And if you're curious, I tried breaking your entire arguement on voting for me, and all you can ever default to is gut feeling. Have some actual solid evidence.
and also hi LS
and also hi LS
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is that directed at me?
@pieguy
read my post it's not cause of that, it's cause he didn't even mention this anywhere till I did. it's the idea of following other people which is what mafia do a lot
also you didn't refute anything cause your reasoning wasn't correct
also you didn't refute anything cause your reasoning wasn't correct
I did, I think you have tunnel vision because like I keep stating, all you can ever do is keep going back into your gut feeling argument. Every time I keep questioning you more and more, you seem to be going deeper and deeper into your safe hole of "its gut feeling vote the entire time"
because its a safe defense for you
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions
well then
Unvote
Vote: No Lynch
Unvote
Vote: No Lynch
Sorry guys I overslept :< I hope it's not the deadline yet.
I really wouldn't feel confident about myself in later days if RB flipped Town today. I didn't have more reasons than 'gut feeling' for voting him, as he said by himself, and the fight between him and pieguy (going over and over) is just leaning RB more to Town. Also pieguy, I already explained why I voted RB after you. I didn't even care what would you think about it, why bringing this up so badly?
Unvote
I will post in a moment who I lynch, I just want to Unvote because don't want RB lynched anymore.
I really wouldn't feel confident about myself in later days if RB flipped Town today. I didn't have more reasons than 'gut feeling' for voting him, as he said by himself, and the fight between him and pieguy (going over and over) is just leaning RB more to Town. Also pieguy, I already explained why I voted RB after you. I didn't even care what would you think about it, why bringing this up so badly?
Unvote
I will post in a moment who I lynch, I just want to Unvote because don't want RB lynched anymore.
pieguy1372 wrote:
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions
What?What?What?
pieguy1372 wrote:
wait what the hell am I even saying, I already set it up obv, I'm mostly just too tired to do anything right now cause it's 2:21 PM and I've been up since 8:30 PM yesterday
anyway, cut to the chase
after thinking about it NL might not be such a good idea cause there might not even be a vig/PGO or they both might kill someone. also seems it would delay information, it'd be better to get the game moving just so new stuff can happen
okay I swear I saw a post by RB saying that he was for NL and then I saw a post saying that he didn't think NL was a good idea. also seems RB isn't posting quite as much as the others. also Qua was all for NL then said something like "scumhunting should be enough for us to lynch mafia" which I'm not even sure how that could work together..
Tsukasa seems to be actually doing stuff so he's town for me. Caligno seems to be doing stuff too, I think Rantai is town for reasons, and imo fartownik is leaning town for me due to gut feeling. also it's reasonable to think that Tanz just screwed up or wasn't paying attention or was tired etc.
we've spent all this time just arguing over NL or not NL, we need to do something
vote: RB see above for the idea, also it's my gut feeling. if anyone sees something wrong with my analysis let me know plz cause I probably messed something up
What?
EBWOP: I really wouldn't like lynching Tanz right now. You guys are voting him mostly because of the slip he made in the beginning. I know he started AtEing pretty soon, but that just leans even more for Town. As scum he wouldn't bring this much attention so quickly, he'd try to direct the suspicions at someone else. He wasn't close to the hammer, neither it was close to the deadline.
The only left possibility is No Lynch. Even if it's not the optimal end, I don't want to lynch someone that just seems Town for me.
Vote: No Lynch
The only left possibility is No Lynch. Even if it's not the optimal end, I don't want to lynch someone that just seems Town for me.
Vote: No Lynch
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
After a long, heated discussion, the remaining survivors of the terrible disaster decided against any more bloodshed for the day. They begin constructing makeshift shelters for the night.
It is now Night 1. Please submit all actions. Deadline is in 24 hours.
No Lynch: Quaraezha, Rantai, Tanzklaue, fartownik
Tanzklaue: Tsukasa, CalignoBot
Raging Bull: pieguy1372
Quaraezha: BRBP
pieguy1372: Raging Bull
Tanzklaue: Tsukasa, CalignoBot
Raging Bull: pieguy1372
Quaraezha: BRBP
pieguy1372: Raging Bull
After a long, heated discussion, the remaining survivors of the terrible disaster decided against any more bloodshed for the day. They begin constructing makeshift shelters for the night.
It is now Night 1. Please submit all actions. Deadline is in 24 hours.
