have to recall my 5 years of German to slap your face with?
I'm sorry, it's hot as shit over here and I didn't feel like giving much of a reasoning.
my reasoning basically didn't change too much from day 1. still high inactivity, paired with almost no content when he actually posts.
my reasoning basically didn't change too much from day 1. still high inactivity, paired with almost no content when he actually posts.
I had to read over this topic and stumble across this, said before he got his role. It's not enough to make me take my vote off him but damn, it's making me reconsider.Kanye West wrote:
BMin can have my spot if he wants. I'm lazy to play mafia while hosting anyway
Alright, I don't feel as bad now.pieguy wrote:
Please, don't join if you won't be able to be active > <
Topic Starter
votecount 2.3:
Kanye West (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Tanzklaue (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
deadline is in 28:05
Kanye West (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Tanzklaue (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
deadline is in 28:05
I voted Royston and we asked Kanye to be prodded
Topic Starter
oh Kanye has requested replacement sorry I forgot to put that in the other post
also, oops, my miss > <
votecount 2.3:
Kanye West (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Tanzklaue (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
Royston (1) - Jinxy
deadline is in 27:54
also, oops, my miss > <
votecount 2.3:
Kanye West (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Tanzklaue (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
Royston (1) - Jinxy
deadline is in 27:54
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane replaces Kanye West starting immediately
I can give an extension if it's desirable :3
I can give an extension if it's desirable :3
Alright, here we go again. Going though everything again to see if I can pick up anything new. ._. (gaahhh so many posts)
I read through Tanz' longass argument with Sakura in ISO, and, while I originally got scum vibes from his responses, now that I'm reading it, it sort of makes him look town. The reason is, his wording seems to be very town-oriented. He seems to express genuine uncertainty as to whether some people are town or not, but also fully acknowledges that he thought Sakura was town (until the argument started to get stupid). To be honest, I don't think we can make any conclusions from Tanz's posts once the argument got heated; I'm thinking he was getting frustrated that Sakura was tunnelling him for so long, so he's town for now.
Something I noticed about fart's targeting is that he seems to always suddenly find someone to focus on, and then after a short exchange, he'd let them off and be like "well okay, your reasoning seems town so it's fiiiiine". Which is normal, but he pretty much did that for everyone he suspected. However, he did mention something that explains his actions pretty well:
Oh, also, I wanted to ask you what this was about:
As for Kanye, his posts tell me that he's experienced enough to be able to play this game proficiently, yet he's not doing it for some sort of other reason. I don't know if we can just call him scum for just not posting, though I also don't know if he's actually just like this. (i was about to write stuff here about how it might be ok actually and not matter to him if he gets lynched but....)
Welcome DakeDekaane~ I hope we can all have fun while there are three votes piled on top of you.
One last thing, I noticed that after the case on BRBP was settled, he almost completely stopped posting. As of this post, he hasn't said anything for nearly 2 days...
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Oh my god, dammit this post is so long already. Just.... Basically, those are the people who I feel like mentioning most at the moment. I'll look at everyone else probably tomorrow, since this post is so freaking long already and it's getting late too. I doubt I'll have that much to say though. I also get the feeling that I've made numerous errors in this post but you'll just have to bear with me ._.
I read through Tanz' longass argument with Sakura in ISO, and, while I originally got scum vibes from his responses, now that I'm reading it, it sort of makes him look town. The reason is, his wording seems to be very town-oriented. He seems to express genuine uncertainty as to whether some people are town or not, but also fully acknowledges that he thought Sakura was town (until the argument started to get stupid). To be honest, I don't think we can make any conclusions from Tanz's posts once the argument got heated; I'm thinking he was getting frustrated that Sakura was tunnelling him for so long, so he's town for now.
