Normaly this should be a 1/6, not 1/8. Dunno what happened there. Thank you Deif!
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please no What's the point of using 2/4 when it can be successfully replaced by 4/4 without any difference?those wrote:
Time signatures:
- 00:12:312 - 2/4
- 00:55:541 - 2/4
Also,
This is completely wrong.those wrote:
Time signatures:
- 00:01:132 - 6/4
- 00:03:368 - 4/4
This is 4/4 and 3/4, there's nothing else.
Topic Starter
I already told those that there is no 2/4, and yes, 4/4 is the same here.TicClick wrote:
those wrote:
Time signatures:
- 00:12:312 - 2/4
- 00:55:541 - 2/4
I changed the 6/4 into 4/4.
Hi Stefan, mod from my special queue.
[General]
Set PreviewTime: 12498 in the Hard
I suggest you to remove letterbox because it cuts the girl's head o.o
I don't understand why the hard diff has different red lines point. You must fix it
[Easy]
00:01:132 (1) - I suggest you to remove the 3rd waypoint because the slider would have a better flow without it
00:04:113 (1) - ^ and move it to some grid down to blanket better with the previous circle (3)
00:19:019 (1) - Remove whistles to keep consistency with previous hitsound parts, like: 00:16:038 (1,2,3)
00:35:417 (1,2,3) - I'd use whistles on each sliders' heads and tails to fit that soft sound in the music
[Normal]
00:49:578 (6) - New combo accoring to the new rhythm, remove it from 00:50:696 (1)
01:00:385 (2,3) - To keep consistency with 00:57:404 (2,3) remove clap from (2) adding it on (3)'s start removing whisltle instead
[TicCl!ck's Hard]
00:26:086 (5) - CTRL + R flows better
01:09:688 (1) - clap
01:26:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - It's confusing considering the previous easy part.
Make it as a normal circle stream, a 1/2 sliders stream or a 1/2 repeated sliders stream plz
The map is good, but all elements are unsnapped lol. You must snap them all.
[Ono's Taiko Oni]
00:55:403 (2) - Unsnapped circle
00:55:465 (3) - Unsnapped circle
[Jenny]
00:25:448 (5) - You can also remove this circle to keep sound consistency with 00:28:429
00:39:516 (5) - This slider fits the song till 00:39:889. It'd be better if you remove a slider's repeat adding a circle on the next empty part.
01:08:677 (5) - same of 00:25:448 (5)
01:22:745 (5) - Copied past part lol you already know
[bomber's Insane]
00:10:076 (1) - Overlap better with 00:09:144 (1)
00:11:753 (2,3,4) - Use the same 2.00x spacing of 00:11:566 (1,2)
00:51:814 (1,2,3,4) - This could be pretty confusing and bothering to play çç
00:57:777 (4) - Unrankable slider because totally overlapped with 00:57:031 (2)
01:08:584 (2) - x:328 y:292 to make a triangle jump with 01:08:398 (1,3)
01:12:683 (7) - New combo
This map needs some more work, especially on the inconsistant jumps :\
That's it, Stefan.
Good luck with it >w</
[General]
Set PreviewTime: 12498 in the Hard
I suggest you to remove letterbox because it cuts the girl's head o.o
I don't understand why the hard diff has different red lines point. You must fix it
[Easy]
00:01:132 (1) - I suggest you to remove the 3rd waypoint because the slider would have a better flow without it
00:04:113 (1) - ^ and move it to some grid down to blanket better with the previous circle (3)
00:19:019 (1) - Remove whistles to keep consistency with previous hitsound parts, like: 00:16:038 (1,2,3)
00:35:417 (1,2,3) - I'd use whistles on each sliders' heads and tails to fit that soft sound in the music
[Normal]
00:49:578 (6) - New combo accoring to the new rhythm, remove it from 00:50:696 (1)
01:00:385 (2,3) - To keep consistency with 00:57:404 (2,3) remove clap from (2) adding it on (3)'s start removing whisltle instead
[TicCl!ck's Hard]
00:26:086 (5) - CTRL + R flows better
01:09:688 (1) - clap
01:26:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - It's confusing considering the previous easy part.
Make it as a normal circle stream, a 1/2 sliders stream or a 1/2 repeated sliders stream plz
The map is good, but all elements are unsnapped lol. You must snap them all.
[Ono's Taiko Oni]
00:55:403 (2) - Unsnapped circle
00:55:465 (3) - Unsnapped circle
[Jenny]
00:25:448 (5) - You can also remove this circle to keep sound consistency with 00:28:429
00:39:516 (5) - This slider fits the song till 00:39:889. It'd be better if you remove a slider's repeat adding a circle on the next empty part.
01:08:677 (5) - same of 00:25:448 (5)
01:22:745 (5) - Copied past part lol you already know
[bomber's Insane]
00:10:076 (1) - Overlap better with 00:09:144 (1)
00:11:753 (2,3,4) - Use the same 2.00x spacing of 00:11:566 (1,2)
00:51:814 (1,2,3,4) - This could be pretty confusing and bothering to play çç
00:57:777 (4) - Unrankable slider because totally overlapped with 00:57:031 (2)
01:08:584 (2) - x:328 y:292 to make a triangle jump with 01:08:398 (1,3)
01:12:683 (7) - New combo
This map needs some more work, especially on the inconsistant jumps :\
That's it, Stefan.
Good luck with it >w</
[Download link]Chewin wrote:
[General]
Set PreviewTime: 12498 in the Hard — Done!
I suggest you to remove letterbox because it cuts the girl's head o.o — k done
I don't understand why the hard diff has different red lines point. You must fix it — I don't know what happened to it. Ok, so I wiped all the unnecessary points and used Leorda's metronome fix (I added +14 to follow other diffs and keep the offset correct (or rather good-approximated; better take it as a basis).
[TicCl!ck's Hard]
00:26:086 (5) - CTRL + R flows better — agreed
01:09:688 (1) - clap — no!
01:26:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - It's confusing considering the previous easy part. — Ok, re-mapped to kickslider stream
The map is good, but all elements are unsnapped lol. You must snap them all. — lol done
UpdateChewin wrote:
[bomber's Insane]
00:10:076 (1) - Overlap better with 00:09:144 (1) changed ... even though i moved 00:09:144 (1)
00:11:753 (2,3,4) - Use the same 2.00x spacing of 00:11:566 (1,2) done
00:51:814 (1,2,3,4) - This could be pretty confusing and bothering to play çç I know what you are talking about, but i asked a lot of friends to test it and no one had problems with this. Let's see what i can do :/
00:57:777 (4) - Unrankable slider because totally overlapped with 00:57:031 (2) o.o lol i think it is perfectly readable and i see this kind of pattern so often in other maps but before we get to this annoying "Don't justify with other maps" discussion i change it :X
01:08:584 (2) - x:328 y:292 to make a triangle jump with 01:08:398 (1,3) k
01:12:683 (7) - New combo fine
This map needs some more work, especially on the inconsistant jumps :\not to be unpolite but for a map that needs more work, you didn't wrote that much
That's it, Stefan.
Good luck with it >w</
Fix'd stuff~
Topic Starter
I fixed the unsnapped hitobjects in Ono's Diff. Thanks for the Mod.Chewin wrote:
Hi Stefan, mod from my special queue.
[General]
Set PreviewTime: 12498 in the Hard Fixed.
I suggest you to remove letterbox because it cuts the girl's head o.o Changed.
I don't understand why the hard diff has different red lines point. You must fix it Fixed.
[Easy]
00:01:132 (1) - I suggest you to remove the 3rd waypoint because the slider would have a better flow without it k
00:04:113 (1) - ^ and move it to some grid down to blanket better with the previous circle (3) k
00:19:019 (1) - Remove whistles to keep consistency with previous hitsound parts, like: 00:16:038 (1,2,3) k
00:35:417 (1,2,3) - I'd use whistles on each sliders' heads and tails to fit that soft sound in the music k
[Normal]
00:49:578 (6) - New combo accoring to the new rhythm, remove it from 00:50:696 (1) Nah, it fits well.
01:00:385 (2,3) - To keep consistency with 00:57:404 (2,3) remove clap from (2) adding it on (3)'s start removing whisltle instead k
[General]
However, while not caring for time signatures and the like - I expect you'll have it fixed - I come forth with other mods.
[Taiko]
- It's very obvious that 00:01:132 - is 6/4 and 00:03:368 - is 4/4. The musical motive starts at 00:01:132 - , and again at 00:03:368 - , then 00:06:349 - , and 00:09:330 - . A key thing to notice is the 4 tones (for example, 00:02:622 - sings "re ti so re"), and it happens before each occurrence of the motive. It's musical theory; unless there is something more relevant that I'm clearly missing, the time signatures I have given in my previous post are the correct ones.
- Because this was neglected, combos in the Jenny diff, for a clear example, has new combo in the wrong places. Assuming you're adding new combo to the "4 tones" pattern I stated above:
- 00:03:368 (3) - NC.
- 00:04:113 (1) - Remove NC.
- 00:06:349 (3) - NC.
- 00:07:094 (1) - Remove NC.
- 00:09:330 (5) - NC.
- 00:09:703 (1) - Remove NC.
- Also, 00:12:312 - would be a 2/4 measure before 00:13:057 - 4/4, but it is unnecessary to add that, nor is there exist that option.
However, while not caring for time signatures and the like - I expect you'll have it fixed - I come forth with other mods.
[Taiko]
- 00:25:261 (2,1) - I can only suspect you somehow snapped these incorrectly, since nothing suggests a 1/4 rhythm. If you're simply adding an object 1/4 as a grace note (for a lack of a better explanation), that emptiness should be filled in as you're turning the two objects into a decoration.
Take 00:25:261 (2,1,1,2,1) - for example. dk kdd d d k is how I would map it if I chose to use 1/4 dk. Otherwise what you have at 00:13:429 (1,2) - is much better. - The above comment goes for every instance of 2/4 patterns followed by a 1/1 break. Though I still feel 00:29:734 (2,1,1,1) - is pretty strange and would probably turn it into dk ddk.
- 00:58:615 (11) - Make consistent with 00:15:386 - .
- 00:49:578 - Start mapping here.
- 01:27:683 (1) - After time signature change, you'll find yourself ending spinner at 01:27:683 (1) - .
- Surprisingly the intro wasn't affected by the time signature difference. But 00:10:076 (1,2,3,4) - feels out of place; especially in an Insane, 4 1/1 objects in a row do not fit.
- 00:12:498 (1,2,3) - Fan these toward the outside instead of toward the inside; it will look better with regards to (4).
- 01:08:957 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Is there a particular reason for spacing decrease? Or rather, is there a reason why 01:08:398 (1,2,3) - is a larger spacing?
Wait, WHAT?those wrote:
It's very obvious that 00:01:132 - is 6/4 and 00:03:368 - is 4/4.
00:03:368 - This is not a signature reset those! It's the third beat of the 4/4!
If you don't make the first measure 6/4, then every subsequent measure will be half a measure late. As explained in my previous post, the melody defines where the measures are, and it only makes sense that the first bar is 6/4. It's much easier to explain in person, but that's impossible, so you just gotta understand the theory behind it.
You say this but it is very clear that 00:04:113 - Is a correctly lined up big white tick (a new measure)those wrote:
If you don't make the first measure 6/4, then every subsequent measure will be half a measure late.
In fact, this is still the case for 00:07:094 - , 00:10:076 , and so on on 4/4
I really, honestly, truly have no idea why you're making something this simple so complicated.
Charles asked me to look and I agree with him that they are correct. here is even some sheet music that backs up 4/4 timing.
I don't know what else to say other than I can guarantee that it's 4/4.
I don't know what else to say other than I can guarantee that it's 4/4.
Topic Starter
Alright, so I won't add the timing signature, suggested by those, to the Diffs.
But still thank you for taking time @ XATs.
Ono just told me that he won't make any changes, because it's fine for him.
But still thank you for taking time @ XATs.
Ono just told me that he won't make any changes, because it's fine for him.
I'm not trying to make it complicated, I'm trying to explain it to you. There's a reason why I suggested it, and it's because it doesn't make sense that the 4 tones (as above) that close off the measure is on beat 2 instead of beat 4.
Also, one can rewrite that sheet music so that the first measure is 6/4. But since there's a sheet here let's have a look at it.
In measure 2, the first four eighth notes aren't the melody that make up the start of the measure, considering that if you look at measure 1, the measure starts off with the x xxx x melody. Additionally, the chord that these four eighth notes make is the dominant chord, which hints that the beat after this is the beginning of a new measure.
Like I said above, it's all in musical theory. It doesn't matter if it fits on the white lines; it matters if it fits on the right white lines. As long as you have the right bpm you're bound to be on the white lines anyway.
Also, one can rewrite that sheet music so that the first measure is 6/4. But since there's a sheet here let's have a look at it.
In measure 2, the first four eighth notes aren't the melody that make up the start of the measure, considering that if you look at measure 1, the measure starts off with the x xxx x melody. Additionally, the chord that these four eighth notes make is the dominant chord, which hints that the beat after this is the beginning of a new measure.
Like I said above, it's all in musical theory. It doesn't matter if it fits on the white lines; it matters if it fits on the right white lines. As long as you have the right bpm you're bound to be on the white lines anyway.
I agree with 4/4 here. If you delete the notes it becomes really apparent as well, as you can hear the drumline (which sadly gets overshadowed by the map itself), which defines the rhythm clearly. It also gives you another perspective on how the melody works here. That brings one small issue though, because hearing/looking at your map I tend to lean towards 6/4 because of the comboing used.
Taken from bomber's Insane: 00:03:368 (1) - this should not be a new combo (edit: and should NOT have a finish), it's the part of the same musical line and brings confusion. Would be much better if you somehow made different spacing in that pattern. 00:06:349 (1) - Same here, etc.
tldr; I agree with 4/4. Change how comboing works.
No kd, just my opinion on the matter at hand.
edit: you might want to snap the kiai time properly, some kiai green lines are 10ms off (bomber's diff).
Taken from bomber's Insane: 00:03:368 (1) - this should not be a new combo (edit: and should NOT have a finish), it's the part of the same musical line and brings confusion. Would be much better if you somehow made different spacing in that pattern. 00:06:349 (1) - Same here, etc.
tldr; I agree with 4/4. Change how comboing works.
No kd, just my opinion on the matter at hand.
edit: you might want to snap the kiai time properly, some kiai green lines are 10ms off (bomber's diff).
I can include a picture for better understanding.
If you split the bars like how I did, you can see the 4 eighth notes come before the start of the next bar, which means they are in the right place due to the nature of the chord.
If you split the bars like how I did, you can see the 4 eighth notes come before the start of the next bar, which means they are in the right place due to the nature of the chord.
I can see why you think that and if it was the melody only I might even agree. I will just leave out my last opinion on the matter.
The logic of the melody is that a certain section starts with the same melody piece previous section ended. This is only when analyzing the melody. (except for the 3rd part, there it's more obvious it's 4/4 actually).
Analyzing the drums, you get distinct rhythms which confirm this is 4/4. If you don't believe me check it yourself. I will try to illustrate here:
This is a pattern on how the (main) beats are coming and repeating (this is for the first 4 measures, later its different but this is enough to make a point). This alone should be enough for the song to warrant a 4/4 rhythm. Just because melody can be interpreted differently doesn't mean it's the only possible option (while ignoring the drums ofc). At least that's how I see the melody, like I described above.
I'm outta here for now, good luck with the mapset (and remove that newcombo/finish you have on those notes, they actually create the 6/4 illusion if you don't pay attention to the music).
The logic of the melody is that a certain section starts with the same melody piece previous section ended. This is only when analyzing the melody. (except for the 3rd part, there it's more obvious it's 4/4 actually).
