1. The Easy diff has a different preview time than the others,so please fix this and make a prewiew point at 00:12:484
2. Easy and Normal diff have different positions of the unherited timing points as the others. Watch the difference here and please fix this:
   
   SPOILER

   [Easy]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:132, BPM of 161,000 00:35:417, BPM of 161,000 00:44:361, BPM of 161,000 01:18:646, BPM of 161,000 01:27:590, BPM of 161,000
   [Hard]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000
   [Insane]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:132, BPM of 161,000 00:35:417, BPM of 161,000 00:44:351, BPM of 161,000 01:18:646, BPM of 161,000 01:27:590, BPM of 161,000
   [Jenny]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000
   [Normal]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000
   [Ono's Taiko Oni]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000

1. 00:52:559 (2) - Place this at x:268 y:172,it flows better and it makes too a nice blanket with 00:51:069 (1) - 's curve
   Pretty good diff,just one thing to say: in the next Easies you will make,try to make the rhythm more variable,because apart from some 1/1 rhythms,the map is pretty much 2/1 based,and this could make the diff a bit boring. But right now it's pretty good,so there's no problem

1. 00:01:863 (3) - 2 grids down to make 00:01:117 (1,3) - spaced like 00:01:490 (2,4) - ?
2. 00:04:099 (1,2,3,4) - Again,I suggest you to move this entire pattern to x:196 y:292,so that your zig-zag pattern would look better!
3. 01:01:489 (4) - What do you think on putting this at x:256 y:204? Imho,the pattern would be better like this.
4. 01:02:235 (1) - That's pretty much nazi,but why are you using this red waypoint,when it doesen't affect at all the gameplay? I suggest you to remove this or to make it more visible,since right now it doesen't have much sense to put that anchor point there.
5. 01:15:651 (3) - Little blanketing issue,move this 1 grid down to fix

1. There are six unsnapped objects at 01:19:006 (2) -, 01:20:122 (3) - , 01:23:478 (2) - , 01:24:596 (2) - , 01:25:714 (2) - and 01:26:832 (2) -. Remember to snap them correctly!
2. 00:23:291 - Add a note with a whistle here? In all the other patterns except this part you put a note here...
3. 01:03:726 (1) - Make this curvy to encircle 01:03:354 (4) - ? If you want an example,here it is!
4. 01:24:968 (3) - Put this at x:144 y:296 to make this equidistant to 01:24:223 (1,2) - ?
5. 01:26:086 (3) - Put this at x:116 y:248 for the same reason as above?

1. There is an unsnapped slider's end at 01:18:636 (1) - and an unsnapped inherited section at 00:01:677. Remember again to snap them correctly!
2. 00:04:672 (5) - Put the whistle at the end of the slider,and not at his repeat,since right now it isn't following the whistle pattern you are using
3. 00:15:293 (7) - Move this 3 grids right to make it equidistant to 00:15:107 (6,1) -
4. 00:15:479 (1) - Imho,it would be better to follow the synth here by moving the New Combo on 00:16:038 (3) -
5. 00:25:914 (1) - Delete the clap and add it to 00:26:100 (2) - ,it sounds better and by doing so you will follow the same hisounds pattern you are using on the next pattern
6. 00:34:486 (1) - Delete the new combo,it's unnecessary
7. 00:35:231 (1) - ^

1. 00:56:272 (1) - This slider isn't snapped correctly,please fix it. Or is this on purpose?

• 
  "re" is means "remove"
  Black is just suggestion ~OAO , if you don't like , you can skip it
  Blue is recommended to fix
  red is unrankable issue

[general]

1. osb. should be removed

[Easy]

1. 00:27:964 (3) -I think NC this because front are three beats with NC , if you do this , 00:33:927 (4) - this also NC

[Normal]

1. 00:12:312 (3) - how about this? i think kiai time's start should NC so...
2. can I tucao the bookmark XD?!

[Hard]

1. 01:23:850 (3) - let it get on x:220 y:248 ?

[Insane]

1. 00:21:815 (9) - cover completely?!
2. 00:26:287 (3) - ^
3. 00:36:535 (4) - NC?
4. 00:39:889 (7,1) - (1) NC and (1) re NC , if you do this , 00:41:007 (3) - 00:42:125 (6) - NC
5. 01:22:745 (1,2,1) - (1) all re NC and (2) NC ?

[Jenny]

1. Ah... when I use AImod to look , find this thing
2. fine~ ,but this difficulty behind is copy ?!

Frizz925 wrote:

[Insane]
00:10:076 (1) - x:256 ? Looks better if you make it just above 00:09:144 (1) fine
00:21:815 (9) - 1 grid down and it will stack below the slider end perfectly fine
00:25:541 (3) - The spacing to the next note is inconsistent compared to previous ones. Try x:396 y:284 fine
00:25:914 (1) - 1 grid down and left to keep the spacing more consistent fine
00:26:287 (3) - Perhaps stack this directly under 00:25:728 (4) - ? fine
00:26:473 (4) - x:184 y:352 and again, for better spacing consistency fine
00:29:454 (1) - *nazi* it would be better if you map this part instead I don't think so
00:31:504 - 00:35:231 - Try this whistle pattern (marked by w) http://puu.sh/GwuH and then remove whistle on slider path in 00:31:691 (2,3) and add whistle on slider path in 00:32:809 (6) nice
00:35:417 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I realize that it's pattern here however try to use Distance Snap here to keep the spacing consistent. Example is 00:36:162 (3,4,5) you can see that the spacing between 3 and 4 is different than 4 and 5. max DS is 2 and I would like to keep the Hexagram. I also think that it already plays nice and that these "inconsistency" isn't that bad here, because of the 1/1 distances
00:37:653 (1) - Spacing? ? I made an 1,6 DS through the combo now
00:38:771 (1,2,3) - The spacing randomly changes here not that dramatic ._. it plays nice and all the people i spectated had no problems either on first try.
00:44:351 - idk if it's supposed to be like this, but the timing point isn't snapped properly http://puu.sh/GwD5 it is snapped correctly. If you move the timeline behind the timing point you see that it is snapped correctly. You see this because the metronome changes the offset a bit and you were on the old setup
00:44:351 (1) - x:36 y:188 for slightly better spacing fine
00:48:264 (2,3,4,5,6) - I think that it would look better if it's symmetrical with 00:47:518 (2,3,4,5) ? i don't get it ... i made it symmetric with the whole pattern 00:46:587 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
00:59:257 (4) - Move this about 2 grids to the right to keep the spacing consistent fine
01:06:771 - Clap here? fine