Something I noticed about fart's targeting is that he seems to always suddenly find someone to focus on, and then after a short exchange, he'd let them off and be like "well okay, your reasoning seems town so it's fiiiiine". Which is normal, but he pretty much did that for everyone he suspected. However, he did mention something that explains his actions pretty well:
Still could be possibly scummy, trying to make debates/look like he's scumhunting without looking like he just want to get someone lynched? We'll see.fartownik wrote:
I don't like 1on1 discussions like this because they usually turn out being a Town vs Town fights
Oh, also, I wanted to ask you what this was about:
Royston's recent posts have been making me feel more and more like he's scum. Like... rrgh I don't really know how to explain myself actually. By now, with the exception of Kanye, Royston is far behind in postcount from everyone else. His posts seem to be lacking in content as well. I don't know if he's just playing this game half-assedly, or perhaps he's mafia, and his inexperience is making it hard for him to come up with anything. Though, imo if it's your first game, you'd probably try to make a decent effort right? Because it helps you learn better. Jinxy also brings up a good point on himfartownik wrote:
And if there's a Doctor - you possibly ruined the game for Town.
fart proposes that it could be a newbie error... But even if that's so, he could still be mafia and it would still count as a noob error: his vote made himself suspicious without him realizing it. Also,Jinxy wrote:
He basically admitted that he put RB on L-1 for "pressure" (which as I've said, is a weak reason) while not actually thinking he's scum.
I don't want to pick on Royston just because he's new, but he literally used this as a free escape from his error.Royston wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.fartownik wrote:
He might not admit that, but I think voting RB in such advanced way was just a newbie slip.
As for Kanye, his posts tell me that he's experienced enough to be able to play this game proficiently, yet he's not doing it for some sort of other reason. I don't know if we can just call him scum for just not posting, though I also don't know if he's actually just like this. (i was about to write stuff here about how it might be ok actually and not matter to him if he gets lynched but....)
Welcome DakeDekaane~ I hope we can all have fun while there are three votes piled on top of you.
One last thing, I noticed that after the case on BRBP was settled, he almost completely stopped posting. As of this post, he hasn't said anything for nearly 2 days...
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Oh my god, dammit this post is so long already. Just.... Basically, those are the people who I feel like mentioning most at the moment. I'll look at everyone else probably tomorrow, since this post is so freaking long already and it's getting late too. I doubt I'll have that much to say though. I also get the feeling that I've made numerous errors in this post but you'll just have to bear with me ._.
Hi guys o/
I'll be reading the whole thread.
@Mod: an extension could be very nice.
I'm going to sleep soon >.<
I'll be reading the whole thread.
@Mod: an extension could be very nice.
I'm going to sleep soon >.<
BRBP wrote:
I don't think it shows anything, actually...Royston wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a poor decision on my part. But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
Yeah ok it doesn't show anything. It was 1AM when I posted that sorryJinxy wrote:
Explain, what kind of "something"?
I've done plenty of reaction tests to establish my reads. If I expected such reaction from the player then I mark him as Town (for now), because it's more likely he's Town than scum by this reaction, and if we can't really base on the lynches/kills this is the way to play the game.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Something I noticed about fart's targeting is that he seems to always suddenly find someone to focus on, and then after a short exchange, he'd let them off and be like "well okay, your reasoning seems town so it's fiiiiine". Which is normal, but he pretty much did that for everyone he suspected. However, he did mention something that explains his actions pretty well:Still could be possibly scummy, trying to make debates/look like he's scumhunting without looking like he just want to get someone lynched? We'll see.fartownik wrote:
I don't like 1on1 discussions like this because they usually turn out being a Town vs Town fights
The Doctor didn't protect Sakura - Sakura died. The most powerful role in the game died because the Doctor misread her/done something totally random. Congrats.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Oh, also, I wanted to ask you what this was about:fartownik wrote:
And if there's a Doctor - you possibly ruined the game for Town.
Doctor in the game would be rather game breaking since Sakura will just keep reviving everyone till D4.
That's why my sentence said "IF there's a Doctor". Either there's no one or a not very smart one (or scum one, lol).
What if there was a strongman or a SK who decided to target the same person? Do mafia strongman kills count as separate kills from the regular mafia night kill?
If there really is a doc, I don't think they'd be dumb enough to not protect Sakura lol.
