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pieguyn
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pieguyn

Raging Bull wrote:

(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)
when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?

What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.
yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plz

Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.
hey at least it works sometimes :P
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
Tanz is even more weird than earlier in this game
*
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
there are 13 hours left, the first count was right.
Amianki
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Amianki
Okay, here's my case on Tanzklaue. Just so I don't forget...

Unvote: Quaraezha
Vote: Tanzklaue

Tanzklaue wrote:

Tsukasa wrote:

You know...

We'd rather have a super informative mislynch than a no-dice No-lynch
yep, the super-informative "hey we killed a town cop \o\" or the very cool "we got a vig today guyz!"...

I'm indifferent to both propositions at this point, my point about mystery vssecret role still stands, caligno's point about quara makes sense, farTOWNik is still town in my eyes, rantai aand caligno leans town, tsukasa leans scum, the rest is kind of null.

quara: I completly agree with everything caligno said, it really is scummy to push NL with things like "what if jester?".

tsukasa: heavily focusing on me out of a random vote, not addressing the right posts even at times, then all of a sudden going full attack mode on rantai, who brought up several good points, just rubs me in all the wrong spots. from your line of argumentation though, you seem to be aligned with caligno. either you are a obv scum or a much worse town than he is.

so yea, quaraxanyone and tsukasaxanyone are my both leads at this point, though I don't really think that both of them are scum. keep in mind that scum has daychat, so they can organise themselves pretty well. if something looks like it is out of character for one person, or if two people just agree (or disgree) too conveniently, then that might lead us to scum aswell.

Tanzklaue wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

That will happen whether we lynch or not. I don't see why no lynching gives us more information from night actions than not.
2/3/4/whatever PRs can do more stuff than 1/2/3/whatever-1 PRs can do.

on the other hand, a myslynch only gives us the bitter taste of "look what awesomeness we could've had in this night :/".

Tanzklaue wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

I'm really not liking all the sheeping of my Quaraezha points, yet no one acting on them. This looks like scum positioning.
reason for that is that we are atm discussing if we no lynch or if we lynch someone.
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.

The third quote I've technically already responded to. He didn't try to move the game along until specifically told to; he was perfectly content with keeping the conversation about the Lynch vs No Lynch deal.

---

Quaraezha follows that second point much more clearly. He's done pretty much nothing this game but argue for no lynching. He's not trying to find scum at all, instead saying that mislynching won't give us any information at all. It sounds like an excuse not to scumhunt to me.
Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Amianki
Quaraezha also contradicted himself. He says mislynches won't help at all, but says that reports + scumhunting will be enough to catch the mafia. These two don't go well together.

(flips at all help with scumhunting)
Kanye West
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Topic Starter
Kanye West
VOTE COUNT:

Raging Bull: pieguy1372, fartownik
Tanzklaue: Tsukasa, CalignoBot
No Lynch: Quaraezha, Rantai
Quaraezha: BRBP
pieguy1372: Raging Bull

Let me know if there's any mistakes.

13 hours until voting deadline.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

pieguy1372 wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)
when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?

What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.
yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plz

Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.
hey at least it works sometimes :P

I thought it's funny how you unvoted NL without a reason until the next post. If it was RVS, okay then, but what? Usually you provide a reason for voting and unvoting.



Also if I am inevitably lynched, please everyone go lynch pieguy. I don't care what you think of my role now, but when I flip town, please lynch him.
Rantai
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Rantai

CalignoBot wrote:

The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.

On another note; any reason you're not suspecting/mentioning me for having a similar stance?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Wow RB... Like... this is the first time I've seen you this firm...

RB TOWN!!!
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
And guys it's either Tanz or NL, probably.

Rather have tanz tbh. Make up your minds bros
pieguyn
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pieguyn
now that I think about it, Tanz was glad he was town in the other game cause he feared if he was mafia he'd make a bunch of obvious mistakes
that may line up with what he's doing now. but he may just be tired or made an honest mistake > <
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
That or He's actually mafia
Amianki
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Amianki

Rantai wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.

On another note; any reason you're not suspecting/mentioning me for having a similar stance?
No matter who we end up lynching, we get information from the flip.

If we no lynch, we gain close to no information from flips. It's a lot easier to link associative tells or logically trap scum when there's more of this type of information out there.