-kevincela- wrote:

Hi~

[Insane]

1. There is an unsnapped slider's end at 01:18:636 (1) - and an unsnapped inherited section at 00:01:677. Remember again to snap them correctly! good eye :3
2. 00:04:672 (5) - Put the whistle at the end of the slider,and not at his repeat,since right now it isn't following the whistle pattern you are using ok
3. 00:15:293 (7) - Move this 3 grids right to make it equidistant to 00:15:107 (6,1) - I counted 4 though
4. 00:15:479 (1) - Imho,it would be better to follow the synth here by moving the New Combo on 00:16:038 (3) - fine ... whatever
5. 00:25:914 (1) - Delete the clap and add it to 00:26:100 (2) - ,it sounds better and by doing so you will follow the same hisounds pattern you are using on the next pattern don't know what happened there ._. thx
6. 00:34:486 (1) - Delete the new combo,it's unnecessary
7. 00:35:231 (1) - ^ fine ... because so many people pointed this out now (even though i think it looks and indicates the jump better) I will change it ... ^

l1106188 wrote:

[Insane]

1. 00:21:815 (9) - cover completely?! prev. mod
2. 00:26:287 (3) - ^ ^
3. 00:36:535 (4) - NC? I don't think it is necessary
4. 00:39:889 (7,1) - (7) NC and (1) re NC , if you do this , 00:41:007 (3) - 00:42:125 (6) - NC yes except striked part
5. 01:22:745 (1,2,1) - (1) all re NC and (2) NC ? no. Both ways are possible. I stay with mine
6. ty for this mod

Frizz925 wrote:

Ohai there, from A certain lazy modding queue

[Easy]
Looks fine.

[Normal]
Looks fine too. Suggest you to use more hitsounds here. Hmm, I'll see what I can do.

-kevincela- wrote:

Hi~

[General]

1. The Easy diff has a different preview time than the others,so please fix this and make a prewiew point at 00:12:484 Fixed.
2. Easy and Normal diff have different positions of the unherited timing points as the others. Watch the difference here and please fix this: Fixed Timing in all Difficults.
   
   SPOILER

   [Easy]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:132, BPM of 161,000 00:35:417, BPM of 161,000 00:44:361, BPM of 161,000 01:18:646, BPM of 161,000 01:27:590, BPM of 161,000
   [Hard]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000
   [Insane]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:132, BPM of 161,000 00:35:417, BPM of 161,000 00:44:351, BPM of 161,000 01:18:646, BPM of 161,000 01:27:590, BPM of 161,000
   [Jenny]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000
   [Normal]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000
   [Ono's Taiko Oni]
   Red timing sections at: 00:01:118, BPM of 161,000 00:35:403, BPM of 161,000 00:44:347, BPM of 161,000 01:18:632, BPM of 161,000 01:27:576, BPM of 161,000

[Easy]

1. 00:52:559 (2) - Place this at x:268 y:172,it flows better and it makes too a nice blanket with 00:51:069 (1) - 's curve Done.
   Pretty good diff,just one thing to say: in the next Easies you will make,try to make the rhythm more variable,because apart from some 1/1 rhythms,the map is pretty much 2/1 based,and this could make the diff a bit boring. But right now it's pretty good,so there's no problem This Easy Diff is very old, the recent Easies what I make/made follows the music much better, but thanks for the annotation. ^^

[Normal]

1. 00:01:863 (3) - 2 grids down to make 00:01:117 (1,3) - spaced like 00:01:490 (2,4) - ? Fixed.
2. 00:04:099 (1,2,3,4) - Again,I suggest you to move this entire pattern to x:196 y:292,so that your zig-zag pattern would look better! Done.
3. 01:01:489 (4) - What do you think on putting this at x:256 y:204? Imho,the pattern would be better like this. I took another suggestion.
4. 01:02:235 (1) - That's pretty much nazi,but why are you using this red waypoint,when it doesen't affect at all the gameplay? I suggest you to remove this or to make it more visible,since right now it doesen't have much sense to put that anchor point there. It's very very quite buckled, so it makes a Difference.
5. 01:15:651 (3) - Little blanketing issue,move this 1 grid down to fix Fixed.

l1106188 wrote:

M4M~

• 
  "re" is means "remove"
  Black is just suggestion ~OAO , if you don't like , you can skip it
  Blue is recommended to fix
  red is unrankable issue

[general]

1. osb. should be removed Done.

[Easy]

1. 00:27:964 (3) -I think NC this because front are three beats with NC , if you do this , 00:33:927 (4) - this also NC Nah, NC isn't so neccessary, the combo is 5 and not really long.