Analyzing the drums, you get distinct rhythms which confirm this is 4/4. If you don't believe me check it yourself. I will try to illustrate here:
This is a pattern on how the (main) beats are coming and repeating (this is for the first 4 measures, later its different but this is enough to make a point). This alone should be enough for the song to warrant a 4/4 rhythm. Just because melody can be interpreted differently doesn't mean it's the only possible option (while ignoring the drums ofc). At least that's how I see the melody, like I described above.
I'm outta here for now, good luck with the mapset (and remove that newcombo/finish you have on those notes, they actually create the 6/4 illusion if you don't pay attention to the music).
I've mapped this and am for the 4/4 party and therefore approve this message.
No idea about this timing thingy D: It worked the whole time (at least for me) so why change it? Stefan has to decide that, because of that all maps need same timing thingy rule guideline ...those wrote:
[bomber]
- Surprisingly the intro wasn't affected by the time signature difference. But 00:10:076 (1,2,3,4) - feels out of place; especially in an Insane, 4 1/1 objects in a row do not fit. took some time to change it but ok. I actually liked that 4x 1/1 ...
i suck at explaining so don't think to much about it but i found that it adds ... tension or just supports the following 2xdisance 1/2 "jump" part. Anyways i changed it.
- 00:12:498 (1,2,3) - Fan these toward the outside instead of toward the inside; it will look better with regards to (4). Thought the same before reading it when i changed the suggestion above
- 01:08:957 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Is there a particular reason for spacing decrease? Or rather, is there a reason why 01:08:398 (1,2,3) - is a larger spacing? well i just took Chewin's suggestion there ... I didn't really checked the spacing orz. It does look nice though ... i try to change it
Update
Sent Stefan a lil' update
this set gets better and better after every update
if only i had a star
if only i had a star
Hi guys, throwing my opinion in!
To see the timing signature clearly, we'd better separate one similar melody part in all measures.
We can use this part as an example: 00:02:622 - 00:03:181
These four beats are clearly distinguishable and can be separated in all measures easily.
Delete all new combos from beginning to 00:12:312.
Now add new combos at such similar parts:
00:02:622 - 00:03:368
00:05:604 - 00:06:349
00:08:585 - 00:09:330
00:11:566 - 00:12:312
It would be even better to color-hax to see the differences more clean.
Fine, after you done that, you will see such a picture: (deleted all triples, set custom colors and zoomed out)
It is obvious that these similar parts should (in music theory) land on the same parts in every measure. Then we can define timing signature by just looking at these parts' positions.
Every next part is 6/4 apart from previous one. If you plus 6/4 and that example part length (2/4), you'll get 8/4 = 4/4 × 2.
My conclusion is: this song is still 4/4 since all similar piano parts start every 8/4.
But still we have a little problem with the downbeat. It must land right after that darker parts' end (because they form the end of each measure), but it misses.
To fix that, you must either place the first red line at 00:00:386 - (not sure if it's okay to place first note not at the downbeat), or, as those is suggesting in irc now, set 6/4 at 00:01:132 - and 4/4 at 00:03:368.
Too long didn't read version:
00:01:132 - 6/4
00:03:368 - 4/4
Same from here 00:44:351 -
To see the timing signature clearly, we'd better separate one similar melody part in all measures.
We can use this part as an example: 00:02:622 - 00:03:181
These four beats are clearly distinguishable and can be separated in all measures easily.
Delete all new combos from beginning to 00:12:312.
Now add new combos at such similar parts:
00:02:622 - 00:03:368
00:05:604 - 00:06:349
00:08:585 - 00:09:330
00:11:566 - 00:12:312
It would be even better to color-hax to see the differences more clean.
Fine, after you done that, you will see such a picture: (deleted all triples, set custom colors and zoomed out)
It is obvious that these similar parts should (in music theory) land on the same parts in every measure. Then we can define timing signature by just looking at these parts' positions.
Every next part is 6/4 apart from previous one. If you plus 6/4 and that example part length (2/4), you'll get 8/4 = 4/4 × 2.
My conclusion is: this song is still 4/4 since all similar piano parts start every 8/4.
But still we have a little problem with the downbeat. It must land right after that darker parts' end (because they form the end of each measure), but it misses.
To fix that, you must either place the first red line at 00:00:386 - (not sure if it's okay to place first note not at the downbeat), or, as those is suggesting in irc now, set 6/4 at 00:01:132 - and 4/4 at 00:03:368.
Too long didn't read version:
00:01:132 - 6/4
00:03:368 - 4/4
Same from here 00:44:351 -
I hope you know already about the thing called "emphasizing"; it doesn't mean a song changes its signature, it only means that a certain beat (or two, or three, doesn't matter) might be heard as a downbeat.
But the darker notes that grumd pointed out have to be at the end of the measure, due to its nature in the tonal system.TicClick wrote:
I hope you know already about the thing called "emphasizing"; it doesn't mean a song changes its signature, it only means that a certain beat (or two, or three, doesn't matter) might be heard as a downbeat.
I agree with the timing as it currently is (4/4 with two small 3/4 sections).
Some parts could be 6/4, but as others have said, it's just the way that the music repeats and not necessarily the time signature being different.
Some parts could be 6/4, but as others have said, it's just the way that the music repeats and not necessarily the time signature being different.
4/4 2/4 2/4 4/4 2/4 2/4 repeat
effectively the same as 4/4 throughout
effectively the same as 4/4 throughout
Contributing music theory stuff.
What Luna said is the most correct solution. The only difference between 2/4, 4/4 and 6/4 are the stress level of the notes. And to be honest, its definitely NOT 6/4.
(mad paint skills inc)
What Luna said is the most correct solution. The only difference between 2/4, 4/4 and 6/4 are the stress level of the notes. And to be honest, its definitely NOT 6/4.
(mad paint skills inc)
And you don't care that the chords formed by the notes are in the wrong place then? It can be any time signature you want, but the dark notes in grumd's post HAVE to be right before the next measure.
Some of you newer to thislesson discussion didn't realize that having only the first measure in 6/4 and the 4/4 to correct metronome will solve the entire issue. I am most definitely not suggesting that even more than one measure in a row should be 6/4.
Some of you newer to this
There is no issue. The issue is not even noticeable (only in taiko, and even there it's no big fuss)
The stressing is like Luna said, I seriously can determine only 2/4 and 4/4 and not 6/4.
Need to take a look on the notecharts later. The measure lines seem to be drawn in there so I'll recheck the values of the measures when I am at home.
But from what I can simply hear, 6/4 is not there.
Are these the correct notecharts (original) or fan made? I know many who just notate stuff wrong.
Edit: what grumd actually points out as 6/4 measure is still 4/4 with a a meter movement which might be mistaken as 6/4 measure.
The 5th beat on the '6/4' measure is as stressed as the 1st. And the 7th (next 4/4) also. For me the only proper solution is keeping 4/4, since the stressing doesn't follow what a 6/4 supposed to has and adding a 2/4 measures everywhere is so pointless and adds many many unneeded downbeats.
I think the stressing of the sections cause the confusion. The combos and hitsounds may amplified it.
Tl;dr: keep 4/4. Change is pointless, you may overthink comboing and slider useage to avoid confusion.
The stressing is like Luna said, I seriously can determine only 2/4 and 4/4 and not 6/4.
Need to take a look on the notecharts later. The measure lines seem to be drawn in there so I'll recheck the values of the measures when I am at home.
But from what I can simply hear, 6/4 is not there.
Are these the correct notecharts (original) or fan made? I know many who just notate stuff wrong.
Edit: what grumd actually points out as 6/4 measure is still 4/4 with a a meter movement which might be mistaken as 6/4 measure.
The 5th beat on the '6/4' measure is as stressed as the 1st. And the 7th (next 4/4) also. For me the only proper solution is keeping 4/4, since the stressing doesn't follow what a 6/4 supposed to has and adding a 2/4 measures everywhere is so pointless and adds many many unneeded downbeats.
I think the stressing of the sections cause the confusion. The combos and hitsounds may amplified it.
Tl;dr: keep 4/4. Change is pointless, you may overthink comboing and slider useage to avoid confusion.
How do you explain this then? Or anyone here?
You can take any 4/4 piece of music, shift it by two beats, and emphasize the start of the measures after the shift, and say that your time signature is correct (which is obviously false since you took the correct time signature to start with and shifted it). But it's the relationship of the tones in the music that matters. There may be reasons why you feel rhythm emphasis can depict the time signature, but cadences always end on strong beats, not weak ones. The darker notes form the second last chord in the cadence (I don't know if you can hear this or not, but it is what it is), so the chord following it must be at a strong beat, i.e. the beginning of the measure.those wrote:
But the darker notes that grumd pointed out have to be at the end of the measure, due to its nature in the tonal system.
Well, like I said it's a change of 4/4 to 2/4. But putting this is technically pointless. You can keep nitpicking on stuff like this and I actually understand what you mean. 6/4 rhythms are called compound meters (at least in German) and consist of 4/4 and 2/4 but have a different stressing (see my graphic)
If you look on the drumbar below the melody bar it is still notated as 4/4. The whole chart is notated as 4/4. (except the triple time parts for sure)
Your feeling may differ from others and like I said, the comboing could amplify this confusion. It can be that the stressing is also misinterpreted by the useage of hold and press (slider-hitcircle laps)
But still, it's only nitpicking. Putting 6/4 leaves out downbeats that are way more necessary. Putting 4/4 2/4 (refer to Luna's post) is the most acceptable measure setting here.
Leaving it 4/4 may get messy after a time but can be solved with a metronome reset, if it is even necessary. But I consider this confusion as caused by the moved stressing of the notes (while drums stay constant). You can call this polymetric, I call this 4/4 with moved stressing.
If you look on the drumbar below the melody bar it is still notated as 4/4. The whole chart is notated as 4/4. (except the triple time parts for sure)
Your feeling may differ from others and like I said, the comboing could amplify this confusion. It can be that the stressing is also misinterpreted by the useage of hold and press (slider-hitcircle laps)
But still, it's only nitpicking. Putting 6/4 leaves out downbeats that are way more necessary. Putting 4/4 2/4 (refer to Luna's post) is the most acceptable measure setting here.
Leaving it 4/4 may get messy after a time but can be solved with a metronome reset, if it is even necessary. But I consider this confusion as caused by the moved stressing of the notes (while drums stay constant). You can call this polymetric, I call this 4/4 with moved stressing.
Setting the first measure as either 6/4 or breaking it into 4/4 and 2/4 is the same thing. It doesn't need to be 6/4, even; however, a 4/4 metronome reset is required at 00:03:368 - regardless, and that has been the only point I've been trying to make.Loctav wrote:
Putting 4/4 2/4 (refer to Luna's post) is the most acceptable measure setting here.
Well, a metronome reset should work then, I think? Stefan should try it.
(sure 6/4 and 4/4 2/4 is technically the same. but if you really are nitpicking about stressed downbeats, then 4/4 and 2/4 is more accurate : P)
(sure 6/4 and 4/4 2/4 is technically the same. but if you really are nitpicking about stressed downbeats, then 4/4 and 2/4 is more accurate : P)
Topic Starter
Well, happy to see that you all finally came to a compromise. 
Thanks to all people who took the time to see about my Map. <3
Updated.
Thanks to all people who took the time to see about my Map. <3
Updated.
Inada, Inada, Inada!
Topic Starter
o3o
Topic Starter
I still wait for someone for bringing my Map forward. :<
Anyway, me and Elly-chan had a VERY long IRC Mod, so here the Log:
Anyway, me and Elly-chan had a VERY long IRC Mod, so here the Log:
Long!
25. Sept
12:21 Elly-chan: maps are cool
12:22 Stefan: uhhh, I think yeah.
12:25 Elly-chan: no
12:25 Elly-chan: stop no
12:25 *Elly-chan is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/167409 ZUN - Because Princess Inada is Scolding Me [Easy]]
12:25 Stefan: Hmm.
12:25 Elly-chan: do something like ticclick did
12:25 Elly-chan: with a spinner
12:25 Elly-chan: instead after the first kiai
12:26 Elly-chan: sounds much better imo
12:26 Elly-chan: ps minoriko's face is funny hahahaha
12:27 Stefan: Yup
12:27 Elly-chan: same thing for normal diff btw
12:27 Stefan: Okay, let me change it.
12:27 Elly-chan: shizuha needs more love ;w;
12:27 Elly-chan: aight
12:28 Elly-chan: 00:13:057 - this slider on jenny's diff is unsnapped or something
12:28 Elly-chan: shorten it so it's like 00:16:038 -
12:30 Elly-chan: 00:56:286 - same right here in jenny's diff
12:30 Stefan: The Slider ends as 1/6.
12:30 Stefan: That's why.
12:30 Elly-chan: why
12:31 Stefan: But well, it sounds off.
12:31 Elly-chan: exactly
12:31 Stefan: Alright, fixed.
12:31 Elly-chan: thank youu
12:32 Elly-chan: brb
26. Sept
01:22 Elly-chan: oops sorry it's taking longer then i thought orz;; gotta give spboxer3 my map so can you wait just a little bit longer ahh ;____;
01:22 Elly-chan: longer ahh ;____;
01:22 Elly-chan: sorry for the delay lolo;;
01:22 Stefan: np, just take your time
01:34 Elly-chan: aight ready \o\
01:34 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan this is why you shouldn't let me take my time haha
01:34 Stefan: kk
01:35 Stefan: We start with Easy.
01:37 Elly-chan: ofc
01:39 Elly-chan: let's see, what do you prefer first
01:39 Elly-chan: NC/Hitsound mods or Aesthetic/Flow
01:39 Stefan: Flow is more important to me.
01:39 Stefan: As NC or Hitsounding.
01:40 Elly-chan: .. so which ones do you want me to mod first o3o
01:40 Stefan: The flow part.
01:41 Elly-chan: aight
01:43 Elly-chan: quick question tho
01:43 Elly-chan: 00:03:368 - why do you have a BPM timing point here
01:43 Stefan: People had a very long discussion about time signatures for my map, you can read it in the thread about this.
01:44 Elly-chan: ah
01:44 Stefan: those and some other people discussed if they are neccessary or not.
01:44 Elly-chan: oh yeah i read that lol;; forgot for a second
01:44 Elly-chan: aight
01:45 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan professional elly mode on boop
01:46 Elly-chan: 00:04:113 (1) - Why don't you make this appear as if it's blanketing (3)? You don't have to of course, but it's a bit more aestheticly pleasing in my opinion. It's easy to fix if you do try it out
01:46 Elly-chan: bit more aestheticly pleasing in my opinion. It's easy to fix if you do try it out
01:47 Stefan: http://puu.sh/18Mrc I hope you mean this.
01:47 Elly-chan: Of course~
01:47 Stefan: Ok.
01:50 Elly-chan: I'll also be jumping around areas of the Easy difficulty if you don't mind lol..
01:50 Stefan: Sure.
01:50 Elly-chan: 01:05:230 (4) - Why don't you remove the repeat and add a spinner like in the first kiai? Sounds a bit empty in this part ):
01:50 Elly-chan: this part ):
01:50 Elly-chan: You could also move (1) over and delete one of the hitcircles or just replace it with one hitcircle at 01:08:956 -
01:52 Stefan: I delete 01:09:702 (2) - and moved (1)
01:52 Stefan: at 01:08:956 - .
01:53 Stefan: I deleted the repeat of 01:05:230 (4) - and added a Spinner, as you suggested.
01:53 Elly-chan: Aight, I'll see exactly what you did when you update when we're finished the IRC mod. ((Assuming you would like a re-check, correct?))
