Raging Bull wrote:

It is exactly what I said before

1) Being hypocritical and saying I hop around when you did too where did I hop around see #2 plz
2) Voting for Calingo and then unvoting based on his experience in a forum. that vote was just to get him to explain his reasoning plz read my post
3) Still have not answered my question are you serious? the idea was that we can still use principles from D1 even if it's D2. anyway I think now NL is a bad idea so who cares
4) Admitted basically his vote on me was gut feeling only. so what, also there was another reason, read my post plz
5) Let's just assume Calingo is new. There is no proof that a new person cannot have a scum read too. did you even read my post
6) Admitting #2 so?
7 Admitting #3 so?

pieguy1372 wrote:

elaborate what you have on me plz unless it's just what you said before

Now what do you have on ME?

Tanzklaue wrote:

if I read this correctly, you even outright said that the "above reasons" which aren't gut feeling weren't the main point of your vote.

pieguy1372 wrote:

and most of the time, the reason behind someone trying to defend himself so much against

Raging Bull wrote:

Vote RB - > Calingo - > RB = not hopping around? scum logic.
Yet a simple question would suffice, but apparently voting someone who is nowhere near lynch at all = pressure. I will never ever understand that because it makes no sense.

So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.

Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.

So now first it was a flip flop + gut feeling, then it was a gut feeling, now it's my behavior. okay.

Raging Bull wrote:

(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)

What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.

Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.

Tanz is even more weird than earlier in this game

Tanzklaue wrote:

Tsukasa wrote:

You know...

We'd rather have a super informative mislynch than a no-dice No-lynch

yep, the super-informative "hey we killed a town cop \o\" or the very cool "we got a vig today guyz!"...

I'm indifferent to both propositions at this point, my point about mystery vssecret role still stands, caligno's point about quara makes sense, farTOWNik is still town in my eyes, rantai aand caligno leans town, tsukasa leans scum, the rest is kind of null.

quara: I completly agree with everything caligno said, it really is scummy to push NL with things like "what if jester?".

tsukasa: heavily focusing on me out of a random vote, not addressing the right posts even at times, then all of a sudden going full attack mode on rantai, who brought up several good points, just rubs me in all the wrong spots. from your line of argumentation though, you seem to be aligned with caligno. either you are a obv scum or a much worse town than he is.

so yea, quaraxanyone and tsukasaxanyone are my both leads at this point, though I don't really think that both of them are scum. keep in mind that scum has daychat, so they can organise themselves pretty well. if something looks like it is out of character for one person, or if two people just agree (or disgree) too conveniently, then that might lead us to scum aswell.

Tanzklaue wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

That will happen whether we lynch or not. I don't see why no lynching gives us more information from night actions than not.

2/3/4/whatever PRs can do more stuff than 1/2/3/whatever-1 PRs can do.

on the other hand, a myslynch only gives us the bitter taste of "look what awesomeness we could've had in this night :/".

Tanzklaue wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

I'm really not liking all the sheeping of my Quaraezha points, yet no one acting on them. This looks like scum positioning.

reason for that is that we are atm discussing if we no lynch or if we lynch someone.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)

when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?

What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.

yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plz

Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.

hey at least it works sometimes

CalignoBot wrote:

The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.

Rantai wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.

Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.

On another note; any reason you're not suspecting/mentioning me for having a similar stance?

pieguy1372 wrote:

except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions

pieguy1372 wrote:

wait what the hell am I even saying, I already set it up obv, I'm mostly just too tired to do anything right now cause it's 2:21 PM and I've been up since 8:30 PM yesterday

anyway, cut to the chase
after thinking about it NL might not be such a good idea cause there might not even be a vig/PGO or they both might kill someone. also seems it would delay information, it'd be better to get the game moving just so new stuff can happen
okay I swear I saw a post by RB saying that he was for NL and then I saw a post saying that he didn't think NL was a good idea. also seems RB isn't posting quite as much as the others. also Qua was all for NL then said something like "scumhunting should be enough for us to lynch mafia" which I'm not even sure how that could work together..
Tsukasa seems to be actually doing stuff so he's town for me. Caligno seems to be doing stuff too, I think Rantai is town for reasons, and imo fartownik is leaning town for me due to gut feeling. also it's reasonable to think that Tanz just screwed up or wasn't paying attention or was tired etc.
we've spent all this time just arguing over NL or not NL, we need to do something
vote: RB see above for the idea, also it's my gut feeling. if anyone sees something wrong with my analysis let me know plz cause I probably messed something up

Tsukasa wrote:

I don't want to disclose what happened since it's pretty much like claiming and I never want that.

Though Qua is actually telling the truth

Tsukasa wrote:

Or I could follow RB on pieguy because he's being lurky and he only posts to defend himself

fartownik wrote:

My take on what happened here:

If the claims are true, we had 3 Mystery Roles: Caligno (Cop), Tanz (Something), Quarezha (Something).

pieguy1372 wrote:

that's assuming Tanz is a doctor and he protected Tsukasa, so we'd get Qua (now a secret role), Tanz, and Caligno who died
for me this means Tanz and Qua are probably both town, it's not in mafia's favor to claim what their target was, unless one of them is outright lying

Rantai wrote:

About Fart, those last minute vote/unvotes was basically unnecessary, makes me wonder why he did those.

Rantai wrote:

Except. RB was in no danger of being lynched at the time (3 for NL). Actually for that matter, no matter what you voted, it would have made no difference to the outcome.

Rantai wrote:

I guess the only thing for him is that having 2 mystery roles seems like a fairly low number but then again we have secret roles so maybe it makes sense?.