wasnt that the whole purpose of this topic? looking at the titlebuny wrote:
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Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming
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Cursor movement or Streaming?
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I just wanted to remind everyone that people have different views on certain things.silmarilen wrote:
wasnt that the whole purpose of this topic? looking at the titlebuny wrote:
ITT: preferences
Mesita.silmarilen wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4548
339 combo with mouse /pro
Kalle_old_1
For me, getting good at moving the mouse smoothly at all speeds is more important, as keeping up with streams tends to be much harder than being able to click alone. The amount of dexterity that's required when rapid clicking is compounded by constant movement is pretty fierce.
It depends on the player. It's important to be good at both, but some players are better at one and worse at the other.
If you're looking to just pass a song, then I would say cursor movement, since you can mess up a little with timing. But with position, if you're a little off the circle, it still counts as a miss.
i can stream ascension to heaven or say mad machine pretty decent, but when it comes to a part in a song where it's like, stream note note stream stream note, then i have trouble, so it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers 
Azumi Shizuko wrote:
it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers
you can just spam through it though with perfect accuracy still lolAzumi Shizuko wrote:
i can stream ascension to heaven or say mad machine pretty decent, but when it comes to a part in a song where it's like, stream note note stream stream note, then i have trouble, so it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers
Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.
You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)
You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)
just because you can't doesn't mean others can't also.Zook wrote:
Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.
You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)
Pretty much all of my scores are just mindless spammingbuny wrote:
just because you can't doesn't mean others can't also.Zook wrote:
Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.
You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)
accuracy is a subconscious thing anyway
stop trolling thelewa (:
buny, I'd much rather stream properly than be a keyboard berserker and hope for the best.
buny, I'd much rather stream properly than be a keyboard berserker and hope for the best.
only on low bpm i actually have to pay attention to get acc in streamers, between 170-190 bpm i mindlessly spam aswell
It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.
/thread?
/thread?
Movement doesn't matter if you have the streaming ability of a 2 year old.Wishy wrote:
It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.
/thread?
they arent just movement gods, they also have incredible stream speed.Wishy wrote:
It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.
/thread?
its just that they also have movement on top of that, which most people dont.
It's funny because I'm top 100 and I stream really badly. So I'll never be a "best player" unless I can fix that.silmarilen wrote:
they arent just movement gods, they also have incredible stream speed.Wishy wrote:
It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.
/thread?
its just that they also have movement on top of that, which most people dont.
I'll never be good unless I suddenly get speedy fingers
my cursor movement sucks atm while my tapping skills are off the charts. I gotta do something about that..
Uncle Buly
relax mod makes the map 50x easier and autopilot makes the map 50x harder
The only thing that takes skill is clicking. Aim takes no skill, every child can do it.
she_old
both take no skill when you look at them individually
Not really
how many people can stream 222bpm for 70 notes individually. http://www.all8.com/tools/mpm.htm people try and fail. it's still hard on its own
how many people can stream 222bpm for 70 notes individually. http://www.all8.com/tools/mpm.htm people try and fail. it's still hard on its own
apparently most of the people that use this forum stream over 240bpm
anyways, more on topic, that's like saying how many people can follow the streams in fd?
anyways, more on topic, that's like saying how many people can follow the streams in fd?
*claim tobuny wrote:
apparently most of the people that use this forum stream over 240bpm
I'm proud to claim to be able to stream up to 180bpm, and not a single beat per minute faster.
Soarezi
The thing about FD is that you have to have insane stamina to actually keep up your fingers to stream constant 222bpm, while you're getting tired your nerves are going to stop working so your right hand will also ( or left hand whichever youre using for movement ) will also slow down and you can't keep up anymore.
People that can stream that fast and for a long time, such as cookiezi or keigoclear have my respect.
People that can stream that fast and for a long time, such as cookiezi or keigoclear have my respect.
Yeah Freedom Dive on relax is nothing compared to actually playing it. When your mind has to process 222 bpm deathstreams while still following insane stream patterns you end up missing more than you would with relax.
You have too high expectations of other players.Defacer wrote:
so I guess a lot of players can easily go 222 constantly.
ErmDefacer wrote:
a lot of players can easily go 222 constantly
There are less than 10 players I know of that can do 222 bpm for as long as freedom dive is while getting acceptable accuracy. Not exactly a lot imo. I will say though a lot of people could complete the streams, but only if you are actually able to keep up with the BPM from a rhythmic standpoint would you be able to complete the map. As in, if the streams were shorter and not spaced as hell you would be able to all-300 it for a while. From my perspective, I miss the streams so badly because I have to put 99% of my concentration on just keeping up with the sheer speed of it. That's why it seems like easy stuff on relax.
yeah movement is more important once you have mastered key presses so really as key presses come 1st that is most important.
agreebuny wrote:
apparently most of the people that use this forum stream over 240bpm
anyways, more on topic, that's like saying how many people can follow the streams in fd?
speed for very short periods everyone can spam, but to keep consistent high-speed on long run stream is just hell ;_;
A lot of players can go 222 for short bursts, yes. Even I can do that. But only a very very few players can keep up the streams in 4D.Defacer wrote:
And I think that a lot of players can go 222, yeah.
and only about 3 or 4 can follow the streams.GoldenWolf wrote:
A lot of players can go 222 for short bursts, yes. Even I can do that. But only a very very few players can keep up the streams in 4D.Defacer wrote:
And I think that a lot of players can go 222, yeah.