If there really is a doc, I don't think they'd be dumb enough to not protect Sakura lol.
Don't wanna be a douche or anything, but Dake - please read the thread asap. We're only waiting for you here.
Ok, I'm done.
Let's take a look at the larger wagons atm.
In D1:
In D2:
It seems that Lilac and Tanz likes wagons, but I'm reading Lilac as town due heavy scumhunting, yes, jumping between people in D1, but with fundaments, contrary to Tanz that always tried to deflect the attention to someone else and jumping around a lot between the large bandwagons, even voted BRBP who was 99% confirmed town in that moment (he's still almost confirmed, that 1%), and voting people due inactivity. So:
Vote: Tanzklaue
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
I'm going more with Tanz now, we can also have Roasted Beef if you want, as he's the next in my list. And Royston in a small amount due sheeping Lilac on unvoting RB, but due the newbie factor I can't get if it's a confused townie or shy scum.
Also you said something about a SK, I don't deny the possibility, as there's the case that Kitsunemimi brings bad luck visiting other people instead getting visited. But I know you won't even like the idea of try to check it as scum would screw the with the possible plans, but these are only ideas of mine, so don't mind too much in this for now (unless we have another death due bad luck).
Let's take a look at the larger wagons atm.
In D1:
This was before pieguy confirmed BRBP's action. Due to confusion was quite easy to scum lynch him at this rate, smart scum would had finished the day and let the town quite lost, but the fact is that there were at least 2 scum voting there, as BRBP didn't get hammered. +1 Scumpoints to everyone here.Votecount wrote:
BRBP (5) - Lilac, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, Kitsunemimi (L-2)
Though Kitsunemimi bringed up the NL idea and still doubting if it would be a good idea, scum took advantage from a confirmed town (Sakura) starting the wagon and some other townies, (Rantai) to join here. +1 Scumpoints for Lilac and Kitsunemimi and +2 for Tanz and RB, why? Because they were practically sheeping.Votecount wrote:
No lynch (6) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi, Rantai, Lilac, Tanzklaue, Raging Bull
In D2:
Nice catch for the NL wagon by farto. +1 Townpoints. Royston reasons was quite silly as scum would let a townie hammer and then incriminating him, in case RB is town, but he has a bit of reason when he states:Votecount wrote:
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Royston wrote:
But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
fart and Tanz fishing in inactive pool, really? It's true Kanye's behaviour was like this in DotA, but also was similar in High School (though he posted a bit more) and was town there, so judging by meta is not always the way to go.Votecount wrote:
Kanye West (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Tanzklaue (L - 2)
It seems that Lilac and Tanz likes wagons, but I'm reading Lilac as town due heavy scumhunting, yes, jumping between people in D1, but with fundaments, contrary to Tanz that always tried to deflect the attention to someone else and jumping around a lot between the large bandwagons, even voted BRBP who was 99% confirmed town in that moment (he's still almost confirmed, that 1%), and voting people due inactivity. So:
Vote: Tanzklaue
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
I'm going more with Tanz now, we can also have Roasted Beef if you want, as he's the next in my list. And Royston in a small amount due sheeping Lilac on unvoting RB, but due the newbie factor I can't get if it's a confused townie or shy scum.
Also you said something about a SK, I don't deny the possibility, as there's the case that Kitsunemimi brings bad luck visiting other people instead getting visited. But I know you won't even like the idea of try to check it as scum would screw the with the possible plans, but these are only ideas of mine, so don't mind too much in this for now (unless we have another death due bad luck).
funny how the three guys who suspect me the most are the same three guys from day 1. still don't have really any good reasoning, but I didn't expect much tbh.
[qoute="BRBP"]
That's ridiculous.[/quote]
I agree, scumhunting seems pretty ridiculous.
your weeks seem to consist only of weekends then. you had like 5 posts after the issue settled sown. and 4 of them were fluff or otherwise unhelpful.BRBP wrote:
I'm less active on weekends. Why didn't you prod me then?Kitsunemimi wrote:
One last thing, I noticed that after the case on BRBP was settled, he almost completely stopped posting. As of this post, he hasn't said anything for nearly 2 days...
