and my point is that his secret tell isn't worth a damn thing if he doesn't say what it is. might just as well be made uppieguy1372 wrote:
Tanz the whole point of a secret tell is that once people know what it is they don't do it anymore making it useless
You might seem it as 'out of nowhere', but I had him in mind for some time already. It was just a random reply as you mentioned him, I would do that tomorrow anyways. I was just glad someone else had the same gut feeling as me.pieguy1372 wrote:
fartownik: I noticed it in a few points (too lazy and tired to go pointing out each one) and then you immediately came up with RB out of nowhere right after I did..
but I'm not mafia.pieguy1372 wrote:
Tanz: probably it's some trick that only mafia can do
What I read is:Tanzklaue wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
I know you will give me even more scumcred for that, but I honestly don't see anyone else who is lynchworthy at this point.
Mod: votecount and remaining time, please.
That's 3 strikes.Tanzklaue wrote:
OMG I agree with Caligno against Qua.
Nah I'll Follow Qua's NL"
And What I read isTanzklaue wrote:
Tsukasa is scum.
Vote: Tsuk-- Let's make that No LynchTanzklaue wrote:
Look at me I'm AtE'ing. I ish town
fartownik is missing an 'r'Kanye West wrote:
VOTE COUNTQuaraezha: BRBP, CalignoBot
Raging Bull: pieguy1372, fatownik
No Lynch: Quaraezha
Rantai: Tsukasa
Let me know if there's any mistakes.
I'm sorry for the inconsistencies, I just really messed up and my tries to fix that mess made it even worse.Quaraezha wrote:
Also, I'm still sticking with NL.
I see you guys bandwaggoning RB all of a sudden and I don't really understand all these "secret tells" you guys talk about. RB seemed to defend himself well too. Tsukasa also has a point about Tankz' inconsistency as well. Make up your mind.
Despite my FOS on Tankz, I still want to give everybody a chance to try out their abilities.
Tankzlue did claim that he was a Mystery Role.
Now what do you have on ME?pieguy1372 wrote:
elaborate what you have on me plz unless it's just what you said before
currently, making up a lot of BS reasons to get me lynched. and most of the time, the reason behind someone trying to defend himself so much against something like this is the original person being right. there is no way to defend against gut feeling, it's like trying to defend against an RV (which I did once as mafia btw)Raging Bull wrote:
It is exactly what I said before
1) Being hypocritical and saying I hop around when you did too where did I hop around see #2 plz
2) Voting for Calingo and then unvoting based on his experience in a forum. that vote was just to get him to explain his reasoning plz read my post
3) Still have not answered my question are you serious? the idea was that we can still use principles from D1 even if it's D2. anyway I think now NL is a bad idea so who cares
4) Admitted basically his vote on me was gut feeling only. so what, also there was another reason, read my post plz
5) Let's just assume Calingo is new. There is no proof that a new person cannot have a scum read too. did you even read my post
6) Admitting #2 so?
7 Admitting #3 so?Now what do you have on ME?pieguy1372 wrote:
elaborate what you have on me plz unless it's just what you said before
they were part of it but not the most major component, also gut feeling always plays a major part in my votes D1. last time, I didn't replace in until like D2 or so iirc and I haven't played any games here besides that in ages, also gut feeling was still a major part of my vote in D2, similar to todayTanzklaue wrote:
if I read this correctly, you even outright said that the "above reasons" which aren't gut feeling weren't the main point of your vote.
Most of the time is not all of the time. I'm willing to get myself lynched on D2 then.pieguy1372 wrote:
and most of the time, the reason behind someone trying to defend himself so much against
so you're lynching me because I'm trying to get information? okRaging Bull wrote:
Vote RB - > Calingo - > RB = not hopping around? scum logic.
Yet a simple question would suffice, but apparently voting someone who is nowhere near lynch at all = pressure. I will never ever understand that because it makes no sense.
So I can say it backwards, why not use principles earlier than later? I don't think it benefits town to uphold information.using them for two days instead of one is "later"? using your own terminology, that's "scum logic"
Read my post. How he got his read on Tanz is irrelevant.Questioning him was just trying to get towncred to me.except it is because it would make no sense in certain cases (if it was based off something explicitly Tanz did because that'd be impossible)
So now first it was a flip flop + gut feeling, then it was a gut feeling, now it's my behavior. okay.no, it was always flip flop + gut feeling, till you started acting weird, and then that got added in there
when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?Raging Bull wrote:
(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)
What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plz
Your gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.hey at least it works sometimes
Tanz is even more weird than earlier in this game*
Tanzklaue wrote:
yep, the super-informative "hey we killed a town cop \o\" or the very cool "we got a vig today guyz!"...Tsukasa wrote:
You know...