It's not the stance that's scummy. It's the intent behind the stance. Yours isn't pinging my scumdar at all while Tanz' and Quar's is.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Ok so I forgot to add that we have an additional flip-info from a lynch to the "List of why we should lynch instead"

I've seen Qua NL countless of times D1. So it may be meta that I'm not pushing him. Though, as caligno said, the intent of it all is scummy and/or anti-town.

Tanz has been scummy every since. 'Nuff said.

So the option of NL should go out.

Vote tanz for president
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Sorry Tsukasa, my vote stays on pieguy :(
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
RB, pieguy can wait. I probably think no one will vote him today.

It's either tanz or NL.

But if it makes you feel better then I'll help you tomorrow with pieguy. But it's near deadline. We need more tanz votes
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
No I'm fine. I want to flip as town so everyone can see that pieguy is just voting me for a really weak excuse.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
That being said, I don't think fart is scum however. I don't think he's *that* stupid to vote for me and then disappear as mafia. My other suspect would be BRBP. Not sure if he's defending pieguy by saying our fight is fake. That and inactivity.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
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Raging Bull
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who has a life outside the internet?

What do you mean it took unusually long? And I've said all there is, pieguy using a weak excuse to try to get me lynched.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
you just don't want me breaking your winning streak as mafia cause the last two times you were mafia you survived till the end and won :)
Raging Bull
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No that's not it (although I have to say I don't know why I'm never lynched as mafia), I'm saying you are mafia because of how you have a weak excuse for lynching me. But once I flip town, my job is done.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
it's only weak cause you're the target :P
even so, let's suppose it was. it's at least better than focusing on the same stuff over and over and it keeps the game flowing so we can get more info
if you do end up being town btw, my best bet is fartownik cause he voted you right after I did. find it weird he didn't mention this "gut feeling" anywhere till I voted you > <
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
No fart is town, I know he's not stupid enough to vote for someone without a solid reasoning AND afk.

It's all you. Don't scum paint anyone else.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
it's not scumpainting it's sharing reasoning get it right plz
oh wait you don't want me to share reasoning cause you're mafia :3
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
atm, RB would get lynched, do i see this right?

I don't think he is scum, though. deadline is in 1,5 hours. if there isn't any consensus in one hour, I am going to vote no lynch. I don't want useful town dead.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
It's scum painting. You're trying to make him look mafia because of his vote on me for agreeing with you. If you're going to vote for him because he voted for me because of gut feeling, why don't you do us all a favor and vote yourself first?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
And if you're curious, I tried breaking your entire arguement on voting for me, and all you can ever default to is gut feeling. Have some actual solid evidence.

and also hi LS
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
is that directed at me?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
@pieguy
pieguyn
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pieguyn
read my post it's not cause of that, it's cause he didn't even mention this anywhere till I did. it's the idea of following other people which is what mafia do a lot
also you didn't refute anything cause your reasoning wasn't correct
Raging Bull
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I did, I think you have tunnel vision because like I keep stating, all you can ever do is keep going back into your gut feeling argument. Every time I keep questioning you more and more, you seem to be going deeper and deeper into your safe hole of "its gut feeling vote the entire time"
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
because its a safe defense for you
pieguyn
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pieguyn
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
well then

Unvote
Vote: No Lynch
fartownik
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fartownik
Sorry guys I overslept :< I hope it's not the deadline yet.

I really wouldn't feel confident about myself in later days if RB flipped Town today. I didn't have more reasons than 'gut feeling' for voting him, as he said by himself, and the fight between him and pieguy (going over and over) is just leaning RB more to Town. Also pieguy, I already explained why I voted RB after you. I didn't even care what would you think about it, why bringing this up so badly?

Unvote

I will post in a moment who I lynch, I just want to Unvote because don't want RB lynched anymore.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull

pieguy1372 wrote:

except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions

What?What?What?



pieguy1372 wrote:

wait what the hell am I even saying, I already set it up obv, I'm mostly just too tired to do anything right now cause it's 2:21 PM and I've been up since 8:30 PM yesterday

anyway, cut to the chase
after thinking about it NL might not be such a good idea cause there might not even be a vig/PGO or they both might kill someone. also seems it would delay information, it'd be better to get the game moving just so new stuff can happen
okay I swear I saw a post by RB saying that he was for NL and then I saw a post saying that he didn't think NL was a good idea. also seems RB isn't posting quite as much as the others. also Qua was all for NL then said something like "scumhunting should be enough for us to lynch mafia" which I'm not even sure how that could work together..
Tsukasa seems to be actually doing stuff so he's town for me. Caligno seems to be doing stuff too, I think Rantai is town for reasons, and imo fartownik is leaning town for me due to gut feeling. also it's reasonable to think that Tanz just screwed up or wasn't paying attention or was tired etc.
we've spent all this time just arguing over NL or not NL, we need to do something
vote: RB see above for the idea, also it's my gut feeling. if anyone sees something wrong with my analysis let me know plz cause I probably messed something up

