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That's EXACTLY what i've been trying to say those 7 pages, OMG someone that understands has appeared.BRBP wrote:
Right, Kanye...
I'd rather lynch scummy people instead of inactive people first.
omg Sakura + BRBP scumteam
The problem is that I'm not sure if Tanz is scummy enough for us to be so focused on him. I don't really feel like looking for it, but Kanye said something like "acting scummy =/= actually being scum". In the end, because of this uncertainty, the likelihood of either Tanz or Kanye flipping town is probably somewhat similar - that is, I'm almost equally unsure of whether Kanye is scum as I am unsure of Tanz. Of course, to me, Tanz is more scummy, but not everyone agrees...
I voted for Kanye based on how he played in DotA, granted there wasn't much.
@Kanye, then actually start posting more instead of popping in after every prod.
Truthfully, I only read up to like page 34.
@Sakura, did you honestly get anything out of it? Or are you still just tunnelling the hell out of Tanz? Honestly, only thing I agreed was the claim and how odd it was for Tanz to claim gunsmith and then got confused the hell out his own "role" , but other than that, during your back and forth argument, did you honestly get anything at all? What is your stance on Tanz then?
I think for the time being, my current suspects are Tanz/Sakura. To me, one is probably scum. Tunnelling the hell out of a useful player? Or Roleclaiming but doesn't seem like he knows his own role? Both.....maybe scum but a very low chance. I don't think anyone would argue for 7 pages and be scum buddies.
Kanye for his general activity here. The only time he tends to post is after a prod. He's saying he's actually busy during DotA but this time, you can see he obviously moderates his own game.
BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
@Kanye, then actually start posting more instead of popping in after every prod.
fartownik wrote:
I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.
Truthfully, I only read up to like page 34.
@Sakura, did you honestly get anything out of it? Or are you still just tunnelling the hell out of Tanz? Honestly, only thing I agreed was the claim and how odd it was for Tanz to claim gunsmith and then got confused the hell out his own "role" , but other than that, during your back and forth argument, did you honestly get anything at all? What is your stance on Tanz then?
I think for the time being, my current suspects are Tanz/Sakura. To me, one is probably scum. Tunnelling the hell out of a useful player? Or Roleclaiming but doesn't seem like he knows his own role? Both.....maybe scum but a very low chance. I don't think anyone would argue for 7 pages and be scum buddies.
Kanye for his general activity here. The only time he tends to post is after a prod. He's saying he's actually busy during DotA but this time, you can see he obviously moderates his own game.
BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
Exactly, you must look at intent, which is why I'm voting Tanz.
I'm also reminded that if we're all really unsure, then it's still possible to go for No Lynch, but that might not be such a good idea after all...?
The fact that there's a 2-shot reviver, means that anything could happen
inb4 town reviver to counter scum dayvig.
inb4 town reviver to counter scum dayvig.
Actually it would, we already lost 1 towny today, we could assume we lynched NH instead.Kitsunemimi wrote:
I'm also reminded that if we're all really unsure, then it's still possible to go for No Lynch, but that might not be such a good idea after all...?
Vote: No Lynch
Remember when BRBP made his post to reply to all of the suspicions held against him? Since pieguy had confirmed his dayvig status afterwards, that also most likely means that everything he said in that post was true. I had grilled him pretty hard with the post I made too, and considering how close he was to the fire, as well as his previous (thoughtless?) contradictions/errors, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't lie about anything in that post, in which he did explicitly state that he was 1-shot dayvig, town aligned. Combine that with the likelyhood of a mafia aligned dayvig, and he's almost certainly town.Raging Bull wrote:
BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
You can pretty much never be 100% sure, but that's kind of how mafia is... right?
As I said, we already had 1 casualty today, let's keep it that way I don't want to risk having 2 townies dead in the case both tanz and kanye are both town.
Alright I think I'll stick a vote in No Lynch for now, and hope this works out for the better >_<
Vote: No lynch
If this goes through, then Kanye, I really really hope you use the time to start to posting more, as it would help us settle this debate.
If you STILL continue with your inactivity, then I'm going to start to see that as pretty suspicious...
Vote: No lynch
If this goes through, then Kanye, I really really hope you use the time to start to posting more, as it would help us settle this debate.
If you STILL continue with your inactivity, then I'm going to start to see that as pretty suspicious...
