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I gotta say, strager is really making a case here

vote Echo

I'm human, I'm allowed to misread and misunderstand, aren't I?

No idea what your second point means.

Third point - different kind of information. Information about how each role in the game works is beneficial to Mafia moreso than to town, whereas information about each person and how they're playing is beneficial to town than Mafia.

See point 1. I misread, clarified when told so by editing the post, and followed up with another post saying so. You're grasping at straws, strager.

I will post more later.

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You see what I mean?
strager certainly does. ^_^

I think you're both just grasping at straws >_>

(even though there isn't a whole lot to go on in the first place...)

I'll reread through tomorrow and give my own thoughts :@

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Echo wrote:

Buddying is usually bad in a standard game because there is no way for townies to *know* anyone is safe to talk to/back up/etc. so soon. Therefore, only Mafia would use it to either cast suspicion on other people, etc..

adam isn't agreeing with me because of my role/alignment. He's agreeing with my argument against you. That's where you get your "buddying" idea, and that's where you think we somehow know each other are on the same team (e.g. Mafia or Masons as you suggest, or some other role(s)) or at least adam knows I am on the same team he is (e.g. we are both Townies and adam investigated me last night as a Cop). (Note: I'm not making any role claims for myself or saying adam is any role either.)

Derekku/Echo, Straws are better than nothing. If you have anything better than nothing as an argument please present it. Otherwise, Echo seems the most likely to be a Mafia to me.

strager wrote:

Derekku/Echo, Straws are better than nothing.

I agree, even though I got bitched at in Mafia 3 for saying the same thing =|

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Echo, would you consider his buddying too? viewtopic.php?p=155388#p155388

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

strager wrote:

Do you have a brain there Derekku? Can you use it, maybe? =]

I said I've been busy and will post soon. Go bother the other people who haven't posted instead <3

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

A butterfly, duh.

Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

A butterfly, duh.

adam doesn't hang out in the IRL thread.

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I believe he has eyes, which means he can see your avatar :3

*runs*

strager wrote:

Mod: Will the span of a Day increase as the game goes on? Like, if the player count is reduced to 11 go for 5-day Days, and 7 to 7-day Days? Similar expansions for Night?

No, the game will remain at the same deadline length unless I feel a need to extend it. Currently, the length seems to be fine.

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Vote list:
(RV) is random/silly vote
(SV) is serious vote
(?V) no idea
correct me when I'm wrong on this

Day 1
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strager voted rust45 (RV)
strager changed and voted JInxyjem (RV)
rust45 voted 0_o (RV)
JInxyjem voted strager (RV)
adam2046 voted Metruzero (RV)
Echo voted Wojjan (RV)
Metruzero voted Echo (RV)
adam2046 changed and voted Echo (RV)
strager changed again and voted Echo (RV)
Derekku Chan voted strager (RV)
Derekku Chan voted strager even bigger and blue now (RV)
Wojjan voted Echo (RY)
Wojjan changed and voted adam2046 (in the same post) (RV)
thepianist voted Wojjan (RV)
strager changed again again and voted Wojjan (RV)
Lucidity voted thepianist (RV)
Echo changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
adam2046 changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
rust45 changed and voted Echo (RV)
JInxyjem changed and voted rust45 (SV)
DeathxShinigami voted Wojjan (RV)
DeathxShinigami changed and voted thepianist (RV)
thepianist changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
adam2046 changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
DeathxShinigami changed again and voted rust45 (RV)
JInxyjem changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Wojjan changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Pasonia voted thepianist (SV)
Lucidity changed and voted Lucidity (?V)
0_o voted Wojjan (SV)
thepianist changed again and voted rust45 (SV)
adam2046 changed again again AGAIN and voted Echo (SV)
Wojjan changed again again and voted rust45 (SV)
Lucidity changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)
BagelBob voted strager (?V)
rust45 changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)
DeathxShinigami changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Ivalset voted Lucidity (SV)
Echo changed again and voted Wojjan (SV)
adam2046 changed again again AGAIN AGAIN and voted rust45 (SV)
Derekku Chan changed and voted Wojjan (SV)
BagelBob changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
Lucidity changed again again and voted Wojjan (SV)
Wojjan changed again again AGAIN and voted Lucidity (SV)
Pasonia changed and voted adam2046 (SV)
thepianist changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
strager changed again again AGAIN and voted adam2046 (SV)
BagelBob changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)