What?
fartownik
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fartownik
EBWOP: I really wouldn't like lynching Tanz right now. You guys are voting him mostly because of the slip he made in the beginning. I know he started AtEing pretty soon, but that just leans even more for Town. As scum he wouldn't bring this much attention so quickly, he'd try to direct the suspicions at someone else. He wasn't close to the hammer, neither it was close to the deadline.

The only left possibility is No Lynch. Even if it's not the optimal end, I don't want to lynch someone that just seems Town for me.

Vote: No Lynch
Kanye West
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Topic Starter
Kanye West
VOTE COUNT:

No Lynch: Quaraezha, Rantai, Tanzklaue, fartownik
Tanzklaue: Tsukasa, CalignoBot
Raging Bull: pieguy1372
Quaraezha: BRBP
pieguy1372: Raging Bull

After a long, heated discussion, the remaining survivors of the terrible disaster decided against any more bloodshed for the day. They begin constructing makeshift shelters for the night.

It is now Night 1. Please submit all actions. Deadline is in 24 hours.
pieguyn
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..
RB I can't tell if you're serious or trolling
or just mafia
if you're serious, you were referring to me just "going back" to gut feeling. that doesn't count cause at that point you hadn't questioned me using gut feeling. that was just one of the reasons I included with my vote, cause afaik we're supposed to include reasons with votes.
srsly, just give it up already. probably you're mad cause I called you out D1 and you're making up insane reasons and wrong logic to try to get me lynched instead. I voted you and you just completely caved. but it doesn't matter cause we're NL'ing anyway
if something happens N1 that puts you as town, I'll think about it differently
pieguyn
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pieguyn
...fk ninja'd by Kayne..
sorry > < hopefully I don't get a penalty for this..
Kanye West
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Kanye West
You wake up to find a body covered in blood, with what seems to be several stab wounds. Upon closer inspection, it seems to be CalignoBot. In his outstretched hand is a police officer's badge.

CalignoBot was killed. CalignoBot was a Cop (town).

It is now Day 2. Voting deadline is in 96 hours. It takes 5 votes to hammer.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Jesus Fucking Christ do I have something to report.

I am a Mystery Role (Town) and I visited Tsukasa last night.
And my role was changed!
I am now a Secret Role (Town)

I have no way to prove it but Tsukasa is clear to me now.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I am not entirely sure if we swapped or if I'm just copying Tsukasa's role.
So I'll have to wait until Tsukasa has something to say about this.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I tareted tsukasa aswell, and nothing happened to me.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
targeted*
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh wow of all the roles.

Btw Q, I'm going to say you were probably a 1 shot role. Still going to wait until everyone has chimed in first. (nothing happened to me)

SPOILER
Before anyone starts flipping off about how we lost an informative role after the no-lynch, bear in mind that he was probably going to be shot anyway last night.
fartownik
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fartownik
My take on what happened here:

If the claims are true, we had 3 Mystery Roles: Caligno (Cop), Tanz (Something), Quarezha (Something).

Quarezha losing his ability tells me it was a 1-shot role, and it somehow didn't work on Tsukasa. Might've been even a 1-shot Vigilante and Tsukasa got protected by Tanzklaue and he's a Doc, or Tsukasa is a killproof.

If above is true then Mafia's Nightkill was successful and that's what killed Caligno, unless Tsukasa is a Self-Bus Driver and he switched with Caligno and he died from Quarezha's Vig-shot (mafia's nightkill would be blocked by someone then).
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
So Tsukasa is either mystery role or VT (since more than likely bulletproof or deathproof is one shot).

@Q, did it specifically say that you visited Tsukasa? Or did you just get a "You are secret role now" from Kanye? If that's true, there is also a possibility of a roleblocker in this game.

Don't know about you guys, but

Vote:pieguy
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Nope. Nothing about actually visitting Tsukasa, so I might have been driven to someone else.
It didn't also specify that I took his role, so I guess I really was a 1-shot vig.

A cop, a vig and a doc sounds about right to me
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Not red gg
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
my smartphone is so small ;w;
Ill go fix it when I get to a computer
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
I don't want to disclose what happened since it's pretty much like claiming and I never want that.