Topic Starter
Votecount 1.8:
Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Lilac, Kanye West
Kanye West (3) - Raging Bull, fartownik, Tanzklaue
No lynch (2) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi
Jinxy (1) - BRBP
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
deadline is in 9:42
btw, in case I didn't mention it before, ties go to the player who had the most votes before the tie
Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Lilac, Kanye West
Kanye West (3) - Raging Bull, fartownik, Tanzklaue
No lynch (2) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi
Jinxy (1) - BRBP
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
deadline is in 9:42
btw, in case I didn't mention it before, ties go to the player who had the most votes before the tie
Unvote.
There is no way I'm taking the risk for now on voting for Tanz even if I think that the idea of a Gunsmith being around as that could be either Town or Mafia and that the mafia scenario is griping at me. I can't do a deduction of a vote while hearing a math lecture at the same time while typing this but I think I have a good enough idea now as to what to do at night tonight.
I'll explain why I have two possible scum teams in mind. A no lynch though, is a very terrible idea in my eyes. Even though we already have a town down, leaving a day without a lynch means a day that town leaves without an informed decision on who is mafia. A Kanye lynch will see whether one of the possible scum teams that I have in mind are true.
I will explain more when I can.
There is no way I'm taking the risk for now on voting for Tanz even if I think that the idea of a Gunsmith being around as that could be either Town or Mafia and that the mafia scenario is griping at me. I can't do a deduction of a vote while hearing a math lecture at the same time while typing this but I think I have a good enough idea now as to what to do at night tonight.
I'll explain why I have two possible scum teams in mind. A no lynch though, is a very terrible idea in my eyes. Even though we already have a town down, leaving a day without a lynch means a day that town leaves without an informed decision on who is mafia. A Kanye lynch will see whether one of the possible scum teams that I have in mind are true.
I will explain more when I can.
Unvote
Vote:Lilac
Somehow it looks as though you are just gonna go along with the lynch and not get involved. Recent behavior has been rather irritating me. You've been hopping around back and forth way too much for me.
I also cannot tell if the small little thing on Kitsunemimi was just distancing. Within one hour of your post, you voted for Kitsune and then unvoted. Used day chat to coordinate this little scene?
And then afterwards, you switched so fast to tanz to perhaps join up on his bandwagon that was starting to happen. You said you were going to post reasoning, yet it never happened. Seems as though you targetted Kitsunemimi first then Tanz so tanz would have a harder time to give a reply without saying exactly what Kitsunemimi said.
Also rantai is my new hero
Vote:Lilac
Somehow it looks as though you are just gonna go along with the lynch and not get involved. Recent behavior has been rather irritating me. You've been hopping around back and forth way too much for me.
Scumslip? How do you know there are 3 mafias?Lilac wrote:
I also forgot about the possibility of a Serial Killer to balance the mafia of 3. That is definitely a possibility.
I also cannot tell if the small little thing on Kitsunemimi was just distancing. Within one hour of your post, you voted for Kitsune and then unvoted. Used day chat to coordinate this little scene?
And then afterwards, you switched so fast to tanz to perhaps join up on his bandwagon that was starting to happen. You said you were going to post reasoning, yet it never happened. Seems as though you targetted Kitsunemimi first then Tanz so tanz would have a harder time to give a reply without saying exactly what Kitsunemimi said.
Also rantai is my new hero
Rantai wrote:
In less subtle words, come at me now. We'll see how good you are.
The formula for the most optimal mafia game is m divide by the square root of P, where m is the number of mafia and P is the number of players. I don't know if there are three mafia but I am confident that there is.
I did go for Tanz in the hope of getting reason on him but, like I said in my previous post, I just did not have the time to think straight while in class and I still can't right now when I'm out and about to get home. I'm not getting involved in any lynch because I can not focus right now on to who I want to lynch. I probably won't get home in time before the hammer occurs but I will explain everything tomorrow.
I did go for Tanz in the hope of getting reason on him but, like I said in my previous post, I just did not have the time to think straight while in class and I still can't right now when I'm out and about to get home. I'm not getting involved in any lynch because I can not focus right now on to who I want to lynch. I probably won't get home in time before the hammer occurs but I will explain everything tomorrow.
EBWOP: Tomorrow as in the next day in this game.
so...square root of 12 = mafia?
Yes. That's how I see it. Use that number to also resolve how much kills and lunches it takes to get to Lylo and that's how I see that formula can hold true.
lynches* My phone does that a lot.
What do you think about Kitsunemimi right now? What is your stance on his(her not sure) no lynch that he offered?
I think I already stated my stance on this.
Reason I didn't vote for Kanye is because I was not in the right mindset at the time to give a reason and I would never vote anyone without a well thought out reason behind it.Lilac wrote:
Even though we already have a town down, leaving a day without a lynch means a day that town leaves without an informed decision on who is mafia. A Kanye lynch will see whether one of the possible scum teams that I have in mind are true.
deadline is approaching.