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RB I can't tell if you're serious or trolling
or just mafia
if you're serious, you were referring to me just "going back" to gut feeling. that doesn't count cause at that point you hadn't questioned me using gut feeling. that was just one of the reasons I included with my vote, cause afaik we're supposed to include reasons with votes.
srsly, just give it up already. probably you're mad cause I called you out D1 and you're making up insane reasons and wrong logic to try to get me lynched instead. I voted you and you just completely caved. but it doesn't matter cause we're NL'ing anyway
if something happens N1 that puts you as town, I'll think about it differently
RB I can't tell if you're serious or trolling
or just mafia
if you're serious, you were referring to me just "going back" to gut feeling. that doesn't count cause at that point you hadn't questioned me using gut feeling. that was just one of the reasons I included with my vote, cause afaik we're supposed to include reasons with votes.
srsly, just give it up already. probably you're mad cause I called you out D1 and you're making up insane reasons and wrong logic to try to get me lynched instead. I voted you and you just completely caved. but it doesn't matter cause we're NL'ing anyway
if something happens N1 that puts you as town, I'll think about it differently
...fk ninja'd by Kayne..
sorry > < hopefully I don't get a penalty for this..
sorry > < hopefully I don't get a penalty for this..
Topic Starter
You wake up to find a body covered in blood, with what seems to be several stab wounds. Upon closer inspection, it seems to be CalignoBot. In his outstretched hand is a police officer's badge.
CalignoBot was killed. CalignoBot was a Cop (town).
It is now Day 2. Voting deadline is in 96 hours. It takes 5 votes to hammer.
CalignoBot was killed. CalignoBot was a Cop (town).
It is now Day 2. Voting deadline is in 96 hours. It takes 5 votes to hammer.
Jesus Fucking Christ do I have something to report.
I am a Mystery Role (Town) and I visited Tsukasa last night.
And my role was changed!
I am now a Secret Role (Town)
I have no way to prove it but Tsukasa is clear to me now.
I am a Mystery Role (Town) and I visited Tsukasa last night.
And my role was changed!
I am now a Secret Role (Town)
I have no way to prove it but Tsukasa is clear to me now.
I am not entirely sure if we swapped or if I'm just copying Tsukasa's role.
So I'll have to wait until Tsukasa has something to say about this.
So I'll have to wait until Tsukasa has something to say about this.
I tareted tsukasa aswell, and nothing happened to me.
targeted*
Oh wow of all the roles.
Btw Q, I'm going to say you were probably a 1 shot role. Still going to wait until everyone has chimed in first. (nothing happened to me)
Btw Q, I'm going to say you were probably a 1 shot role. Still going to wait until everyone has chimed in first. (nothing happened to me)
SPOILER
Before anyone starts flipping off about how we lost an informative role after the no-lynch, bear in mind that he was probably going to be shot anyway last night.
My take on what happened here:
If the claims are true, we had 3 Mystery Roles: Caligno (Cop), Tanz (Something), Quarezha (Something).
Quarezha losing his ability tells me it was a 1-shot role, and it somehow didn't work on Tsukasa. Might've been even a 1-shot Vigilante and Tsukasa got protected by Tanzklaue and he's a Doc, or Tsukasa is a killproof.
If above is true then Mafia's Nightkill was successful and that's what killed Caligno, unless Tsukasa is a Self-Bus Driver and he switched with Caligno and he died from Quarezha's Vig-shot (mafia's nightkill would be blocked by someone then).
If the claims are true, we had 3 Mystery Roles: Caligno (Cop), Tanz (Something), Quarezha (Something).
Quarezha losing his ability tells me it was a 1-shot role, and it somehow didn't work on Tsukasa. Might've been even a 1-shot Vigilante and Tsukasa got protected by Tanzklaue and he's a Doc, or Tsukasa is a killproof.
If above is true then Mafia's Nightkill was successful and that's what killed Caligno, unless Tsukasa is a Self-Bus Driver and he switched with Caligno and he died from Quarezha's Vig-shot (mafia's nightkill would be blocked by someone then).
So Tsukasa is either mystery role or VT (since more than likely bulletproof or deathproof is one shot).
@Q, did it specifically say that you visited Tsukasa? Or did you just get a "You are secret role now" from Kanye? If that's true, there is also a possibility of a roleblocker in this game.
Don't know about you guys, but
Vote:pieguy
@Q, did it specifically say that you visited Tsukasa? Or did you just get a "You are secret role now" from Kanye? If that's true, there is also a possibility of a roleblocker in this game.
Don't know about you guys, but
Vote:pieguy
Nope. Nothing about actually visitting Tsukasa, so I might have been driven to someone else.
It didn't also specify that I took his role, so I guess I really was a 1-shot vig.
A cop, a vig and a doc sounds about right to me
It didn't also specify that I took his role, so I guess I really was a 1-shot vig.
A cop, a vig and a doc sounds about right to me
Not red gg
my smartphone is so small ;w;
Ill go fix it when I get to a computer
Ill go fix it when I get to a computer
I don't want to disclose what happened since it's pretty much like claiming and I never want that.
Though Qua is actually telling the truth
Though Qua is actually telling the truth
Does this mean Tanz is not telling the truth? How do you know Quarezha is being honest?Tsukasa wrote:
I don't want to disclose what happened since it's pretty much like claiming and I never want that.