01:53 Elly-chan: would like a re-check, correct?))
01:53 Stefan: Yes.
01:54 Elly-chan: 01:14:174 (1) - http://puu.sh/18MuZ This sounds much better imo.
01:54 Elly-chan: Aight.
01:57 Elly-chan: Including the end, if you'd like to do this pattern instead which sounds much better in my opinion ((The section before the spinner and (3) in the Orange combo)) http://puu.sh/18Mwr
01:57 Elly-chan: before the spinner and (3) in the Orange combo)) http://puu.sh/18Mwr
01:57 Elly-chan: Would be appreciated Sounds better then that awkward last repeat slider D:
01:58 Elly-chan: Also, no Shizuha in the tags? D:
01:58 Stefan: Oh, I'll add it to the tags.
01:59 Elly-chan: Aight :3
02:02 Elly-chan: mm quick afk my sis is calling
02:02 Elly-chan: :3
02:04 Stefan: k
02:06 Elly-chan: back
02:06 Stefan: wb
02:06 Elly-chan: thankss
02:07 Elly-chan: did you reply to my other suggestions? \o\
02:08 Stefan: Uhm, yeah, I change the suggestion about the very last part.
02:08 Elly-chan: okie
02:08 Elly-chan: as for 01:14:174 - ?
02:09 Stefan: Yes.
02:09 Elly-chan: aight :3
02:18 Elly-chan: aight sorry for that moment of randomness //back into mod mode hueheu//
02:19 Stefan: Yeah, it's okay. ^^
02:19 Elly-chan: 00:07:094 - These sliders.. Do you think you can turn them into arc/curve sliders instead? ;^;
02:19 Elly-chan: They don't look that aestheticly pleasing in game play imo
02:23 Stefan: Good, I changed them.
02:24 Elly-chan: http://puu.sh/18MM8 00:29:454 (5) - I think you should re-arrange the anchor points like that so the slider has a more flowey feeling to it.
02:24 Elly-chan: a more flowey feeling to it.
02:25 Elly-chan: ff--
02:25 Elly-chan: afk breakfast ;___;
02:26 Stefan: np
02:31 Elly-chan: backk again lmao
02:32 Stefan: wb
02:32 Elly-chan: did you submit ?
02:32 Stefan: I updated it right now, so check out the changes.
02:32 Stefan: Because, I changed sume stuff in my purpose.
02:33 Elly-chan: aight
02:35 Elly-chan: 00:19:019 - Could you also change this into an art slider too? Shape looks awkward and not visually pleasing imo
02:35 Elly-chan: imo
02:36 Stefan: Anyway, it looks MUCH better now, with your suggestion, and with some changes by me.
02:36 Elly-chan: ah, the map from the mod? haha
02:36 Elly-chan: I'm still not done ;O
02:37 Stefan: Yeah I know. haha
02:38 Stefan: And I changed 00:19:019 (1) - for a bit.
02:38 Elly-chan: aight
02:40 Elly-chan: 00:35:417 (1, 2) - I think this pattern is better like this imo, http://puu.sh/18MW2 ; A bit better flow and the last one now follows the BGM better rather then the previous one where it just did two long sliders that followed the BGM with the ticks only >w<
02:40 Elly-chan: last one now follows the BGM better rather then the previous one where it just did two long sliders that followed the BGM with the ticks only >w<
02:40 Elly-chan: followed the BGM with the ticks only >w<
02:44 Stefan: Good.
02:47 Elly-chan: 00:48:833 (3) - http://puu.sh/18N0v how about this beat pattern instead?
02:47 Elly-chan: Sounds better imo, didn't really understand the long repeat slider or what it follows exactly orz
02:48 Stefan: Nah, I perfer the current slider to be honest.
02:50 Elly-chan: ahh oki
02:53 Elly-chan: 00:53:305 (1) - Why is there a somewhat anti-jump here..?
02:53 Elly-chan: Can you space it out normally? lol
02:55 Stefan: Woops, didn't see.
03:00 Elly-chan: 01:18:646 - http://puu.sh/18N8K Maybe this? ORZ;; Current slider arrangement just seems a little bit messy to me D:
03:00 Elly-chan: me D:
03:03 Elly-chan: 01:14:174 (1) - There's an anti-jump here too, I think ><
03:04 Stefan: good.
03:05 Elly-chan: http://puu.sh/18Nby 01:08:956 (1, 2, 3, 4) - I think you should re-arrange these notes like this, flows better imo and looks more aesthetically pleasing
03:05 Elly-chan: imo and looks more aesthetically pleasing
03:05 Stefan: Anyway, we will need to continue the Mod later. Because I have to go in a half hour.
03:05 Elly-chan: Ah, alright
03:06 Elly-chan: So you're done for now? haha
03:06 Stefan: So we finish the Easy Diff mod, and if it's ok for you, we will do later the Mod for Normal.
03:07 Elly-chan: ahh
03:07 Elly-chan: Yeah okie
03:07 Elly-chan: After fixing that last mod thing I posted update please so I can see what you have
03:11 Stefan: Okay, updated.
03:13 Elly-chan: 01:08:956 00:36:535 (2) - Move it to the right a bit more so it's directly under (1)? ;w;
03:15 Stefan: http://puu.sh/18Ni4 This?
03:15 Elly-chan: yea
03:15 Oh lol what happened to that line.. 00:36:535 - *
03:16 Stefan: Idk.
03:16 Elly-chan: mm and then this is just some stuff i'm definitly unsure about but I have no idea to fix, so if you have an idea feel free to try to fix it ahh
03:16 Elly-chan: feel free to try to fix it ahh
03:17 Stefan: Okay.
03:17 Elly-chan: 00:07:094 (1) - These two big sliders are really weird to play in-game but I have no idea how to fix them; can you try re-shaping them ((AGAIN)) but keep the anchor point in the middle because it makes the middle slider tick stand out? xD
03:17 Elly-chan: you try re-shaping them ((AGAIN)) but keep the anchor point in the middle because it makes the middle slider tick stand out? xD
03:17 Elly-chan: tick stand out? xD
03:18 Elly-chan: Hold down shift and then drag the (1) slider down 00:16:038 -
03:18 Elly-chan: plays better lined up imo
03:18 Elly-chan: 00:19:019 (1) - Just make this into an arc? orz
03:18 Elly-chan: 00:53:305 (1, 2) - These slider shapes don't fit with the music imo
03:19 Elly-chan: 00:56:286 - This whole first half of the kiai is really weird concidering you made the long sliders longer orz;;
03:19 Elly-chan: maybe shorten them like the first kiai? sounds waaaay better to me
03:19 Elly-chan: i get that you want diversity but it sounds horrible in this case imo ;__;
03:20 Elly-chan: last pattern: 01:18:646 - it plays weirdly when it's not centered imo
03:20 Elly-chan: try to center it..? lol
03:20 Elly-chan: anyways yeah that's the end of aesthetics/flow/etc \o\
03:20 Elly-chan: when you get back later we can do hitsounds/nc
03:20 Elly-chan: lol
03:21 Stefan: good
03:34 Stefan: Alright, I updated the Diff, we'll talk later again.
03:34 Stefan: See ya \o
03:35 Elly-chan: bye \o\
27. Sept
12:38 Elly-chan: Don't forget to add Shizuha to the tags of all the other diffs, also. >w<
12:38 Stefan: Yep, I did.
12:38 Elly-chan: great~
12:39 Stefan: Alright, I am ready. o3o
12:41 Elly-chan: 00:19:019 (1) - Just use a curve slider please ;n; orz
12:42 Stefan: Alright..
12:44 Elly-chan: 00:54:236 (1) - Same here ;^;
12:46 Stefan: Done.
12:48 Elly-chan: 01:00:478 (1, 2) - Personally, I think this is better and less messy. Maybe change it to this instead so that it's a 'true' blanket? >W< http://puu.sh/18WAJ
12:48 Elly-chan: 'true' blanket? >W< http://puu.sh/18WAJ
12:51 Stefan: It acutally blanks perfect together, the only difference is the "small" part at the start.
12:51 Elly-chan: yeah that's the part I don't like
12:56 Stefan: Good, changed.
12:56 Elly-chan: brb for a few mins now //orz
12:56 Stefan: Okay
01:32 Elly-chan: Back
01:32 Elly-chan: longer then i expected
01:33 Elly-chan: anyways, did you update
01:33 Stefan: Not yet, should I?
01:36 Stefan: Well, not important anymore, updated.
01:36 Stefan: brb taking Shower, you can already start
01:37 Elly-chan: okie
01:54 Elly-chan: actually might have to go soon so we can continue this another time..? ><
01:54 Stefan: Yes.
01:54 Stefan: Just came back.
01:55 Stefan: Anyway, what about the other Diffs? Do you gonna mod them too?
01:55 Elly-chan: yeah
01:55 Stefan: Alright.
29. Sept
02:21 Stefan: Good morning!
02:26 Elly-chan: Morning <3
02:26 Stefan: sup?
02:26 Elly-chan: not much aside from being bored \:D/
02:27 Stefan: Well, if you aren't busy now, we could "finish" our mod.
02:30 Elly-chan: sure
02:30 Stefan: Well, can we start now?
02:31 Elly-chan: ok
02:32 Stefan: Good, we talked about Hitsounding, and I think this is the main problem of my two Diffs.
02:32 Elly-chan: yeah, the main problem is the obnoxious hitsounds
02:33 Elly-chan: not because yours are wrong
02:33 Elly-chan: but because of the Normal <-- hitsound option
02:33 Stefan: I noticed that the Hitsounds got messed up over the mods, obviously.
02:33 Elly-chan: imo it'd sound WAY better to just lower it to soft
02:33 Elly-chan: and ye
02:33 Elly-chan: i can fix that hopefully haha
02:33 Stefan: So when I should use soft hitsounds?
02:33 Elly-chan: just tell me what you want your hitsounds to follow and i'll nitpick the shit out of them
02:33 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan runs
02:33 Elly-chan: umm, hold on, lemme see
02:33 Stefan: Ok.
02:34 Elly-chan: well, imo, i think it's just be better to use them throughout the entire map
02:34 Stefan: Good.
02:36 Stefan: Okay, I got some ideas now.
02:36 Elly-chan: okay
02:36 Stefan: 00:01:132 (1) - Finish is still at the Start but now Whistle at the End.
02:36 Elly-chan: would you like to rehitsound both diffs and then upload ?
02:37 Elly-chan: oh ok
02:37 Elly-chan: aight hold on haha
02:37 Elly-chan: can you upload with the soft sampleset hitsounds
02:37 Stefan: Sure.
02:39 Stefan: Done.
02:41 Elly-chan: aight
02:43 Elly-chan: 00:04:858 - whistle here, then
02:43 Stefan: Yeah yeah, I already work on it. xD
02:43 Elly-chan: oh aight
02:44 Stefan: I will upload the update in some minutes.
02:44 Elly-chan: so you're rehitsounding yourself? xD
02:44 Elly-chan: okay
02:44 Elly-chan: tell me when \o\
02:44 Stefan: Yup, and because of the Idea, and now since the hitsounds are soft, I try to change it in my own sight.
02:51 Stefan: Alright, Easy got completly re-hitsounded.
02:51 Elly-chan: aight, am i waiting on normal too, or .. ?
02:52 Stefan: Uhm, well, I will re-hitsound Normal now.
02:52 Elly-chan: dehufij ok
02:52 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan quick afk
02:58 Stefan: brb
03:14 Stefan: Back
03:16 Elly-chan: welcome back
03:16 Stefan: Thanks
03:16 Elly-chan: np
03:17 Stefan: Anyway, I found the Idea about the soft Claps like in Tic's Diff really cool.
03:17 Stefan: So I will use them in my Diff too.
03:22 Elly-chan: aight
12:21 Elly-chan: maps are cool
12:22 Stefan: uhhh, I think yeah.
12:25 Elly-chan: no
12:25 Elly-chan: stop no
12:25 *Elly-chan is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/167409 ZUN - Because Princess Inada is Scolding Me [Easy]]
12:25 Stefan: Hmm.
12:25 Elly-chan: do something like ticclick did
12:25 Elly-chan: with a spinner
12:25 Elly-chan: instead after the first kiai
12:26 Elly-chan: sounds much better imo
12:26 Elly-chan: ps minoriko's face is funny hahahaha
12:27 Stefan: Yup
12:27 Elly-chan: same thing for normal diff btw
12:27 Stefan: Okay, let me change it.
12:27 Elly-chan: shizuha needs more love ;w;
12:27 Elly-chan: aight
12:28 Elly-chan: 00:13:057 - this slider on jenny's diff is unsnapped or something
12:28 Elly-chan: shorten it so it's like 00:16:038 -
12:30 Elly-chan: 00:56:286 - same right here in jenny's diff
12:30 Stefan: The Slider ends as 1/6.
12:30 Stefan: That's why.
12:30 Elly-chan: why
12:31 Stefan: But well, it sounds off.
12:31 Elly-chan: exactly
12:31 Stefan: Alright, fixed.
12:31 Elly-chan: thank youu
12:32 Elly-chan: brb
26. Sept
01:22 Elly-chan: oops sorry it's taking longer then i thought orz;; gotta give spboxer3 my map so can you wait just a little bit longer ahh ;____;
01:22 Elly-chan: longer ahh ;____;
01:22 Elly-chan: sorry for the delay lolo;;
01:22 Stefan: np, just take your time
01:34 Elly-chan: aight ready \o\
01:34 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan this is why you shouldn't let me take my time haha
01:34 Stefan: kk
01:35 Stefan: We start with Easy.
01:37 Elly-chan: ofc
01:39 Elly-chan: let's see, what do you prefer first
01:39 Elly-chan: NC/Hitsound mods or Aesthetic/Flow
01:39 Stefan: Flow is more important to me.
01:39 Stefan: As NC or Hitsounding.
01:40 Elly-chan: .. so which ones do you want me to mod first o3o
01:40 Stefan: The flow part.
01:41 Elly-chan: aight
01:43 Elly-chan: quick question tho
01:43 Elly-chan: 00:03:368 - why do you have a BPM timing point here
01:43 Stefan: People had a very long discussion about time signatures for my map, you can read it in the thread about this.
01:44 Elly-chan: ah
01:44 Stefan: those and some other people discussed if they are neccessary or not.
01:44 Elly-chan: oh yeah i read that lol;; forgot for a second
01:44 Elly-chan: aight
01:45 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan professional elly mode on boop
01:46 Elly-chan: 00:04:113 (1) - Why don't you make this appear as if it's blanketing (3)? You don't have to of course, but it's a bit more aestheticly pleasing in my opinion. It's easy to fix if you do try it out
01:46 Elly-chan: bit more aestheticly pleasing in my opinion. It's easy to fix if you do try it out
01:47 Stefan: http://puu.sh/18Mrc I hope you mean this.
01:47 Elly-chan: Of course~
01:47 Stefan: Ok.
01:50 Elly-chan: I'll also be jumping around areas of the Easy difficulty if you don't mind lol..
01:50 Stefan: Sure.
01:50 Elly-chan: 01:05:230 (4) - Why don't you remove the repeat and add a spinner like in the first kiai? Sounds a bit empty in this part ):
01:50 Elly-chan: this part ):
01:50 Elly-chan: You could also move (1) over and delete one of the hitcircles or just replace it with one hitcircle at 01:08:956 -
01:52 Stefan: I delete 01:09:702 (2) - and moved (1)
01:52 Stefan: at 01:08:956 - .
01:53 Stefan: I deleted the repeat of 01:05:230 (4) - and added a Spinner, as you suggested.
01:53 Elly-chan: Aight, I'll see exactly what you did when you update when we're finished the IRC mod.