RB, pressuring lilac now means that you go indirectly for a lynch against me. if you don't want that, then you shouldn't keep your vote on lilac.
I'm all for pressuring different people, but the deadline is too close to do much pressuring now.
RB, pressuring lilac now means that you go indirectly for a lynch against me. if you don't want that, then you shouldn't keep your vote on lilac.
I'm all for pressuring different people, but the deadline is too close to do much pressuring now.
If memory serves there's about 50 minutes left or maybe even less so just hang on until I get home. I'll figure something out even though I'm starving. I will get home in about less than 30 so that should be barely enough time to get something out. This is like a marathon guys, stay with me here.
Topic Starter
Votecount 1.(9):
Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Kanye West, BRBP
Kanye West (2) - fartownik, Tanzklaue
No lynch (2) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
Lilac (1) - Raging Bull
deadline is in 0:53
Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Kanye West, BRBP
Kanye West (2) - fartownik, Tanzklaue
No lynch (2) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
Lilac (1) - Raging Bull
deadline is in 0:53
for me it's like I'm in CPR.Lilac wrote:
If memory serves there's about 50 minutes left or maybe even less so just hang on until I get home. I'll figure something out even though I'm starving. I will get home in about less than 30 so that should be barely enough time to get something out. This is like a marathon guys, stay with me here.
RB, why would you chose now out of all moments to pressure lilac? if you're unsure about kanye being scum after all, say it. if you still think he is likely scum, or more likely than me, then vote him. or else I am most likely dead.
Holy crap, something in that pile of arguments that makes sense.Sakura wrote:
Actually it would, we already lost 1 towny today, we could assume we lynched NH instead.
Vote: No Lynch
Taking a lynch now (with high probability of mislynch) means we're likely going to have to take a no-lynch somewhere down the track anyway (going on the assumption of a 3:9 ratio) because of the messed up numbers. I'd say better to do it now than later.
Vote: No lynch
God I wish my placement ended earlier.
Vote: No Lynch
Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.
I will get to the bottom of this.
Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.
I will get to the bottom of this.
Vote: No Lynch
there won't be a kanye lynch, so there is no reason for me not to vote no lynch now.
there won't be a kanye lynch, so there is no reason for me not to vote no lynch now.
vote no lynch
Topic Starter
oh great sorry for late I was watching Railgun S o.o
Votecount 1.10:
No lynch (6) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi, Rantai, Lilac, Tanzklaue, Raging Bull
Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Kanye West, BRBP
Kanye West (1) - fartownik
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
*slowly opens door and enters room*
uuu...have you all figured out who did this.. > <
After much commotion and yelling, even after it was supposed to be figured out, the general consensus was that they were going to lynch someone named No Lynch.
hey, what kind of person would be named No Lynch?
No wait, they didn't want to lynch anyone.
but I want justice NOW > < and it's no fun if we don't get to kill anyone... oh well, I guess it can't be helped...
Remi spoke in a sad voice. it seems you made her sad, way to go you heartless people @_@
It is N1. The deadline is 8/1 9:00 GMT, 23:43 from now
Votecount 1.10:
No lynch (6) - Sakura, Kitsunemimi, Rantai, Lilac, Tanzklaue, Raging Bull
Tanzklaue (3) - Royston, Kanye West, BRBP
Kanye West (1) - fartownik
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
*slowly opens door and enters room*
uuu...have you all figured out who did this.. > <
After much commotion and yelling, even after it was supposed to be figured out, the general consensus was that they were going to lynch someone named No Lynch.
hey, what kind of person would be named No Lynch?
No wait, they didn't want to lynch anyone.
but I want justice NOW > < and it's no fun if we don't get to kill anyone... oh well, I guess it can't be helped...
Remi spoke in a sad voice. it seems you made her sad, way to go you heartless people @_@
It is N1. The deadline is 8/1 9:00 GMT, 23:43 from now
Topic Starter
Everyone woke up. However, they immediately noticed something was wrong. As they went from the second floor of the mansion where their rooms were down to the first, they immediately saw a petite figure with horns passed out at the bottom, bleeding. They immediately recognized it as Ibuki Suika, so they figured she just got drunk or something, but when they looked at her, it turned out she hit her head and died..
Rantai (Ibuki Suika) - Neighborizer - fell down a staircase N1
once everyone got downstairs, they immediately noticed someone else was missing. she was so cheerful, plus she was beautifully dressed as a miko.. how could anyone ever forget? They immediately ran back to her room only to find she was stabbed while she was sleeping..