Though Qua is actually telling the truth
nothing happened to me or to tsukasa, I think.
since tsukasa still seemed to activate his ability of sorts, my best guess is that I am a doc.
since tsukasa still seemed to activate his ability of sorts, my best guess is that I am a doc.
I activated nothing.
It probably activated itself.
So by far... you are only 5% Doc maybe
It probably activated itself.
So by far... you are only 5% Doc maybe
so you got a message by kanye saying that something with you and quara happened?
It's something that support Qua's claim.
And I know what you are thinking. "OMG TSUKASA JUST SPILL THE BEANS ALREADY!!!"
No. I don't like claiming. Figure it out yourself if you're good enough.
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All of this aside, I still suspect you even if you claim.
Or I could always go after a lurksack like BRBP
Or I could follow RB on pieguy because he's being lurky and he only posts to defend himself
And I know what you are thinking. "OMG TSUKASA JUST SPILL THE BEANS ALREADY!!!"
No. I don't like claiming. Figure it out yourself if you're good enough.
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All of this aside, I still suspect you even if you claim.
Or I could always go after a lurksack like BRBP
Or I could follow RB on pieguy because he's being lurky and he only posts to defend himself
I've posted my reads and started the whole thing with RBTsukasa wrote:
Or I could follow RB on pieguy because he's being lurky and he only posts to defend himself
I wouldn't be surprised if Kanye pulled a LS and put a role that swaps two people's roles. anyway
either Tsukasa is 1-shot, in which case vigilante seems most likely imo. but 1-shot vigilante (or 1-shot anything for that matter) seems a bit eh in a setup like this, cause by the time you know what your role is it's too late already. Tsukasa seemed to know Qua targeted him though so I bet he's 1-shot bulletproof or smth
in that case, Tanz could also be a vigilante. in that case it'd make more sense cause 1-shot vigilante seems a bit ridiculous. Tsukasa may have been something like a seraph knight or something who gives some ability to someone for the whole game.
or his role got outright changed, but this isn't mind game mafia so even that would be kind of insane
Did Tsukasa ever say he was a Mystery Role?
His suspicion on Tankz and trust on me tells me that Tsukasa is actually bulletproof and his vest was hit by me, and was not protect by Tankz, the "Doctor".
His suspicion on Tankz and trust on me tells me that Tsukasa is actually bulletproof and his vest was hit by me, and was not protect by Tankz, the "Doctor".
nvm my question. Caligno was the other Mystery role.
Just curious, but where did everyone get the idea that there are 3 mystery roles?
Is what made me think we have 3 mystery roles.fartownik wrote:
My take on what happened here:
If the claims are true, we had 3 Mystery Roles: Caligno (Cop), Tanz (Something), Quarezha (Something).
It seems reasonable enough if there are 2 mafias:
1 secret mafia + 1 mystery mafia + 4 secret townie + 3 mystery townie
Around 3-4 mystery townies should be the case.
that's assuming Tanz is a doctor and he protected Tsukasa, so we'd get Qua (now a secret role), Tanz, and Caligno who died
for me this means Tanz and Qua are probably both town, it's not in mafia's favor to claim what their target was, unless one of them is outright lying
for me this means Tanz and Qua are probably both town, it's not in mafia's favor to claim what their target was, unless one of them is outright lying
However, Tsukasa is saying that he was not protected by Tanz. But would rather not claim yet. He also says he can clear me 90%.pieguy1372 wrote:
that's assuming Tanz is a doctor and he protected Tsukasa, so we'd get Qua (now a secret role), Tanz, and Caligno who died
for me this means Tanz and Qua are probably both town, it's not in mafia's favor to claim what their target was, unless one of them is outright lying
It's either just a misunderstanding and both of them are town, or one of them is lying.
Or some other messed up shit involving driving and/or roleswapping. Which I hope not.
tsukasa just said he "didn't activate anything". either way, Tanz targeted Tsukasa so that means he's a mystery role, even if he's not Doctor
given the situation, a driver/etc. shouldn't have been involved with those 3. (plus driver is impossible since each role only targets 1 person)
given the situation, a driver/etc. shouldn't have been involved with those 3. (plus driver is impossible since each role only targets 1 person)
Oh yeah. driving is out of the question then.
Tanzklue did claim that he was Mystery Role since D1
I don't know about you guys but I think he's just making shit up and he's just really a Secret Town or Mafia.
Tanzklue did claim that he was Mystery Role since D1
I don't know about you guys but I think he's just making shit up and he's just really a Secret Town or Mafia.
I really hope Kanye didn't pull a LS and include a role switcher
The only role I know that involves stealing another person's role is a Mimic.
Where Mimic steal Person A's town role and Persona A becomes villager.
But when Mimic attempts to Mimic Mafia, Mimic becomes a villager and nothing happens to Mafia.
I'm not exactly sure how a role switcher may work in this situation
If that were the case, does that mean Tsukasa can switch with another person at night?
