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Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming

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Cursor movement or Streaming?

Movement
366
70.11%
Streaming
156
29.89%
Total votes: 522
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Kanye West

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi
kriers
I'd play tablet too if I didn’t have this much muscle memory and my hand didn't feel like dying from a few hours of tablet usage.

also puraido.
Ohrami

Kanye West wrote:

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi
The only reason why some people think mouse is worse is because they suck and don't know how to get their setting properly configured. Tablet is easier to just "jump into", whereas mouse requires more knowledge.
LoGo

Kanye West wrote:

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi
That absolute tracking also fucks up everything when you need small movement or hard patterns(its hard to explain but you end up pressing in wrong places or smth). And what you mean by whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory to move pen you also need muscles besides if you are hovering then you need even higher precision because you can't feel anything in the air whereas with a mouse, you move on actual surface.
        
Also from my experience even after ~5 months with tablet, 1 day was enough to fc easy hard with mouse but i always was making random miss with tablet.
kriers
lol logo trying to say tablet is hard wwwwwww
thelewa
He's just saying that a mouse is better for small movements such as in this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19691

That's a map that really is a thousand times easier for mouse players to DT fc.
Aqo
It's true tho, not only for weird line patterns and stuff
doing fullscreen 1/2 jumps on 200bpm or higher on CS5 with tablet is hard as hell because of hovering, you end up missing between the jumps. you need to practice being super steady with the hand that holds the pen

meanwhile with mouse it's easy to land exactly on the the circles as long as you moved in the right direction and you have enough speed. stuff like those diamonds on atama is a nightmare with tablet and with mouse it's like a free +combo

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
Hanyuu

LoGo wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings :?
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet? :x

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me :o :o
Streaming is easiest thing in this game, what can be hard is high bpm streams(220+) or accuracy on slow ones(but with time you kinda feel each tap so it's not that hard)
Answer me, what is so hard in pressing button which stays on place all the time???
From your words i can clearly see that you never used tablet, playing with tablet brings a lot of things which can't be fixed in short period... For example grip if you are comfortable with grip which allows you move 1x1cm big area you are pretty much screwed. One more thing, corners i think that's the "best" place for all tablet players.
Whats so hard pressing a button that stays in place well.. its pretty damn fast and you need to train your fingers so ridiculously that you can press this fast and keep this endurance for the long streams . Also i played tablet by tapping for half a year and then afterwards i switched to kb pressing. it is not hard at all and if you cant move in a 1x1cm big area (well thats a joke i think but anyways) you can adjust with resolution or gameplay area. <-- thats why i said about tablet settings in my earlier post. also those "feared" corner things squares whatever. it does not really matter. the game is just about aim and hit in time. however the pattern may look or where notes are placed it doesnt matter really. anyways my opinion still stands and the topic title is: Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming... for me definitely streaming since yeah,you can get a good movement alot easier :?
GoldenWolf
If we could get good at movements alot easier, we should see a tons of new cookiezi everywhere.
Streaming is definitively easier.
winber1

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol
Tanzklaue
inb4 peppy now sells osu!-mice instead of tablets.
silmarilen
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4548
339 combo with mouse /pro
Kanye West

winber1 wrote:

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol
QFT lol

And if you're having a hard time with small cursor movements, use a bigger tablet area. 'nuff said. Like I said before, if you miss notes with a tablet, you objectively suck.
Distant years
i think movement is more important because with bad aim you cant get the movement in the streams right

and you can improve faster in streaming
buny
ITT: preferences
zhurai

winber1 wrote:

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol
I couldn't click on any of those beats.
and I'm a mouse user lol.
silmarilen

buny wrote:

ITT: preferences
wasnt that the whole purpose of this topic? looking at the title
buny

silmarilen wrote:

buny wrote:

ITT: preferences
wasnt that the whole purpose of this topic? looking at the title
I just wanted to remind everyone that people have different views on certain things.
CXu

silmarilen wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4548
339 combo with mouse /pro
Mesita.
Kalle_old_1

silmarilen wrote:

people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
D33d
For me, getting good at moving the mouse smoothly at all speeds is more important, as keeping up with streams tends to be much harder than being able to click alone. The amount of dexterity that's required when rapid clicking is compounded by constant movement is pretty fierce.
Yarissa
It depends on the player. It's important to be good at both, but some players are better at one and worse at the other.
Nitori
If you're looking to just pass a song, then I would say cursor movement, since you can mess up a little with timing. But with position, if you're a little off the circle, it still counts as a miss.
clmnt
fap with lefty to get good at streams.
Ziglez
i can stream ascension to heaven or say mad machine pretty decent, but when it comes to a part in a song where it's like, stream note note stream stream note, then i have trouble, so it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers :)
VoidnOwO

Azumi Shizuko wrote:

it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers :)
buny

Azumi Shizuko wrote:

i can stream ascension to heaven or say mad machine pretty decent, but when it comes to a part in a song where it's like, stream note note stream stream note, then i have trouble, so it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers :)
you can just spam through it though with perfect accuracy still lol
Zook
Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.