[qoute="BRBP"]
Tanzklaue wrote:
slip oneRoyston wrote:
Hah, well some of us are.
You two... Stop.Jinxy wrote:
Remaining scum, you say? Interesting choice of words there.Royston wrote:
@Jinxy since you're voting me, who do you think the remaining scum are?
That's ridiculous.[/quote]
I agree, scumhunting seems pretty ridiculous.
you get quite aggressive there. where are your reasons for that?BRBP wrote:
No, it's not intresting in any way. You bothering to point something like that out and calling it a slip on the other hand is quite interesting.Tanzklaue wrote:
the point of a slip is that it's unintentional.
I also don't think that it's a strong enough slip to vote, but it still is quite interesting.
Or maybe not, it's your job to lynch townies :/
you as a finn might not understand, but outside of the cold north, you actually have things like 35 °C days in summer with 25 °C nights, humid as fuck aswell. I couldn't be bothered to write a long explanation if it's not incredibly necessary.BRBP wrote:
What the fuck?Tanzklaue wrote:
I'm sorry, it's hot as shit over here and I didn't feel like giving much of a reasoning.
you seem so confident in me being scum, and your accusations are quite ridiculous tbh. you shouldn't forget that you aren't a confirmed townie, and that you actually need a foundation yourself in order to proof your townieness. passive aggressive accusations won't help you one bit.BRBP wrote:
I guess you're taking your votes off Dake now? After all your primary reason to vote Kanye was because of his inactivity and lack of content in posts (Tanz), maybe Dake can fix that. Kanye wasn't active on his own game either, makes it easier to believe he really was busy. Let's see what you can come up with~
ROUND 2!
[qoute="DakeDekaane"]
it actually says nothing about the scummyness of a person if he votes NL in order to not get lynched themselves. "I will let you guys lynch me so you can read my wagon after my death!" said noone ever. if you're town, you won't let yourself get killed except if it isn't avoidable or at the cost of people you think are town aswell. and as scum... well scum would never want to die. it's actually another nullread reasoning.
also, if I were a scum gunsmith, why would I claim something like gunsmith? wouldn't it be smarter to claim something that is harder to control? I also got roleblocked this night, so someone must've thought that I am dangerous to them. hint: it was most likely not a townie.
kitsune wouldn't have claimed PGO if he were a SK. because the following victims won't be as easily explained with "oh someone seemed to aim at me again".
overall, dake seems to try to analyze, but I am not really convinced with his reasonings. my vote will stay on him for now.
no scum would be so dumb and reveal 2 of their members. the fact that he didn't got quickhammered says next to nothing about the wagonmembers.DakeDekaane wrote:
In D1:This was before pieguy confirmed BRBP's action. Due to confusion was quite easy to scum lynch him at this rate, smart scum would had finished the day and let the town quite lost, but the fact is that there were at least 2 scum voting there, as BRBP didn't get hammered. +1 Scumpoints to everyone here.Votecount wrote:
BRBP (5) - Lilac, Jinxy, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, Kitsunemimi (L-2)
[qoute="DakeDekaane"]
Though Kitsunemimi bringed up the NL idea and still doubting if it would be a good idea, scum took advantage from a confirmed town (Sakura) starting the wagon and some other townies, (Rantai) to join here. +1 Scumpoints for Lilac and Kitsunemimi and +2 for Tanz and RB, why? Because they were practically sheeping.[/quote]Votecount wrote:
No lynch (6) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi, Rantai, Lilac, Tanzklaue, Raging Bull
it actually says nothing about the scummyness of a person if he votes NL in order to not get lynched themselves. "I will let you guys lynch me so you can read my wagon after my death!" said noone ever. if you're town, you won't let yourself get killed except if it isn't avoidable or at the cost of people you think are town aswell. and as scum... well scum would never want to die. it's actually another nullread reasoning.