Sakura (Kochiya Sanae) - 2-shot VT Reviver - killed N1
so 2 people died? uuu..this is getting weird, we must figure out what's going on quickly. let's go again ~
It is D2. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT (95:36 from now)
Rantai (Ibuki Suika) - Neighborizer - fell down a staircase N1
once everyone got downstairs, they immediately noticed someone else was missing. she was so cheerful, plus she was beautifully dressed as a miko.. how could anyone ever forget? They immediately ran back to her room only to find she was stabbed while she was sleeping..
Sakura (Kochiya Sanae) - 2-shot VT Reviver - killed N1
so 2 people died? uuu..this is getting weird, we must figure out what's going on quickly. let's go again ~
It is D2. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT (95:36 from now)
I got no result, so I guess I got roleblocked :/
I targeted lilac for the record.
also we have either a SK or a vig amongst us. since there already was a dayvig, and the killmessage says something special, I would say it's probably a SK.
I targeted lilac for the record.
also we have either a SK or a vig amongst us. since there already was a dayvig, and the killmessage says something special, I would say it's probably a SK.
nvm sakura has a stabbed message, so we can't actually conclude anything from that :/
I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
Well actually....
@Mod, does Neighborizer die if he recruits mafia?
@Mod, does Neighborizer die if he recruits mafia?
Topic Starter
nopeRaging Bull wrote:
Well actually....
@Mod, does Neighborizer die if he recruits mafia?
Masonizer is the one that dies in this case
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)Raging Bull wrote:
I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
I got a bit distraught there. Give me a bit while I have dinner.
@mod: would we know if rantai was suicidal?
if he was then that could explain why he was so uninterested in this game.
or he just got vigkilled/SK killed and was bored by this game for real.
if he was then that could explain why he was so uninterested in this game.
or he just got vigkilled/SK killed and was bored by this game for real.
Topic Starter
yesTanzklaue wrote:
@mod: would we know if rantai was suicidal?
I get the feeling Rantai's death description is trying to hint to the killer's identity, it's way too different when compared to Sakura's. It certainly sounds... unlucky...
So I'm wondering about this post from Lilac:
[quote="Lilac":1337]Here's why. This was a quote that Hina/Mimi said about Tanz.Is that some sort of nickname, or...?
So I'm wondering about this post from Lilac:
[quote="Lilac":1337]Here's why. This was a quote that Hina/Mimi said about Tanz.Is that some sort of nickname, or...?
Well from a pure game balance perspective, 20-30% of players should be scum so 3 scum makes the most sense. 2 mafia and 1 sk is the most probable outcome based on what happened at night because I don't think we would have 2 vigs.Raging Bull wrote:
I'm still curious about Lilac knowing there was 3 scum. Is what Lilac formula really true?
Mi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.
Second hint. My character is someone I have a cosplay of too. Not much of a hint but eh.
Second hint. My character is someone I have a cosplay of too. Not much of a hint but eh.
Mimi*
At the time I didn't know what his character was but I'm surprised he chose Nazrin.
At the time I didn't know what his character was but I'm surprised he chose Nazrin.
There could also be a Paranoid Gun Owner, right? Is that likely or not?
*table flip*
Gl.
Gl.
I suppose, but I do not know what touhou (lackof touhou knowledge in general) character carries a gun and is paranoid.Royston wrote:
There could also be a Paranoid Gun Owner, right? Is that likely or not?
I'm thinking the one who killed Rantai might be killed Hina Kagiyama, a misfortune god, and also why I asked clarification on Lilac's nickname on Mimi.
It would fit the cause of death (warned you about the stairs bro) quite well, I think. I was thinking it might be a SK, but now that you say it, she might be a PGO that causes misfortune to anyone that visits her.
It would fit the cause of death (warned you about the stairs bro) quite well, I think. I was thinking it might be a SK, but now that you say it, she might be a PGO that causes misfortune to anyone that visits her.
cool story
Vote: Kanye West
Vote: Kanye West
And if there's a Doctor - you possibly ruined the game for Town. Also there's scum in the NL wagon, possibly RB.
It was Tanz who chose Nazrin. Though I kinda like Naz~Lilac wrote:
At the time I didn't know what his character was but I'm surprised he chose Nazrin.
And,
......Mou. You totally gave me away...!! You should've known that calling me Hina here would cause ambiguity and/or confusion ;_;Lilac wrote:
Mimi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.
I guess it's fine for you to continue calling me that though, because I am indeed Hina Kagiyama. (yes, it's red, not green)
Pretty much ._.Jinxy wrote:
she might be a PGO that causes misfortune to anyone that visits her.