You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)
buny

Zook wrote:

Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.

You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)
just because you can't doesn't mean others can't also.
thelewa

buny wrote:

Zook wrote:

Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.

You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)
just because you can't doesn't mean others can't also.
Pretty much all of my scores are just mindless spamming

accuracy is a subconscious thing anyway
Zook
stop trolling thelewa (:

buny, I'd much rather stream properly than be a keyboard berserker and hope for the best.
silmarilen
only on low bpm i actually have to pay attention to get acc in streamers, between 170-190 bpm i mindlessly spam aswell
Wishy
It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.

/thread?
Yarissa

Wishy wrote:

It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.

/thread?
Movement doesn't matter if you have the streaming ability of a 2 year old.
silmarilen

Wishy wrote:

It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.

/thread?
they arent just movement gods, they also have incredible stream speed.
its just that they also have movement on top of that, which most people dont.
Yarissa

silmarilen wrote:

Wishy wrote:

It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.

/thread?
they arent just movement gods, they also have incredible stream speed.
its just that they also have movement on top of that, which most people dont.
It's funny because I'm top 100 and I stream really badly. So I'll never be a "best player" unless I can fix that.
thelewa
I'll never be good unless I suddenly get speedy fingers
theowest
my cursor movement sucks atm while my tapping skills are off the charts. I gotta do something about that..
Uncle Buly
Cursor movement as you need it in almost every map, fewer maps require streaming speed. Personally I'd like to stream faster.
she_old
I get 100% on maps like l'erisia with relax mod, so surely clicking is my issue.
buny
relax mod makes the map 50x easier and autopilot makes the map 50x harder
Aqo
The only thing that takes skill is clicking. Aim takes no skill, every child can do it.
she_old

buny wrote:

relax mod makes the map 50x easier and autopilot makes the map 50x harder
obviously clicking is just super hard
buny
both take no skill when you look at them individually
Aqo
Not really
how many people can stream 222bpm for 70 notes individually. http://www.all8.com/tools/mpm.htm people try and fail. it's still hard on its own
buny
apparently most of the people that use this forum stream over 240bpm

anyways, more on topic, that's like saying how many people can follow the streams in fd?
enik
I don't want to prove anything but fd is pretty easy with relax
SPOILER

first try and im not even good at this game.
oh and I can't stream 222 bpm
Aqo

buny wrote:

apparently most of the people that use this forum stream over 240bpm
*claim to

I'm proud to claim to be able to stream up to 180bpm, and not a single beat per minute faster.
Soarezi
The thing about FD is that you have to have insane stamina to actually keep up your fingers to stream constant 222bpm, while you're getting tired your nerves are going to stop working so your right hand will also ( or left hand whichever youre using for movement ) will also slow down and you can't keep up anymore.

People that can stream that fast and for a long time, such as cookiezi or keigoclear have my respect.
JAKACHAN
Yeah Freedom Dive on relax is nothing compared to actually playing it. When your mind has to process 222 bpm deathstreams while still following insane stream patterns you end up missing more than you would with relax.
she_old
especially since those patterns are made with ar9 :l
Defacer
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GoldenWolf

Defacer wrote:

so I guess a lot of players can easily go 222 constantly.
You have too high expectations of other players.
djjsixpack

Defacer wrote:

a lot of players can easily go 222 constantly
Erm

There are less than 10 players I know of that can do 222 bpm for as long as freedom dive is while getting acceptable accuracy. Not exactly a lot imo. I will say though a lot of people could complete the streams, but only if you are actually able to keep up with the BPM from a rhythmic standpoint would you be able to complete the map. As in, if the streams were shorter and not spaced as hell you would be able to all-300 it for a while. From my perspective, I miss the streams so badly because I have to put 99% of my concentration on just keeping up with the sheer speed of it. That's why it seems like easy stuff on relax.
ztrot
yeah movement is more important once you have mastered key presses so really as key presses come 1st that is most important.
Frostmourne

buny wrote:

apparently most of the people that use this forum stream over 240bpm

anyways, more on topic, that's like saying how many people can follow the streams in fd?
agree

speed for very short periods everyone can spam, but to keep consistent high-speed on long run stream is just hell ;_;
Defacer
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GoldenWolf

Defacer wrote:

And I think that a lot of players can go 222, yeah.
A lot of players can go 222 for short bursts, yes. Even I can do that. But only a very very few players can keep up the streams in 4D.
jesse1412

GoldenWolf wrote:

Defacer wrote:

And I think that a lot of players can go 222, yeah.
A lot of players can go 222 for short bursts, yes. Even I can do that. But only a very very few players can keep up the streams in 4D.
and only about 3 or 4 can follow the streams.
enik

Defacer wrote:

KeigoClear is a perfect example of a insane speed and accuracy not to mention stamina
People like Keigo are more like "exceptions" than "examples".
Pettanko
I bet when a number of people say "I can stream 240+ bpm no problem!" they're talking about triples or some shit. I don't think that counts as streaming.