[Normal]

1. 00:12:312 (3) - how about this? i think kiai time's start should NC so... Nah, it's fine for now.
2. can I tucao the bookmark XD?! I lol'd so hard because of this. Removed.

good song & good luck~
and sorry to my poor English It's understandable enough.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Nito's CTB Rain:

00:05:604 (6,7,8,9) - patterns like this don't play very well, cause every other note is a hyper-dash, so hitting it becomes very odd maybe make a closer jump here? Yep, I can see your point. I changed it to normal jumps (closer distance) and changed as well the jumppart at 00:11:753 (1,2,3,4)
01:26:937 (1) - I recommend putting a longer spinner like in Jenny diff, as it is you've only got short spinners in here, so I'd put a long one to have more variety (and also stop people from getting perfect spinner easily)Well, I know what you mean but for now I won't change it. I want to see what further mods suggest.

pieguy1372 wrote:

hi there~

Insane:

00:09:144 (1) - remove NC? no it is there to show the anti-jump
00:12:312 (1) - remove NC? ^
00:13:057 (4) - hm, maybe end it at 00:13:430, then add a note at 00:13:616? follows music better IMO let's try that
00:31:318 - add note no. I think there is nothing it would add there
00:56:649 - add note? ^

good luck~

• Inconsistency on Kiai Times: http://puu.sh/Lq4v
  The Insane's Third Offset is inconsistent with all the other diffs.

• OD -7 to keep consistency with HP Drain.
  This diff is OverJumped.
  00:24:423 - You ALWAYS need to keep some time after every spinner to avoid misunderstandings in getting the fruits.
  00:35:417 - ^

• 00:15:852 (4) It seems better http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/381267

• 00:55:403 (2) Unsnapped circle
  00:55:465 (3) Unsnapped circle

Mercurial wrote:

CTB Rain

OD -7 to keep consistency with HP Drain. no. OD must be equal to AR, because OD affects nothing at all but score. As far as I know this will gonna be included in the ctb rule thread ._.
This comes from the time where AR and OD was the same or atleast the option affected both at the same time.

bomber34 wrote:

[Nito's CtB Rain]
There is an update bug with Nito's CtB diff anyways, fix'd
Btw. On CtB the OD should be equal with AR, because OD changes nothing on gameplay but score. hai hai, I understand >_>
I also think you should add Catch the Beat or CtB to tags. To make it easier to find them on the beatmap site No, it's not necessary... or do we have in all mapsets where a taiko map is uncluded "taiko" in the tags?.. no

urs4chan wrote:

Mod For CTB diff <3

Nito's CTB Rain


00:39:330 (11) - Try to reverse it , so it looks like jumping pattern <3 We both discussed that in-game again... and as you saw.. it just don't play good.. the flow between 11 and 1 is just bad when I reverse the 11^^


01:18:646 - to 01:27:590 - seems like 00:35:417 - to 00:43:056 I think this pattern can be memorize quickly because it's a same pattern
, my advice are try to reverse 01:18:646 - to 01:27:590 slider , so it'll be a good pattern <3 well, I reversed the second part as you suggested and I have to say, it's interesting to play :3

Example pattern

love the jumpy ctb pattern & triplets jump <3 <3

Mercurial wrote:

CTB Rain

• OD -7 to keep consistency with HP Drain. above
  This diff is OverJumped. Well, it's a jumpy diff but you can't say it's "overjumped"... I never heard that, lol... and I have to say that I let this map played by a lot of ppl and I just got the feedback that the map's fun and the jumps interesting... so I don't see a point here :/
  00:24:423 - You ALWAYS need to keep some time after every spinner to avoid misunderstandings in getting the fruits. Mhh, I'm aware of the CTB ranking rules&guidelines. But well, the lowest allowed distance is 1/2 and as far as I see it, the distance is actually 1/2. I know why you're saying that because they are really a bit close but the difference between spinner and next fruit is defenetly visible and I mean, that's the main reason why this rules exists, right? Visibility.
  00:35:417 - ^^

pieguy1372 wrote:

hi there~

Easy:

00:27:964 (3) - add NC Not neccessary
00:48:833 (3) - add finish on end to be consistent with other parts I don't like it so.
00:53:305 (1) - add finish on start As above.
01:00:758 (2) - spacing too far from (1)..I can see it's for a beat blanket, but maybe try moving it out like this? http://puu.sh/GKe9 Would ruin this part, IMO.
01:09:702 (2) - add whistle like in other parts? There's actually no Whislte, at the first part, there is a slider.
01:12:683 (2) - add whistle like in other parts? As above.
01:17:156 (3) - probably this slider should have some kind of whistle.. I don't like it, sorry.

Normal:

00:36:535 (2) - add whistle? Sounds sexy.
00:37:653 (1) - add whistle on start? As above.
01:05:975 (1) - remove NC? since 1 note combo might be a bit short.. Changed.
01:19:764 (4) - add whistle on start? Okay.
01:20:882 (1) - add whistle? Okay.

• 1. 00:01:132 (1) - Add Finish.
  2. 00:04:113 (4) - Add Finish.
  3. 00:24:889 (2,1) - Delete Note (2) Add Finish on (1).
  4. 00:36:348 - Definitly add Note + Clap here.
  5. 00:42:311 (1,1,1,2,1,1) - Keep Consistency here. Map kdd k ddk instead of k d kkd k.
  6. 00:43:243 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,3) - This stream feels a bit messy. kddkddkddk-like fits much better.
  7. 00:44:361 (4) - Add Finish.
  8. 00:47:342 (4) - Add Finish.
  9. 00:55:354 (1,2,3,1) - Still unsnapped Notes here.
  10. 01:08:118 (2,1) - Delete Note (2) Add Finish on (1).
  11. 01:26:285 (1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1) - Delete 01:26:378 (2) and create a stream like kddkkdkddkkdk.
  12. 01:27:590 (1) - Add Finish.
  Thats all, good luck (really)~

Tshemmp wrote:

[Insane]
Ich weiß wegen der AR... 9 passt irgendwie nicht so zum Song. Allerdings sind manche Jumps auf AR 8 auch eklig zu spielen. Aber da es schon eine AR 9 Diff gibt, würde ich die AR hier auf 8 setzen. AR8 spielt sich bei der diff widerlich. Was ist so schlimm daran wenn 2 Diffs die selbe AR haben?
00:44:351 - die rote Timing Section muss 00:44:361 sein (wie in allen anderen Diffs) ka wie das passiert ist. Ausgebessert!
01:07:456 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - soll der Stream so unsymmetrisch sein? Ist jetz' symmetrisch
01:19:577 - hier würde ich auf jeden Fall etwas mappen, die Lücke passt nicht ma sehen wie es jetz ist.
01:20:695 - ^ ^
01:21:813 - ^ Unsicher ... weil ein Jump entsteht ... ma schaun
01:22:745 (1) - NC hier passt nicht, vom Song her gehören 01:22:000 (1,2,1) zusammen, das sollte auch von den Combofarben und in der Map ersichtlich sein. Was Neues kommt dann 01:23:118 (2), deshalb sollte nier die NC sowie der Slider anders angeordnet sein, denn momentan sieht es so aus, als gehörten 01:22:745 (1,2) zusammen, was sie von Song her nicht tun. Außerdem passt es nicht, dass 01:23:118 (2,1,2) vom Song her zusammen gehören, es aber in der Map überhaupt nicht sind. Man kann es zum Beispiel so machen:

SPOILER

SPOILER

Du musst halt 01:23:490 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) so nach unten verschieben, dass der Circle, mit dem du den Slider bei 01:23:118 ersetzt noch über die anderen drüber passt.

SPOILER

256,236,82745,2,0,B|256:146,1,90
344,16,83118,5,0
168,368,83490,1,0
344,104,83863,1,2
168,280,84236,5,2
344,192,84608,1,0
168,192,84981,1,2
344,280,85354,5,2
168,104,85726,1,0
344,368,86099,1,2

Ziemlich gut :3 Ich übernehm den Code

1. First off, what's the point to make the entire difficulty a damn jump? Really, it is just annoying, even in the slow parts there are random jumps = ='
2. 00:06:535 (2,3,4,5,6) These streams are so annoying when they're not well used, I suggest to change this pattern.
3. 00:07:281 (2,3,4,5,6) ^ Same as above.
4. 00:31:131 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) I'm okay with patterns like this, but trying to put a very hard jump between (5,6) is not a good idea, playing a jump that is between the Hyperdash and No-Hyperdash is not fun and sometimes is quite hard, please reduce the distance.
5. 00:35:417 - In my opinion this is a slow part, there shouldn't be that big jumps, strongly suggest to change it and make something more "interesting".
6. I think you should consider everything above to the second half of the map, because you uses copy-paste.

Tshemmp wrote:

[General]
Ein bisschen komisch finde ich, dass 3 GDs den Namen ihres jeweiligen Guestmappers enthalten, 2 jedoch nicht. Du solltest es konsistent machen. Ich werd Nitojgrem dazu "zwingen" es in CTB Rain umzubenennen, was den Taiko Diff betrifft, es wäre komisch, das der nicht Ono's Taiko Oni heißen würde, da der Diff-Name schon fame ist. Falls du "Jenny" meinst: Er bestand drauf, den Diff so zu nennen. Weil er es sonst Jenny's Lunatic nennen würde. orz Und Lunatic mag er es auch nicht nennen.

[Normal]
01:00:758 (3,4) - (3) legt sich ja noch einigermaßen gut um den Anfang von (4), aber 4 ist irgendwie zu eckig und legt sich nicht gut um das Ende von (3). Das Problem ist hauptsächlich, dass sich ein Slider um den anderen legt, der andere sich aber nicht um den einen. Entweder beide oder keiner, da sie so zusammen gehören. (Oder meine Augen sind einfach nur kaputt). Ich hab's geändert, sollte jetzt eigentlich ganz okay sein.

[Easy]
00:38:771 (4) - noch ein Repeat hinzufügen mit einem Finish drauf? Nein, ich hab diesen Vorschlag zichmal abgelehnt, sorry.

Sehr rundes, sauberes Mapset, mit schönen Slidern. owo/

eldnl wrote:

[Nito's CTB Rain]

1. First off, what's the point to make the entire difficulty a damn jump? Really, it is just annoying, even in the slow parts there are random jumps = =' well, I can understand when you say this (and you gave a reason, thanks :3) but I can't agree with "randomness". And otherwise... I think it's here as well a matter of the personal opinion, so what you like and what not. I know this is a complete jump map but with future maps I'll really consider it more :3
2. 00:06:535 (2,3,4,5,6) These streams are so annoying when they're not well used, I suggest to change this pattern. We talked shortly ingame about this and you now my answer... I won't change it^^
3. 00:07:281 (2,3,4,5,6) ^ Same as above. I. Agree.
4. 00:31:131 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) I'm okay with patterns like this, but trying to put a very hard jump between (5,6) is not a good idea, playing a jump that is between the Hyperdash and No-Hyperdash is not fun and sometimes is quite hard, please reduce the distance. Sure... I wasn't that confidient with that part by now and this helped a bit to make it better, so changed with the help of Drafura's mod as well :3
5. 00:35:417 - In my opinion this is a slow part, there shouldn't be that big jumps, strongly suggest to change it and make something more "interesting". hmm, well I could (!) agree that it's a bit boring but well, imo these jumps still fit to the music because it's kind of a... uhm.. "increasing of... maybe tension (?)" all the time... and then after the half I want to decrease it so it can start from new with the repetation afterwards. (yes, my English is bad >>)
6. I think you should consider everything above to the second half of the map, because you uses copy-paste. thanks for reminding me >_>

You need to ask for more mods, good luck ! thank you! :3

Drafura wrote:

[Nito's CTB Rain]
00:26:473 (5,6,7,8,9) - ugly, make a simple curve ? fix'd =w=
00:31:131 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Non-sense with the timeline, if you want to map the piano here you should use THIS timeline (The first slider is the same as yours). Defenetly, changed.
00:43:243 (10) - This slider should end at : 00:44:174 - Check pattern to avoid stupid jump. Fix'd (and the slider reverted)
00:44:361 - to end : What about finding some new patterns instead of copy pasting ? I know that I used c&p in this map... but I made the decision for using it and won't change it this time. I know that c&p is often a bit boring because it's just the same but reverted... but in the case of this ZUN song (who makes mostly repeating rhythms >:) I think c&p isn't that bad thing because (at least for me) the second part, so the reversed one, is even harder than the first D:

LKs wrote:

hi ctb mod as pre your req

sry for the long delay and my poor CTB skill

overall the map is quite challenging and interesting. I found no severe issues and here are my suggestions

00:29:734 (8,9) - move 8 and 9 to this place shown in the pic http://puu.sh/Zetp to get a better turn fix'd
01:12:683 (5,6,7,8,9) - ^same issue same answer

don't point out jumps and streams since they can be caught as long as one‘s competent. GL thanks :3

Deif wrote:

[Nito's CTB Rain]

Disable Letterbox during breaks, as you don't have any break. I didn't do that? lol... fix'd

00:11:753 (1,2,3,4) - I'd put (2) a bit closer to (1), and make (3) HDashed by moving (4) more to the left. Should be okay now o.o
00:54:982 (1,2,3,4) - ^ (mirrored) ^
00:24:982 (1) - Move it a few grids to the right, to avoid the stack with (6). <x:456> is ok. Mhh, okay, changed and I moved 00:25:728 (3) - as well to the left for the sake of symmetrie :3
01:08:211 (1) - ^ (mirrored) Same
00:55:634 (1) - This spinner is too close to the previous note. Make it 1/4 shorter at the beginning. Ah, my mistake. This spinner should start on the red stripe, not the blue like 00:12:498 (1) ^^" fix'd

Discussed some other pattens via IRC. This diff looks much better than the 1st time I saw it ^^. Great to hear ^-^

Deif wrote:

Dadadadaaaaa dadada dadadadadaaaaaaa ♪♫♪♫

[Insane]

Your 3rd uninherited timing section is 10 ms earlier than the rest of the diffs. It should be placed on 00:44:361. Remember to resnap all the notes of that section and the Kiai#3 points to the correct timing! o.o it is already like this

Also, the combo colors are different from the rest. If that wasn't intentional use these ones: thanks, didn't noticed
Combo1 : 47,140,255
Combo2 : 255,104,32
Combo3 : 170,0,0
Combo4 : 252,54,54

00:10:076 (1,2,3,4) - It feels quite empty for being an Insane. Can you add some more notes there? I think it is nice how it is. In my opinion it supports this part 00:11:566 (1,2,3,4,1) - It has this boom at the end. I would describe it like a crescendo or so.
00:12:498 (1,2,3) - Those sliders felt a bit odd while playing. Try a formation like THIS. ok
00:21:815 (9) - I don't really agree about stacking that note. I think it fits kinda. But to be honest i don't know where i should place it ._.
00:44:537 (2,3,4) - That triplet is completely unintuitive, as it's covered by the previous stream's hitbursts. Can you move it somewhere else? That is really hard to do. I tried to make it better but it may be for the worse D: not sure at all about this one
00:48:823 (1,2,3,4) - Those jumps are a bit extreme in that part of the melody imo. Consider reducing a bit the distance between them. I reduced it a little now.
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1. 00:01:132 - 6/4
2. 00:03:368 - 4/4
3. 00:12:312 - 2/4
4. 00:13:057 - 4/4
5. 00:44:361 - 6/4
6. 00:46:597 - 4/4
7. 00:55:541 - 2/4
8. 00:56:286 - 4/4
9. 01:27:590 - 6/4
10. 01:29:826 - 4/4

Deif wrote:

Dadadadaaaaa dadada dadadadadaaaaaaa ♪♫♪♫

[Normal]

OD 4. 5 is a bit high for a Normal. Okay.

00:17:529 (3,4) - According to the long trumpet note, both circles can be converted into a single slider. Changed, and the parts until the 1st Spinner.

Seems like you forgot about whistles in Kiai#2... How about adding some in the points with higher notes? Like 00:29:454 (4) - start and end, or 00:33:927 (1). No, I am pretty sure with my Hitsounding, it's fine.

Good luck with this mapset, Stefan! Thanks \:D

those wrote:

Time signatures:

1. 00:12:312 - 2/4
2. 00:55:541 - 2/4

those wrote:

Time signatures:

1. 00:01:132 - 6/4
2. 00:03:368 - 4/4

TicClick wrote:

those wrote:

Time signatures:

1. 00:12:312 - 2/4
2. 00:55:541 - 2/4

Chewin wrote:

[General]

Set PreviewTime: 12498 in the Hard — Done!
I suggest you to remove letterbox because it cuts the girl's head o.o — k done
I don't understand why the hard diff has different red lines point. You must fix it — I don't know what happened to it. Ok, so I wiped all the unnecessary points and used Leorda's metronome fix (I added +14 to follow other diffs and keep the offset correct (or rather good-approximated; better take it as a basis).

[TicCl!ck's Hard]

00:26:086 (5) - CTRL + R flows better — agreed
01:09:688 (1) - clap — no!
01:26:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - It's confusing considering the previous easy part. — Ok, re-mapped to kickslider stream
The map is good, but all elements are unsnapped lol. You must snap them all. — lol done

Chewin wrote:

[bomber's Insane]

00:10:076 (1) - Overlap better with 00:09:144 (1) changed ... even though i moved 00:09:144 (1)
00:11:753 (2,3,4) - Use the same 2.00x spacing of 00:11:566 (1,2) done
00:51:814 (1,2,3,4) - This could be pretty confusing and bothering to play çç I know what you are talking about, but i asked a lot of friends to test it and no one had problems with this. Let's see what i can do :/
00:57:777 (4) - Unrankable slider because totally overlapped with 00:57:031 (2) o.o lol i think it is perfectly readable and i see this kind of pattern so often in other maps but before we get to this annoying "Don't justify with other maps" discussion i change it :X
01:08:584 (2) - x:328 y:292 to make a triangle jump with 01:08:398 (1,3) k
01:12:683 (7) - New combo fine
This map needs some more work, especially on the inconsistant jumps :\ not to be unpolite but for a map that needs more work, you didn't wrote that much

That's it, Stefan.
Good luck with it >w</

Chewin wrote:

Hi Stefan, mod from my special queue.