Rantai neighbourized me last night.... and died, so now I'm essentially stuck with a forever alone neighbour chat ;~;
I honestly hadn't expected anyone to visit me last night though... I couldn't really think of a way to only draw mafia attention in without getting anyone else to target me (especially since Sakura was pretty much already their prime target), so I just acted normally, but I guess it was inevitable...
I was hoping I could get through a couple days without being visited, then, when the mafia had been whittled down a bit, grab their attention somehow to help secure the win for town relatively easily. It would been a lot better if we had more town alive, but we're like in the opposite scenario so like... ._.
So the only reason Kitsunemimi claims now is that Lilac mentioned his 'role' in the previous post? How is that not scummy?
Other people on this page suggested that I was PGO, it was pretty much figured out already :/
If I didn't say anything about it, wouldn't that have been more suspicious?
If I didn't say anything about it, wouldn't that have been more suspicious?
Oh, if you're referring to this:
I realize picking Hina would be pretty obvious on me, but I didn't realize my role would also reveal itself like this ._.
I quoted that post because it was the most relevant. I was actually referring to the original post where he first calls me "Hina", which is basically how Jinxy figured out my role.Kitsunemimi wrote:
......Mou. You totally gave me away...!! You should've known that calling me Hina here would cause ambiguity and/or confusion ;_;Lilac wrote:
Mimi long ago actually cosplayed as Hina. I adored his cosplay so I called him that for quite a bit. Still do now.
I realize picking Hina would be pretty obvious on me, but I didn't realize my role would also reveal itself like this ._.
I wonder how lilac was able to breadcrumb such a thing in day 1.
or why you, kitsune, would feel pressured by something that basically only can be mere assumption except in one case.
and why jinxy would pick the breadcrumb up now and directly deduct from it that hina has to be in the game and hina has to be the PGO.
or why you, kitsune, would feel pressured by something that basically only can be mere assumption except in one case.
and why jinxy would pick the breadcrumb up now and directly deduct from it that hina has to be in the game and hina has to be the PGO.
Lilac already explained why he calls me Hina, it's the legitimate reason.
And I wasn't pressured, I just had no reason not to claim anymore because the mafia would be able to assume I'm PGO.
And Jinxy picked up the breadcrumb because he's smart, and someone mentioning an actual Touhou name is a really obvious giveaway.
Lilac probably hadn't expected me to pick Hina because it was so obvious actually.
And I wasn't pressured, I just had no reason not to claim anymore because the mafia would be able to assume I'm PGO.
And Jinxy picked up the breadcrumb because he's smart, and someone mentioning an actual Touhou name is a really obvious giveaway.
Lilac probably hadn't expected me to pick Hina because it was so obvious actually.
also, lilac, could you be by any chance be nitori? seeing how I wanted her aswell (she was the first of my 3 options), you have a cosplay of her according to your post history, and how I ended up with my second choice, nazrin.
either her, or yuuka. or someone you didn't ever mention in this forum (but that would be a useless breadcrumb for everyone but a selected few. also I believe you are female when you cosplay a lot of female characters?)
either her, or yuuka. or someone you didn't ever mention in this forum (but that would be a useless breadcrumb for everyone but a selected few. also I believe you are female when you cosplay a lot of female characters?)
Why would he do that in the first place? Why to such an obnoxious, weird thing? Maybe for someone to pick it up and then be able to claim something pretty convenient.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Lilac already explained why he calls me Hina, it's the legitimate reason.
Don't ask me why, he was the one who did it.
Again, I said he probably hadn't expect me to pick Hina in the first place.
Again, I said he probably hadn't expect me to pick Hina in the first place.
He did it for someone to notice (JInxy) so you have a reason to claim so people stay away from you during the night and the only way to kill you would be a lynch.
So are you saying I'm a mafia-aligned PGO then? Wouldn't that be a bit OP? Also, if I were, I would've went with drawing attention to myself so everyone else gets killed, instead of trying to push it away from me.
Also, what you just suggested is so risky. In order for someone to have figured out the case, first of all, someone MUST pick up Lilac's reference to my character. Second of all, someone MUST target me during the night, and die. I never planned for it to happen, nor have I even made a single effort for towards that (because I'm trying to avoid getting townies killed here). And thirdly, someone had to have been able to connect the 'unfortunate' death of whoever targetted me to myself. I don't even know the extent to Jinxy's knowledge of Touhou, there's no way we can rely on a method like this which is so reliant on uncontrolled variables. No way I would do it anyways.
Plus, it goes against what I suggested in the first place, that is, if I were Mafia PGO, I'd already be trying to get people to come get me checked.
