Time's up! No extention is the verdict!

Final Votecount:

Lucidity - 5 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset, Wojjan, thepianist)
Wojjan - 4 (0_o, Echo, Derekku, Lucidity)
adam2046 - 4 (rust45, Pasonia, strager, Bagelbob)
rust45 - 1 (adam2046)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)

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*Everyone was laughing at Lucidity, mainly because there was this funny hat on her head. They hung her, some of them thinking she could be a jester, others convinced otherwise that she was scum. Mafia.*

*However, this was not the case. A book, looking like a form of the bible dropped from her pocket. It contained but one phrase. You all heard her proclaim this, yet lynched her anyway. Oh well.*

There IS a jester.

Lucidity - Knowledgable Townie - Lynched D1

Lucidity's proclamation is now confirmed by her death. The presence of a jester is now known.

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It is now Night 1, please send in all night actions by TOMORROW at this time.

Also: Don't complain about the short night. This is basically a test game, get over it. ;P

*giggles*

*Night ends, and you find Bagelbob's corpse with a bullet through the brain. Luckilly for you, the mafia weren't smart enough to take the oh-so-familliar book from Bagel's hand.*

There are four mafia.

*Reading this out of Bagel's book, you can only assume he was the same as Lucidity.*

Bagelbob - Knowledgable Townie - Killed N1

Bagel's subtle declaration that there are four mafia is confirmed.

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It is now D2


With 14 alive, it's 8 to ly---

*A mysterious figure walks into the area, but says nothing. He stares creepilly at you all. Who is this Unknown Shadow?*

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

Deadline is the 10th at 5:00 PM Central

0_o wrote:

vote: Unknown Shadow

Wha.

Uknown shadow has been working against the town by contributing nothing to the conversation and generally being mysterious.


Also his jokes suck. (and he stinks)

Mod: Please prod Metruzero

Already done.

Any guess as to what a Knowledgeable Townie "does?"

I would guess he has some information about the game, which is revealed to himself in the role PM and to all players on death. Any other "catches?"

I wonder if there are any others.

I'm sorta suspicious of adam being a Jester now...

strager wrote:

Any guess as to what a Knowledgeable Townie "does?"

I would guess he has some information about the game, which is revealed to himself in the role PM and to all players on death. Any other "catches?"

I wonder if there are any others.

I'm sorta suspicious of adam being a Jester now...

Yep that's what it does.

I dunno about adam being the jester though, I thought the same thing about Lucidity being the jester when she first claimed mafia, I just didn't post it.
Also, pretty interesting how the only one who actually knew there was a jester (besides the jester themselves) was accused of being one

EDIT: woah guys, check this out..
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Judas
do you think this is what the unknown shadow is?

mod: the unknown shadow is a normal player right? They can be killed/lynched?

I think Knowledgeable Townie gets to ask one question about roles maybe. (maybe per day?)
Such as, "is there a x?" "how many x?" etc.
But not direct questions such as "is x a y?"

0_o wrote:

Yep that's what it does.

I dunno about adam being the jester though, I thought the same thing about Lucidity being the jester when she first claimed mafia, I just didn't post it.
Also, pretty interesting how the only one who actually knew there was a jester (besides the jester themselves) was accused of being one

EDIT: woah guys, check this out..
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Judas
do you think this is what the unknown shadow is?

mod: the unknown shadow is a normal player right? They can be killed/lynched?

Sort of. Anything the unknown shadow says comes from me. It CAN be lynched and killed though.

I could have sworn I read a MafiaWiki article that explained Knowledgeable townies before, but now I can't find it..

So I guess the Unknown Shadow is a Mafia? It it comes from a dead player, and swaps alignment, then the only conclusion is that this new player is a Mafia.

However, I am suspecting something else is up with this character. EDIT: Being mod-controlled, he could be a valuable asset.

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Echo wrote:

Why do you (strager) want to know how the knowledgeable townie works? I say the less information available to the Mafia about this (and any other) special role, the better. That way, we might be able to catch them off guard.

If I was mafia, this is (almost)exactly what I would say.
Just saying is all ^_^

Echo wrote:

Why do you (strager) want to know how the knowledgeable townie works? I say the less information available to the Mafia about this (and any other) special role, the better. That way, we might be able to catch them off guard.

Maybe, but someone else with this role may slip as well.

That comment there is aweful scummy, too... The information given so far has been helpful for the Town and not for the Mafia at all, as far as I can see. I can see no danger in the release of this information unless it's about a specific person (e.g. player X is the Doctor).