People like Keigo are more like "exceptions" than "examples".Defacer wrote:
KeigoClear is a perfect example of a insane speed and accuracy not to mention stamina
I bet when a number of people say "I can stream 240+ bpm no problem!" they're talking about triples or some shit. I don't think that counts as streaming.
At what point should someone be able to say they can stream a certain bpm?
At what point should someone be able to say they can stream a certain bpm?
Pettanko wrote:
At what point should someone be able to say they can stream a certain bpm?
I'd say more than 17 circles full 300 consistently is a good start
I don't even consider 17 circles a stream anymore :v
if you can't hit at least 200 circles in a row for a certain bpm you can't stream it.
if you can't hit at least 200 circles in a row for a certain bpm you can't stream it.
then i cant stream a single bpm
gg
gg
Just checked top scores on chipscape out of curiosity. Found tons of halftimers, many tap+x, one cheater and less than 10 people who actually cleared that deathstream, not to mention accuracy. Imagine how many of them can follow spaced curved fd streams that last x20 longer.
Oh btw check out the Sprosive guy replay, that's how you deal with deathstream haha.
Oh btw check out the Sprosive guy replay, that's how you deal with deathstream haha.
if you can stream chipscape's deathstream successfully by fingers consider yourself pro, there are much less than a hundred of people who can actually do thatDefacer wrote:
screw all those ''i can stream 260'', ''calculator says i go 320 woo'', they will learn(hopefully) that what they say is not true and is shit.I've encountered many people doing really good results on high bpm streams, I don't know how to explain exactly why in FD 222 isnt hard at all but the damn overall placement of the stream.Chipscape is 220 and so many people can stream the deathstream succesfully but probably can't stream fd, I am one of those for instance and I am not even pro, hundreds of players like me over there.
Also quoting goldenwolf, i can even stream short burst 270bpm without any problem (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45335) but i can't even pass chipscape, lol
it's hard enough getting to the deathstream without breaking combo
Imagine 100 series of 17 circles streams spaced by 1/1, if you can do more than 90 series full 300, then you can stream that bpm.Aqo wrote:
I don't even consider 17 circles a stream anymore :v
if you can't hit at least 200 circles in a row for a certain bpm you can't stream it.
That said, almost nobody can stream any bpm lol
But that's only my opinion
1/1 is more than enough time to recover from a burst.
17 circles is a bit long for a burst
and I forgot to mention it should be at od9 at least, anything below would be too easy
and I forgot to mention it should be at od9 at least, anything below would be too easy
Whether you can stream or not in stream speed discussions and not stream accuracy discussions should not depend on OD at all. This topic boils down to how fast you can move your fingers up and down subsequently.
(since people in the last few posts were talking about speed)
If you want to mention accuracy it's a whole different thing.
(since people in the last few posts were talking about speed)
If you want to mention accuracy it's a whole different thing.
But what's the point to be able to stream fast if you can't do it well ? (spamming the keyboard and hope for the best)
The exact question I answered was :
So,
The exact question I answered was :
Being able to stream a certain bpm means : 1) Keep up the speed and 2) Having a good accPettanko wrote:
At what point should someone be able to say they can stream a certain bpm?
So,
GoldenWolf wrote:
That said, almost nobody can stream any bpm lol
Focus on your movements and accuracy and play low BPM maps to improve your jumps and cursor flow, gradually increase the BPM as you start to clear songs easily and your streaming speed and accuracy will develop alongside it. I started playing 140 BPM maps recently to try to get 99% every time and once it started to work for me I moved up to 150 BPM and did the same thing, pushing myself to be more precise in my movements and hitting the notes I'm now at 175 BPM and it's working and I'm going up on the speed almost every day. I feel I have much more skill from doing this than when I was throwing myself into really fast insane maps trying to mash it out and see if I can be accurate or not.
This game just takes lots of practice doing it slow and gradually building up, just like learning how to play instruments.
Quit honestly it's sad because I see so many people focus on streaming and they can't even do simple maps that are slow. Every time I hear someone complain about a map being too slow I know they aren't really listening to the notes and the music and are just visually hitting things. Albeit impressive it's primitive and not very effective, because it takes several tries to get high accuracy just going off of visually seeing the notes and memorizing the map. You'll have an easier time learning how to listen to the music and notes.
But hey, just have fun with this game and enjoy the music, do what you can and take no mind of what others think.
This game just takes lots of practice doing it slow and gradually building up, just like learning how to play instruments.
Quit honestly it's sad because I see so many people focus on streaming and they can't even do simple maps that are slow. Every time I hear someone complain about a map being too slow I know they aren't really listening to the notes and the music and are just visually hitting things. Albeit impressive it's primitive and not very effective, because it takes several tries to get high accuracy just going off of visually seeing the notes and memorizing the map. You'll have an easier time learning how to listen to the music and notes.
But hey, just have fun with this game and enjoy the music, do what you can and take no mind of what others think.
Easily movement.
I can't stream for very long or accurately if someone had a gun to my head.
So I don't play maps with deathstreams / long streams.
I can't stream for very long or accurately if someone had a gun to my head.
So I don't play maps with deathstreams / long streams.
i think necro is more important.
yeah so we should necro more
OT : if cursor movement covers aim then i would say cursor movement > anything > your mom
OT : if cursor movement covers aim then i would say cursor movement > anything > your mom
both, to which extent depends on the maps you play