At what point should someone be able to say they can stream a certain bpm?
GoldenWolf

Pettanko wrote:

At what point should someone be able to say they can stream a certain bpm?

I'd say more than 17 circles full 300 consistently is a good start
Aqo
I don't even consider 17 circles a stream anymore :v

if you can't hit at least 200 circles in a row for a certain bpm you can't stream it.
silmarilen
then i cant stream a single bpm
gg
Defacer
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enik
Just checked top scores on chipscape out of curiosity. Found tons of halftimers, many tap+x, one cheater and less than 10 people who actually cleared that deathstream, not to mention accuracy. Imagine how many of them can follow spaced curved fd streams that last x20 longer.
Oh btw check out the Sprosive guy replay, that's how you deal with deathstream haha.
Jordan

Defacer wrote:

screw all those ''i can stream 260'', ''calculator says i go 320 woo'', they will learn(hopefully) that what they say is not true and is shit.I've encountered many people doing really good results on high bpm streams, I don't know how to explain exactly why in FD 222 isnt hard at all but the damn overall placement of the stream.Chipscape is 220 and so many people can stream the deathstream succesfully but probably can't stream fd, I am one of those for instance and I am not even pro, hundreds of players like me over there.
if you can stream chipscape's deathstream successfully by fingers consider yourself pro, there are much less than a hundred of people who can actually do that

Also quoting goldenwolf, i can even stream short burst 270bpm without any problem (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45335) but i can't even pass chipscape, lol
buny
it's hard enough getting to the deathstream without breaking combo
GoldenWolf

Aqo wrote:

I don't even consider 17 circles a stream anymore :v

if you can't hit at least 200 circles in a row for a certain bpm you can't stream it.
Imagine 100 series of 17 circles streams spaced by 1/1, if you can do more than 90 series full 300, then you can stream that bpm.
That said, almost nobody can stream any bpm lol

But that's only my opinion
buny
1/1 is more than enough time to recover from a burst.
GoldenWolf
17 circles is a bit long for a burst
and I forgot to mention it should be at od9 at least, anything below would be too easy
Aqo
Whether you can stream or not in stream speed discussions and not stream accuracy discussions should not depend on OD at all. This topic boils down to how fast you can move your fingers up and down subsequently.
(since people in the last few posts were talking about speed)

If you want to mention accuracy it's a whole different thing.
-____-_old
Accuracy > speed
GoldenWolf
But what's the point to be able to stream fast if you can't do it well ? (spamming the keyboard and hope for the best)

The exact question I answered was :

Pettanko wrote:

At what point should someone be able to say they can stream a certain bpm?
Being able to stream a certain bpm means : 1) Keep up the speed and 2) Having a good acc

So,

GoldenWolf wrote:

That said, almost nobody can stream any bpm lol
Sherbert
Movement, Easy.
Dexus
Focus on your movements and accuracy and play low BPM maps to improve your jumps and cursor flow, gradually increase the BPM as you start to clear songs easily and your streaming speed and accuracy will develop alongside it. I started playing 140 BPM maps recently to try to get 99% every time and once it started to work for me I moved up to 150 BPM and did the same thing, pushing myself to be more precise in my movements and hitting the notes I'm now at 175 BPM and it's working and I'm going up on the speed almost every day. I feel I have much more skill from doing this than when I was throwing myself into really fast insane maps trying to mash it out and see if I can be accurate or not.

This game just takes lots of practice doing it slow and gradually building up, just like learning how to play instruments.

Quit honestly it's sad because I see so many people focus on streaming and they can't even do simple maps that are slow. Every time I hear someone complain about a map being too slow I know they aren't really listening to the notes and the music and are just visually hitting things. Albeit impressive it's primitive and not very effective, because it takes several tries to get high accuracy just going off of visually seeing the notes and memorizing the map. You'll have an easier time learning how to listen to the music and notes.

But hey, just have fun with this game and enjoy the music, do what you can and take no mind of what others think.
hogcada
playing fpr 1 year still cant stream
A Medic
Easily movement.

I can't stream for very long or accurately if someone had a gun to my head.

So I don't play maps with deathstreams / long streams.
I Give Up
i think necro is more important.
StephOsu
yeah so we should necro more
OT : if cursor movement covers aim then i would say cursor movement > anything > your mom
jaaakb
both, to which extent depends on the maps you play
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