again, scum wouldn't show themselves, at least not this early. a quickhammer would only really occur if a) scum gets voted and the player at L-1 votes himself or b) if you are at LYLO or MyLo and scum would instawin. yet another fallacious argument, they add up by now.DakeDekaane wrote:
In D2:Nice catch for the NL wagon by farto. +1 Townpoints. Royston reasons was quite silly as scum would let a townie hammer and then incriminating him, in case RB is town, but he has a bit of reason when he states:Votecount wrote:
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)Royston wrote:
But the fact that RB didn't get quickhammered shows something, at least.
scum gunsmith is about as likely as scum dayvig. and like ten times more useless.DakeDekaane wrote:
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
also, if I were a scum gunsmith, why would I claim something like gunsmith? wouldn't it be smarter to claim something that is harder to control? I also got roleblocked this night, so someone must've thought that I am dangerous to them. hint: it was most likely not a townie.
we already established that the newbie factor shouldn't count too heavily. we can't risk getting demolished by a guy who just plays pretend with us.DakeDekaane wrote:
And Royston in a small amount due sheeping Lilac on unvoting RB, but due the newbie factor I can't get if it's a confused townie or shy scum.
DakeDekaane wrote:
Also you said something about a SK, I don't deny the possibility, as there's the case that Kitsunemimi brings bad luck visiting other people instead getting visited. But I know you won't even like the idea of try to check it as scum would screw the with the possible plans, but these are only ideas of mine, so don't mind too much in this for now (unless we have another death due bad luck).
kitsune wouldn't have claimed PGO if he were a SK. because the following victims won't be as easily explained with "oh someone seemed to aim at me again".
overall, dake seems to try to analyze, but I am not really convinced with his reasonings. my vote will stay on him for now.
You won't win this time for sure, town will win.Tanzklaue wrote:
ROUND 2!
So you got roleblocked? cool.
You were pretty eager for the scum dayvig possibility even being small, but scum gunsmith is clearly more possible if you ask me and it's a safe claim because maybe some townies think you may be useful to find scum, but I'm not that naive. I prefer voting based on acting regardless of PR, though it's not that easy to fakeclaim in a flavored game, but maybe you got lucky.
And you'll keep your vote on me because I'm voting you or because you don't have other suspect? You should have.
And I'm not underestimating Royston, but I won't label him as sure scum yet, he's null but leaning scum for me, the only ones that I have labeled as scum are you and RB.
Sorry but there won't be quotefest, Tanz's are messed up and I won't fix it in a nice way, also scum nervousness is notorious.
Maybe I'll have to ask for your reads to make things clearer?
Unvote
Will come back tomorrow.
Will come back tomorrow.
Topic Starter
deadline extended by 24 hours
current deadline is 8/6 9:00 GMT, 29:00 from now
sorry, meant to announce this earlier. comp ran out of power and due to some things I was afk > <
current deadline is 8/6 9:00 GMT, 29:00 from now
sorry, meant to announce this earlier. comp ran out of power and due to some things I was afk > <
whatRoyston wrote:
Yeah ok it doesn't show anything. It was 1AM when I posted that sorry
ugh are you serious
Yeah I'm not unvoting Royston anytime soon. His reasons for putting Kanye on L-1 are repeatedly lacking as seen from the above.
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RE: BRBP's, Tanz's and Dake's posts above, I don't see anything clearly scummy or flat out wrong, though Dake's vote analysis for D1 does sound null after Tanz's reply. However Tanz's argument for why he is town is biting at me, because some parts feel flawed to me.
I disagree here. Firstly, the Scum Dayvig is unlikely because of how overpowered it can be; it practically gives another free kill for scum, hastening LyLo. On the other hand, as Dake has said, a Scum Gunsmith can still scan for Cops or Vigs. (Not PGO because you're dead anyway)Tanzklaue wrote:
scum gunsmith is about as likely as scum dayvig. and like ten times more useless.DakeDekaane wrote:
If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched? Adding that Gunsmith doesn't confirm you as town, as scum Gunsmith would still scan for Cop, Vig and PGO.
also, if I were a scum gunsmith, why would I claim something like gunsmith? wouldn't it be smarter to claim something that is harder to control? I also got roleblocked this night, so someone must've thought that I am dangerous to them. hint: it was most likely not a townie.