[General]

Set PreviewTime: 12498 in the Hard Fixed.
I suggest you to remove letterbox because it cuts the girl's head o.o Changed.
I don't understand why the hard diff has different red lines point. You must fix it Fixed.

[Easy]

00:01:132 (1) - I suggest you to remove the 3rd waypoint because the slider would have a better flow without it k
00:04:113 (1) - ^ and move it to some grid down to blanket better with the previous circle (3) k
00:19:019 (1) - Remove whistles to keep consistency with previous hitsound parts, like: 00:16:038 (1,2,3) k
00:35:417 (1,2,3) - I'd use whistles on each sliders' heads and tails to fit that soft sound in the music k

[Normal]

00:49:578 (6) - New combo accoring to the new rhythm, remove it from 00:50:696 (1) Nah, it fits well.
01:00:385 (2,3) - To keep consistency with 00:57:404 (2,3) remove clap from (2) adding it on (3)'s start removing whisltle instead k

1. It's very obvious that 00:01:132 - is 6/4 and 00:03:368 - is 4/4. The musical motive starts at 00:01:132 - , and again at 00:03:368 - , then 00:06:349 - , and 00:09:330 - . A key thing to notice is the 4 tones (for example, 00:02:622 - sings "re ti so re"), and it happens before each occurrence of the motive. It's musical theory; unless there is something more relevant that I'm clearly missing, the time signatures I have given in my previous post are the correct ones.
2. Because this was neglected, combos in the Jenny diff, for a clear example, has new combo in the wrong places. Assuming you're adding new combo to the "4 tones" pattern I stated above:
   
   1. 00:03:368 (3) - NC.
   2. 00:04:113 (1) - Remove NC.
   3. 00:06:349 (3) - NC.
   4. 00:07:094 (1) - Remove NC.
   5. 00:09:330 (5) - NC.
   6. 00:09:703 (1) - Remove NC.
3. Also, 00:12:312 - would be a 2/4 measure before 00:13:057 - 4/4, but it is unnecessary to add that, nor is there exist that option.

1. 00:25:261 (2,1) - I can only suspect you somehow snapped these incorrectly, since nothing suggests a 1/4 rhythm. If you're simply adding an object 1/4 as a grace note (for a lack of a better explanation), that emptiness should be filled in as you're turning the two objects into a decoration.
   Take 00:25:261 (2,1,1,2,1) - for example. dk kdd d d k is how I would map it if I chose to use 1/4 dk. Otherwise what you have at 00:13:429 (1,2) - is much better.
2. The above comment goes for every instance of 2/4 patterns followed by a 1/1 break. Though I still feel 00:29:734 (2,1,1,1) - is pretty strange and would probably turn it into dk ddk.

1. 00:58:615 (11) - Make consistent with 00:15:386 - .
2. 00:49:578 - Start mapping here.
3. 01:27:683 (1) - After time signature change, you'll find yourself ending spinner at 01:27:683 (1) - .

1. Surprisingly the intro wasn't affected by the time signature difference. But 00:10:076 (1,2,3,4) - feels out of place; especially in an Insane, 4 1/1 objects in a row do not fit.
2. 00:12:498 (1,2,3) - Fan these toward the outside instead of toward the inside; it will look better with regards to (4).
3. 01:08:957 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Is there a particular reason for spacing decrease? Or rather, is there a reason why 01:08:398 (1,2,3) - is a larger spacing?

those wrote:

It's very obvious that 00:01:132 - is 6/4 and 00:03:368 - is 4/4.

those wrote:

If you don't make the first measure 6/4, then every subsequent measure will be half a measure late.

those wrote:

[bomber]

1. Surprisingly the intro wasn't affected by the time signature difference. But 00:10:076 (1,2,3,4) - feels out of place; especially in an Insane, 4 1/1 objects in a row do not fit. took some time to change it but ok. I actually liked that 4x 1/1 ... i suck at explaining so don't think to much about it but i found that it adds ... tension or just supports the following 2xdisance 1/2 "jump" part. Anyways i changed it.
2. 00:12:498 (1,2,3) - Fan these toward the outside instead of toward the inside; it will look better with regards to (4). Thought the same before reading it when i changed the suggestion above
3. 01:08:957 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Is there a particular reason for spacing decrease? Or rather, is there a reason why 01:08:398 (1,2,3) - is a larger spacing? well i just took Chewin's suggestion there ... I didn't really checked the spacing orz. It does look nice though ... i try to change it

TicClick wrote:

I hope you know already about the thing called "emphasizing"; it doesn't mean a song changes its signature, it only means that a certain beat (or two, or three, doesn't matter) might be heard as a downbeat.

those wrote:

But the darker notes that grumd pointed out have to be at the end of the measure, due to its nature in the tonal system.

Loctav wrote:

Putting 4/4 2/4 (refer to Luna's post) is the most acceptable measure setting here.

Mercurial wrote:

Go update this.