Also, what you just suggested is so risky. In order for someone to have figured out the case, first of all, someone MUST pick up Lilac's reference to my character. Second of all, someone MUST target me during the night, and die. I never planned for it to happen, nor have I even made a single effort for towards that (because I'm trying to avoid getting townies killed here). And thirdly, someone had to have been able to connect the 'unfortunate' death of whoever targetted me to myself. I don't even know the extent to Jinxy's knowledge of Touhou, there's no way we can rely on a method like this which is so reliant on uncontrolled variables. No way I would do it anyways.
Plus, it goes against what I suggested in the first place, that is, if I were Mafia PGO, I'd already be trying to get people to come get me checked.
That's why he made that breadcrumb so early, it was not the main tactic of yours, it was more like a gambit. Also I don't say you're a mafia-aligned PGO, I say you are lying about your role. No one would check you during the night, because they would be afraid of dying. This is pretty smart.
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
flavour does hint at the role. up until now, every claim made sense, and the flavour fitted the role.fartownik wrote:
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
especially since pieguy said that he would chose a character and give that character a fitting role.
Seriously? I really hope you don't mean that "Touhou PyP" in the game name has no significance in the roles we get.fartownik wrote:
Possibly? I don't think flavor should determine the role tbh.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Then what would the cause of Rantai's death be?
A serial killer? Pushed him down the stairs?
Unless you meant that the role doesn't have to fit the action in which case I ask you: do you think it's more likely that an SK performed his kill by pushing Rantai down the stairs (when SK kills are usually just denoted by just "killed"), or he just game to visit me, and de to my terrible bad luck, he tripped down the stairs, hit his head, and actually died from it.
I think the 'hit his head' part is important here.
Oh my god I suck at typing on my phone.
he just came to visit me, and due to my terrible bad luck*
he just came to visit me, and due to my terrible bad luck*
Yes, I meant the cause of death shouldn't be a tell of someone's role.
Tbh I think it's a pretty normal thing to make the kill indicative of the role of the person who killed them... That's the whole point of having a story, isn't it?
Yes, when it's an open setup with known roles, but if the host does that with a closed one, when all the roles are unknown it's pretty much spoiling the game.
Also the only thing that the stupid no lynch gave us is a possibility of scum being in that wagon, and it's high. You simply let mafia pick whoever they wanted to kill while keeping WIFOM and letting them hide as much information as they need. Also if we lynched D1 we'd have some useful information before the night which could interfere with the actual night actions for the better. Also obvious chance for hitting scum D1 was lost.
That's why I think there's at least 1 scum in that damn wagon.
That's why I think there's at least 1 scum in that damn wagon.
So then it's just a coincidence that someone died in a rather mundane way which makes it look like it has something to do with bad luck, which is what I had supposedly been wanting to happen so that I can fakeclaim Hina as PGO?
fart, if we had lynched, then we would be probably in a MyLo situation now.
Fine, you're most likely not lying. Your train of thought and the answers for my questions seem Town, which also leans Lilac Town a bit more too.
Leaves Tanzklaue and RB from the no lynch wagon. I had a townread on Tanz and a possible scumread for all the game on RB, so it's him. He's probably scum with Kanye (good coincidence there).
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Vote: RB
Leaves Tanzklaue and RB from the no lynch wagon. I had a townread on Tanz and a possible scumread for all the game on RB, so it's him. He's probably scum with Kanye (good coincidence there).
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Vote: RB
I voted NL since Tanz said pressuring Lilac won't do anything within that hour before lynch even occurs.
Vote: RB.
You should have realised that before you even voted for me. It seemed to me that you were voting to waste time instead of either voting one of the two people that was close to being lynched or no lynching much earlier.
You should have realised that before you even voted for me. It seemed to me that you were voting to waste time instead of either voting one of the two people that was close to being lynched or no lynching much earlier.
Topic Starter
votecount 2.1:
Raging Bull (2) - fartownik, Lilac
deadline is in 82:51
Raging Bull (2) - fartownik, Lilac
deadline is in 82:51
let's look even deeper into this issue...
up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.
with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.
so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.
overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.
Vote: RB
up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.
with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.
so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.
overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.
Vote: RB
Unvote.
Not risking a quick hammer. I wanted to build pressure only.
Not risking a quick hammer. I wanted to build pressure only.