Secondly, you might claim town gunsmith as scum simply because you decided not to take the risk and fakeclaim something others might really be. I'm not sure what you mean by "control", though. Could you elaborate?Wiki wrote:
While a few moderators prefer to defy meta and use Mafia Vigilantes to allow multiple scumkills from a single faction, the vast majority of Vigilantes are Town.
Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure claiming you got roleblocked last night counts as a lack of control, too, so that point is moot.
let me summarize your last 10 posts or so.BRBP wrote:
You didn't say anything useful/helpful here, all you did was show us that you take mafia games too personally.Tanzklaue wrote:
ROUND 1
tanz doesn't post anything useful.
tanz is so scummy omg.
tanz votes for too many people. scum plz.
tanz votes longer than 10 seconds for one guy. so obv scum geez.
OMG WHY DON'T WE JUST LYNCH TANZ ALREADY?!?!
in short; if you say I don't say useful stuff, I really want to know how the stuff you said in the last 10 posts (which span over almost a full week) is of any use to town. because quite frankly it isn't.
@jinxy: actually, gunsmith is rather hard to control in this set up, especially as scum. I thought of the stack the deck game, where watcher was a safe claim, but that's not the case here. also the watcher we had is dead.
overall, I agree that a gunsmith claim wouldn't necessarily make me more town on its own.
what do you even mean with this? that town lost day 1? that I won day 1?DakeDekaane wrote:
You won't win this time for sure, town will win.Tanzklaue wrote:
ROUND 2!
like I already said, agreed up to this point.DakeDekaane wrote:
You were pretty eager for the scum dayvig possibility even being small, but scum gunsmith is clearly more possible if you ask me and it's a safe claim
if these townies believe that I could be useful, then they will believe me saying that I got roleblocked aswell and that I am essentially useless because I either get killed or roleblocked again. while voting for behaviour is fine, you actually didn't really pointed out my behaviour all that much. if anything, you basically said "while person x does the same thing, I will go for tanz, because.". you pointed the jumping around out, and said that lilac had foundations in their jumping around, which if you read the last few pages could be viewed differently. the whole NL thing, if you wonder what I mean.DakeDekaane wrote:
because maybe some townies think you may be useful to find scum, but I'm not that naive. I prefer voting based on acting regardless of PR, though it's not that easy to fakeclaim in a flavored game, but maybe you got lucky.
then that I and fart fish in the inactives. you said that you don't think this is a townthing to do. fishing in the inactives and lurkers always has been a big point in townplay, as scum can hide there easily.
oh, and I'm pretty sure you only brought this point up so you can give me more of your scumpoints, which came from basically meaningless arguments in the first place.
I kept my vote on you since your reasoning didn't change my opinion all that much. I still think that you are scum. I have other suspects, but I won't let you go when you are that scummy.DakeDekaane wrote:
And you'll keep your vote on me because I'm voting you or because you don't have other suspect? You should have.
one messed up quote (2 if you count my post to BRBP aswell) are hardly convincing for something like "scumnervousness". that's one of the many terms in the mafiajargon that basically mean nothing and are just there to make a point look more valid. things like OMGUS and to some extent Wifom fall under the same category.DakeDekaane wrote:
Sorry but there won't be quotefest, Tanz's are messed up and I won't fix it in a nice way, also scum nervousness is notorious.
sure.DakeDekaane wrote:
Maybe I'll have to ask for your reads to make things clearer?
you = scum
fart = town for being actively trying to get scum, not overcommiting and over all just playing lik a good townie should
kitsune = town, same as above
lilac = leaning town, a lot of scumhunting, and overall logical contribution. not completely town, for reasons like high aggressiveness, that could be scumaligned (what I mean is jumping around as much as they did, though I generally view it as townaligned actions)
RB = leaning town, his reasonings were alright, and also there seems to be something that connects RB and lilac right now, depending on what that something is, it could swing him to full town (or to full scum, but I think lilac would've already laid down their cards if that was the case)
jinxy = null leaning slightly town, he cleaned his record in my eyes, and he actually asks useful questions instead of basically unfounded accusations.