((Assuming you would like a re-check, correct?))01:53 Elly-chan: would like a re-check, correct?))
01:53 Stefan: Yes.
01:54 Elly-chan: 01:14:174 (1) - http://puu.sh/18MuZ This sounds much better imo.
01:54 Elly-chan: Aight.
01:57 Elly-chan: Including the end, if you'd like to do this pattern instead which sounds much better in my opinion ((The section before the spinner and (3) in the Orange combo)) http://puu.sh/18Mwr
01:57 Elly-chan: before the spinner and (3) in the Orange combo)) http://puu.sh/18Mwr
01:57 Elly-chan: Would be appreciated
Sounds better then that awkward last repeat slider D:01:58 Elly-chan: Also, no Shizuha in the tags? D:
01:58 Stefan: Oh, I'll add it to the tags.
01:59 Elly-chan: Aight :3
02:02 Elly-chan: mm quick afk my sis is calling
02:02 Elly-chan: :3
02:04 Stefan: k
02:06 Elly-chan: back
02:06 Stefan: wb
02:06 Elly-chan: thankss
02:07 Elly-chan: did you reply to my other suggestions? \o\
02:08 Stefan: Uhm, yeah, I change the suggestion about the very last part.
02:08 Elly-chan: okie
02:08 Elly-chan: as for 01:14:174 - ?
02:09 Stefan: Yes.
02:09 Elly-chan: aight :3
02:18 Elly-chan: aight sorry for that moment of randomness //back into mod mode hueheu//
02:19 Stefan: Yeah, it's okay. ^^
02:19 Elly-chan: 00:07:094 - These sliders.. Do you think you can turn them into arc/curve sliders instead? ;^;
02:19 Elly-chan: They don't look that aestheticly pleasing in game play imo
02:23 Stefan: Good, I changed them.
02:24 Elly-chan: http://puu.sh/18MM8 00:29:454 (5) - I think you should re-arrange the anchor points like that so the slider has a more flowey feeling to it.
02:24 Elly-chan: a more flowey feeling to it.
02:25 Elly-chan: ff--
02:25 Elly-chan: afk breakfast ;___;
02:26 Stefan: np
02:31 Elly-chan: backk again lmao
02:32 Stefan: wb
02:32 Elly-chan: did you submit ?
02:32 Stefan: I updated it right now, so check out the changes.
02:32 Stefan: Because, I changed sume stuff in my purpose.
02:33 Elly-chan: aight
02:35 Elly-chan: 00:19:019 - Could you also change this into an art slider too? Shape looks awkward and not visually pleasing imo
02:35 Elly-chan: imo
02:36 Stefan: Anyway, it looks MUCH better now, with your suggestion, and with some changes by me.
02:36 Elly-chan: ah, the map from the mod? haha
02:36 Elly-chan: I'm still not done ;O
02:37 Stefan: Yeah I know. haha
02:38 Stefan: And I changed 00:19:019 (1) - for a bit.
02:38 Elly-chan: aight
02:40 Elly-chan: 00:35:417 (1, 2) - I think this pattern is better like this imo, http://puu.sh/18MW2 ; A bit better flow and the last one now follows the BGM better rather then the previous one where it just did two long sliders that followed the BGM with the ticks only >w<
02:40 Elly-chan: last one now follows the BGM better rather then the previous one where it just did two long sliders that followed the BGM with the ticks only >w<
02:40 Elly-chan: followed the BGM with the ticks only >w<
02:44 Stefan: Good.
02:47 Elly-chan: 00:48:833 (3) - http://puu.sh/18N0v how about this beat pattern instead?
02:47 Elly-chan: Sounds better imo, didn't really understand the long repeat slider or what it follows exactly orz
02:48 Stefan: Nah, I perfer the current slider to be honest.
02:50 Elly-chan: ahh oki
02:53 Elly-chan: 00:53:305 (1) - Why is there a somewhat anti-jump here..?
02:53 Elly-chan: Can you space it out normally? lol
02:55 Stefan: Woops, didn't see.
03:00 Elly-chan: 01:18:646 - http://puu.sh/18N8K Maybe this? ORZ;; Current slider arrangement just seems a little bit messy to me D:
03:00 Elly-chan: me D:
03:03 Elly-chan: 01:14:174 (1) - There's an anti-jump here too, I think ><
03:04 Stefan: good.
03:05 Elly-chan: http://puu.sh/18Nby 01:08:956 (1, 2, 3, 4) - I think you should re-arrange these notes like this, flows better imo and looks more aesthetically pleasing
03:05 Elly-chan: imo and looks more aesthetically pleasing
03:05 Stefan: Anyway, we will need to continue the Mod later. Because I have to go in a half hour.
03:05 Elly-chan: Ah, alright
03:06 Elly-chan: So you're done for now? haha
03:06 Stefan: So we finish the Easy Diff mod, and if it's ok for you, we will do later the Mod for Normal.
03:07 Elly-chan: ahh
03:07 Elly-chan: Yeah okie
03:07 Elly-chan: After fixing that last mod thing I posted update please so I can see what you have
03:11 Stefan: Okay, updated.
03:13 Elly-chan: 01:08:956 00:36:535 (2) - Move it to the right a bit more so it's directly under (1)? ;w;
03:15 Stefan: http://puu.sh/18Ni4 This?
03:15 Elly-chan: yea
03:15 Oh lol what happened to that line.. 00:36:535 - *
03:16 Stefan: Idk.
03:16 Elly-chan: mm and then this is just some stuff i'm definitly unsure about but I have no idea to fix, so if you have an idea feel free to try to fix it ahh
03:16 Elly-chan: feel free to try to fix it ahh
03:17 Stefan: Okay.
03:17 Elly-chan: 00:07:094 (1) - These two big sliders are really weird to play in-game but I have no idea how to fix them; can you try re-shaping them ((AGAIN)) but keep the anchor point in the middle because it makes the middle slider tick stand out? xD
03:17 Elly-chan: you try re-shaping them ((AGAIN)) but keep the anchor point in the middle because it makes the middle slider tick stand out? xD
03:17 Elly-chan: tick stand out? xD
03:18 Elly-chan: Hold down shift and then drag the (1) slider down 00:16:038 -
03:18 Elly-chan: plays better lined up imo
03:18 Elly-chan: 00:19:019 (1) - Just make this into an arc? orz
03:18 Elly-chan: 00:53:305 (1, 2) - These slider shapes don't fit with the music imo
03:19 Elly-chan: 00:56:286 - This whole first half of the kiai is really weird concidering you made the long sliders longer orz;;
03:19 Elly-chan: maybe shorten them like the first kiai? sounds waaaay better to me
03:19 Elly-chan: i get that you want diversity but it sounds horrible in this case imo ;__;
03:20 Elly-chan: last pattern: 01:18:646 - it plays weirdly when it's not centered imo
03:20 Elly-chan: try to center it..? lol
03:20 Elly-chan: anyways yeah that's the end of aesthetics/flow/etc \o\
03:20 Elly-chan: when you get back later we can do hitsounds/nc
03:20 Elly-chan: lol
03:21 Stefan: good
03:34 Stefan: Alright, I updated the Diff, we'll talk later again.
03:34 Stefan: See ya \o
03:35 Elly-chan: bye \o\
27. Sept
12:38 Elly-chan: Don't forget to add Shizuha to the tags of all the other diffs, also. >w<
12:38 Stefan: Yep, I did.
12:38 Elly-chan: great~
12:39 Stefan: Alright, I am ready. o3o
12:41 Elly-chan: 00:19:019 (1) - Just use a curve slider please ;n; orz
12:42 Stefan: Alright..
12:44 Elly-chan: 00:54:236 (1) - Same here ;^;
12:46 Stefan: Done.
12:48 Elly-chan: 01:00:478 (1, 2) - Personally, I think this is better and less messy. Maybe change it to this instead so that it's a 'true' blanket? >W< http://puu.sh/18WAJ
12:48 Elly-chan: 'true' blanket? >W< http://puu.sh/18WAJ
12:51 Stefan: It acutally blanks perfect together, the only difference is the "small" part at the start.
12:51 Elly-chan: yeah that's the part I don't like
12:56 Stefan: Good, changed.
12:56 Elly-chan: brb for a few mins now //orz
12:56 Stefan: Okay
01:32 Elly-chan: Back
01:32 Elly-chan: longer then i expected
01:33 Elly-chan: anyways, did you update
01:33 Stefan: Not yet, should I?
01:36 Stefan: Well, not important anymore, updated.
01:36 Stefan: brb taking Shower, you can already start
01:37 Elly-chan: okie
01:54 Elly-chan: actually might have to go soon so we can continue this another time..? ><
01:54 Stefan: Yes.
01:54 Stefan: Just came back.
01:55 Stefan: Anyway, what about the other Diffs? Do you gonna mod them too?
01:55 Elly-chan: yeah
01:55 Stefan: Alright.
29. Sept
02:21 Stefan: Good morning!
02:26 Elly-chan: Morning <3
02:26 Stefan: sup?
02:26 Elly-chan: not much aside from being bored \:D/
02:27 Stefan: Well, if you aren't busy now, we could "finish" our mod.
02:30 Elly-chan: sure
02:30 Stefan: Well, can we start now?
02:31 Elly-chan: ok
02:32 Stefan: Good, we talked about Hitsounding, and I think this is the main problem of my two Diffs.
02:32 Elly-chan: yeah, the main problem is the obnoxious hitsounds
02:33 Elly-chan: not because yours are wrong
02:33 Elly-chan: but because of the Normal <-- hitsound option
02:33 Stefan: I noticed that the Hitsounds got messed up over the mods, obviously.
02:33 Elly-chan: imo it'd sound WAY better to just lower it to soft
02:33 Elly-chan: and ye
02:33 Elly-chan: i can fix that hopefully haha
02:33 Stefan: So when I should use soft hitsounds?
02:33 Elly-chan: just tell me what you want your hitsounds to follow and i'll nitpick the shit out of them
02:33 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan runs
02:33 Elly-chan: umm, hold on, lemme see
02:33 Stefan: Ok.
02:34 Elly-chan: well, imo, i think it's just be better to use them throughout the entire map
02:34 Stefan: Good.
02:36 Stefan: Okay, I got some ideas now.
02:36 Elly-chan: okay
02:36 Stefan: 00:01:132 (1) - Finish is still at the Start but now Whistle at the End.
02:36 Elly-chan: would you like to rehitsound both diffs and then upload ?
02:37 Elly-chan: oh ok
02:37 Elly-chan: aight hold on haha
02:37 Elly-chan: can you upload with the soft sampleset hitsounds
02:37 Stefan: Sure.
02:39 Stefan: Done.
02:41 Elly-chan: aight
02:43 Elly-chan: 00:04:858 - whistle here, then
02:43 Stefan: Yeah yeah, I already work on it. xD
02:43 Elly-chan: oh aight
02:44 Stefan: I will upload the update in some minutes.
02:44 Elly-chan: so you're rehitsounding yourself? xD
02:44 Elly-chan: okay
02:44 Elly-chan: tell me when \o\
02:44 Stefan: Yup, and because of the Idea, and now since the hitsounds are soft, I try to change it in my own sight.
02:51 Stefan: Alright, Easy got completly re-hitsounded.
02:51 Elly-chan: aight, am i waiting on normal too, or .. ?
02:52 Stefan: Uhm, well, I will re-hitsound Normal now.
02:52 Elly-chan: dehufij ok
02:52 Elly-chan: *Elly-chan quick afk
02:58 Stefan: brb
03:14 Stefan: Back
03:16 Elly-chan: welcome back
03:16 Stefan: Thanks
03:16 Elly-chan: np
03:17 Stefan: Anyway, I found the Idea about the soft Claps like in Tic's Diff really cool.
03:17 Stefan: So I will use them in my Diff too.
03:22 Elly-chan: aight
Topic Starter
I am waiting that Sallad4ever is going to mod it.Mercurial wrote:
Go update this.
I am waiting for your rank.
yo I am waiting, tooJenny wrote:
I am waiting for your rank.
Topic Starter
;w;bomber34 wrote:
yo I am waiting, tooJenny wrote:
I am waiting for your rank.
Sorry for the late reply
[General]
[Easy]
[TicCl!ck's Hard]
[bomber's Insane]
[Jenny]
[General]
- I've read the timing signature discussion and I'm on the side that the signature on 00:01:132 should be 4/4 & the timing section on 00:03:368 is unnecessary, but rather than starting another discussion just let the next BAT give you the final judgement and leave it as it is for now
- The last 2 uninherited timing section in TicClick's diff are different then the other diff, please fix this
[Easy]
- 00:10:076 (1) - Add finish at the start
- 00:48:833 (3) - Add finish at the slider end
- 00:53:305 (1) - Add finish at the start
- 00:59:267 (1) - Whistle at the end sounds better than clap
- 00:33:926 (1) - Remove NC
- 00:53:305 (1) - Change the whistle at the slider start to finish or maybe make it into 2 finish at the start and the end so it'll be the same with 00:10:076 (1)
- 00:55:168 (4,5) - I suggest to CTRL + G these 2. The end of slider is kinda passive considering the emphasize on 00:55:541, so rather than a slider a circle give better feedback for the music
- 01:12:683 (4) - Hmm...This looks better if you change the last red point into a normal one. Kinda like this
[TicCl!ck's Hard]
- Hmm could you tone down the 1/2 beat whistle a little? Almost all of the 1/2 beat have whistle, not that it's bad it's just a little too much. My suggestion is remove whistle on:
- 00:13:057 (1)
- 00:14:175 (4)
- 00:16:038 (1)
- 00:18:833 (4) - or maybe change it into clap for a double clap
- 00:19:019 (1)
- 00:20:324 (5)
- 00:22:001 (1)
- 00:23:305 (4)
- 00:06:722 - If you're following the music very closely, there should be a note here
- 00:49:951 - ^
[bomber's Insane]
- 00:28:895 (6,7) - It's better to continue the previous flow by CTRL+G these 2
- 01:12:683 (1) - I try making the slider more symmetricalSPOILER
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[Jenny]
- 01:27:683 (1) - Better remove this & end the map the same as other diffs. The fade out doesn't really good for a spinner
Topic Starter
Thanks for your Mod!Sallad4ever wrote:
Sorry for the late reply
[General]
- I've read the timing signature discussion and I'm on the side that the signature on 00:01:132 should be 4/4 & the timing section on 00:03:368 is unnecessary, but rather than starting another discussion just let the next BAT give you the final judgement and leave it as it is for now Alright.
- The last 2 uninherited timing section in TicClick's diff are different then the other diff, please fix this Gonna fix this, when I get Tic's Update.
[Easy][Normal]
- 00:10:076 (1) - Add finish at the start Ok.
- 00:48:833 (3) - Add finish at the slider end Alright.
- 00:53:305 (1) - Add finish at the start Ok.
- 00:59:267 (1) - Whistle at the end sounds better than clap Good.
- 00:33:926 (1) - Remove NC There starts a new part of the Song..
- 00:53:305 (1) - Change the whistle at the slider start to finish or maybe make it into 2 finish at the start and the end so it'll be the same with 00:10:076 (1) Ok.
- 00:55:168 (4,5) - I suggest to CTRL + G these 2. The end of slider is kinda passive considering the emphasize on 00:55:541, so rather than a slider a circle give better feedback for the music I see what you mean, changed.
- 01:12:683 (4) - Hmm...This looks better if you change the last red point into a normal one. Kinda like this Okay!
Fixed everything Sallad4ever mentioned, except a whistle or two. Here's the link: http://puu.sh/1lAak
About timing signatures: do whatever people recommend you, I'm not gonna touch it to prevent misleading.