Tanzklaue wrote:
let's look even deeper into this issue...
up until RBs vote on lilac,it was a tie between the kanye bandwaggon and the tanz bandwaggon. if RB had stayed on the waggon, then lilac most likely would've voted kanye. neither the klaue nor the no lynch waggon could've beaten the kanye waggon. result: kanye dead.
with his unvote though, the kanye waggon was basically dead. there was no chance to bring the kanye waggon over the tanz waggon, and I would've been dead. now, of course I would now switch to the NL waggon in order to not get myself lynched, and lilac would join the waggon. result: kanye doesn't get lynched.
so what I am saying is: for some reason, RB didn't want kanye to get lynched. he didn't care in the end if I had been lynched or if no lynch gets through. there really wasn't that much reason for RB to not push a kanye lynch. at least no town motivated reasons.
overall, I think i have to let kanye get away another day.
Vote: RB
fuck my internet this is what I wanted to say.
I voted for Lilac because of how he looked like he knew there was 3 people in a scum team. His questioning on Kitsune looked faked and staged too me as a way for distancing, especially with such a time zone difference and the time between the replies. And him wanting to vote but feel uncomfortable for voting. There shouldn't be a reason why.
You are reading way too much into it if I cared you got lynch or if I wanted NL. I stated why I thought Lilac was scum so I in turn voted for him. Then you stated how there is no point in pressuring Lilac at that point anymore and by the time I even get to reply, people just went on the no lynch wagon. Either I voted for you or Kanye or go for NL at that point of time no longer made a difference.
I voted for Lilac because of how he looked like he knew there was 3 people in a scum team. His questioning on Kitsune looked faked and staged too me as a way for distancing, especially with such a time zone difference and the time between the replies. And him wanting to vote but feel uncomfortable for voting. There shouldn't be a reason why.
You are reading way too much into it if I cared you got lynch or if I wanted NL. I stated why I thought Lilac was scum so I in turn voted for him. Then you stated how there is no point in pressuring Lilac at that point anymore and by the time I even get to reply, people just went on the no lynch wagon. Either I voted for you or Kanye or go for NL at that point of time no longer made a difference.
There's a lot of things that don't add up...and honestly there's just one big problem.
Vote: RB. Why the hell did you not vote for me again? I'm only uncomfortable in voting when I don't have a reason to vote for someone and I even said that when I wanted to vote for Kanye but didn't have my computer to do it.
Trust me, I'm having a hard time deciding who's scum and you're not helping. So you'll need something much more to convince at least me why you aren't scum.
You're welcome, too.
Vote: RB. Why the hell did you not vote for me again? I'm only uncomfortable in voting when I don't have a reason to vote for someone and I even said that when I wanted to vote for Kanye but didn't have my computer to do it.
Trust me, I'm having a hard time deciding who's scum and you're not helping. So you'll need something much more to convince at least me why you aren't scum.
You're welcome, too.
Topic Starter
votecount 2.2:
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
deadline is in 71:04
Raging Bull (4) - fartownik, Tanzklaue, Royston, Lilac (L-1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
deadline is in 71:04
Okay so let me see.
I didn't vote for you because I wanted to give you a chance and see how the hell you got 3 scum. You did and gave me the formula and so I also looked around games and they did tend to follow it. So that was one huge chunk of suspicion you helped removed. Also you didn't even stated you wanted Kanye to get lynched, you only mentioned Tanz. You also mentioned you were strongly against no lynching and after Rantai went on no lynch too, you just decided to go on no lynch. You could have tried to convince even more instead of just hopping on it, but yet you easily gave up. If you really were going to try hard and scum hunt, you shouldn't give up at all.
Honestly, the way it grew, at least one scum is on my wagon. My suspicion is still on you, but obviously voting on you would just make it OMGUS at this point.
@fart, what have I done that gave you a scum read on me?
I didn't vote for you because I wanted to give you a chance and see how the hell you got 3 scum. You did and gave me the formula and so I also looked around games and they did tend to follow it. So that was one huge chunk of suspicion you helped removed. Also you didn't even stated you wanted Kanye to get lynched, you only mentioned Tanz. You also mentioned you were strongly against no lynching and after Rantai went on no lynch too, you just decided to go on no lynch. You could have tried to convince even more instead of just hopping on it, but yet you easily gave up. If you really were going to try hard and scum hunt, you shouldn't give up at all.
Honestly, the way it grew, at least one scum is on my wagon. My suspicion is still on you, but obviously voting on you would just make it OMGUS at this point.
@fart, what have I done that gave you a scum read on me?
I am actually severely handicapped right about now since I have capped internet until 11th of this month. Not to mentioned I'm stressed out about this game but ignore that.
1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.
2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?
4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.
Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
1. There's nothing wrong with an OMGUS vote, screw the haters, if you have a valid reason to vote for someone like me then bloody do it and make it a good case against me.