FINAL VOTECOUNT:
Lucidity - 5 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset, Wojjan, thepianist)
Wojjan - 4 (0_o, Echo, Derekku, Lucidity)
adam2046 - 4 (rust45, Pasonia, strager, Bagelbob)
rust45 - 1 (adam2046)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)

Day 2
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0_o voted for the Unknown Shadow (RV)
strager voted for Echo (SV)
adam2046 voted for Echo (SV)
Metruzero made a rift in time and unvoted some vote that was never made (???)
Metruzero voted Wojjan (RV)
0_o unvoted
DeathxShinigami voted Metruzero (?V)
Echo voted for adam (SV)
0_o changed and voted Echo (SV)
Echo unvoted

TEMPORAL VOTECOUNT:
Echo - 3 (strager, adam2046, 0_o)
Wojjan - 1 (Metruzero)
Metruzero - 1 (DeathxShinigammi)

Day 1

adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with Metruzero      
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with adam2046        Metruzero      
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager         with JInxyjem       
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (2) against strager         with JInxyjem        Derekku_Chan   
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (3) against Echo            with strager         adam2046        Metruzero      
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (1) against Wojjan          with Echo           
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with Echo            thepianist     
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Lucidity        with Echo           
rust45          jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with Metruzero      
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with strager         thepianist     
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (1) against thepianist      with Lucidity       
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (2) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo           
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (1) against rust45          with JInxyjem       
JInxyjem        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (4) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
Pasonia         jumped on bandwagon (1) against thepianist      with Lucidity       
Lucidity        jumped on bandwagon (5) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        adam2046        Echo            Wojjan          thepianist     
0_o             jumped on bandwagon (1) against Wojjan          with strager        
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (1) against rust45          with DeathxShinigami
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with rust45          Metruzero      
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (2) against rust45          with thepianist      DeathxShinigami
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager         with Derekku_Chan   
rust45          jumped on bandwagon (1) against adam2046        with Lucidity       
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (2) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Echo           
Ivalset         jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Echo            DeathxShinigami
Echo            jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with strager         0_o            
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (2) against rust45          with Wojjan          thepianist     
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (3) against Wojjan          with strager         Echo            0_o            
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        DeathxShinigami Ivalset        
Lucidity        jumped on bandwagon (4) against Wojjan          with strager         Echo            Derekku_Chan    0_o            
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (4) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        DeathxShinigami BagelBob        Ivalset        
Pasonia         jumped on bandwagon (1) against adam2046        with rust45         
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (5) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Wojjan          DeathxShinigami BagelBob        Ivalset        
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against adam2046        with rust45          Pasonia        
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (3) against adam2046        with strager         rust45          Pasonia        

Day 2

adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with strager        
0_o             jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with strager         adam2046       

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tl;dr also lol bandwagoning

and wow adam sure does changes his vote a lot *insert suspicion here*

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

Ohh, those posts. I have explanations for those you know. If that's all that gives suspicion on me...

strager wrote:

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

This vote wasn't based on any facts. I didn't really read the other votes yet, and missed out on th fact that 0_o had already 2 votes on him.

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

It was a vote with the majority to move things along to the next day. In the first day, we can't really get a lot of info so I thought we might aswell move on to day 2, with some night actions people can comment/base arguments on. (I was however proven wrong, since that post ironically flared up the discussion :/)

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

This seems to have caused a bit of an uproar, so I have my DSi to blame. This post was made on the day I was on the road all the time, and to not fall behind here, I tried to establish a vote for rust in the 10 minutes I was home, since he was changing votes often, and usually for random reasons that "late" in the game. Yet, my DSi's power has a limit, and non-stop Kirby: Mouse Attack the other day didn't do it well. I lost connection thinking I made my post, and hence I referred to it in the message you quoted.

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

I voted for Lucidity in the way he voted me. If I don't receive any decent arguments to go on, I can't discredit a lot, now can I? Whatever I said and did others did too.

As JInxy can say it nicely

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan.

Lucidity voted for me out of danger to get lynched off himself, not out of decent arguments. The only thing he has, and had repeated oftly, was that

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

You and Wojjan are so suspicious

U. N. Wojjan were suspicious? Yup, just like that. Reasons in the above posts mostly apply to adam instead of both, and

You and adam seem to act in unison

is supposed to pull me into suspicion too. Which apparently worked.

