pieguy1372 wrote:
when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?Raging Bull wrote:
(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plzYour gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.hey at least it works sometimes
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.CalignoBot wrote:
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
No matter who we end up lynching, we get information from the flip.Rantai wrote:
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.CalignoBot wrote:
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
On another note; any reason you're not suspecting/mentioning me for having a similar stance?
pieguy1372 wrote:
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions
pieguy1372 wrote:
wait what the hell am I even saying, I already set it up obv, I'm mostly just too tired to do anything right now cause it's 2:21 PM and I've been up since 8:30 PM yesterday
anyway, cut to the chase
after thinking about it NL might not be such a good idea cause there might not even be a vig/PGO or they both might kill someone. also seems it would delay information, it'd be better to get the game moving just so new stuff can happen
okay I swear I saw a post by RB saying that he was for NL and then I saw a post saying that he didn't think NL was a good idea. also seems RB isn't posting quite as much as the others. also Qua was all for NL then said something like "scumhunting should be enough for us to lynch mafia" which I'm not even sure how that could work together..
Tsukasa seems to be actually doing stuff so he's town for me. Caligno seems to be doing stuff too, I think Rantai is town for reasons, and imo fartownik is leaning town for me due to gut feeling. also it's reasonable to think that Tanz just screwed up or wasn't paying attention or was tired etc.
we've spent all this time just arguing over NL or not NL, we need to do something
vote: RB see above for the idea, also it's my gut feeling. if anyone sees something wrong with my analysis let me know plz cause I probably messed something up
Does this mean Tanz is not telling the truth? How do you know Quarezha is being honest?Tsukasa wrote:
I don't want to disclose what happened since it's pretty much like claiming and I never want that.
Though Qua is actually telling the truth
I've posted my reads and started the whole thing with RBTsukasa wrote:
Or I could follow RB on pieguy because he's being lurky and he only posts to defend himself
Is what made me think we have 3 mystery roles.fartownik wrote:
My take on what happened here:
If the claims are true, we had 3 Mystery Roles: Caligno (Cop), Tanz (Something), Quarezha (Something).
However, Tsukasa is saying that he was not protected by Tanz. But would rather not claim yet. He also says he can clear me 90%.pieguy1372 wrote:
that's assuming Tanz is a doctor and he protected Tsukasa, so we'd get Qua (now a secret role), Tanz, and Caligno who died
for me this means Tanz and Qua are probably both town, it's not in mafia's favor to claim what their target was, unless one of them is outright lying
Because RB was about to be lynched and I thought he was not scum?Rantai wrote:
About Fart, those last minute vote/unvotes was basically unnecessary, makes me wonder why he did those.
I didn't know the votecount at that moment, I thought it will be safer if I just unvote, why wouldn't I do that? Should I've risked him being lynched off when I was not sure?Rantai wrote:
Except. RB was in no danger of being lynched at the time (3 for NL). Actually for that matter, no matter what you voted, it would have made no difference to the outcome.
Maybe one or two other more Mystery Roles are hiding and have nothing significant nor important to report so far?Rantai wrote:
I guess the only thing for him is that having 2 mystery roles seems like a fairly low number but then again we have secret roles so maybe it makes sense?.
okay no. you have done nothing but come up with bullshit reasoning to get me lynched. you also haven't even given any logical response to anything I've countered, alsoRaging Bull wrote:
Why cant we just vote pieguy ? He kept contradicting himself
I'm doing a lot less hopping around than you did pieguy, your vote on me was based on me rather no lynching or lynch. As you can see, I didn't even vote for any of them. I never made some finalized voting yet because I'm still for lynching someone.nope it's cause you just magically agree with everything that comes up. when people wanted to NL, you wanted to NL. when people wanted to lynch, you suddenly wanted to lynch. easiest way for mafia to be undetected is to just follow what everyone else does
I really don't care if you guys think this is OMGUS. pieguy is just reading scum to me. He's using my "no lynch -> lynch" flip flop as an excuse when he actually did it himself "RB - > Calingo -> RB" flip flop vote.that vote was just temporary till I got an answer from caligno. no point in not voting him for then when there's a possibility what he said is outright impossible
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.makes it seem like I'm doing something illogical when I'm not
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.misquotes my statement implying I said we should just wait around for a whole day when I never said that
Yet a simple question would suffice, but apparently voting someone who is nowhere near lynch at all = pressure. I will never ever understand that because it makes no sense.voting someone = more pressure than not voting someone, again tries to make it seem like I'm doing something illogical when I'm not
I thought it's funny how you unvoted NL without a reason until the next post. If it was RVS, okay then, but what? Usually you provide a reason for voting and unvoting.cause I realized NL was a bad idea, I unvoted NL in advance and posted my reasoning with my next post, since it was a vote/unvote I wanted to put it there first
It's all you. Don't scum paint anyone else.posted this in response to me offering valid reasoning
And if you're curious, I tried breaking your entire arguement on voting for me, and all you can ever default to is gut feeling. Have some actual solid evidence.I mentioned everything above previously and he just says I "default to gut feeling"
What?okay so here I ask him where I mentioned gut feeling after he started accusing me with BS reasons, and he srsly quoted my original vote and that was it. afaik we're supposed to post reasoning with votes
I don't care what you think of my role now, but when I flip town, please lynch him.
I want to flip as town so everyone can see that pieguy is just voting me for a really weak excuse.
But once I flip town, my job is done.people who say this are 99.99% mafia
that was a joke cause Qua blatantly followed RB's BS reasonsBRBP wrote:
inb4 Qua + RB scumteam