On that small bit of suspicion, I'll make my vote.

Vote: Echo

adam ninja'd me, heh.

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HEY COOL A TALKING SHADOW!

*pokes*

awwww its a person.

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where are the other people? ie Pasonia...JInxyjem...

I'll hold back my vote for now.

LadySuburu wrote:

Unknown Shadow: Well, that's not a pleasent way to be greeted. *Dusts off Tuxedo*

Unknown Shadow: I was sent here to help you all find mafia. I don't know any of you personally, so I may be able to be of help most in those situations where you need an outside view. Of course, I still get my own vote, but I will listen closely to all arguments made from each side.

*Bows*

*Holds a flashlight and points it towards shadow*

LOOKIE! A HUMAN!

and btw. Unvote: Echo
Vote: Wojjan

well then

unvote

this'll be interesting..

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strager wrote:

The information given so far has been helpful for the Town and not for the Mafia at all, as far as I can see. I can see no danger in the release of this information unless it's about a specific person (e.g. player X is the Doctor).

Asking for what a specific role does in this game is tantamount to rolefishing, since no one except the person/people who got that role would know exactly how that role works, because Suburu messed around with the rules for roles as far as I can tell.

Townies have no benefit from knowing who has what role, so the only people who would want to know are the Mafia, so they can know who to target at night.

Metruzero wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Unknown Shadow: Well, that's not a pleasent way to be greeted. *Dusts off Tuxedo*

Unknown Shadow: I was sent here to help you all find mafia. I don't know any of you personally, so I may be able to be of help most in those situations where you need an outside view. Of course, I still get my own vote, but I will listen closely to all arguments made from each side.

*Bows*

*Holds a flashlight and points it towards shadow*

LOOKIE! A HUMAN!

and btw. Unvote: Echo
Vote: Wojjan

And Metru swoops in to make his weekly post, votes for me while lacking any reason and edits his post twice.
Well done!
HOS: Metruzero

HOS? Hand of suspicion? lol

I'm back~
I'm gonna have to agree with Wojjan here. In pretty much every game people seem to jump on him for pretty much no reason, and most of those people are later revealed to be mafia/wolves.

Why is that Metruzero hasn't contributed or hinted at any of the information so far? Sounds like someone's hiding in the shadows.

Vote: Metruzero

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

The information given so far has been helpful for the Town and not for the Mafia at all, as far as I can see. I can see no danger in the release of this information unless it's about a specific person (e.g. player X is the Doctor).

Townies have no benefit from knowing who has what role, so the only people who would want to know are the Mafia, so they can know who to target at night.

That's what I said.

adam voted for Echo with me because he didn't want to use just "I would say that if I were a Mafia" as an excuse for voting.

Wtf at Metruzero's vote???

Unknown Shadow: WHO sent you?

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Unknown Shadow: I was sent by the deceased LadySuburu. As I have no real way to prove this, you may choose if you trust me or not. However, It will be hard for me to help you if you don't trust me.

adam2046 wrote:

strager's great, it's like I don't have to say anything the entire game.

Sounds like buddying to me.

Vote: adam

More detailed post later, rushing through breakfast for the bus right now.

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

strager's great, it's like I don't have to say anything the entire game.

Too bad BanchoBait's gone. D=

Did peppy ban it? XP

Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

strager's great, it's like I don't have to say anything the entire game.

Too bad BanchoBait's gone. D=

Did peppy ban it? XP

Harddrive failure.

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I gotta say, strager is really making a case here

vote Echo

I'm human, I'm allowed to misread and misunderstand, aren't I?

No idea what your second point means.

Third point - different kind of information. Information about how each role in the game works is beneficial to Mafia moreso than to town, whereas information about each person and how they're playing is beneficial to town than Mafia.

See point 1. I misread, clarified when told so by editing the post, and followed up with another post saying so. You're grasping at straws, strager.

I will post more later.

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You see what I mean?
strager certainly does. ^_^

I think you're both just grasping at straws >_>

(even though there isn't a whole lot to go on in the first place...)

I'll reread through tomorrow and give my own thoughts :@

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Echo wrote:

Buddying is usually bad in a standard game because there is no way for townies to *know* anyone is safe to talk to/back up/etc. so soon. Therefore, only Mafia would use it to either cast suspicion on other people, etc..

adam isn't agreeing with me because of my role/alignment. He's agreeing with my argument against you. That's where you get your "buddying" idea, and that's where you think we somehow know each other are on the same team (e.g. Mafia or Masons as you suggest, or some other role(s)) or at least adam knows I am on the same team he is (e.g. we are both Townies and adam investigated me last night as a Cop). (Note: I'm not making any role claims for myself or saying adam is any role either.)