What happens if he targets Mafia?
That sort of shit.
Based on the few claims so far, I'm leaning more on a 1-shot vigilante who shot Tsukasa, who's apparently still alive.
Where Mimic steal Person A's town role and Persona A becomes villager.
But when Mimic attempts to Mimic Mafia, Mimic becomes a villager and nothing happens to Mafia.
I'm not exactly sure how a role switcher may work in this situation
If that were the case, does that mean Tsukasa can switch with another person at night?
What happens if he targets Mafia?
That sort of shit.
Based on the few claims so far, I'm leaning more on a 1-shot vigilante who shot Tsukasa, who's apparently still alive.
Frankly, it'd be easier if Tsukasa claimed at this point. I know he doesn't like it, but why we have to struggle on getting the information clear when he can claim and we can be 100% sure what happened last night?
Definitely better than having Tsukasa die tonight before we get to hear what he has to say.
Ok. I'm pretty happy with Q and Tsukasa for now.
I'm not so sure about Tanz though, his 'poor me approach' to defending himself was quite off putting and then after going through his iso, his constant flip-flopping on votes is another concern (ie neutral --> NL --> Second thoughts --> NL last minute). Combined with the fact his action seems to be unverifiable, I'm uncomfortable. I guess the only thing for him is that having 2 mystery roles seems like a fairly low number but then again we have secret roles so maybe it makes sense?
About Fart, those last minute vote/unvotes was basically unnecessary, makes me wonder why he did those.
I'm not so sure about Tanz though, his 'poor me approach' to defending himself was quite off putting and then after going through his iso, his constant flip-flopping on votes is another concern (ie neutral --> NL --> Second thoughts --> NL last minute). Combined with the fact his action seems to be unverifiable, I'm uncomfortable. I guess the only thing for him is that having 2 mystery roles seems like a fairly low number but then again we have secret roles so maybe it makes sense?
About Fart, those last minute vote/unvotes was basically unnecessary, makes me wonder why he did those.
Because RB was about to be lynched and I thought he was not scum?Rantai wrote:
About Fart, those last minute vote/unvotes was basically unnecessary, makes me wonder why he did those.
Also I overslept, that's why it was a last-minute vote.
Except. RB was in no danger of being lynched at the time (3 for NL). Actually for that matter, no matter what you voted, it would have made no difference to the outcome.
I didn't know the votecount at that moment, I thought it will be safer if I just unvote, why wouldn't I do that? Should I've risked him being lynched off when I was not sure?Rantai wrote:
Except. RB was in no danger of being lynched at the time (3 for NL). Actually for that matter, no matter what you voted, it would have made no difference to the outcome.
Maybe one or two other more Mystery Roles are hiding and have nothing significant nor important to report so far?Rantai wrote:
I guess the only thing for him is that having 2 mystery roles seems like a fairly low number but then again we have secret roles so maybe it makes sense?.
Always possible. I forgot to put that in there too (yet I had that cross my mind, derp).
I know that my action isn't verifiable.
I still targeted tsukasa. I do wonder what happened between him and quara that confirms quara for him as town, but not me.
I still targeted tsukasa. I do wonder what happened between him and quara that confirms quara for him as town, but not me.
Guess we'll have to wait for Tsukasa to tell us his role and what made him confirm my action.
Why cant we just vote pieguy ? He kept contradicting himself
Ok since we won't be going anywhere and we probably have good enough information...
I gained mystery role last night.
Since Qua said he targeted me and lost his mystery role, He's pretty much 90% conf town.
Why only 90%? Well it'd be pretty rare if a scum said it. Though the remaining 10% can say that qua is mystery scum. But it's highly unlikely
Tanz is still scummy though
I gained mystery role last night.
Since Qua said he targeted me and lost his mystery role, He's pretty much 90% conf town.
Why only 90%? Well it'd be pretty rare if a scum said it. Though the remaining 10% can say that qua is mystery scum. But it's highly unlikely
Tanz is still scummy though
Wht about tanz targetting you?
because I thought you are scum. so, whatever ability I had, I would use it on you to get domething.
but turns out that I seem to have one of the few abilities that wouldn't do anything obvious for the eye.
but turns out that I seem to have one of the few abilities that wouldn't do anything obvious for the eye.
before I aimed it at you: no idea of course.
now: I think doc, though jailkeeper could also be a possibility. I don't think that I'm a redirecting role, since you and quara interacted with each other.
but I have no real evidence myself for what i exactly did. certainly didn't explode in your face.
could I be still vigilante, and you were blletproof, and quara had a roleswitching ability? or would the roleswitch have priority over the vig shot?
now: I think doc, though jailkeeper could also be a possibility. I don't think that I'm a redirecting role, since you and quara interacted with each other.
but I have no real evidence myself for what i exactly did. certainly didn't explode in your face.
could I be still vigilante, and you were blletproof, and quara had a roleswitching ability? or would the roleswitch have priority over the vig shot?