Second, I DID defend myself in this post. After my post, the remnants of Lucidity's arguments idiotic pleas for votechanges were broken down to bite-size feeble nothingness.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

This vote wasn't based on any facts. I didn't really read the other votes yet, and missed out on th fact that 0_o had already 2 votes on him.

Right, which is why I wrote that.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

It was a vote with the majority to move things along to the next day. In the first day, we can't really get a lot of info so I thought we might aswell move on to day 2, with some night actions people can comment/base arguments on. (I was however proven wrong, since that post ironically flared up the discussion :/)

I still don't see how ending the Day early helps.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

This seems to have caused a bit of an uproar, so I have my DSi to blame. This post was made on the day I was on the road all the time, and to not fall behind here, I tried to establish a vote for rust in the 10 minutes I was home, since he was changing votes often, and usually for random reasons that "late" in the game. Yet, my DSi's power has a limit, and non-stop Kirby: Mouse Attack the other day didn't do it well. I lost connection thinking I made my post, and hence I referred to it in the message you quoted.

So you forgot to post something? Why did you have a FOS on rust?

(I have to get off now; will comment on the rest later.)

Adam was "more" buddying than the Pasonia example you gave. Pasonia said "I like strager's logic", whereas Adam said "I'm going to do whatever strager does". But this isn't a good scumtell in this game anyway, like I said in my last post. Too many possibilities of people knowing each other due to roles.

strager wrote:

and that's where you think we somehow know each other are on the same team (e.g. Mafia or Masons as you suggest, or some other role(s))

I never suggested Masons :/

This post and the one after it - why are you so eager to "confirm" to us that you're unrelated?

Ivalset has disappeared on us, as has Pasonia, Metruzero and neo@lex. Metruzero and neo@lex are the most suspicious - they have both made just one useless post per day. I'm picking neo@lex over Metruzero because Metruzero has at least voted - even though they're unjustified.

Vote: neo@lex
FOS: Metruzero

Derekku Chan wrote:

and wow adam sure does changes his vote a lot *insert suspicion here*

I've been suspicious of him for quite some time. And this is not just me saying this, I have made other posts about my suspicion of him, so don't be lazy and look back if you have to.

Vote: Adam

Echo wrote:

Ivalset has disappeared on us, as has Pasonia, Metruzero and neo@lex. Metruzero and neo@lex are the most suspicious - they have both made just one useless post per day. I'm picking neo@lex over Metruzero because Metruzero has at least voted - even though they're unjustified.

You make very good points about my lack of participation, and I would like to apologize about wasting everyone's time in this game. I already sent a PM to Suburu telling her to replace me. Sorry for and inconvenience I posed in this thread.

Starrodkirby86 replaces Metruzero as of now.

Hi Starrod! Try to read as much of the thread as possible before making any calls

YAY! Rod!

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

I voted for Lucidity in the way he voted me. If I don't receive any decent arguments to go on, I can't discredit a lot, now can I? Whatever I said and did others did too.

[...]

Second, I DID defend myself in this post. After my post, the remnants of Lucidity's arguments idiotic pleas for votechanges were broken down to bite-size feeble nothingness.

Normally, when you vote for someone, you see or create arguments against the person you are voting for, before you vote for them. You did so after, you say?

And Lucidity was using other peoples' arguments as reason to vote for you, in addition to her own personal arguments (even if they really aren't arguments; they're still a side to an issue).

Wojjan wrote:

As JInxy can say it nicely

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan.

Lucidity voted for me out of danger to get lynched off himself, not out of decent arguments. The only thing he has, and had repeated oftly, was that

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

You and Wojjan are so suspicious

U. N. Wojjan were suspicious? Yup, just like that. Reasons in the above posts mostly apply to adam instead of both, and

You and adam seem to act in unison

is supposed to pull me into suspicion too. Which apparently worked.

Lucidity's inexperienced. I and someone else have mentioned that she is behaving here like I did in my first game, M2.

Echo wrote:

Adam was "more" buddying than the Pasonia example you gave. Pasonia said "I like strager's logic", whereas Adam said "I'm going to do whatever strager does".

lolz.

It's more like, "strager's doing what I would be doing (or would want to be doing), so I'll just say that and be bashed for apparently buddying etc. etc."

Echo, I know you're not stupid enough to vote for people who aren't very active. That makes you more suspicious in my eyes.