Though Qua is actually telling the truth
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
And I'm pretty sure nothing happened to tanz though
fartownik
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fartownik

Tsukasa wrote:

I don't want to disclose what happened since it's pretty much like claiming and I never want that.

Though Qua is actually telling the truth
Does this mean Tanz is not telling the truth? How do you know Quarezha is being honest?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
nothing happened to me or to tsukasa, I think.

since tsukasa still seemed to activate his ability of sorts, my best guess is that I am a doc.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
I activated nothing.

It probably activated itself.

So by far... you are only 5% Doc maybe
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
so you got a message by kanye saying that something with you and quara happened?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
It's something that support Qua's claim.

And I know what you are thinking. "OMG TSUKASA JUST SPILL THE BEANS ALREADY!!!"

No. I don't like claiming. Figure it out yourself if you're good enough.

---------------------

All of this aside, I still suspect you even if you claim.
Or I could always go after a lurksack like BRBP
Or I could follow RB on pieguy because he's being lurky and he only posts to defend himself
pieguyn
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pieguyn

Tsukasa wrote:

Or I could follow RB on pieguy because he's being lurky and he only posts to defend himself
I've posted my reads and started the whole thing with RB :P

I wouldn't be surprised if Kanye pulled a LS and put a role that swaps two people's roles. anyway
either Tsukasa is 1-shot, in which case vigilante seems most likely imo. but 1-shot vigilante (or 1-shot anything for that matter) seems a bit eh in a setup like this, cause by the time you know what your role is it's too late already. Tsukasa seemed to know Qua targeted him though so I bet he's 1-shot bulletproof or smth
in that case, Tanz could also be a vigilante. in that case it'd make more sense cause 1-shot vigilante seems a bit ridiculous. Tsukasa may have been something like a seraph knight or something who gives some ability to someone for the whole game.
or his role got outright changed, but this isn't mind game mafia so even that would be kind of insane
VoidnOwO
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Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
I'm pretty sure qua is town now. 90% confirmed.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Did Tsukasa ever say he was a Mystery Role?

His suspicion on Tankz and trust on me tells me that Tsukasa is actually bulletproof and his vest was hit by me, and was not protect by Tankz, the "Doctor".
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
nvm my question. Caligno was the other Mystery role.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Just curious, but where did everyone get the idea that there are 3 mystery roles?
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha

fartownik wrote:

My take on what happened here:

If the claims are true, we had 3 Mystery Roles: Caligno (Cop), Tanz (Something), Quarezha (Something).
Is what made me think we have 3 mystery roles.
It seems reasonable enough if there are 2 mafias:
1 secret mafia + 1 mystery mafia + 4 secret townie + 3 mystery townie

Around 3-4 mystery townies should be the case.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
that's assuming Tanz is a doctor and he protected Tsukasa, so we'd get Qua (now a secret role), Tanz, and Caligno who died
for me this means Tanz and Qua are probably both town, it's not in mafia's favor to claim what their target was, unless one of them is outright lying
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha

pieguy1372 wrote:

that's assuming Tanz is a doctor and he protected Tsukasa, so we'd get Qua (now a secret role), Tanz, and Caligno who died
for me this means Tanz and Qua are probably both town, it's not in mafia's favor to claim what their target was, unless one of them is outright lying
However, Tsukasa is saying that he was not protected by Tanz. But would rather not claim yet. He also says he can clear me 90%.
It's either just a misunderstanding and both of them are town, or one of them is lying.

Or some other messed up shit involving driving and/or roleswapping. Which I hope not.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
tsukasa just said he "didn't activate anything". either way, Tanz targeted Tsukasa so that means he's a mystery role, even if he's not Doctor
given the situation, a driver/etc. shouldn't have been involved with those 3. (plus driver is impossible since each role only targets 1 person)
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Oh yeah. driving is out of the question then.

Tanzklue did claim that he was Mystery Role since D1
I don't know about you guys but I think he's just making shit up and he's just really a Secret Town or Mafia.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I really hope Kanye didn't pull a LS and include a role switcher
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
The only role I know that involves stealing another person's role is a Mimic.
Where Mimic steal Person A's town role and Persona A becomes villager.
But when Mimic attempts to Mimic Mafia, Mimic becomes a villager and nothing happens to Mafia.

I'm not exactly sure how a role switcher may work in this situation
If that were the case, does that mean Tsukasa can switch with another person at night?
What happens if he targets Mafia?
That sort of shit.