2. I did mention about a Kanye lynch being better than a Tanz one. I would dig up a quote but I'm having trouble posting enough as is now, look at the posts by me leading up to the no lynch.
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?
4. I tried near the beginning of the day on 3 different people to try and scumhunt. Mimi, Tanz and BRBP. I don't want to give up but when 3 town are dead that takes a complete morale blow like you would never believe.
Come on, mate. At least help me if you can't help yourself.
Lilac wrote:
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?
So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.Lilac wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.
I will get to the bottom of this.
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at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.fartownik wrote:
Lilac wrote:
3. I had 50 minutes to convince 2 other people that no lynching was terrible. Do you know how improbable that was to do?So you just voted No Lynch because you thought it's a terrible idea? Hm, interesting. Actually, if you hadn't done anything at that point, Tanz would be lynched. He had 3 votes on himself, same for No Lynch, but he'd get lynched because he got 3 votes first. Also - Kanye had 2 votes, you could've either: vote Kanye, vote Tanz or do nothing when you thought No Lynch was a bad idea, but you voted it anyways.Lilac wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
Ugh. Far out. My computer is way too slow to load so I'm using 3G. As much as I said I do not like this I don't think I can convince anyone now to think otherwise and I do concede that another possible town lynch could be really bad.
I will get to the bottom of this.
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also, what lilac said wasn't that he/she (could someone please answer ;;) voted NL because it's a terrible idea, but because the high potential of hitting town is even worse, considering how one townie was already dead.
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.Tanzklaue wrote:
at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Vote: Kanye
I couldn't have voted kanye.fartownik wrote:
Yep, but still - the fact that he voted No Lynch even before your vote is weird. If he voted Kanye, he'd have 3 votes, and then you could vote Kanye too so he'd be lynched. Reason - he didn't want Kanye lynched. It's funny because you mentioned RB didn't want Kanye lynched and now it's up on Lilac, with you in the case. Either way, Kanye is scum, so I will just vote him because he's slipping there for far too long.Tanzklaue wrote:
at that point of time, I would'e voted NL regardless of what lilac would've voted. NL would've happened either way.
Vote: Kanye
the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
Oh shit, I didn't notice that.Tanzklaue wrote:
I couldn't have voted kanye.
the reason: the scond vote on him after yours was mine.
there was no possibility to get 4 votes on kanye without RBs support, as the rest didn't want to lynch kanye.
It doesn't change the fact that Lilac voted something he thought was a bad idea. No Lynch itself is a way to decrease the losses in Town population, so he contradicted himself there. The vote was just too convenient.
It's probably because I didn't know how the votes worked but I wouldn't vote for someone with that little time to think. I'm not sure why I wanted a No Lynch at the end but I really don't know anything anymore...
Let me just think for a bit. I'll get back to all of you tomorrow when I'll actually try and get my thoughts straight.
Let me just think for a bit. I'll get back to all of you tomorrow when I'll actually try and get my thoughts straight.
@mod: deadline please
Should be around 68 hours from now.
Topic Starter
deadline is 8/5 9:00 GMT, 69:02 from now
Wait you mean mimi was really hina? what
Well, reading back to before N1 started, I agree that RB's sudden switch to Lilac after saying he was more suspicious of Kanye/Sakura is quite scummy in itself, but the same can be said for Lilac's No Lynch vote, which fart picked up on just now. That timeframe there is just a massive blur to me, after the 7 pages of back and forth. I'll reread it later to see if I can find anything else new.
Another thing that caught my attention is Royston bringing RB to L-1. He may be new, but he should have known that bringing anyone to L-1 so early in the day isn't a good idea because it allows for the quickhammer. His reasoning was to "bring the heat up", which is a weak reasoning when RB's already the far majority in votes. I feel he's just trying to get onto a wagon and stay there undetected, so I'll just ask him the question.
Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?
Well, reading back to before N1 started, I agree that RB's sudden switch to Lilac after saying he was more suspicious of Kanye/Sakura is quite scummy in itself, but the same can be said for Lilac's No Lynch vote, which fart picked up on just now. That timeframe there is just a massive blur to me, after the 7 pages of back and forth. I'll reread it later to see if I can find anything else new.
Another thing that caught my attention is Royston bringing RB to L-1. He may be new, but he should have known that bringing anyone to L-1 so early in the day isn't a good idea because it allows for the quickhammer. His reasoning was to "bring the heat up", which is a weak reasoning when RB's already the far majority in votes. I feel he's just trying to get onto a wagon and stay there undetected, so I'll just ask him the question.
Royston: Why did you see the need to "bring the heat up"?