About timing signatures: do whatever people recommend you, I'm not gonna touch it to prevent misleading.
http://puu.sh/1lB7KSallad4ever wrote:
Sorry for the late reply
[bomber's Insane]That's all from me. Good Luck~
- 00:28:895 (6,7) - It's better to continue the previous flow by CTRL+G these 2 okay, but I also used ctrl+G on (7,8) afterwards, because flow was even better with the diamon that it creates
- 01:12:683 (1) - I try making the slider more symmetrical wow nice
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Told Stefan I'm fine with removing the spinner.
Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions. I just wanted to point things that may be helpful for the ranking:
•00:14:734 (6,7,8) - Why that inconsistent spacing? ;o
•00:35:789 (2,3) - These two sliders could be the same as the previous slider (1)
And I guess you copy/paste the first Kiai time for the second. So yeah, that's all I had to say here.
Good job, like always.
Good luck with your map, catch this!
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions. I just wanted to point things that may be helpful for the ranking:
[Easy]
Hitsounds mod
This box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
•00:19:019 - There's something I just don't understand here. At the other "big-while-lines", you've added finishes to the beginning of these sliders and for this one, it magically doesn't have one. Can you explain to me why there's no finish? Or even, add one here to keep the consistency with the other hitsounds. Also, I just seen that it as a whistle at this point and the other doesn't have it. It may be annoying in some ways because you've also added a whistle to the end of the slider so you added the same hitsounds twice in a row. It should also be the same with this slider: 00:22:001 (1) -
•00:26:473 (2) - The rhythm was pretty good until you add a clap at the end of this slider. It doesn't fit with the first part, which should have the same consistency. So to fix this, delete the clap at the end of the slider and replace it by a whistle instead.
•00:30:199 - Well, that's the same thing here. To make it consistent with the point above and the first part, delete the clap at the end of the slider and replace it by a whistle.
•00:30:945 (1) - This seems weird to don't have the finish after that clap on the last downbeat (the big-white-line). If you were trying to keep the consistency, you would have replaced the whistle by a finish. Also, it sounds more good with the finish than the whistle. In conclusion: Replace the whistle by a finish.
•00:33:181 - Same as the points above: Delete this clap. It just don't fit here and you have two claps in a row. Instead of having nothing here, add a whistle.
•00:55:541 - You can skip this one if you want, but I think a finish will sound good here with the last slider.
•01:02:248 - I don't know if I pointed it some points above but, the whistle doesn't belong here, it would have been better if you kept the consistency with your finishes. So: Replace the whistle by a finish.
•01:05:230 - Same as the point above.
•01:14:174 - I understand why you've added a whistle here instead of a finish (Like the two points above), but in my opinion, a finish sounds better and it keeps the consistency. So it's up to you, but a finish seems way more better than a whistle c:
•00:19:019 - There's something I just don't understand here. At the other "big-while-lines", you've added finishes to the beginning of these sliders and for this one, it magically doesn't have one. Can you explain to me why there's no finish? Or even, add one here to keep the consistency with the other hitsounds. Also, I just seen that it as a whistle at this point and the other doesn't have it. It may be annoying in some ways because you've also added a whistle to the end of the slider so you added the same hitsounds twice in a row. It should also be the same with this slider: 00:22:001 (1) -
•00:26:473 (2) - The rhythm was pretty good until you add a clap at the end of this slider. It doesn't fit with the first part, which should have the same consistency. So to fix this, delete the clap at the end of the slider and replace it by a whistle instead.
•00:30:199 - Well, that's the same thing here. To make it consistent with the point above and the first part, delete the clap at the end of the slider and replace it by a whistle.
•00:30:945 (1) - This seems weird to don't have the finish after that clap on the last downbeat (the big-white-line). If you were trying to keep the consistency, you would have replaced the whistle by a finish. Also, it sounds more good with the finish than the whistle. In conclusion: Replace the whistle by a finish.
•00:33:181 - Same as the points above: Delete this clap. It just don't fit here and you have two claps in a row. Instead of having nothing here, add a whistle.
•00:55:541 - You can skip this one if you want, but I think a finish will sound good here with the last slider.
•01:02:248 - I don't know if I pointed it some points above but, the whistle doesn't belong here, it would have been better if you kept the consistency with your finishes. So: Replace the whistle by a finish.
•01:05:230 - Same as the point above.
•01:14:174 - I understand why you've added a whistle here instead of a finish (Like the two points above), but in my opinion, a finish sounds better and it keeps the consistency. So it's up to you, but a finish seems way more better than a whistle c:
Objects mod
This box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:20:510 (2) - The flow here, is not really good. The flow should have been like this, but it goes like this. Here's another example of a good flow: 00:32:435 (3,4) -
•01:11:192 (3) - I don't think it sounds good the way it is. I'm suggesting you to delete the next circle (4) and make a reverse arrow to this slider. I think it could be better with the rhythm.
•00:20:510 (2) - The flow here, is not really good. The flow should have been like this, but it goes like this. Here's another example of a good flow: 00:32:435 (3,4) -
•01:11:192 (3) - I don't think it sounds good the way it is. I'm suggesting you to delete the next circle (4) and make a reverse arrow to this slider. I think it could be better with the rhythm.
Combo mod
This box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)
•00:27:963 (3) - Add a new combo here. Look at the other combos, it had three objects per combos. But this time, the spinner counts for an object in this combo. (Hope you understand). Also, it will be better with a new combo because of the song. It has like a "new chorus" (I didn't knew what to say here)
•00:33:926 (4) - It would be good to add a new combo here, it will follow the song even if it's only a two-circles-combo.
•01:11:192 (3) - Same as the point above. Add a new combo to follow the song.
•00:27:963 (3) - Add a new combo here. Look at the other combos, it had three objects per combos. But this time, the spinner counts for an object in this combo. (Hope you understand). Also, it will be better with a new combo because of the song. It has like a "new chorus" (I didn't knew what to say here)
•00:33:926 (4) - It would be good to add a new combo here, it will follow the song even if it's only a two-circles-combo.
•01:11:192 (3) - Same as the point above. Add a new combo to follow the song.
[Normal]
To be honest, the circle size seems to be too small with the approach rate for a Normal.. maybe it's just me.Hitsounds mod
This box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
•00:17:529 (3) - I've tried to look for the consistency of your hitsounds and this clap seems to don't fit at all. It should be replaced by a whistle instead which will be less annoying to have two claps in a row.
•00:19:019 - I also saw on the previous difficulty that you've added a whistle instead of a finish. To be honest, it doesn't make it more loud with a finish and it keeps the consistency by adding a finish instead of a whistle. So the conclusion here: Replace the whistle by a finish; It will keep the consistency.
•00:20:510 (3) - Is it a copy/paste of this slider 00:17:529 (3) - ? LOL. Actually, it's the same thing here, the clap to the slidertail doesn't sounds good, also, as mentionned to the point above, "it won't make it louder with a finish", but this clap is too loud, unfortunatly. So I would like you to keep the consistency here by replacing the clap by a whistle.
•00:22:001 (1) - It will be better if you add a finish here instead to keep the consistency with your finish, clap, finish on the downbeat.
•00:27:218 - nendlwednlkwenlknwelrk. I don't understand this clap here! Q.Q. It just kills all the consistency without a whistle ;-;... Replace the clap by a whistle please..
•00:28:336 (1) - Have you forgot to add a clap here? I meant, a clap without custom sounds. It will be better with a clap so it will keep the consistency.
•00:30:199 - Hi there clap. Replace it by a whistle.
•00:30:945 - Shouldn't this whistle be replaced by a finish? (I feel like repeating myself o.o); But yeah, anyways. Like some points above, "it won't make it louder with a finish". Replace the whistle by a finish, the consistency will be followed.
•00:33:181 - Replace the clap by a whistle, it will keep the consistency.
•00:54:795 (3,4,5) - Oh gawd, that clap spam. To be honest, it fits pretty well, but I don't like it. Can you do like this: 00:11:939 (2,3) -, it's like.. more soft?
Sorry, for the points above, I've became really lazy..
•01:10:447 - Replace it by a whistle instead.
•01:13:428 - Same thing as above.
•01:14:174 - Replace this whistle by a finish.
•01:16:410 - Replace this clap by a whistle
•00:17:529 (3) - I've tried to look for the consistency of your hitsounds and this clap seems to don't fit at all. It should be replaced by a whistle instead which will be less annoying to have two claps in a row.
•00:19:019 - I also saw on the previous difficulty that you've added a whistle instead of a finish. To be honest, it doesn't make it more loud with a finish and it keeps the consistency by adding a finish instead of a whistle. So the conclusion here: Replace the whistle by a finish; It will keep the consistency.
•00:20:510 (3) - Is it a copy/paste of this slider 00:17:529 (3) - ? LOL. Actually, it's the same thing here, the clap to the slidertail doesn't sounds good, also, as mentionned to the point above, "it won't make it louder with a finish", but this clap is too loud, unfortunatly. So I would like you to keep the consistency here by replacing the clap by a whistle.
•00:22:001 (1) - It will be better if you add a finish here instead to keep the consistency with your finish, clap, finish on the downbeat.
•00:27:218 - nendlwednlkwenlknwelrk. I don't understand this clap here! Q.Q. It just kills all the consistency without a whistle ;-;... Replace the clap by a whistle please..
•00:28:336 (1) - Have you forgot to add a clap here? I meant, a clap without custom sounds. It will be better with a clap so it will keep the consistency.
•00:30:199 - Hi there clap. Replace it by a whistle.
•00:30:945 - Shouldn't this whistle be replaced by a finish? (I feel like repeating myself o.o); But yeah, anyways. Like some points above, "it won't make it louder with a finish". Replace the whistle by a finish, the consistency will be followed.
•00:33:181 - Replace the clap by a whistle, it will keep the consistency.
•00:54:795 (3,4,5) - Oh gawd, that clap spam. To be honest, it fits pretty well, but I don't like it. Can you do like this: 00:11:939 (2,3) -, it's like.. more soft?
Sorry, for the points above, I've became really lazy..
•01:10:447 - Replace it by a whistle instead.
•01:13:428 - Same thing as above.
•01:14:174 - Replace this whistle by a finish.
•01:16:410 - Replace this clap by a whistle
Objects mod
This box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:55:168 (4) - What do you think of doing something like this? It seems to be good, in my opinion.
•01:09:702 (5) - This slider could have been more smooth. The way it is right now.. it looks odd.
•00:55:168 (4) - What do you think of doing something like this? It seems to be good, in my opinion.
•01:09:702 (5) - This slider could have been more smooth. The way it is right now.. it looks odd.
Combo mod
This box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)
•01:18:646 (1) - With the song, the combos should be like that.
•01:18:646 (1) - With the song, the combos should be like that.
[TicClick]
Hitsounds mod
This box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
TicClick, I'm inlove with your hitsounds. They're perfectly following each others and these whistle sliderslide are <3
The only thing I didn't liked, was the whistle spam at the beginning. For an example: 00:01:132 (1,2) - . But still, it follow the music pretty well!
Good job~
TicClick, I'm inlove with your hitsounds. They're perfectly following each others and these whistle sliderslide are <3
The only thing I didn't liked, was the whistle spam at the beginning. For an example: 00:01:132 (1,2) - . But still, it follow the music pretty well!
Good job~
Objects mod
This box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:11:566 (1,2,3,4,5) - I like what you did there with the circle (5). But I have a suggestion here: You should actually make it for the whole combo. Here's a picture of what I meant: [img=http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/490055]Clic me.[/img] I placed these circles like that with the Approach circle. But you're able to do it by playing with the distance snap.
•00:20:137 (4) - Can you move this circle somewhere else so it won't be overlapped with 00:19:019 (1) - ?
•00:36:907 (2) - Same thing as I said above. Because it looks ugly when objects are touching each others.
•00:11:566 (1,2,3,4,5) - I like what you did there with the circle (5). But I have a suggestion here: You should actually make it for the whole combo. Here's a picture of what I meant: [img=http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/490055]Clic me.[/img] I placed these circles like that with the Approach circle. But you're able to do it by playing with the distance snap.
•00:20:137 (4) - Can you move this circle somewhere else so it won't be overlapped with 00:19:019 (1) - ?
•00:36:907 (2) - Same thing as I said above. Because it looks ugly when objects are touching each others.
Combo mod
This box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)
I looked at the combo twice and found nothing. Actually, I would have given you some suggestion, but I've kind of "read on your mind" and thought it was pretty good the way it is.
I looked at the combo twice and found nothing. Actually, I would have given you some suggestion, but I've kind of "read on your mind" and thought it was pretty good the way it is.
[bomber34]
Hitsounds mod
This box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
•Two things that I didn't liked here: The normal whistles at the beginning and then *boom* it goes to claps without consistency. You should pay attention here to make your hitsound consistent and have soft whistles. You can look at the other difficulty to have an example. So for now.. I will mod your hitsounds the way you've did it.. Also, with your hitsounds, try to be logic. By this i meant, don't add random hitsounds because you think it sounds good. It must have atleast some consistent.
•00:05:604 (1,2,3,4) - Seems like you've stopped to add whistle here and restart after the combo. Actually, it may be bad because it sounds empty. My suggestion here will too add whistles to the circle 2 and 4. With the way you've placed your previous whistles, it will be better with adding some there.
•00:09:889 (6,1) - Of these two combos, do you see something different? I've said to two points above and it's what I didn't liked. Having alot of whistles and then it magicaly goes to claps. Try to keep all your whistle and start doing clap consistency at 00:13:057 (4) - .
•00:16:038 - Since you have a clap here and a clap at the slidertail, it would be better if you replace the clap by a finish.
•00:44:361 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I have a suggestion here that may fit your song better. Delete add the hitsounds to these objects and add whistles to 00:44:361 (1) - , 00:44:640 (3) - , 00:44:920 (5) - , 00:45:106 (6) - , 00:45:385. Try to keep that consistency with the next combos.
•Two things that I didn't liked here: The normal whistles at the beginning and then *boom* it goes to claps without consistency. You should pay attention here to make your hitsound consistent and have soft whistles. You can look at the other difficulty to have an example. So for now.. I will mod your hitsounds the way you've did it.. Also, with your hitsounds, try to be logic. By this i meant, don't add random hitsounds because you think it sounds good. It must have atleast some consistent.
•00:05:604 (1,2,3,4) - Seems like you've stopped to add whistle here and restart after the combo. Actually, it may be bad because it sounds empty. My suggestion here will too add whistles to the circle 2 and 4. With the way you've placed your previous whistles, it will be better with adding some there.
•00:09:889 (6,1) - Of these two combos, do you see something different? I've said to two points above and it's what I didn't liked. Having alot of whistles and then it magicaly goes to claps. Try to keep all your whistle and start doing clap consistency at 00:13:057 (4) - .
•00:16:038 - Since you have a clap here and a clap at the slidertail, it would be better if you replace the clap by a finish.
•00:44:361 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I have a suggestion here that may fit your song better. Delete add the hitsounds to these objects and add whistles to 00:44:361 (1) - , 00:44:640 (3) - , 00:44:920 (5) - , 00:45:106 (6) - , 00:45:385. Try to keep that consistency with the next combos.
Objects mod
This box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:19:578 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - These circles should make a better square form here.
•00:20:883 - Do this slider has to have this form? It looks very weird. Try to make something else.
•00:19:578 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - These circles should make a better square form here.
•00:20:883 - Do this slider has to have this form? It looks very weird. Try to make something else.
Combo mod
This box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)
•00:36:535 - Add a new combo here, it seems to be better like this because of the last pattern.
•00:41:007 (4) - Add a new combo here, it will follow the song.
•00:42:125 (7) - Same thing as above, same reason.