Derekku/Echo, Straws are better than nothing. If you have anything better than nothing as an argument please present it. Otherwise, Echo seems the most likely to be a Mafia to me.

strager wrote:

Derekku/Echo, Straws are better than nothing.

I agree, even though I got bitched at in Mafia 3 for saying the same thing =|

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Echo, would you consider his buddying too? viewtopic.php?p=155388#p155388

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

strager wrote:

Do you have a brain there Derekku? Can you use it, maybe? =]

I said I've been busy and will post soon. Go bother the other people who haven't posted instead <3

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

A butterfly, duh.

Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

It should be noted that I have no idea what strager is.

Neither I adam.

A butterfly, duh.

adam doesn't hang out in the IRL thread.

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I believe he has eyes, which means he can see your avatar :3

*runs*

strager wrote:

Mod: Will the span of a Day increase as the game goes on? Like, if the player count is reduced to 11 go for 5-day Days, and 7 to 7-day Days? Similar expansions for Night?

No, the game will remain at the same deadline length unless I feel a need to extend it. Currently, the length seems to be fine.

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Vote list:
(RV) is random/silly vote
(SV) is serious vote
(?V) no idea
correct me when I'm wrong on this

Day 1
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strager voted rust45 (RV)
strager changed and voted JInxyjem (RV)
rust45 voted 0_o (RV)
JInxyjem voted strager (RV)
adam2046 voted Metruzero (RV)
Echo voted Wojjan (RV)
Metruzero voted Echo (RV)
adam2046 changed and voted Echo (RV)
strager changed again and voted Echo (RV)
Derekku Chan voted strager (RV)
Derekku Chan voted strager even bigger and blue now (RV)
Wojjan voted Echo (RY)
Wojjan changed and voted adam2046 (in the same post) (RV)
thepianist voted Wojjan (RV)
strager changed again again and voted Wojjan (RV)
Lucidity voted thepianist (RV)
Echo changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
adam2046 changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
rust45 changed and voted Echo (RV)
JInxyjem changed and voted rust45 (SV)
DeathxShinigami voted Wojjan (RV)
DeathxShinigami changed and voted thepianist (RV)
thepianist changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
adam2046 changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
DeathxShinigami changed again and voted rust45 (RV)
JInxyjem changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Wojjan changed again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Pasonia voted thepianist (SV)
Lucidity changed and voted Lucidity (?V)
0_o voted Wojjan (SV)
thepianist changed again and voted rust45 (SV)
adam2046 changed again again AGAIN and voted Echo (SV)
Wojjan changed again again and voted rust45 (SV)
Lucidity changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)
BagelBob voted strager (?V)
rust45 changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)
DeathxShinigami changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
Ivalset voted Lucidity (SV)
Echo changed again and voted Wojjan (SV)
adam2046 changed again again AGAIN AGAIN and voted rust45 (SV)
Derekku Chan changed and voted Wojjan (SV)
BagelBob changed and voted Lucidity (SV)
Lucidity changed again again and voted Wojjan (SV)
Wojjan changed again again AGAIN and voted Lucidity (SV)
Pasonia changed and voted adam2046 (SV)
thepianist changed again again and voted Lucidity (SV)
strager changed again again AGAIN and voted adam2046 (SV)
BagelBob changed again and voted adam2046 (SV)

FINAL VOTECOUNT:
Lucidity - 5 (JInxyjem, DxS, Ivalset, Wojjan, thepianist)
Wojjan - 4 (0_o, Echo, Derekku, Lucidity)
adam2046 - 4 (rust45, Pasonia, strager, Bagelbob)
rust45 - 1 (adam2046)
Echo - 1 (Metruzero)

Day 2
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0_o voted for the Unknown Shadow (RV)
strager voted for Echo (SV)
adam2046 voted for Echo (SV)
Metruzero made a rift in time and unvoted some vote that was never made (???)
Metruzero voted Wojjan (RV)
0_o unvoted
DeathxShinigami voted Metruzero (?V)
Echo voted for adam (SV)
0_o changed and voted Echo (SV)
Echo unvoted

TEMPORAL VOTECOUNT:
Echo - 3 (strager, adam2046, 0_o)
Wojjan - 1 (Metruzero)
Metruzero - 1 (DeathxShinigammi)