Jenny wrote:

I am waiting for your rank.

bomber34 wrote:

Jenny wrote:

I am waiting for your rank.

yo I am waiting, too

1. I've read the timing signature discussion and I'm on the side that the signature on 00:01:132 should be 4/4 & the timing section on 00:03:368 is unnecessary, but rather than starting another discussion just let the next BAT give you the final judgement and leave it as it is for now
2. The last 2 uninherited timing section in TicClick's diff are different then the other diff, please fix this

1. 00:10:076 (1) - Add finish at the start
2. 00:48:833 (3) - Add finish at the slider end
3. 00:53:305 (1) - Add finish at the start
4. 00:59:267 (1) - Whistle at the end sounds better than clap

1. 00:33:926 (1) - Remove NC
2. 00:53:305 (1) - Change the whistle at the slider start to finish or maybe make it into 2 finish at the start and the end so it'll be the same with 00:10:076 (1)
3. 00:55:168 (4,5) - I suggest to CTRL + G these 2. The end of slider is kinda passive considering the emphasize on 00:55:541, so rather than a slider a circle give better feedback for the music
4. 01:12:683 (4) - Hmm...This looks better if you change the last red point into a normal one. Kinda like this

1. Hmm could you tone down the 1/2 beat whistle a little? Almost all of the 1/2 beat have whistle, not that it's bad it's just a little too much. My suggestion is remove whistle on:
   
   1. 00:13:057 (1)
   2. 00:14:175 (4)
   3. 00:16:038 (1)
   4. 00:18:833 (4) - or maybe change it into clap for a double clap
   5. 00:19:019 (1)
   6. 00:20:324 (5)
   7. 00:22:001 (1)
   8. 00:23:305 (4)
   That's the gist of if. Of course it's up to you to change it or not
2. 00:06:722 - If you're following the music very closely, there should be a note here
3. 00:49:951 - ^

1. 00:28:895 (6,7) - It's better to continue the previous flow by CTRL+G these 2
2. 01:12:683 (1) - I try making the slider more symmetrical
   
   SPOILER

   
   

   100,256,72683,6,2,B|108:312|156:340|200:340|200:340|216:320|216:320|236:340|236:340|256:320|256:320|276:340|276:340|296:320|296:320|312:340|312:340|356:340|404:312|412:256,1,450,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0

1. 01:27:683 (1) - Better remove this & end the map the same as other diffs. The fade out doesn't really good for a spinner

Sallad4ever wrote:

Sorry for the late reply

[General]

1. I've read the timing signature discussion and I'm on the side that the signature on 00:01:132 should be 4/4 & the timing section on 00:03:368 is unnecessary, but rather than starting another discussion just let the next BAT give you the final judgement and leave it as it is for now Alright.
2. The last 2 uninherited timing section in TicClick's diff are different then the other diff, please fix this Gonna fix this, when I get Tic's Update.

[Easy]

1. 00:10:076 (1) - Add finish at the start Ok.
2. 00:48:833 (3) - Add finish at the slider end Alright.
3. 00:53:305 (1) - Add finish at the start Ok.
4. 00:59:267 (1) - Whistle at the end sounds better than clap Good.

[Normal]

1. 00:33:926 (1) - Remove NC There starts a new part of the Song..
2. 00:53:305 (1) - Change the whistle at the slider start to finish or maybe make it into 2 finish at the start and the end so it'll be the same with 00:10:076 (1) Ok.
3. 00:55:168 (4,5) - I suggest to CTRL + G these 2. The end of slider is kinda passive considering the emphasize on 00:55:541, so rather than a slider a circle give better feedback for the music I see what you mean, changed.
4. 01:12:683 (4) - Hmm...This looks better if you change the last red point into a normal one. Kinda like this Okay!

Sallad4ever wrote:

Sorry for the late reply


[bomber's Insane]

1. 00:28:895 (6,7) - It's better to continue the previous flow by CTRL+G these 2 okay, but I also used ctrl+G on (7,8) afterwards, because flow was even better with the diamon that it creates
2. 01:12:683 (1) - I try making the slider more symmetrical wow nice
   
   SPOILER

   
   

   100,256,72683,6,2,B|108:312|156:340|200:340|200:340|216:320|216:320|236:340|236:340|256:320|256:320|276:340|276:340|296:320|296:320|312:340|312:340|356:340|404:312|412:256,1,450,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0

That's all from me. Good Luck~

Gabe wrote:

[Jenny]

DAT BG IS SO CUTEEE<3
•00:14:734 (6,7,8) - Why that inconsistent spacing? ;o - that is because the following tripplet has a stronger impact and thus feels more natural this way; the stronger the impact, the "harder" the mapping
•00:35:789 (2,3) - These two sliders could be the same as the previous slider (1) - i think the current suits quite well, recycling and rotating the slider feels too monotoneous and makes the sliders feel clunchy to each other

Gabe wrote:

Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions. I just wanted to point things that may be helpful for the ranking:

[bomber34]

Hitsounds mod

This box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions oh shit hitsounds. Something i don't really care for, because I don't pay attention to that useless thing while playing
•Two things that I didn't liked here: The normal whistles at the beginning and then *boom* it goes to claps without consistency. You should pay attention here to make your hitsound consistent and have soft whistles. You can look at the other difficulty to have an example. So for now.. I will mod your hitsounds the way you've did it.. Also, with your hitsounds, try to be logic. By this i meant, don't add random hitsounds because you think it sounds good. It must have atleast some consistent. Normal Hitsounds sound better, to use soft whistles would mean adding extra hitsound mp3 which stefan would have to upload and a lot of green lines. But meh we have the new hitsound feature so okay ... which don't work as well cause other hitsounds are getting soft too which is also ugly
•00:05:604 (1,2,3,4) - Seems like you've stopped to add whistle here and restart after the combo. Actually, it may be bad because it sounds empty. My suggestion here will too add whistles to the circle 2 and 4. With the way you've placed your previous whistles, it will be better with adding some there.
•00:09:889 (6,1) - Of these two combos, do you see something different? I've said to two points above and it's what I didn't liked. Having alot of whistles and then it magicaly goes to claps. Try to keep all your whistle and start doing clap consistency at 00:13:057 (4) - .
•00:16:038 - Since you have a clap here and a clap at the slidertail, it would be better if you replace the clap by a finish.
•00:44:361 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I have a suggestion here that may fit your song better. Delete add the hitsounds to these objects and add whistles to 00:44:361 (1) - , 00:44:640 (3) - , 00:44:920 (5) - , 00:45:106 (6) - , 00:45:385. Try to keep that consistency with the next combos.
To be honest I've done not much with your suggestions. I just removed all normal whisltes except chorus KIAI time part. Maybe they aren't the best it could be but i think they are "better". Redone some parts uhh i think that's it