BRBP = null, he is super scummy, though his role protects him. just like i didn't forget about the possibility of fart being scum in stack the deck, I won't dismiss the possibility here either.
royston = leaning scum, his actions and the following excuses are not convincing to me. especially that he himself hides behind the newbie-argumentmakes me iffy about him.
on your side, maybe.BRBP wrote:
There's something wrong with this logic, don't you think?Tanzklaue wrote:
in short; if you say I don't say useful stuff, I really want to know how the stuff you said in the last 10 posts (which span over almost a full week) is of any use to town.
of course you would cut out the important part. if it weren't for you being a dayvig, I would label you as 100% scum. but you get there, I will correct my read on you and just say that you lean scum.BRBP wrote:
Lol'dTanzklaue wrote:
BRBP = null, he is super scummy
there is a difference between slipping (unintentional errors) and quickhammer someone at L-2 on day 1. the thing I pointed out probably happened, and it happened often among all kinds of players. the quickhammer at L-2 on day 1 is something only really dumb newbie scum would pull of. like I said, no quickhammer here says nothing about the alignment of anyone.BRBP wrote:
But scum can be dumb enough to say something like this and refer to themselves?Tanzklaue wrote:
no scum would be so dumb and reveal 2 of their members. the fact that he didn't got quickhammered says next to nothing about the wagonmembers.
(stuff I said about royston)
BRBP wrote:
Also it's funny how you have three scum suspects (BRBP, Dake, Roy). Two of us are voting you and the third just unvoted.
I laugh with you if it's okay.Tanzklaue wrote:
funny how the three guys who suspect me the most are the same three guys from day 1. still don't have really any good reasoning, but I didn't expect much tbh.
overall, BRBP, stop it. your behaviour doesn't help you, doesn't help town, and most likely helps scum more than anyone else.
if you have something to say with actual content, something people can work with, that isn't just silly accusations against me (or anyone for that matter), then come again. but the way this goes atm, it starts to get on the same level as the discussion between me and sakura.
also, you only seem to have me as a scumsuspect. care to share your views on the others?
if you have something to say with actual content, something people can work with, that isn't just silly accusations against me (or anyone for that matter), then come again. but the way this goes atm, it starts to get on the same level as the discussion between me and sakura.
also, you only seem to have me as a scumsuspect. care to share your views on the others?
NopeTanzklaue wrote:
you only seem to have me as a scumsuspect.
NopeTanzklaue wrote:
care to share your views on the others?
Sorry ive been real busy. Two people left at work so i need to do more work. Ill read what has been going on tomorrow
What? Why?BRBP wrote:
NopeTanzklaue wrote:
care to share your views on the others?
Also, sorry that I didn't make my second post on my reads, stuff kinda happened yesterday and I kind of lost the motivation to do it, plus it doesn't seem to be all that helpful so I'll abstain from making that post for now.
Why would I? Please explain.Kitsunemimi wrote:
What? Why?BRBP wrote:
Nope
Ok, no more laziness. The deadline is in 12 hours, we gotta do something.
@mod: votecount please
Vote: RB, reason: PoE
@mod: votecount please
Vote: RB, reason: PoE
I'm at this point up for either a dake lynch, BRBP lynch or royston lynch.
since BRBP won't happen, I will discard that option (only in the case of it not happening at all).
so i will keep my vote on dake and wait out how the rest decides.
since BRBP won't happen, I will discard that option (only in the case of it not happening at all).
so i will keep my vote on dake and wait out how the rest decides.
As stupid as he may be, why lynch BRBP
because at this point he might aswell be legitimate scum.
we have better options though, so it won't happen.
we have better options though, so it won't happen.