Also, I'm inclined to believe neo@lex is a Mafia with you and you're trying to alleviate suspicion of you two both being Mafia together... (I.e. when one of you dies and is shown to be a Mafia, the other will be less suspicious.) Yes, this is WIFOM, but your choice seems too intentional and too controversial to have no hidden meaning behind it, I think.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand...

Hello, Starrodkirby2046. Don't fail us. =]

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Why do I have a feeling that Wojjan is using me?

FOS: Wojjan

Oh well.. Unvote

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I'm going to a cottage with friends for the weekend, so I'll be inactive for 36 hours or so. I'll read through everything and post my thoughts when I get back.

Pasonia wrote:

Think, Ival, THINK! We need you to kick-start your brain juices!

You can't do that yourself?

Pasonia wrote:

Also withholding vote until more information arrives.

Ehh ... That's a pretty fishy statement if you ask me.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo, I know you're not stupid enough to vote for people who aren't very active.

Wrong - look at all the past ww/m games. Most of the people who didn't talk much were the bad guys. Back in M1 I didn't vote YK because I wasn't sure of this tell. Now I know better.

It's not a scum tell. It just so happens that they were inactive. Again, see M2: Derekku, nardi, Olinad were all inactive pretty much, but Derekku was the only of the three who was a Mafia. Maybe Derekku was hiding behind that fact; I don't know, but that seems kinda smart.

If you can provide convincing arguments otherwise, e.g. supporting your inactive == scum idea, I still think your vote is pretty baseless.

Ivalset wrote:

"Buddying": In the past four pages or so, strager did all of adam's defense for him.

Hmm, I guess I have. adam hasn't commented on anything really. I didn't realize I was "returning" the "buddying." What do you have to say for this, adam?

Votecount:

Echo - 3 (strager, adam2046, 0_o)
Wojjan - 1 (StarrodKirby86)
neo@lex - 1 (Echo)
adam2046 - 1 (rust45)

Note to all: Deadline is in 2.5 hours.

Very likely giving an extension.

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Note: If I do extend, it won't be a long extention.

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adam, do you completely agree with all I've said? Do you have anything to comment on at ALL? I find it hard to believe you could only agree with one side of all my arguments.

If I do, I'll be sure to point it out.

adam's a Mafia!

Unknown Shadow: Analyzing the situation, I would have to find adam's actions the most suspicious.

Vote: adam2046

Unknown Shadow, what actions in particular? To me it seems as if his most major actions are (1) pointing out Jester, and (2) buddying with me. This seems to be Echo's argument against adam too (correct me if I'm wrong).

Unknown Shadow: He seems to be buddying with you, that is part of it, yes. However, he also is doing a lot of wishy-washy voting. Not only that, but he's not really trying to defend himself, and sometimes votes with no reason, or votes following behind someone else.

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I don't need to defend myself (and when I do, strager gets in first...)

And I'm still yet to go make a vote. I have done some neglectfulness around, but I'll try and update myself fully into this world.

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Pasonia wrote:

Also withholding vote until more information arrives.

Ehh ... That's a pretty fishy statement if you ask me.

I wouldn't think that withholding votes until later would be fishy. Informed decisions are win! lol.

strager seems to be attacking most statements made by everyone. oh well.

to be truthful, I do think that adam's the jester. [/avoids vote] he wanted an extension on day one and didn't mind the possibility of getting lynched. I think something like...

viewtopic.php?p=154303#p154303
viewtopic.php?p=154960#p154960
viewtopic.php?p=155053#p155053
viewtopic.php?p=155886#p155886

It's a hunch and doesn't mean anything... much of his posts weren't too meaningful.

Vote Derekku Chan

His posts are slightly more meaningful than adam's but not as much so...

thepianist wrote:

Vote Derekku Chan

His posts are slightly more meaningful than adam's but not as much so...

...If my posts are meaningful, then why are you voting for me? That makes no sense.