We'd rather have a super informative mislynch than a no-dice No-lynch
I'm indifferent to both propositions at this point, my point about mystery vssecret role still stands, caligno's point about quara makes sense, farTOWNik is still town in my eyes, rantai aand caligno leans town, tsukasa leans scum, the rest is kind of null.
quara: I completly agree with everything caligno said, it really is scummy to push NL with things like "what if jester?".
tsukasa: heavily focusing on me out of a random vote, not addressing the right posts even at times, then all of a sudden going full attack mode on rantai, who brought up several good points, just rubs me in all the wrong spots. from your line of argumentation though, you seem to be aligned with caligno. either you are a obv scum or a much worse town than he is.
so yea, quaraxanyone and tsukasaxanyone are my both leads at this point, though I don't really think that both of them are scum. keep in mind that scum has daychat, so they can organise themselves pretty well. if something looks like it is out of character for one person, or if two people just agree (or disgree) too conveniently, then that might lead us to scum aswell.
Tanzklaue wrote:
2/3/4/whatever PRs can do more stuff than 1/2/3/whatever-1 PRs can do.CalignoBot wrote:
That will happen whether we lynch or not. I don't see why no lynching gives us more information from night actions than not.
on the other hand, a myslynch only gives us the bitter taste of "look what awesomeness we could've had in this night :/".
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.Tanzklaue wrote:
reason for that is that we are atm discussing if we no lynch or if we lynch someone.CalignoBot wrote:
I'm really not liking all the sheeping of my Quaraezha points, yet no one acting on them. This looks like scum positioning.
pieguy1372 wrote:
when Caligno said Tanz was "pinging some secret mafia vibes" or etc. I figured that meant meta or something that was specific to Tanz. better to ask and make sure, right?Raging Bull wrote:
(Calingo doesn't have to guess who is scum because someone looks scum to him)What I'm trying to say is that why not use D1 scumhunting principles on D1 and then whatever happens on D2, D1 informatino can be carried over.yeah that's exactly why I eventually decided NL was a bad idea read the thread plzYour gut feeling seems to be a defense from you as a backup in case someone challenges your reason on why you vote.hey at least it works sometimes
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.CalignoBot wrote:
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
No matter who we end up lynching, we get information from the flip.Rantai wrote:
Perhaps I've become way too jaded over the last few years, but going ahead with the lynch simply gambles on the reliability of d1 reads, something I have low confidence with. Though with both situations there is the possibility of getting lucky and nailing a scum but I'd say it's more likely on the NL path for this day.CalignoBot wrote:
The bolded portions are are basically statements that we shouldn't lynch anyone because we MIGHT end up killing something powerful for us. This is fallacious and a very bad argument, as well as scummy since I've yet to see anything that indicates we would get close to any useful information from night actions. Relying on night actions in this game is absurd and we have no evidence of any kind that it will help us at all. We're literally gambling on our night actions getting information that likely won't even be very useful to us. Saying that we shouldn't lynch because we MIGHT stop that limited information we can get from night actions is very weak and not something I can see from town.
On another note; any reason you're not suspecting/mentioning me for having a similar stance?
pieguy1372 wrote:
except I haven't even mentioned gut feeling except for when you ask what my initial reasons for voting you were or ask I elaborate on the reasons. which you've mentioned like 12 times instead of asking new questions
pieguy1372 wrote:
wait what the hell am I even saying, I already set it up obv, I'm mostly just too tired to do anything right now cause it's 2:21 PM and I've been up since 8:30 PM yesterday
anyway, cut to the chase
after thinking about it NL might not be such a good idea cause there might not even be a vig/PGO or they both might kill someone. also seems it would delay information, it'd be better to get the game moving just so new stuff can happen
okay I swear I saw a post by RB saying that he was for NL and then I saw a post saying that he didn't think NL was a good idea. also seems RB isn't posting quite as much as the others. also Qua was all for NL then said something like "scumhunting should be enough for us to lynch mafia" which I'm not even sure how that could work together..
Tsukasa seems to be actually doing stuff so he's town for me. Caligno seems to be doing stuff too, I think Rantai is town for reasons, and imo fartownik is leaning town for me due to gut feeling. also it's reasonable to think that Tanz just screwed up or wasn't paying attention or was tired etc.
we've spent all this time just arguing over NL or not NL, we need to do something
vote: RB see above for the idea, also it's my gut feeling. if anyone sees something wrong with my analysis let me know plz cause I probably messed something up