The bulletproof should know if his vest was hit, and nothing of the sort happened to Tsukasa.
Since Tsukasa said he WAS a Secret Role who BECAMEa Mystery Role
and that I WAS a Mystery Role who BECAME a Secret Role
This kinda throws off the 1-shot vig theory, and that I really am some sort of Role Switcher?
It was clearly stated in my message that I was "Mystery Role(Town)" who turned "Secret Role(Town)"
If this was the case, that makes me and Tsukasa clear town.
Tankzlue's role is now kinda meh now, since I wasn't vig so he couldn't have protected Tsukasa from any shot.
Since Tsukasa said he WAS a Secret Role who BECAMEa Mystery Role
and that I WAS a Mystery Role who BECAME a Secret Role
This kinda throws off the 1-shot vig theory, and that I really am some sort of Role Switcher?
It was clearly stated in my message that I was "Mystery Role(Town)" who turned "Secret Role(Town)"
If this was the case, that makes me and Tsukasa clear town.
Tankzlue's role is now kinda meh now, since I wasn't vig so he couldn't have protected Tsukasa from any shot.
A jailkeeper role is just weird in this kind of setup.
The target should also know if he was jailed too.
The target should also know if he was jailed too.
It's impossible for a JK.
If I was JK'd then you could not target me, probably
If I was JK'd then you could not target me, probably
And in addition tanz is still acting scummy. So I don't care either way
I'm okay with a pieguy lynch.
what me, explain plz 0.0
inb4 Qua + RB scumteam
inb4 Qua + RB scumteam
I wondered why Qua mentioned me for seeming no reason till I saw this post
oh wait that's cause there is no logical response cause your whole reasoning is bullshit to begin with
for anyone who wants to know why
not gonna vote RB for now cause the fact everyone is just following the idea of lynching me is just really weird imo.. best way for mafia to not be detected is to just follow others as I said before
okay no. you have done nothing but come up with bullshit reasoning to get me lynched. you also haven't even given any logical response to anything I've countered, alsoRaging Bull wrote:
Why cant we just vote pieguy ? He kept contradicting himself
oh wait that's cause there is no logical response cause your whole reasoning is bullshit to begin with
for anyone who wants to know why
SPOILER
also he's acting so aggressive cause he's just mad I called him out D1 and don't even need a 100% objective reason to do it
hardly ggsI'm doing a lot less hopping around than you did pieguy, your vote on me was based on me rather no lynching or lynch. As you can see, I didn't even vote for any of them. I never made some finalized voting yet because I'm still for lynching someone.nope it's cause you just magically agree with everything that comes up. when people wanted to NL, you wanted to NL. when people wanted to lynch, you suddenly wanted to lynch. easiest way for mafia to be undetected is to just follow what everyone else does
I really don't care if you guys think this is OMGUS. pieguy is just reading scum to me. He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.that vote was just temporary till I got an answer from caligno. no point in not voting him for then when there's a possibility what he said is outright impossible
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.makes it seem like I'm doing something illogical when I'm not
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.misquotes my statement implying I said we should just wait around for a whole day when I never said that
Yet a simple question would suffice, but apparently voting someone who is nowhere near lynch at all = pressure. I will never ever understand that because it makes no sense.voting someone = more pressure than not voting someone, again tries to make it seem like I'm doing something illogical when I'm not
I thought it's funny how you unvoted NL without a reason until the next post. If it was RVS, okay then, but what? Usually you provide a reason for voting and unvoting.cause I realized NL was a bad idea, I unvoted NL in advance and posted my reasoning with my next post, since it was a vote/unvote I wanted to put it there first
It's all you. Don't scum paint anyone else.posted this in response to me offering valid reasoning
And if you're curious, I tried breaking your entire arguement on voting for me, and all you can ever default to is gut feeling. Have some actual solid evidence.I mentioned everything above previously and he just says I "default to gut feeling"
What?okay so here I ask him where I mentioned gut feeling after he started accusing me with BS reasons, and he srsly quoted my original vote and that was it. afaik we're supposed to post reasoning with votes
I don't care what you think of my role now, but when I flip town, please lynch him.
I want to flip as town so everyone can see that pieguy is just voting me for a really weak excuse.