EDIT: IIRC, your posts have only agreed with others and to vote. That's not very "meaningful" in my eyes =|

Vote adam2046
Derekku seems suspicious to me, but adam seems stupiddr. Refusing to defend yourself is kinda stupid considering you had the chance to throw all the suspicion right back at Strager. If you've got a hax role, we're fucked.

thepianist wrote:

to be truthful, I do think that adam's the jester. [/avoids vote] he wanted an extension on day one and didn't mind the possibility of getting lynched. I think something like...

viewtopic.php?p=154303#p154303
Figure of speech
viewtopic.php?p=154960#p154960
Joke
viewtopic.php?p=155053#p155053
What are you trying to say? This seems irrelevant.
viewtopic.php?p=155886#p155886
Extra time = extra discussion

Find where I say that I wouldn't mind being lynched.

neo@lex wrote:

Vote adam2046
Derekku seems suspicious to me, but adam seems stupiddr. Refusing to defend yourself is kinda stupid considering you had the chance to throw all the suspicion right back at Strager. If you've got a hax role, we're fucked.

I have no idea what the fuck you are saying.
You want me to accuse strager of being mafia or something?
I refuse to defend myself because what people have been saying up till now is quite true, I have been "buddying" with strager and my votes have been quite wishy washy.

Derekku Chan wrote:

...If my posts are meaningful, then why are you voting for me? That makes no sense.

He doesn't want to vote me because he thinks I'm the jester so the next best person to vote for is apparently you.

Wojjan wrote:

Let's score a majority then, if he'll get lynched anyway. No point in waiting for 2 more days for the deadline to kick in

Vote Lucidity to move things along

It wasn't certain that Lucidity was going to be lynched. Only a few people were suspicious of Lucidity. You were pretty determined to move things quickly and kill them. BUT, Lucidity turned out to be innocent. HMM

Wojjan wrote:

Lucidity, don't act all "you're trying to kill me ;((" since you tried to kill yourself aswell. You VOTED for you, you claimed Mafia, and now you suddenly turn around, jump the shark, and try to survive.
I think the town won't buy your show and if the Mafia doesn't get you, we WILL.

Lucidity made random votes and joked around like everyone else. Why were you their case so harshly? I thought this was pretty retarded.

Wojjan wrote:

Wait wait wait, did I miss something? Is Lucidity suddenly the general force of truth that should be listened to at all times? Because seeing as his argument is only based on things I said and others said as well, I don't see why his suspicion is on me.

vote: Lucidity if I haven't done so already

The suspicion is on you because you were acting fucking stupid and doing what I've already said multiple times.

In your post here, you made a list of all the votes. Your multiple serious vote changes made me even more suspicious of you. Great job nailing yourself on that

In this post you defended yourself, but I'm going to comment on some things from there below.

Regarding ending the day to move to Day 2

Wojjan wrote:

It was a vote with the majority to move things along to the next day. In the first day, we can't really get a lot of info so I thought we might as well move on to day 2, with some night actions people can comment/base arguments on. (I was however proven wrong, since that post ironically flared up the discussion :/)

True, but I personally saw nothing wrong with Lucidity. They were joking and having fun, yet you kept attacking them for the stupidest shit. You obviously won't change your opinion of this matter, so I have nothing else to say either.

Regarding Lucidity voting for Wojjan

Wojjan wrote:

I voted for Lucidity in the way he voted me. If I don't receive any decent arguments to go on, I can't discredit a lot, now can I? Whatever I said and did others did too.

I believe Lucidity voted for you for the same reasons I did (throwing all the suspicion at them). You voted for Lucidity because they were joking around. I don't see how that's "the same".

Also this

Wojjan wrote:

Lucidity voted for me out of danger to get lynched off himself, not out of decent arguments. The only thing he has, and had repeated oftly

You don't know that for sure. I guess this is strengthened by the fact that Lucidity was innocent.

I think that's it.

Five minute warning.

Time's Up.

*There was about to be no lynch, there weren't enough supporters for any group. However...*

adam2046: Fools! Behold the beauty of my guts!

*and adam killed himself on the spot (via cutting his stomach open). A few people chuckled, most stared in shock. Adam's face, was smiling the whole time.*

adam2046 - Jester - Lynched D2

adam2046 wins!

But wait!

The game's not over.

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strager: Please do not post anything at all at night. Even if it is just a smiley.

*After the night passes, you find strager dead, bullet through the chest. Looking through his belongings, you find a police badge, and a list of suspects whom he was almost sure were guilty.*

*...*

*Everyone's name was on the list.*

strager - Overly Paranoid Cop - Killed N2.
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It is now day three. With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday at the time of this post.

My vote for Wojjan still stands. :S

Great, now I don't know who to vote for, I'll just wait and see how the conversation goes, but it's not looking good for the town.