•00:36:535 - Add a new combo here, it seems to be better like this because of the last pattern.
•00:41:007 (4) - Add a new combo here, it will follow the song.
•00:42:125 (7) - Same thing as above, same reason.
[Jenny]
DAT BG IS SO CUTEEE<3•00:14:734 (6,7,8) - Why that inconsistent spacing? ;o
•00:35:789 (2,3) - These two sliders could be the same as the previous slider (1)
And I guess you copy/paste the first Kiai time for the second. So yeah, that's all I had to say here.
[OnosakiHito]
Erm, I have nothing to say here. Played it twice and it seems perfect.Good job, like always.
Good luck with your map, catch this!
Gabe wrote:
[Jenny]DAT BG IS SO CUTEEE<3
•00:14:734 (6,7,8) - Why that inconsistent spacing? ;o - that is because the following tripplet has a stronger impact and thus feels more natural this way; the stronger the impact, the "harder" the mapping
•00:35:789 (2,3) - These two sliders could be the same as the previous slider (1) - i think the current suits quite well, recycling and rotating the slider feels too monotoneous and makes the sliders feel clunchy to each other
gonna fix that or so or so not or so, so ....Gabe wrote:
Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions. I just wanted to point things that may be helpful for the ranking:[bomber34]Hitsounds modThis box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions oh shit hitsounds. Something i don't really care for, because I don't pay attention to that useless thing while playing
•Two things that I didn't liked here: The normal whistles at the beginning and then *boom* it goes to claps without consistency. You should pay attention here to make your hitsound consistent and have soft whistles. You can look at the other difficulty to have an example. So for now.. I will mod your hitsounds the way you've did it.. Also, with your hitsounds, try to be logic. By this i meant, don't add random hitsounds because you think it sounds good. It must have atleast some consistent. Normal Hitsounds sound better, to use soft whistles would mean adding extra hitsound mp3 which stefan would have to upload and a lot of green lines. But meh we have the new hitsound feature so okay ... which don't work as well
•00:05:604 (1,2,3,4) - Seems like you've stopped to add whistle here and restart after the combo. Actually, it may be bad because it sounds empty. My suggestion here will too add whistles to the circle 2 and 4. With the way you've placed your previous whistles, it will be better with adding some there.
•00:09:889 (6,1) - Of these two combos, do you see something different? I've said to two points above and it's what I didn't liked. Having alot of whistles and then it magicaly goes to claps. Try to keep all your whistle and start doing clap consistency at 00:13:057 (4) - .
•00:16:038 - Since you have a clap here and a clap at the slidertail, it would be better if you replace the clap by a finish.
•00:44:361 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I have a suggestion here that may fit your song better. Delete add the hitsounds to these objects and add whistles to 00:44:361 (1) - , 00:44:640 (3) - , 00:44:920 (5) - , 00:45:106 (6) - , 00:45:385. Try to keep that consistency with the next combos.
To be honest I've done not much with your suggestions. I just removed all normal whisltes except chorus KIAI time part. Maybe they aren't the best it could be but i think they are "better". Redone some parts uhh i think that's itObjects modThis box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:19:578 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - These circles should make a better square form here. meh a normal square doesn't look so good I changed it a little bit to make it more symmetrical though
•00:20:883 - Do this slider has to have this form? It looks very weird. Try to make something else. personally I don't see your problems. I improved it tough, thx to the new slider algorythmCombo modThis box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)
•00:36:535 - Add a new combo here, it seems to be better like this because of the last pattern. For some reason I would like to reject this because I actually like the way the follow dots work (which is a weird argument though). I also saw that I use the same "combo" pattern at the end and i start a new combo on 00:37:653 (1) - I take it
•00:41:007 (4) - Add a new combo here, it will follow the song. see stuff ^
•00:42:125 (7) - Same thing as above, same reason. one more time ^
lol fixed inconsistancy of KIAI time (nobody noticed ...)
CLICK ME I AM UP TO DATE UNLESS I GET REPLACED
I didn't fix:
a) whistle spam (can't reduce it and still continue following the song)
b) the "whole combo" suggestion, because I don't like it the way you suggested; it's meant to be a single jump, not spacing increase
c) the first "overlap", because it's nearly invisible even in editor.
http://puu.sh/1pt7V
a) whistle spam (can't reduce it and still continue following the song)
b) the "whole combo" suggestion, because I don't like it the way you suggested; it's meant to be a single jump, not spacing increase
c) the first "overlap", because it's nearly invisible even in editor.
http://puu.sh/1pt7V
Topic Starter
Except of the Things I quoted I took every suggestion, thanks.Gabe wrote:
Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions. I just wanted to point things that may be helpful for the ranking:[Easy]Hitsounds modThis box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
•00:55:541 - You can skip this one if you want, but I think a finish will sound good here with the last slider. I perfer the Claps for now.Objects modThis box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:20:510 (2) - The flow here, is not really good. The flow should have been like this, but it goes like this. Here's another example of a good flow: 00:32:435 (3,4) - I've changed this on my purposes.Combo modThis box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)[Normal]To be honest, the circle size seems to be too small with the approach rate for a Normal.. maybe it's just me. I see no problems behind of it.Hitsounds modThis box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
•00:30:945 - Shouldn't this whistle be replaced by a finish? (I feel like repeating myself o.o); But yeah, anyways. Like some points above, "it won't make it louder with a finish". Replace the whistle by a finish, the consistency will be followed. This is actually wrong. When I add at 00:30:199 Whistle and at 00:30:572 Clap (imagine a Circle or so here) the Finish after the Clap would be totally fine.
•00:54:795 (3,4,5) - Oh gawd, that clap spam. To be honest, it fits pretty well, but I don't like it. Can you do like this: 00:11:939 (2,3) -, it's like.. more soft? Sounds not epic, tbh. lol
Sorry, for the points above, I've became really lazy.. I can understand it. lolObjects modThis box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.Combo modThis box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)
Good luck with your map, catch this!
It's okay (I'm used to that >>)... so cute to greet anyways, so greetings back to a crazy Canadian /o/Gabe wrote:
Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions.
/me runs~
to, a, crazy, canadian?Nitojgrem wrote:
It's okay (I'm used to that >>)... so cute to greet anyways, so greetings back to a crazy Canadian /o/Gabe wrote:
Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions.
/me runs~
How can I be Crazy?
Topic Starter
Do I have something to say?
That doesnt count, young lady.Stefan wrote:
Do I have something to say?
can't remember how I got a request to this map w
[TicC!ick's Hard]
oh, the 'Is' in taiko bg really caught my eyes.
[TicC!ick's Hard]
- the sliderwhistles are ok, but plz get a blank soft-sliderslide, to make it not sound like the hitnormal is lasting loooong. ya I mean that 2 sliders.
- Insane is not really common for touhou map, consider Lunatic as dif name.
- 00:35:417 ~ 00:44:361 - reset whistles to the 2nd and 3rd whilte ticks for 1/2 notes
- 00:56:286 (4) - replace with a 1/1 slider? felt too empty as the starting of KIAI
- 01:00:758 (1) - a 1/1 slider repeats once and work and sound better than this. as if you're trying to make a short rest time for players/
- 01:08:211 - I'm expecting something different with the things before. the keyboard is the most exciting part for this music ;(
- 01:19:577 - better no empty if you're doing something 01:19:018 (2) - , or you'll break the rhythm. it repeats for times
- 01:23:118 - can be stronger as the volume is rapidly raised i'd say
- most well done hitsound in this set, good job.
- the whistles in last part is good, but other things are way too random. keep drums in heavy beats, finish as starting of a whole part. maybe you can try whistle or something else only on 3rd whitletick.
- 00:37:466 (1) - remove?
oh, the 'Is' in taiko bg really caught my eyes.
Alright! Stefan, please add this file to the map's directory (blank soft-sliderslide): http://puu.sh/1rEyA
yay modfix incomingColin Hou wrote:
[bomber's Insane]
- Insane is not really common for touhou map, consider Lunatic as dif name. depends on what people understand of Lunatic xD meh I just rename it to that
- 00:35:417 ~ 00:44:361 - reset whistles to the 2nd and 3rd whilte ticks for 1/2 notes ??? and I think Hitsounds are fine there as they are
- 00:56:286 (4) - replace with a 1/1 slider? felt too empty as the starting of KIAI uhh I guess there is room for improvement for that slider xD
- 01:00:758 (1) - a 1/1 slider repeats once and work and sound better than this. as if you're trying to make a short rest time for players/ Not sure if that 1/1 repeat slider is that much better than a spinner which can be cleared with low spinrate but oh well
- 01:08:211 - I'm expecting something different with the things before. the keyboard is the most exciting part for this music ;( what do you mean? anyway added some sliders, changed pattern a tiny bit.
- 01:19:577 - better no empty if you're doing something 01:19:018 (2) - , or you'll break the rhythm. it repeats for times ?? what? no change. Don't understand what breaks rythm there o,o
- 01:23:118 - can be stronger as the volume is rapidly raised i'd say What can be stronger? I don't see the point to raise volume if you mean that
- most well done hitsound in this set, good job. really? I mean really?
th10 MoF in tags? also Shizuha is useless tag, bcz it's a boss theme and boss is Minoriko :<
nokd, y know/dissappears
nokd, y know/dissappears
Topic Starter
Uhh.. I totally forgot over the time to add these Tags. Anyway, aren't Minoriko and Shizuha sisters or something else? u.u
this, but you're mapped the boss theme, so i guess no need to tag midboss
Topic Starter
Alright, gonna remove it with the next update. zzzzzzzzzz
ty Colin, if you remember, I requested that map once in the morning =w=/Colin Hou wrote:
can't remember how I got a request to this map w
CTB diff calls for sunglasses
And 'bout my diff, I know that it's a (hyper-)dashjumpdiff.... fourth (?) person who mentioned that now /o/ never ever again =.=
Hi ~ Stefan ~
Mod time for my Queue ~
Red : Must be fixed
Pink : Should be fixed
Purple : Just suggestions
OK ~ Hope this can help you ~
Good luck with rank ~
Mod time for my Queue ~
Red : Must be fixed
Pink : Should be fixed
Purple : Just suggestions
[General]
- Inconsistency in Timing,pls check and fix.
[Jenny]
- 00:37:653 (1) - End point stack on 00:36:721 (2),like this.
- 01:20:882 (1) - Same as above.
[bomber's Lunatic]
- 00:54:050 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Make a symmetry with 00:53:305 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7).
[Normal]
- HP-1 is better.
- 00:55:354 - Remove claps and Add to 00:55:168,sound better IMO.
- 01:09:329 (4,6) - Make a symmetry?
[Easy]
- 01:08:956 (1) - Add new combo,follow with parttern.
- 01:20:882 (3) - Move 1 grid left,symmetry with 01:18:646 (1).
OK ~ Hope this can help you ~
Good luck with rank ~
Topic Starter
Kinda lacks on real helpful Suggestions.. meh.. fixed the Timing Issue. bomber fixed his Diff too. Waiting for the Rest.
Also, I don't see why no Recheck since you did you found many things.
Also, I don't see why no Recheck since you did you found many things.
k, never mind.
Topic Starter
Regarding CTB diff: Yes, it's a jumpy one and nobody can neglect that. I've done a recheck to it and I haven't found any vissible: the patterns are pretty solid, the gameplay quite fluid (according to the melody notes), and the hitsounding is just perfect.
Due to the density of HDashes I just can suggest renaming it to Overdose, but apart of that the difficulty is more than ready to be enjoyed by the whole community.
@Stefan: Probably the fact that it's not bubbled yet was because of "Inconsistency in Timing". However, I'm not a MAT so I don't know how the bubbling criteria is ^^"
Due to the density of HDashes I just can suggest renaming it to Overdose, but apart of that the difficulty is more than ready to be enjoyed by the whole community.
@Stefan: Probably the fact that it's not bubbled yet was because of "Inconsistency in Timing". However, I'm not a MAT so I don't know how the bubbling criteria is ^^"
Ty Deif ;3; ... and well, I won't call it an Overdose, netherless the huge amount of HDashes. It's still a too easy diff imo as that I'd call it an Overdose. As you just showed, it's possible to SS it with first try and my definition of an Overdose means as well that it's harder than a Rain (and not just counting the HDashes...).Deif wrote:
Regarding CTB diff: Yes, it's a jumpy one and nobody can neglect that. I've done a recheck to it and I haven't found any vissible: the patterns are pretty solid, the gameplay quite fluid (according to the melody notes), and the hitsounding is just perfect.
Due to the density of HDashes I just can suggest renaming it to Overdose, but apart of that the difficulty is more than ready to be enjoyed by the whole community.
@Stefan: Probably the fact that it's not bubbled yet was because of "Inconsistency in Timing". However, I'm not a MAT so I don't know how the bubbling criteria is ^^"
But what I can think of as a change is actually to remove the "CTB" o: (so probably do so Stefan o:)
alright my turn~. mod requested on my queue.
Bold: Unrankable/must fix.
Red: You should fix it, but it's up to you.
Italic: Suggestion. Feel free to ignore this if you don't like it.
Blue: Comment. I'll give you my opinion, advice, or if i'm curious about something.
[General]
CLEAR~!
[Easy]
00:10:076 (1) - i find the finish at the end of this slider unfitting. it completely ruins the flow in the hitsounds IMO. i think replacing this for a whistle works as it sounds just right to the point that it doesn't sound unfitting at all IMO.
00:13:057 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - i'm feeling a whistle on the (3)'s because it sounds empty without that sound. it'll also give off a nice whistle-clap pattern which will make the transition somewhat smoother during gameplay IMO, or you can change the pattern for this. it should be clap-whistle-clap instead of whistle-clap whistle because the hitsound pattern in this sounds completely odd and unfitting during gameplay IMO.
00:35:417 (1,2,1) - if you wanna keep the spinner, then remove (1,2) and start the spinner at where (1) is to follow the trumpet, but if you wanna keep the sliders, then delete the spinner and add notes that will follow the piano for this part of the song. it has to flow equally because this pattern threw me off for a bit.
00:51:069 (1) - i'm not very fond of this slider. i can see the blanket in this part, but the flow in this slider plays awkwardly during gameplay. perhaps you can do this as it flows a lot smoother during gameplay IMO.
00:54:795 (2) - make this a straight slider instead. like i said, the flow here plays awkwardly considering that it takes an uneasy path, ruining the feeling of the song.
01:18:646 (1,2,3,4,1) - same as 00:35:417.
[Normal]
00:10:076 (1) - remove the finish on the repeat. it sounds unfitting and i feel that it doesn't belong there. it should be evened out with the easy diff considering it has finishes on the beginning and end in this part.
00:14:547 (3) - there should be a default clap at the repeat arrow for a consistent clap pattern IMO.
00:18:647 - add a circle here. it'll make a smooth transition because the next combo is going around in a circle from this circle, therefore, the flow should increase a bit during gameplay.
00:35:417 (1,2,3,4,1) - same as easy.
01:04:112 (4) - the finish here sounds too distracting and i find it unfitting with this part. a whistle should work as it goes along with the BGM in this part of the song. so to put it in simple terms, replace the finish for a whistle.
01:04:857 - add a circle here because the transition would look a lot smoother getting to the next combo during gameplay IMO.
01:05:602 - and here as well. it'll be consistent with the previous pattern since there are notes that follow the BGM in that part.
[TicC!ick's Hard]
00:01:877 (2) - if you can make this slider look like (1), the transition would look a lot smoother during gameplay.
still a good hard diff. gj on this
[Ono's Taiko Oni]
no problems here.
[Nito's CtB Rain]
same as the taiko diff.
[bomber's Lunatic]
no problems here.