Day 1

adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with Metruzero      
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with adam2046        Metruzero      
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager         with JInxyjem       
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (2) against strager         with JInxyjem        Derekku_Chan   
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (3) against Echo            with strager         adam2046        Metruzero      
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (1) against Wojjan          with Echo           
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with Echo            thepianist     
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Lucidity        with Echo           
rust45          jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with Metruzero      
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with strager         thepianist     
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (1) against thepianist      with Lucidity       
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (2) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo           
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (1) against rust45          with JInxyjem       
JInxyjem        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (4) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        adam2046        Echo            thepianist     
Pasonia         jumped on bandwagon (1) against thepianist      with Lucidity       
Lucidity        jumped on bandwagon (5) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        adam2046        Echo            Wojjan          thepianist     
0_o             jumped on bandwagon (1) against Wojjan          with strager        
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (1) against rust45          with DeathxShinigami
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with rust45          Metruzero      
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (2) against rust45          with thepianist      DeathxShinigami
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager         with Derekku_Chan   
rust45          jumped on bandwagon (1) against adam2046        with Lucidity       
DeathxShinigami jumped on bandwagon (2) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Echo           
Ivalset         jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Echo            DeathxShinigami
Echo            jumped on bandwagon (2) against Wojjan          with strager         0_o            
adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (2) against rust45          with Wojjan          thepianist     
Derekku_Chan    jumped on bandwagon (3) against Wojjan          with strager         Echo            0_o            
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (3) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        DeathxShinigami Ivalset        
Lucidity        jumped on bandwagon (4) against Wojjan          with strager         Echo            Derekku_Chan    0_o            
Wojjan          jumped on bandwagon (4) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        DeathxShinigami BagelBob        Ivalset        
Pasonia         jumped on bandwagon (1) against adam2046        with rust45         
thepianist      jumped on bandwagon (5) against Lucidity        with JInxyjem        Wojjan          DeathxShinigami BagelBob        Ivalset        
strager         jumped on bandwagon (2) against adam2046        with rust45          Pasonia        
BagelBob        jumped on bandwagon (3) against adam2046        with strager         rust45          Pasonia        

Day 2

adam2046        jumped on bandwagon (1) against Echo            with strager        
0_o             jumped on bandwagon (2) against Echo            with strager         adam2046       

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tl;dr also lol bandwagoning

and wow adam sure does changes his vote a lot *insert suspicion here*

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

Ohh, those posts. I have explanations for those you know. If that's all that gives suspicion on me...

strager wrote:

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

This vote wasn't based on any facts. I didn't really read the other votes yet, and missed out on th fact that 0_o had already 2 votes on him.

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

It was a vote with the majority to move things along to the next day. In the first day, we can't really get a lot of info so I thought we might aswell move on to day 2, with some night actions people can comment/base arguments on. (I was however proven wrong, since that post ironically flared up the discussion :/)

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

This seems to have caused a bit of an uproar, so I have my DSi to blame. This post was made on the day I was on the road all the time, and to not fall behind here, I tried to establish a vote for rust in the 10 minutes I was home, since he was changing votes often, and usually for random reasons that "late" in the game. Yet, my DSi's power has a limit, and non-stop Kirby: Mouse Attack the other day didn't do it well. I lost connection thinking I made my post, and hence I referred to it in the message you quoted.

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

I voted for Lucidity in the way he voted me. If I don't receive any decent arguments to go on, I can't discredit a lot, now can I? Whatever I said and did others did too.

As JInxy can say it nicely

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan.

Lucidity voted for me out of danger to get lynched off himself, not out of decent arguments. The only thing he has, and had repeated oftly, was that

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

You and Wojjan are so suspicious

U. N. Wojjan were suspicious? Yup, just like that. Reasons in the above posts mostly apply to adam instead of both, and

You and adam seem to act in unison

is supposed to pull me into suspicion too. Which apparently worked.

Second, I DID defend myself in this post. After my post, the remnants of Lucidity's arguments idiotic pleas for votechanges were broken down to bite-size feeble nothingness.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

All of Wojjan's votes seem to be on existing bandwagons of two votes or more.

viewtopic.php?p=153950#p153950
Joke/random vote.

This vote wasn't based on any facts. I didn't really read the other votes yet, and missed out on th fact that 0_o had already 2 votes on him.

Right, which is why I wrote that.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154185#p154185
This has already been pointed out as very suspicious. I myself don't know what to think of it, but it looks pretty scummy, yes.