[quote="I wrote here":4c401]

adam2046 wrote:

So if Lucidity is jester, it's in the mafia's best interests to NK her tonight (since the jester loses that way) if she's still alive tomorrow I will lynch her. (and I strongly urge everyone else to do so aswell)

Already pointed out by Lucidity - you're seem compelled to kill Lucidty for some reason, to the extent that you would openly invite everyone to join your lynch. This move is obviously extremely scummy, which I'm sure you know. Furthermore, you were the first person to even suggest the Jester existed. It's much more likely that you are the Jester, if such a role exists.I won't say "I told you so"

Why didn't I see this earlier?

BagelBob wrote:

Also, I want to strongly recommend that all night actions be used on Echo.

If you have an investigation, it's important for the town to know if Echo is an evil wolf and going to doom us all.
If you have a protection, it's important that Echo is alive, because Echo is smart and could doom the wolves.
If you have an invite to a secret society, having Echo in there could really give you a boost.
If you have a night kill, you might want to save it. Or you might want to kill Echo on if you think he's a wolf.
If you have a revive, why are you considering a night action?
If you have a voteblock, are you a member of the Mafia?

BagelBob really wrote:

Also, I want Echo out of here since he's a threat to me.

If you have an investigation, tell me if he has an Aux so if it's worth lynching him
If you have a protection, use it on Echo, because then I can kill him the next night.
If you have an invite to a secret society, invite Echo, then he's no longer going a townie going for the Mafia but a third party.
If you have a night kill, you might want to save it. Then I'll kill him instead.
Blah
Unimportance

Super scummy power activate
vote: BagelBob

Voting for dead people can never be a good strategy.

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I'm back, and still a little suspicious of Echo but Wojjan is still irking me (I'm pretty sure I explained why earlier)

vote Wojjan

Can we ban strager from threads he's dead in since it seems like he can't control himself?

Echo wrote:

Can we ban strager from threads he's dead in since it seems like he can't control himself?

I think "I lol'd" was his last words...

...Wow. neo@lex made only 2 gameplay posts. Inactivity is one thing, but this...

Vote: neo@lex

Hm, who to vote for...to many people being inactive hurts this game from moving on so...

Vote: Neo@lex

Saying that someone is scum based on inactivity is WIFOM thinking. In every game I've been in so far, the inactive people have been innocent. I don't think someone with an important role like mafia/aux would be inactive. But who knows, it could be scum this time :<

Keeping my vote as is for now, though.

Wow derekku

Derekku Chan wrote:

Saying that someone is scum based on inactivity is WIFOM thinking. In every game I've been in so far, the inactive people have been innocent. I don't think someone with an important role like mafia/aux would be inactive. But who knows, it could be scum this time :<

Keeping my vote as is for now, though.

In this post you say that people who are inactive are usually innocent humans, but you don't seem to care if we vote them or not, seen as in

Derekku Chan wrote:

But who knows, it could be scum this time :<

Also, you're really steadfast to tell everyone your vote for me still stands. Really, that's a very serious vote you have going there and I can't wait to see you say it's really gonna stay for a third/fourth time. Really, nothing scummy about that at all.
/sarcasm
Vote: Derekku Chan

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1) 3 edits. What the hell.
2)This

Derekku Chan wrote:

EDIT: Actually, it should've been implied by my most that I DO care if inactives are killed off. If they haven't posted, then we know nothing about them and thus shouldn't be lynched just for being inactive. We could by killing an important aux role.

contradicts this

Derekku Chan wrote:

But who knows, it could be scum this time :<

since you obviously try to keep the votes here, and have a possible townie lynched off
inb4WIFOM

also, this

Derekku Chan wrote:

I was just stating that I'm not going to change my vote to someone else.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Keeping my vote as is for now, though.

Derekku Chan wrote:

My vote for Wojjan still stands. :S

makes 3 times. we KNOW you won't change your vote by not changing your vote. Why so dedicated to making us know for sure?

Wojjan wrote:

1) 3 edits. What the hell.