Objects mod

This box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:19:578 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - These circles should make a better square form here. meh a normal square doesn't look so good I changed it a little bit to make it more symmetrical though
•00:20:883 - Do this slider has to have this form? It looks very weird. Try to make something else. personally I don't see your problems. I improved it tough, thx to the new slider algorythm

Combo mod

This box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)
•00:36:535 - Add a new combo here, it seems to be better like this because of the last pattern. For some reason I would like to reject this because I actually like the way the follow dots work (which is a weird argument though). I also saw that I use the same "combo" pattern at the end and i start a new combo on 00:37:653 (1) - I take it
•00:41:007 (4) - Add a new combo here, it will follow the song. see stuff ^
•00:42:125 (7) - Same thing as above, same reason. one more time ^

Gabe wrote:

Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions. I just wanted to point things that may be helpful for the ranking:

[Easy]

Hitsounds mod

This box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
•00:55:541 - You can skip this one if you want, but I think a finish will sound good here with the last slider. I perfer the Claps for now.

Objects mod

This box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.
•00:20:510 (2) - The flow here, is not really good. The flow should have been like this, but it goes like this. Here's another example of a good flow: 00:32:435 (3,4) - I've changed this on my purposes.

Combo mod

This box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)

[Normal]

To be honest, the circle size seems to be too small with the approach rate for a Normal.. maybe it's just me. I see no problems behind of it.

Hitsounds mod

This box is for hitsounds. When I look for hitsounds, I am mostly looking for the consistency. Sometimes I may give some suggestions
•00:30:945 - Shouldn't this whistle be replaced by a finish? (I feel like repeating myself o.o); But yeah, anyways. Like some points above, "it won't make it louder with a finish". Replace the whistle by a finish, the consistency will be followed. This is actually wrong. When I add at 00:30:199 Whistle and at 00:30:572 Clap (imagine a Circle or so here) the Finish after the Clap would be totally fine.
•00:54:795 (3,4,5) - Oh gawd, that clap spam. To be honest, it fits pretty well, but I don't like it. Can you do like this: 00:11:939 (2,3) -, it's like.. more soft? Sounds not epic, tbh. lol
Sorry, for the points above, I've became really lazy.. I can understand it. lol

Objects mod

This box means that I am looking at flows and useless circle/slider that doesn't sound really good or even, doesn't fit well for the difficulty.

Combo mod

This box is for new combos. If new combos are fitting well with the vocals or if they aren't too big (ex: 23combos)

Good luck with your map, catch this! <33

Gabe wrote:

Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions.

Nitojgrem wrote:

Gabe wrote:

Hi there Stefan, TicClick, OnosakiHito, Nitojgrem, bomber34 and Jenny. Seriously Stefan?
As requested on my modding queue and sorry, I don't even know how to map/mod CtB difficulties and also, don't mind all these suggestions.

It's okay (I'm used to that >>)... so cute to greet anyways, so greetings back to a crazy Canadian /o/
/me runs~

Stefan wrote:

Do I have something to say?

1. the sliderwhistles are ok, but plz get a blank soft-sliderslide, to make it not sound like the hitnormal is lasting loooong. ya I mean that 2 sliders.

1. Insane is not really common for touhou map, consider Lunatic as dif name.
2. 00:35:417 ~ 00:44:361 - reset whistles to the 2nd and 3rd whilte ticks for 1/2 notes
3. 00:56:286 (4) - replace with a 1/1 slider? felt too empty as the starting of KIAI
4. 01:00:758 (1) - a 1/1 slider repeats once and work and sound better than this. as if you're trying to make a short rest time for players/
5. 01:08:211 - I'm expecting something different with the things before. the keyboard is the most exciting part for this music ;(
6. 01:19:577 - better no empty if you're doing something 01:19:018 (2) - , or you'll break the rhythm. it repeats for times
7. 01:23:118 - can be stronger as the volume is rapidly raised i'd say
8. most well done hitsound in this set, good job.

1. the whistles in last part is good, but other things are way too random. keep drums in heavy beats, finish as starting of a whole part. maybe you can try whistle or something else only on 3rd whitletick.

1. 00:37:466 (1) - remove?

Colin Hou wrote:

[bomber's Insane]

1. Insane is not really common for touhou map, consider Lunatic as dif name. depends on what people understand of Lunatic xD meh I just rename it to that
2. 00:35:417 ~ 00:44:361 - reset whistles to the 2nd and 3rd whilte ticks for 1/2 notes ??? and I think Hitsounds are fine there as they are
3. 00:56:286 (4) - replace with a 1/1 slider? felt too empty as the starting of KIAI uhh I guess there is room for improvement for that slider xD
4. 01:00:758 (1) - a 1/1 slider repeats once and work and sound better than this. as if you're trying to make a short rest time for players/ Not sure if that 1/1 repeat slider is that much better than a spinner which can be cleared with low spinrate but oh well
5. 01:08:211 - I'm expecting something different with the things before. the keyboard is the most exciting part for this music ;( what do you mean? anyway added some sliders, changed pattern a tiny bit.
6. 01:19:577 - better no empty if you're doing something 01:19:018 (2) - , or you'll break the rhythm. it repeats for times ?? what? no change. Don't understand what breaks rythm there o,o
7. 01:23:118 - can be stronger as the volume is rapidly raised i'd say What can be stronger? I don't see the point to raise volume if you mean that
8. most well done hitsound in this set, good job. really? I mean really?