But once I flip town, my job is done.people who say this are 99.99% mafia
also he's acting so aggressive cause he's just mad I called him out D1 and don't even need a 100% objective reason to do it
that was a joke cause Qua blatantly followed RB's BS reasonsBRBP wrote:
inb4 Qua + RB scumteam
not gonna vote RB for now cause the fact everyone is just following the idea of lynching me is just really weird imo.. best way for mafia to not be detected is to just follow others as I said before
okay let's see here
Qua is probably a role switcher and it works so that he switches with whoever he targets. 1-shot anything in this game seems BS because by the time you know what happened it's too late to do anything. also this means we don't even know what Tanz did anymore
now that I think about it a bit more, this doesn't even confirm anyone. it's possible it switches the role someone has without changing alignment, e.g. a town RS could switch with a mafia rolecop and we'd get a town rolecop and a mafia RS
that said, since there was no bulletproof involved it means there probably was no vig either. there could still be a PGO (and would make sense with this setup too), just no one targeted him
Anyway, Tanz thus has to either be an active role who doesn't get any result of some sort, or he's mafia. given how weird he was acting, seems it could be the latter, but we also haven't seen a doctor/JK/etc. (RS probably happens before all other actions) probably one of the 3 who blatantly followed RB without even reading what happened is mafia as I said before. if Qua is mafia that means we started out with a mafia roleswitcher and I'm not sure how likely that even is. I'm leaning town on Tsukasa cause he was kind of apprehensive about telling what happened, seems like he's wary of what drawbacks it could have for mafia.
BRBP, if that's srsly the best you can do then go attack someone who actually has valid evidence against them plz. also you watched the whole thing and didn't even comment instead saying "it seems fake". if you got involved there was the chance we could come up with even more ideas or (if you were town from your perspective) mb out RB or me
you know what, you try to blend in even more than RB does
vote: BRBP
Qua is probably a role switcher and it works so that he switches with whoever he targets. 1-shot anything in this game seems BS because by the time you know what happened it's too late to do anything. also this means we don't even know what Tanz did anymore
now that I think about it a bit more, this doesn't even confirm anyone. it's possible it switches the role someone has without changing alignment, e.g. a town RS could switch with a mafia rolecop and we'd get a town rolecop and a mafia RS
that said, since there was no bulletproof involved it means there probably was no vig either. there could still be a PGO (and would make sense with this setup too), just no one targeted him
Anyway, Tanz thus has to either be an active role who doesn't get any result of some sort, or he's mafia. given how weird he was acting, seems it could be the latter, but we also haven't seen a doctor/JK/etc. (RS probably happens before all other actions) probably one of the 3 who blatantly followed RB without even reading what happened is mafia as I said before. if Qua is mafia that means we started out with a mafia roleswitcher and I'm not sure how likely that even is. I'm leaning town on Tsukasa cause he was kind of apprehensive about telling what happened, seems like he's wary of what drawbacks it could have for mafia.
BRBP, if that's srsly the best you can do then go attack someone who actually has valid evidence against them plz. also you watched the whole thing and didn't even comment instead saying "it seems fake". if you got involved there was the chance we could come up with even more ideas or (if you were town from your perspective) mb out RB or me
you know what, you try to blend in even more than RB does
vote: BRBP
I'd rather vote for Tanz to be honest.
Pieguy's and RB's argument reminds me of the headaches school mafia gave me ._. (I'll go through it later when I'm not exhausted)
Pieguy's and RB's argument reminds me of the headaches school mafia gave me ._. (I'll go through it later when I'm not exhausted)
You've probably realized by now that your points on RB aren't really worth much, and Qua is basically confirmed, so you attacked me.attacking someone several times with BS reasoning, misquoting or outright ignoring what they said in defense, and outright not responding to questions isn't worth much? did you even read the thread
And to me this seems more like an attempt to attack everyone who's willing to vote you (RB -> Qua (joke, maybe not?)-> Me). You've probably realized by now that your points on RB aren't really worth much, and Qua is basically confirmed, so you attacked me.no, it's based off the reasoning that the best way for mafia to go unnoticed is to follow others
example what fartownik did in Stacking the Deck as soon as I accused Dake, even though it was his own teammate
Your reasoning comes down toa lot of people weren't posting cause they weren't there. you, on the other hand, were
*Being one of the people who's willing to vote you
*Being one of the people who didn't participate in your fight (7 out of 9)
as for the first point, see above
I have a headache from this whole thing too, roflRantai wrote:
Pieguy's and RB's argument reminds me of the headaches school mafia gave me ._. (I'll go through it later when I'm not exhausted)
Tanz seems a good enough vote too as I said before, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being Doctor or something > <
Rantai wrote:
I'd rather vote for Tanz to be honest.
Pieguy's and RB's argument reminds me of the headaches school mafia gave me ._. (I'll go through it later when I'm not exhausted)
Get your RNG ready.
pieguy1372 wrote:
attacking someone several times with BS reasoning, misquoting or outright ignoring what they said in defense, and outright not responding to questions isn't worth much? did you even read the thread
Give me examples of all 3.
Raging Bull wrote:
Get your RNG ready.
1. every single post you made
2.
3. you didn't respond at all to my last post on D1/N1. not explicitly a question but still something that needs a response, so it's the same idea..
2.
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.