I have a habit of thinking of more things after hitting the post button XP

Wojjan wrote:

2)This

Derekku Chan wrote:

EDIT: Actually, it should've been implied by my most that I DO care if inactives are killed off. If they haven't posted, then we know nothing about them and thus shouldn't be lynched just for being inactive. We could by killing an important aux role.

contradicts this

Derekku Chan wrote:

But who knows, it could be scum this time :<

since you obviously try to keep the votes here, and have a possible townie lynched off
inb4WIFOM

Uh, no it doesn't. Let me elaborate since you're obviously not understanding me. I said that we SHOULDN'T lynch someone JUST for being inactive. It SEEMS like the inactives are USUALLY innocent, but we don't know for sure. Do you get what I'm saying now?

Wojjan wrote:

also, this

Derekku Chan wrote:

I was just stating that I'm not going to change my vote to someone else.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Keeping my vote as is for now, though.

Derekku Chan wrote:

My vote for Wojjan still stands. :S

makes 3 times. we KNOW you won't change your vote by not changing your vote. Why so dedicated to making us know for sure?

The third one you pointed out was my vote for the day. The second one in your list is what I elaborated on in your first list item. I'm not "reinforcing" my vote, I'm just elaborating on it.

Seriously, stop twisting my words around using these little word arguments. They're not helping your case and it's just making you look even more scummy

Derekku Chan wrote:

I have a habit of thinking of more things after hitting the post button XP

there's this handy thing called preview

Uh, no it doesn't. Let me elaborate since you're obviously not understanding me. I said that we SHOULDN'T lynch someone JUST for being inactive. It SEEMS like the inactives are USUALLY innocent, but we don't know for sure. Do you get what I'm saying now?

then why are you bringing it up in the first place? Simply to get us distracted from the case, as Bobby would put it.

I'm not "reinforcing" my vote, I'm just elaborating on it.

you said the exact same 3 times. You vote for me. How is that elaborated?

Seriously, stop twisting my words around using these little word arguments. They're not helping your case and it's just making you look even more scummy :P

Yes, since pointing out the holes in your posts is obviously scummy and should be punished with my very life.
Bad me, stop looking for scum in posts.

Wojjan wrote:

/sarcasm

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DeathxShinigami wrote:

Hm, who to vote for...to many people being inactive hurts this game from moving on so...

Screw you, I have work.

Starrodkirby86 (day 2) wrote:

And I'm still yet to go make a vote. I have done some neglectfulness around, but I'll try and update myself fully into this world.

... and you haven't made a post since.

Lurking is a scumtell because by doing so you're avoiding talking (posting). And by doing that, people can't gather any information or evidence about said people, which means it's virtually impossible to get them lynched for anything except for lurking.

If you guys decide lurking is a null tell, then good luck finding scum. All they would have to do is just not post and you'll never lynch them.

Echo wrote:

Lurking is a scumtell because by doing so you're avoiding talking (posting). And by doing that, people can't gather any information or evidence about said people, which means it's virtually impossible to get them lynched for anything except for lurking.

Iono - I don't think it is a definite scumtell since sometimes RL gets in the way and you don't want to make a 1 min post that makes no sense. It's slightly easier to just read and post a reply sometime when free time comes around.

But I feel that DeathxShinigami is bandwagoning on JInxyjem's post.

Vote DeathxShinigami
(at least for now.)

neo@lex wrote:

Screw you, I have work.

Unless its importance is higher than HIGH, I don't see why you only have time to post 4 times in this thread.

ooh yes.

votecount please?

And also how many hours until deadline?

thepianist wrote:

But I feel that DeathxShinigami is bandwagoning on JInxyjem's post.

Vote DeathxShinigami
(at least for now.)

Bandwagoning isn't really a way to tell scum in bigger Mafia games, since there exist roles as Masons, who know certain people which are human. Similar roles can be Siblings and Cults. There might be other, but those are the ones I can name from the top of my head.

Mm, Echo, it's more of that I'm rather lurking or looking at the thread trying to think of who to vote...but my indecisive self seems to get the best of me, resulting not.

I made a decision, and I kind of forgive any offense in it...

Vote: Wojjan

(still <3 you)

Wojjan wrote:

Bandwagoning isn't really a way to tell scum in bigger Mafia games, since there exist roles as Masons, who know certain people which are human. Similar roles can be Siblings and Cults.

This begs the question - are you a mason, sibling, or cult member/leader? I'm sure you one of the above.

If you're mason, then we can find out who we don't need to lynch.
If you're siblings with a mafia member (or you're mafia yourself) then it's not that huge a price to pay, since 1 for 1 is acceptable for town.
If you're a cult member (or the leader), then of course we don't want another third party to win