Based on the few claims so far, I'm leaning more on a 1-shot vigilante who shot Tsukasa, who's apparently still alive.
fartownik
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fartownik
Frankly, it'd be easier if Tsukasa claimed at this point. I know he doesn't like it, but why we have to struggle on getting the information clear when he can claim and we can be 100% sure what happened last night?
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Definitely better than having Tsukasa die tonight before we get to hear what he has to say.
Rantai
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Rantai
Ok. I'm pretty happy with Q and Tsukasa for now.

I'm not so sure about Tanz though, his 'poor me approach' to defending himself was quite off putting and then after going through his iso, his constant flip-flopping on votes is another concern (ie neutral --> NL --> Second thoughts --> NL last minute). Combined with the fact his action seems to be unverifiable, I'm uncomfortable. I guess the only thing for him is that having 2 mystery roles seems like a fairly low number but then again we have secret roles so maybe it makes sense?

About Fart, those last minute vote/unvotes was basically unnecessary, makes me wonder why he did those.
fartownik
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fartownik

Rantai wrote:

About Fart, those last minute vote/unvotes was basically unnecessary, makes me wonder why he did those.
Because RB was about to be lynched and I thought he was not scum?

Also I overslept, that's why it was a last-minute vote.
Rantai
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Rantai
Except. RB was in no danger of being lynched at the time (3 for NL). Actually for that matter, no matter what you voted, it would have made no difference to the outcome.
fartownik
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fartownik

Rantai wrote:

Except. RB was in no danger of being lynched at the time (3 for NL). Actually for that matter, no matter what you voted, it would have made no difference to the outcome.
I didn't know the votecount at that moment, I thought it will be safer if I just unvote, why wouldn't I do that? Should I've risked him being lynched off when I was not sure?
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha

Rantai wrote:

I guess the only thing for him is that having 2 mystery roles seems like a fairly low number but then again we have secret roles so maybe it makes sense?.
Maybe one or two other more Mystery Roles are hiding and have nothing significant nor important to report so far?
Rantai
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Rantai
Always possible. I forgot to put that in there too (yet I had that cross my mind, derp).
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I know that my action isn't verifiable.

I still targeted tsukasa. I do wonder what happened between him and quara that confirms quara for him as town, but not me.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Guess we'll have to wait for Tsukasa to tell us his role and what made him confirm my action.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Why cant we just vote pieguy ? He kept contradicting himself
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Ok since we won't be going anywhere and we probably have good enough information...

I gained mystery role last night.

Since Qua said he targeted me and lost his mystery role, He's pretty much 90% conf town.
Why only 90%? Well it'd be pretty rare if a scum said it. Though the remaining 10% can say that qua is mystery scum. But it's highly unlikely

Tanz is still scummy though
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
BRB checking pieguy
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Wht about tanz targetting you?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Why would he target me if he, btw?
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
*Why would he target me,

My god...
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
because I thought you are scum. so, whatever ability I had, I would use it on you to get domething.

but turns out that I seem to have one of the few abilities that wouldn't do anything obvious for the eye.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
What did you think your ability was when doing it?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
before I aimed it at you: no idea of course.

now: I think doc, though jailkeeper could also be a possibility. I don't think that I'm a redirecting role, since you and quara interacted with each other.

but I have no real evidence myself for what i exactly did. certainly didn't explode in your face.


could I be still vigilante, and you were blletproof, and quara had a roleswitching ability? or would the roleswitch have priority over the vig shot?
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
The bulletproof should know if his vest was hit, and nothing of the sort happened to Tsukasa.

Since Tsukasa said he WAS a Secret Role who BECAMEa Mystery Role
and that I WAS a Mystery Role who BECAME a Secret Role

This kinda throws off the 1-shot vig theory, and that I really am some sort of Role Switcher?
It was clearly stated in my message that I was "Mystery Role(Town)" who turned "Secret Role(Town)"
If this was the case, that makes me and Tsukasa clear town.

Tankzlue's role is now kinda meh now, since I wasn't vig so he couldn't have protected Tsukasa from any shot.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
A jailkeeper role is just weird in this kind of setup.
The target should also know if he was jailed too.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
It's impossible for a JK.

If I was JK'd then you could not target me, probably
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
And in addition tanz is still acting scummy. So I don't care either way
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I'm okay with a pieguy lynch.
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
God I forgot to look at pieguy
Tsukasa
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Tsukasa
Though I'm not against it, btw
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