He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.there were others just too lazy to find more
3. you didn't respond at all to my last post on D1/N1. not explicitly a question but still something that needs a response, so it's the same idea..
yeah you did, good job
I can't really defend against that besides what I already said. my reasoning was more logically sound than RB's reasoning was, and I didn't try to mislead people by quoting things wrong or ignoring stuff etc.
I'm still not sure what I think about all the other people btw. iirc I already talked about everyone besides Rantai and fartownik
Rantai seems town to me as he's considering all possibilities and not doing anything reckless. I think fartownik is town cause he seems to be posting less than in Stacking the Deck when he was mafia, but maybe it's just me and I'm not sure how reliable meta from just the one game can even be..
I can't really defend against that besides what I already said. my reasoning was more logically sound than RB's reasoning was, and I didn't try to mislead people by quoting things wrong or ignoring stuff etc.
I'm still not sure what I think about all the other people btw. iirc I already talked about everyone besides Rantai and fartownik
Rantai seems town to me as he's considering all possibilities and not doing anything reckless. I think fartownik is town cause he seems to be posting less than in Stacking the Deck when he was mafia, but maybe it's just me and I'm not sure how reliable meta from just the one game can even be..
Okay, so obviously Quarezha is a Role Switcher, unless he's planned this with Tsukasa, which I doubt could happen. They're not confirmed Town yet because there's a technical possibility one is scum without lying about the night action, but I think Tsukasa is most likely Town and he confirms Quara so he's probably Town as well.
I don't really have anything for the lynch today yet... I will re-read the entire thread because I kinda lost the leads for playing 2 games at once.
@mod: when's the deadline?
I don't really have anything for the lynch today yet... I will re-read the entire thread because I kinda lost the leads for playing 2 games at once.
@mod: when's the deadline?
I just realized that it's absurd if a Role Switcher PR is able to switch Alignments as well.
If that were the case, a mafia who turned townie can just screw over his partner now that his win condition is that of town now.
And I really hope Tsukasa isn't bullshitting us saying he gained a Mystery Role just to convince everyone that both he and I are town.
Guess we'll just have to wait until he "switches" with someone else tonight in hopes that they'd confirm such action too.
The deadline should be around 1-2 days left.
I believe pieguy defended himself well and gave some valid points about BRBP
So...
vote: BRBP
If that were the case, a mafia who turned townie can just screw over his partner now that his win condition is that of town now.
And I really hope Tsukasa isn't bullshitting us saying he gained a Mystery Role just to convince everyone that both he and I are town.
Guess we'll just have to wait until he "switches" with someone else tonight in hopes that they'd confirm such action too.
The deadline should be around 1-2 days left.
I believe pieguy defended himself well and gave some valid points about BRBP
So...
vote: BRBP
*blending in to avoid being caughtBRBP wrote:
*Being one of the people who's willing to vote you
*Being one of the people who didn't participate in your fight (7 out of 9)
*Being one of the people skimming through the thread to avoid 24h of inactivity when you were fighting and not posting(1 out of 9)
Assuming this is about RB, you call this blending in?blending in of course until he got caught, then he went into madness mode to try to get me lynched instead
I'm also intrested in why you didn't vote for RB again after all what you said about him.cause I thought it was really really weird how three people just suddenly agreed to lynch me. best strategy for mafia is to just follow others
BRBP wrote:
Unless you're (pieguy) intentionally removing names from your quotes to make it look like RB's nonsense was said by me (like you said), I'd really like to know why you're doing it.
BRBP wrote:
intentionally removing names from your quotes to make it look like RB's nonsense was said by me
BRBP wrote:
RB's nonsense
BRBP wrote:
RB
pieguy1372 wrote:
inb4 Qua + RB scumteam
pieguy1372 wrote:
I checked your previous posts and apparently you like to remove names from quotes, so maybe you weren't trying to scumpaint with that. You shouldn't do that, though...also, if you were serious. that is an incredibly weak and easily caught way of scumpainting people that no one would ever do it ever ever ever
oh wait you're just trying to get me lynched cause you're mafia with RB
1) Same as you. First it was my so called flip flop, then started saying im over reacting just because I'm questioning you even more and more because I'm not pleased with any of your answers.pieguy1372 wrote:
1. every single post you made
2.Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.there were others just too lazy to find more
3. you didn't respond at all to my last post on D1/N1. not explicitly a question but still something that needs a response, so it's the same idea..
2) You know I cannot understand anything you quote without explaining why it's misquoted.
3) Well okay then
How does it not count? Is it really just a filler then? Okay we will consider it a filler! Few questioning later, you then started saying "gut feeling gut feeling gut feeling"pieguy1372 wrote:
..