[Jenny~]
00:11:100 (7,8) - stack these notes. it'll be consistent with the other stacks in the song. this might throw players off when they play this song blindly.
00:44:081 (4,5,6,7) - the flow here is disrupted because it's in a stack. the stack in this is similar to flooring in the brakes when you drive, in other words; panicking in the last second. space this out to a stream so that the transition looks smoother during gmeplay.
01:27:310 (4,5,6,7) - ^
and that's it. sorry but i'm feeling hesitant about bubbling this. the flow overall felt a bit uneasy for me. anyways GL.
Bold: Unrankable/must fix.
Red: You should fix it, but it's up to you.
Italic: Suggestion. Feel free to ignore this if you don't like it.
Blue: Comment. I'll give you my opinion, advice, or if i'm curious about something.
[General]
CLEAR~!
[Easy]
00:10:076 (1) - i find the finish at the end of this slider unfitting. it completely ruins the flow in the hitsounds IMO. i think replacing this for a whistle works as it sounds just right to the point that it doesn't sound unfitting at all IMO.
00:13:057 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - i'm feeling a whistle on the (3)'s because it sounds empty without that sound. it'll also give off a nice whistle-clap pattern which will make the transition somewhat smoother during gameplay IMO, or you can change the pattern for this. it should be clap-whistle-clap instead of whistle-clap whistle because the hitsound pattern in this sounds completely odd and unfitting during gameplay IMO.
00:35:417 (1,2,1) - if you wanna keep the spinner, then remove (1,2) and start the spinner at where (1) is to follow the trumpet, but if you wanna keep the sliders, then delete the spinner and add notes that will follow the piano for this part of the song. it has to flow equally because this pattern threw me off for a bit.
00:51:069 (1) - i'm not very fond of this slider. i can see the blanket in this part, but the flow in this slider plays awkwardly during gameplay. perhaps you can do this as it flows a lot smoother during gameplay IMO.
00:54:795 (2) - make this a straight slider instead. like i said, the flow here plays awkwardly considering that it takes an uneasy path, ruining the feeling of the song.
01:18:646 (1,2,3,4,1) - same as 00:35:417.
[Normal]
00:10:076 (1) - remove the finish on the repeat. it sounds unfitting and i feel that it doesn't belong there. it should be evened out with the easy diff considering it has finishes on the beginning and end in this part.
00:14:547 (3) - there should be a default clap at the repeat arrow for a consistent clap pattern IMO.
00:18:647 - add a circle here. it'll make a smooth transition because the next combo is going around in a circle from this circle, therefore, the flow should increase a bit during gameplay.
00:35:417 (1,2,3,4,1) - same as easy.
01:04:112 (4) - the finish here sounds too distracting and i find it unfitting with this part. a whistle should work as it goes along with the BGM in this part of the song. so to put it in simple terms, replace the finish for a whistle.
01:04:857 - add a circle here because the transition would look a lot smoother getting to the next combo during gameplay IMO.
01:05:602 - and here as well. it'll be consistent with the previous pattern since there are notes that follow the BGM in that part.
[TicC!ick's Hard]
00:01:877 (2) - if you can make this slider look like (1), the transition would look a lot smoother during gameplay.
still a good hard diff. gj on this
[Ono's Taiko Oni]
no problems here.
[Nito's CtB Rain]
same as the taiko diff.
[bomber's Lunatic]
no problems here.
[Jenny~]
00:11:100 (7,8) - stack these notes. it'll be consistent with the other stacks in the song. this might throw players off when they play this song blindly.
00:44:081 (4,5,6,7) - the flow here is disrupted because it's in a stack. the stack in this is similar to flooring in the brakes when you drive, in other words; panicking in the last second. space this out to a stream so that the transition looks smoother during gmeplay.
01:27:310 (4,5,6,7) - ^
and that's it. sorry but i'm feeling hesitant about bubbling this. the flow overall felt a bit uneasy for me. anyways GL.
Topic Starter
Since I ask the most part of the active MATs which reject to help me to get this ranked, I've stop working on the Map.
(Gonna look later at your Mod, Bya)
Thanks to all which took care about the Map (Timing, Modding, etc.)
(Gonna look later at your Mod, Bya)
Thanks to all which took care about the Map (Timing, Modding, etc.)
When playing, I personally don't find it "not smooth enough", although I get what you mean. Another possible solution is to rotate the square notes, but it will take some.. time to fix patterns following them.Byakugan249 wrote:
[TicC!ick's Hard]
00:01:877 (2) - if you can make this slider look like (1), the transition would look a lot smoother during gameplay.
Did send update to Stefan.
Topic Starter
So I've caught some opinions by people and yeah.. bomber & Jenny, guckt einfach mal, wie man eure Diffs ansieht:
Topic Starter
Removed bomber's Diff, it will be available as seperate Download. And some changed have been made at Jenny.
I am not really happy about this, but well, I don't expect so much anymore of some people.
I am not really happy about this, but well, I don't expect so much anymore of some people.
Well that's not really surprising after he got that bad of a response and no of the... how many do we have in total here?... mods helped that much to improve the map... D:Stefan wrote:
Removed bomber's Diff, it will be available as seperate Download. And some changed have been made at Jenny.
I am not really happy about this, but well, I don't expect so much anymore of some people.
Well, hopefully this map gets now a chance... or so =.=
R.I.P. bomber's Lunatic. ='(
Shohei Ohtani
Damn Inada is a bitch.
Overall
00:46:597 - Useless timing point
Insane:
00:08:771 (2,3,4) - Awkward return to normal spacing after a random jump. Possibly even it out (either all jumps, or all together)
00:52:373 (1) - Completely random and awkward jump. It's in the middle of a musical phrase
01:13:615 (7) - It might be a good idea to even this out.
Hard:
00:37:653 (1) - Spinner seems a bit random
Normal:
Tickrate 1
Probably get rid of the snare hitsounds that aren't on 2 and 4. They sound weird.
Make your claps more consistent on 2 and 4 (For softer sections use whistles on 2 and 4)
00:37:653 (1) - Same as hard
Easy:
Tickrate 1
It's fine just boring.
yay
Overall
00:46:597 - Useless timing point
Insane:
00:08:771 (2,3,4) - Awkward return to normal spacing after a random jump. Possibly even it out (either all jumps, or all together)
00:52:373 (1) - Completely random and awkward jump. It's in the middle of a musical phrase
01:13:615 (7) - It might be a good idea to even this out.
Hard:
00:37:653 (1) - Spinner seems a bit random
Normal:
Tickrate 1
Probably get rid of the snare hitsounds that aren't on 2 and 4. They sound weird.
Make your claps more consistent on 2 and 4 (For softer sections use whistles on 2 and 4)
00:37:653 (1) - Same as hard
Easy:
Tickrate 1
It's fine just boring.
yay
General
You removed bomber's difficulty, remove his name from tags then.
Easy
00:37:653 (1) - Not sure I like the spinner end completely silenced. It ends on a sound so there should be something audible at the end.
00:51:069 (1) - Isn't a normal slider shape. a more normal shape would fit better. Perhaps choose a pattern that blankets with the previous slider. that would be the direction i would try to go with this.
Normal
00:07:840 (2) - 1 unit up.
00:10:076 (1) - Such a steep angle on this. It doesn't fit all that well IMO. You could tone down that curve and still have the same effect.
00:13:057 (1,2,3,4) - Make this curve better?
00:26:473 (3) - Doesn't match 00:27:963 (1) - all that well. ZUN maps are known for their nice slider symmetry and this is just distracting. The slider need more curves. I came up with this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/547846 Feel free to fix it your way.
00:37:653 (1) - Same comment as Easy
01:08:956 (1,2,3) - I would prefer a softer angle if at all possible.
01:17:155 (1,2,3) - Make spacing equal.
Hard
Amazing difficulty.
00:01:132 (1,2) - Why is this spacing 1.22 when the majority of spacings after it are 1.35. I suggest snapping to 1.3
01:05:230 (1,2,3) - Make spacing exactly 1.4.
01:08:956 (3) - Looks out of place to me. Maybe move to the right a bit or make it follow the pattern you were setting with the first two sliders. i'm not sure about that though since the slider seems to prefer forward flow. It's probably best just to tweak its current position.
01:18:273 - The flow wants to stop here. 6 is awkward to hit because of this.
Jenny
This difficulty has weird flow. It took awhile to get used to it. This mod is mostly me complaining about things that personally were awkward for me. I stopped mentioning them, because i'd much rather make a guest difficulty that fits my method of playing rather than force you to fix yours to fit my playing style.
00:08:585 (1,2,3,4,5) - Spacing is confusing. I think this 00:09:144 (4,5) - should reduce to 1.5 snap. that's a comfortable jump for me. If they are comfortable to you, you don't have to change on my accord. I can't read the song properly at 1.7ish snap.
00:09:703 (1,2) - These types of jumps are awkward for me at least. The way the song is, the sound before the jump makes me want to stop, but the jump requires a pretty large increase in speed. This is giving me mixed messages.
00:10:635 (5,1) - ^
00:11:380 (4,1) - Again 1.5 is comfortable for me. Anything large and this song flows poorly for my playing style.
00:12:312 - OMG this song and it's sounds that just want to stop the flow. IMO the whole next part should be 1.2 ish snap. You may keep the initial jump, but don't slow down the pacing for the triple just to go back into another jump.
You removed bomber's difficulty, remove his name from tags then.
Easy
00:37:653 (1) - Not sure I like the spinner end completely silenced. It ends on a sound so there should be something audible at the end.
00:51:069 (1) - Isn't a normal slider shape. a more normal shape would fit better. Perhaps choose a pattern that blankets with the previous slider. that would be the direction i would try to go with this.
Normal
00:07:840 (2) - 1 unit up.
00:10:076 (1) - Such a steep angle on this. It doesn't fit all that well IMO. You could tone down that curve and still have the same effect.
00:13:057 (1,2,3,4) - Make this curve better?
00:26:473 (3) - Doesn't match 00:27:963 (1) - all that well. ZUN maps are known for their nice slider symmetry and this is just distracting. The slider need more curves. I came up with this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/547846 Feel free to fix it your way.
00:37:653 (1) - Same comment as Easy
01:08:956 (1,2,3) - I would prefer a softer angle if at all possible.
01:17:155 (1,2,3) - Make spacing equal.
Hard
Amazing difficulty.
00:01:132 (1,2) - Why is this spacing 1.22 when the majority of spacings after it are 1.35. I suggest snapping to 1.3
01:05:230 (1,2,3) - Make spacing exactly 1.4.
01:08:956 (3) - Looks out of place to me. Maybe move to the right a bit or make it follow the pattern you were setting with the first two sliders. i'm not sure about that though since the slider seems to prefer forward flow. It's probably best just to tweak its current position.
01:18:273 - The flow wants to stop here. 6 is awkward to hit because of this.
Jenny
This difficulty has weird flow. It took awhile to get used to it. This mod is mostly me complaining about things that personally were awkward for me. I stopped mentioning them, because i'd much rather make a guest difficulty that fits my method of playing rather than force you to fix yours to fit my playing style.
00:08:585 (1,2,3,4,5) - Spacing is confusing. I think this 00:09:144 (4,5) - should reduce to 1.5 snap. that's a comfortable jump for me. If they are comfortable to you, you don't have to change on my accord. I can't read the song properly at 1.7ish snap.
00:09:703 (1,2) - These types of jumps are awkward for me at least. The way the song is, the sound before the jump makes me want to stop, but the jump requires a pretty large increase in speed. This is giving me mixed messages.
00:10:635 (5,1) - ^
00:11:380 (4,1) - Again 1.5 is comfortable for me. Anything large and this song flows poorly for my playing style.
00:12:312 - OMG this song and it's sounds that just want to stop the flow. IMO the whole next part should be 1.2 ish snap. You may keep the initial jump, but don't slow down the pacing for the triple just to go back into another jump.
Can't get my puush client working at the moment, so here's the link (mind the "RAW paste data" field below): [TicCl!ck's Hard]
P.S. Applied both mods (every single suggestion, I think?..)
P.S. Applied both mods (every single suggestion, I think?..)
Here's my difficulty. I felt there needed more jumps, so I added some. A few bits I'm not entirely happy with and will keep working on it.
http://puu.sh/1HmS6
http://puu.sh/1HmS6
Topic Starter
- Easy/Normal got remapped.. for the 3rd damn time.
- TVO's Diff got added.
- Changes at Tic's Diff.
- Tags are fixed now.
Moar mods pls.
- TVO's Diff got added.
- Changes at Tic's Diff.
- Tags are fixed now.
Moar mods pls.
Doublepost there - y u use me BG?! \`A´/
I stole your difficulty to make mine. I don't care what background it has. I thought they all had the same bg. Change my background to whatever you feel fits.
Uhhh new diff added recently. Get at least 3 viable mods for this diff and I'll see what we can do about a bubble. I'll keep this in my queue and hopefully some of the FFA modders will give this one a try.
Sort of self-modding. Also, I thought TVO has made a Normal, not Lunatic.
[General]
[General]
Nothing, I hopeTiming is stll screwed up because 00:03:368 and 00:46:597 reset metronome, moving downbeat to the wrong place. So, we need to get a freaking final word from someone who knows things and has some time to speak the truth (or something realible, at least). As for me, my position is still the same (aka "we don't need an extra offset at the very beginning"), more details can be found here and here (the post below mine)
- 01:18:646 (1,3) - I would bend each of them to the oppisite side for a better look
- It still has bomber34 in tags
- 00:03:927 (7) - such a tiny piece of 1/8. Why don't you replace it with a single note placed at the red tick?
- 00:12:312 (3) - add a finish or simething?
- 00:12:498 - I wouldn't skip a beat here
- I see you use claps rarely, but could you add a constant 2-4 rhythm for the whole kiai time parts? It fits the song greatly, in my opinion, and other standard diffs have claps used on kiai
- 00:19:019 (7) - should be a new combo
- Since you mapped 00:19:578 (8), it'd be a bit strange to leave 00:20:324 without any sign of hit object
- 00:22:001 (1) - add something to the beginning (finish?)
- 00:23:491 (1) - better use a whistle rather than a clap sound
- 00:30:758 (7) - this clap sounds misplaced, seriously
- 00:45:851 (6,7) - consider bending them in another direction to get some piece, harmony and circular flow: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/565033
- 00:49:578 (3) - same, I guess? ^
- 00:54:050 (4,5,6) - wtf, it needs reshaping because of the same reason as above. Doesn't play well, in my opinion
- 00:55:541 (5) - shouldn't it have a finish?..
- 01:02:248 (1,2,3) - they do look strange because they are neither same nor placed symmetrically
- 01:05:230 (6) - new combo
- 01:06:720 (1) - a clap sounds bad here, because you put it on the downbeat
- 01:10:447 (1,2,3) - hitbursts from these three notes will probably cover 01:11:192 (1). Yeah it's not that bad, but still I see something similar to overlap
- 01:14:919 (5,6,7) - fix spacing (random trilpet check). Also, consider moving these two notes down a bit so they form a better semicircle together with the slider
- 01:15:664 (1) - remove clap due to the same reason as for 01:06:720 (1) ("a clap sounds bad here, because you put it on the downbeat")
- 01:17:155 (1) - some kind of finish would be appreciated, I think
- 01:17:900 (4) - whistle?
Don't worry, timing isn't wrong.
Thanks for the modTicClick wrote:
Sort of self-modding. Also, I thought TVO has made a Normal, not Lunatic. What???
[General]Normal
Nothing, I hopeTiming is stll screwed up because 00:03:368 and 00:46:597 reset metronome, moving downbeat to the wrong place. So, we need to get a freaking final word from someone who knows things and has some time to speak the truth (or something realible, at least). As for me, my position is still the same (aka "we don't need an extra offset at the very beginning"), more details can be found here and here (the post below mine)TicCl!ck's Hard
- 01:18:646 (1,3) - I would bend each of them to the oppisite side for a better look
Jenny
- It still has bomber34 in tags
[TVO's Lunatic]
- 00:03:927 (7) - such a tiny piece of 1/8. Why don't you replace it with a single note placed at the red tick?
The end is a bit boring. Yeah, guess that's all, good luck! i'm aware of that, but I wasn't quite happy with how the first section looked, so i decided to focus more on my patterns. I'm really not sure if I want to remap it or not. I changed one bit towards the end
- 00:12:312 (3) - add a finish or simething? I don't like how a finish sounds there.
- 00:12:498 - I wouldn't skip a beat here Added
- I see you use claps rarely, but could you add a constant 2-4 rhythm for the whole kiai time parts? It fits the song greatly, in my opinion, and other standard diffs have claps used on kiai Made it more consistent.
- 00:19:019 (7) - should be a new combo Agreed
- Since you mapped 00:19:578 (8), it'd be a bit strange to leave 00:20:324 without any sign of hit object Sure
- 00:22:001 (1) - add something to the beginning (finish?) Added finish
- 00:23:491 (1) - better use a whistle rather than a clap sound I guess although I did this for all these parts .
- 00:30:758 (7) - this clap sounds misplaced, seriously Agreed
- 00:45:851 (6,7) - consider bending them in another direction to get some piece, harmony and circular flow: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/565033 Nah. i like my current pattern here. Circular is overused.
- 00:49:578 (3) - same, I guess? ^ ^^^^
- 00:54:050 (4,5,6) - wtf, it needs reshaping because of the same reason as above. Doesn't play well, in my opinion Plays just fine on my end. I don't know what you had in mind.
- 00:55:541 (5) - shouldn't it have a finish?.. For the same reason as 12 seconds it doesn't sound like a finish.
- 01:02:248 (1,2,3) - they do look strange because they are neither same nor placed symmetrically Made them more similar, not exactly, because I feel the ending needs to be in a slightly different position.
- 01:05:230 (6) - new combo Yes
- 01:06:720 (1) - a clap sounds bad here, because you put it on the downbeat Changed
- 01:10:447 (1,2,3) - hitbursts from these three notes will probably cover 01:11:192 (1). Yeah it's not that bad, but still I see something similar to overlap I can't completely remove the overlap, but i put it in a more favorable location where the overlap doesn't matter as much.
- 01:14:919 (5,6,7) - fix spacing (random trilpet check). Also, consider moving these two notes down a bit so they form a better semicircle together with the slider I think fixed. I also cleaned up the transition through here.
- 01:15:664 (1) - remove clap due to the same reason as for 01:06:720 (1) ("a clap sounds bad here, because you put it on the downbeat") Yes yes
- 01:17:155 (1) - some kind of finish would be appreciated, I think okay
- 01:17:900 (4) - whistle? Yes
http://puu.sh/1MFjf
Then 00:04:113 with 00:07:094 and 00:10:076 and many other beats should be downbeats, but they aren't. Please, prove me wrong.those wrote:
Don't worry, timing isn't wrong.
Just to throw my opinion into the mix about the timing; I'm certain that you won't need the points at 00:03:368 and 00:46:597. You won't need to adjust offset at all there, and the metronome doesn't need resetting at that point; 4/4 all the way
While I'm here, here's my attempt at a complete timing. Feel free to check it out (or not, if you wish)
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 1128
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 12314
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 13059
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 35419
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 44363
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 55547
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 56292
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 78652
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 87596
While I'm here, here's my attempt at a complete timing. Feel free to check it out (or not, if you wish
)BPM: 161.00 Offset: 1128
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 12314
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 13059
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 35419
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 44363
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 55547
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 56292
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 78652
BPM: 161.00 Offset: 87596
No, they should not be down beats. It's all in the understanding of music theory; a short concise explanation can be found p/1783024TicClick wrote:
Then 00:04:113 with 00:07:094 and 00:10:076 and many other beats should be downbeats, but they aren't. Please, prove me wrong.those wrote:
Don't worry, timing isn't wrong.
Key words: "due to the nature of the chord". It's all in understanding how chord progressions work, where in time certain chords should be found, etc.
As requested, a mod on TVO's diff:
TVO's Lunatic
TVO's Lunatic
00:04:113 (1) - Finish on the head, you can definately hear a finish sound in the music
00:06:722 (8) - Remove finish, weird location for one
00:07:094 (1) - Add finish here instead?
00:09:889 (1) - This slider doesn't fit here, most likely because it starts on a red line
00:10:076 - After you fixed that slider, a finish sound would be fitting over here
00:13:616 (4,5) - I really dislike this overlap, it doesn't really feel good to play either
00:17:529 (1) - Would play better if this had a downward curve
00:19:578 (2,3) - Would be great if you could get these to start on the same location
00:27:218 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This could look way better, you should make the first 5 intro a smoother curve, then copy the first 4 and CTRL+H, J, G them to make a nice symmetric stream
00:30:945 (1) - Add finish
00:31:876 (6) - Put this one at x:256 y:304? Plays better, looks better
00:37:280 (3,4) - Switch these locations, plays a lot better
00:49:205 (2,3) - Such a weird jump. I think it'd better to rearrange this pattern actually
00:51:069 (3,5) - Switch whistle here
00:51:441 (1) - Whistle on end
00:53:677 (3,4) - The jump here is kind of awkward to play
00:54:050 (4,6) - Switch whistle again, this just sounds awkward
00:55:541 (5) - Add finish to follow the pattern a bit more
01:16:410 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I'd rather see a smooth curve here, why not use the ''Slider to stream'' function
Thanks for your mod.Kyshiro wrote:
As requested, a mod on TVO's diff:
TVO's Lunatic
00:04:113 (1) - Finish on the head, you can definately hear a finish sound in the music I really dislike how the finishes sound so I'm using them sparingly. Not adding.
00:06:722 (8) - Remove finish, weird location for one Fine
00:07:094 (1) - Add finish here instead? Fine
00:09:889 (1) - This slider doesn't fit here, most likely because it starts on a red line Changed.
00:10:076 - After you fixed that slider, a finish sound would be fitting over here Don't like finishes.
00:13:616 (4,5) - I really dislike this overlap, it doesn't really feel good to play either Not changing, I like it.
00:17:529 (1) - Would play better if this had a downward curve Done
00:19:578 (2,3) - Would be great if you could get these to start on the same location Would be great posting an example, because that would end up destroying the symmetry which fits ZUN so well.
00:27:218 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This could look way better, you should make the first 5 intro a smoother curve, then copy the first 4 and CTRL+H, J, G them to make a nice symmetric stream Adjusted a bit.
00:30:945 (1) - Add finish No for the same reason I didn't have a finish for all the other identical sounds.
00:31:876 (6) - Put this one at x:256 y:304? Plays better, looks better Yes! Done!
00:37:280 (3,4) - Switch these locations, plays a lot better Disagree, this transition 00:37:653 (4,5) - plays worse, and I have no plans on changing these notes.
00:49:205 (2,3) - Such a weird jump. I think it'd better to rearrange this pattern actually This style is intentional and I don't really want to fix. sorry.
00:51:069 (3,5) - Switch whistle here Fine
00:51:441 (1) - Whistle on end Done
00:53:677 (3,4) - The jump here is kind of awkward to play Plays perfectly fine to me..... Unless someone has a suggestion, i'm not changing.
00:54:050 (4,6) - Switch whistle again, this just sounds awkward Fine
00:55:541 (5) - Add finish to follow the pattern a bit more I hate how a finish sounds there. Not changing...ever
01:16:410 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I'd rather see a smooth curve here, why not use the ''Slider to stream'' function Looks okay to me. i'm not sure what you had in mine. It took several stream changing to get it to this shape. I do not know what a proper stream looks like if this isn't it.
http://puu.sh/1P5gL
hi
[skin]
Missing Skin Files:
score-comma.png
score-dot.png
score-percent.png
score-x.png
scorebar-colour-alternate.png ← what does this do
[metadate]
check tags plz
[timing]
you need to add red lines at 10076 and 53305. because you have red lines at 3368 and 46597 to exact the rhythm changes.
as you/those said 00:01:132 is 6/4, 00:07:840 is 6/4 too.
Thus, 00:13:057 and 00:56:286 could be removed since they don't play a role that correct downbeat anymore.
I read previous discussions. or, if you disagree with what I said. just use 1 red line and remove this 00:03:368 (5) - &00:13:057 (3) - . this is not a severe issue no matter in which kind we set red lines (don't touch red lines with 3/4 time signature)
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ALSO, I found inconsistency in uninherited timing sections, you need to unify them
[Spinner New Combo]
Normal: 01:08:956 (2) - nc this
Easy: 01:08:956 (2) - nc this
[TVO's Lunatic]
I bet this is the first time I saw&mod your map. your name have been very familiar to me tho.
during the intro/beginning part, or the whole time, your rhythm and placement are disorder.
rhythm
the music has a lot of semiquavers that you could have used systematical short streams to follow with. but your triplets and quintuplets are simply random placed.
00:04:392 (2) - and this is actually a confusing quintuplet but players just won't know it has 3 repeat and play it intuitively. it seems just like it has only 1 repeat. what's more we can't get any cue from previous rhythm/patterns
00:06:349 (5,6,7) - triplet starts at long white tick is really bad when the music doesn't strongly require it. plus this is not a intended disign. 00:03:554 (6,7,8) - & 00:04:858 (3,4,5) - are both start at red tick. so they collide with each other and convey bad playing experience
00:10:821 (5,6,7) - ^
00:51:069 (3,4,5) -
00:54:050 (4,5,6) -
to refine your rhythm, a logical loop/design should be considered. experienced mappers would set a well-proportioned and balanced dealing with a particular period. in this song the intro/beginning was comprised with a melody looped 4 times, so based on this you could firstly design the rhythm, such as setting a transition or gradual change or just simply repeat. but remember don't randomly put notes
placement
00:02:622 (1,2,3,4,5) - these jumps are way sudden and large. I have no idea why you used 3.7x spacing when the song just starts sounding
00:05:604 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - strange angel. and it doesn't provide flow. you can refer to this and learn some easy patterns that have good flow(or even emulating some famous mappers). since I don't see a fixed style on your diff
00:09:889 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - hmm bad flow. just bad and doesn't look good
00:54:795 (1,2,3,4,5) - orz
00:49:205 (2,3) -
00:52:000 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this shape looks ugly and idk why this 00:52:932 (7) - stack on 6. if i were you i gonna make an isogon and avoid stack to destroy flow
01:03:739 (1,2) - ..too large, so much so that I can't convince myself it isn't 1/1
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00:15:665 (5) - clap? (optional, regularly we keep clap consistent but if it's intended)
00:18:647 (5) - ^
00:27:590 (5) - ^
00:58:894 (6) - ^
01:09:702 (6) - ^
01:13:428 (3) - ^
00:24:796 (9) - whistle
01:08:025 (9) - ^
00:31:876 (6) - move to x256y312. the current curve actually doesn't very fitting
[Jenny]
00:01:691 (3) - 1/8 but spacing larger than 1/4 00:01:504 (2) - ? don't really suggest doiing that
00:18:553 (2) - position
01:01:782 (2) - ^
01:00:758 (1) - orz this slider becomes more ugly after flipping, adjust it plz
you could have mapped this more carefully isn't it
[ctb]
i have modded this long ago. nothing else
others are fine
[skin]
Missing Skin Files:
score-comma.png
score-dot.png
score-percent.png
score-x.png
scorebar-colour-alternate.png ← what does this do
[metadate]
check tags plz
[timing]
you need to add red lines at 10076 and 53305. because you have red lines at 3368 and 46597 to exact the rhythm changes.
as you/those said 00:01:132 is 6/4, 00:07:840 is 6/4 too.
Thus, 00:13:057 and 00:56:286 could be removed since they don't play a role that correct downbeat anymore.
I read previous discussions. or, if you disagree with what I said. just use 1 red line and remove this 00:03:368 (5) - &00:13:057 (3) - . this is not a severe issue no matter in which kind we set red lines (don't touch red lines with 3/4 time signature)
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ALSO, I found inconsistency in uninherited timing sections, you need to unify them
[Spinner New Combo]
Normal: 01:08:956 (2) - nc this
Easy: 01:08:956 (2) - nc this
[TVO's Lunatic]
I bet this is the first time I saw&mod your map. your name have been very familiar to me tho.
during the intro/beginning part, or the whole time, your rhythm and placement are disorder.
rhythm
the music has a lot of semiquavers that you could have used systematical short streams to follow with. but your triplets and quintuplets are simply random placed.
00:04:392 (2) - and this is actually a confusing quintuplet but players just won't know it has 3 repeat and play it intuitively. it seems just like it has only 1 repeat. what's more we can't get any cue from previous rhythm/patterns
00:06:349 (5,6,7) - triplet starts at long white tick is really bad when the music doesn't strongly require it. plus this is not a intended disign. 00:03:554 (6,7,8) - & 00:04:858 (3,4,5) - are both start at red tick. so they collide with each other and convey bad playing experience
00:10:821 (5,6,7) - ^
00:51:069 (3,4,5) -
00:54:050 (4,5,6) -
to refine your rhythm, a logical loop/design should be considered. experienced mappers would set a well-proportioned and balanced dealing with a particular period. in this song the intro/beginning was comprised with a melody looped 4 times, so based on this you could firstly design the rhythm, such as setting a transition or gradual change or just simply repeat. but remember don't randomly put notes
placement
00:02:622 (1,2,3,4,5) - these jumps are way sudden and large. I have no idea why you used 3.7x spacing when the song just starts sounding
00:05:604 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - strange angel. and it doesn't provide flow. you can refer to this and learn some easy patterns that have good flow(or even emulating some famous mappers). since I don't see a fixed style on your diff
00:09:889 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - hmm bad flow. just bad and doesn't look good
00:54:795 (1,2,3,4,5) - orz
00:49:205 (2,3) -
00:52:000 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this shape looks ugly and idk why this 00:52:932 (7) - stack on 6. if i were you i gonna make an isogon and avoid stack to destroy flow
01:03:739 (1,2) - ..too large, so much so that I can't convince myself it isn't 1/1
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00:15:665 (5) - clap? (optional, regularly we keep clap consistent but if it's intended)
00:18:647 (5) - ^
00:27:590 (5) - ^
00:58:894 (6) - ^
01:09:702 (6) - ^
01:13:428 (3) - ^
00:24:796 (9) - whistle
01:08:025 (9) - ^
00:31:876 (6) - move to x256y312. the current curve actually doesn't very fitting
[Jenny]
00:01:691 (3) - 1/8 but spacing larger than 1/4 00:01:504 (2) - ? don't really suggest doiing that
00:18:553 (2) - position
01:01:782 (2) - ^
01:00:758 (1) - orz this slider becomes more ugly after flipping, adjust it plz
you could have mapped this more carefully isn't it
[ctb]
i have modded this long ago. nothing else
others are fine
Topic Starter
I've removed the score-Files and keeping the Life Bar, because I really like it for the Map, and does not look bad at all. Also, I fixed some NCs and the Metadata. Feel free to blame me if I forgot something. About the Timing I am really unsure what to do. I will talk with those/Tic again when I catch them at In-Game. Thank you, LKs.
Also, I fixed some NCs and the Metadata. Feel free to blame me if I forgot something. About the Timing I am really unsure what to do. I will talk with those/Tic again when I catch them at In-Game. Thank you, LKs.