RB I can't tell if you're serious or trolling
or just mafia
if you're serious, you were referring to me just "going back" to gut feeling. that doesn't count cause at that point you hadn't questioned me using gut feeling. that was just one of the reasons I included with my vote, cause afaik we're supposed to include reasons with votes.
srsly, just give it up already. probably you're mad cause I called you out D1 and you're making up insane reasons and wrong logic to try to get me lynched instead. I voted you and you just completely caved. but it doesn't matter cause we're NL'ing anyway
if something happens N1 that puts you as town, I'll think about it differently
I'm serious. If you realized it, you first said
Check the bolded part.pieguy1372 wrote:
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions
1) Same as you. First it was my so called flip flop, then started saying im over reacting just because I'm questioning you even more and more because I'm not pleased with any of your answers.except my logic is actually sound, you're just making stuff up and repeating what you say over and over
3) Well okay then.......
...
no, just no. you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. that's complete BS and is just one of the reasons I'm accusing you
seriously, you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. I don't care if I shouldn't use bold, that is just the worst argument I've seen ever
also, you said I was mentioning "gut feeling" whenever you asked me anything
all you can ever do is keep going back into your gut feeling argument
keep going backthen I asked you where and you only mentioned MY ORIGINAL VOTE. that's not "going back", it's "including reasoning with votes"
now that you're coming with nonsense arguments again I almost feel like voting you just for that
How is it not compared to yours when it's the exact god damn thing that you said? FLIP FLOP.pieguy1372 wrote:
1) Same as you. First it was my so called flip flop, then started saying im over reacting just because I'm questioning you even more and more because I'm not pleased with any of your answers.except my logic is actually sound, you're just making stuff up and repeating what you say over and over
lol what? Is there actually anything on that paragraph worth mentioning? This is what I readpieguy1372 wrote:
.......
no, just no. you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. that's complete BS and is just one of the reasons I'm accusing you
seriously, you literally used just half of my sentence to change the meaning of what I said. I don't care if I shouldn't use bold, that is just the worst argument I've seen ever
"Serious or trolling or mafia? Serious - > Argument about gut feeling does not count because you did not mention it in the first place until you got questioned. Just one reason included because we vote with a reason.
give up, im mad because D1. Making up BS reason and wrong logic to get you lynched. You voted me and I caved. "
What else was there to read?
I bolded that part because you contradicted yourself.
I said you keep going back because you do. You keep mentioning gut feeling after every god damn time I questioned you more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. and more.
And if you're talking about not answering question, then please why did not ignore quote 2. Explain why those quotes were misquoted. Unless you can't.
@Mod
Deadline and votecount, pls
Prod: Tsukasa/Tanz/Rantai ._.
Requesting that the day is extended if there's less than 24h left
RB, why aren't you voting then?
Afraid that I might flip scum and you'd be lynched next?
You two keep fighting and fighting but nothing happens. This is basically why I still think that's fake.
Deadline and votecount, pls
Prod: Tsukasa/Tanz/Rantai ._.
Requesting that the day is extended if there's less than 24h left
RB, why aren't you voting then?
Afraid that I might flip scum and you'd be lynched next?
You two keep fighting and fighting but nothing happens. This is basically why I still think that's fake.
Raging Bull wrote:
So Tsukasa is either mystery role or VT (since more than likely bulletproof or deathproof is one shot).
@Q, did it specifically say that you visited Tsukasa? Or did you just get a "You are secret role now" from Kanye? If that's true, there is also a possibility of a roleblocker in this game.
Don't know about you guys, but
Vote:pieguy
what?
all my posts are explaining why your logic sucks, it just sounds the same thing repeatedly cause you're saying the same thing repeatedlyRaging Bull wrote:
How is it not compared to yours when it's the exact god damn thing that you said? FLIP FLOP.
...SERIOUSLYRaging Bull wrote:
What else was there to read?
I bolded that part because you contradicted yourself.
except I haven't even mentioned gut feelingTHIS
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasonsDOES NOT MEAN THE SAME THING AS THIS
WTF AAAAAAAARGH
nope, I've said this many times and you've not refuted it at all, cause it's just incorrectRaging Bull wrote:
I said you keep going back because you do. You keep mentioning gut feeling after every god damn time I questioned you more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. and more.
sorry I forgotRaging Bull wrote:
And if you're talking about not answering question, then please why did not ignore quote 2. Explain why those quotes were misquoted. Unless you can't.
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.just completely ignored the part where I mentioned how it was relevant trying to get people to not notice it
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.I was asking why we can't scumhunt on D2 the same way we do on D1 with no information. this still includes scumhunting D1. you make it seem like it doesn't
He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.made it seem like my vote was an actual attempt to lynch someone instead of a vote to get him to explain his reasons, also made it seem like it's the same thing you're doing to try to get people to lynch me and not you
RB, why aren't you voting then?this post really makes no sense, he is already voting, and he's not even voting you..
Afraid that I might flip scum and you'd be lynched next?
EBWOP
name is necessary this time cause I have quotes from RBBRBP wrote:
RB, why aren't you voting then?
Afraid that I might flip scum and you'd be lynched next?