It was a vote with the majority to move things along to the next day. In the first day, we can't really get a lot of info so I thought we might aswell move on to day 2, with some night actions people can comment/base arguments on. (I was however proven wrong, since that post ironically flared up the discussion :/)

I still don't see how ending the Day early helps.

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=154219#p154219
FOS where?
What old vote?
Maybe I missed a post or something.

This seems to have caused a bit of an uproar, so I have my DSi to blame. This post was made on the day I was on the road all the time, and to not fall behind here, I tried to establish a vote for rust in the 10 minutes I was home, since he was changing votes often, and usually for random reasons that "late" in the game. Yet, my DSi's power has a limit, and non-stop Kirby: Mouse Attack the other day didn't do it well. I lost connection thinking I made my post, and hence I referred to it in the message you quoted.

So you forgot to post something? Why did you have a FOS on rust?

(I have to get off now; will comment on the rest later.)

Adam was "more" buddying than the Pasonia example you gave. Pasonia said "I like strager's logic", whereas Adam said "I'm going to do whatever strager does". But this isn't a good scumtell in this game anyway, like I said in my last post. Too many possibilities of people knowing each other due to roles.

strager wrote:

and that's where you think we somehow know each other are on the same team (e.g. Mafia or Masons as you suggest, or some other role(s))

I never suggested Masons :/

This post and the one after it - why are you so eager to "confirm" to us that you're unrelated?

Ivalset has disappeared on us, as has Pasonia, Metruzero and neo@lex. Metruzero and neo@lex are the most suspicious - they have both made just one useless post per day. I'm picking neo@lex over Metruzero because Metruzero has at least voted - even though they're unjustified.

Vote: neo@lex
FOS: Metruzero

Derekku Chan wrote:

and wow adam sure does changes his vote a lot *insert suspicion here*

I've been suspicious of him for quite some time. And this is not just me saying this, I have made other posts about my suspicion of him, so don't be lazy and look back if you have to.

Vote: Adam

Echo wrote:

Ivalset has disappeared on us, as has Pasonia, Metruzero and neo@lex. Metruzero and neo@lex are the most suspicious - they have both made just one useless post per day. I'm picking neo@lex over Metruzero because Metruzero has at least voted - even though they're unjustified.

You make very good points about my lack of participation, and I would like to apologize about wasting everyone's time in this game. I already sent a PM to Suburu telling her to replace me. Sorry for and inconvenience I posed in this thread.

Starrodkirby86 replaces Metruzero as of now.

Hi Starrod! Try to read as much of the thread as possible before making any calls

YAY! Rod!

Wojjan wrote:

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=155228#p155228
I see this vote as justifyable by Jinxy's reasoning but Wojjan doesn't mention this.
Wojjan seems to say that Lucidity is voting against him because Lucidity's argument is "based on things [Wojjan] said and others said aswell." Well, what else would it be based off of? Wojjan didn't say/imply at all that Lucidity knows something more than him, and he didn't try to discredit the arguments against him by Lucidity. Wojjan just votes for whoever's voting for him here. Uh, okay.

I voted for Lucidity in the way he voted me. If I don't receive any decent arguments to go on, I can't discredit a lot, now can I? Whatever I said and did others did too.

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Second, I DID defend myself in this post. After my post, the remnants of Lucidity's arguments idiotic pleas for votechanges were broken down to bite-size feeble nothingness.

Normally, when you vote for someone, you see or create arguments against the person you are voting for, before you vote for them. You did so after, you say?

And Lucidity was using other peoples' arguments as reason to vote for you, in addition to her own personal arguments (even if they really aren't arguments; they're still a side to an issue).

Wojjan wrote:

As JInxy can say it nicely

You had not posted a reason when you voted for wojjan.

Lucidity voted for me out of danger to get lynched off himself, not out of decent arguments. The only thing he has, and had repeated oftly, was that

For now I find adam and Wojjan the most suspicious.

You and Wojjan are so suspicious

U. N. Wojjan were suspicious? Yup, just like that. Reasons in the above posts mostly apply to adam instead of both, and

You and adam seem to act in unison

is supposed to pull me into suspicion too. Which apparently worked.

Lucidity's inexperienced. I and someone else have mentioned that she is behaving here like I did in my first game, M2.

Echo wrote:

Adam was "more" buddying than the Pasonia example you gave. Pasonia said "I like strager's logic", whereas Adam said "I'm going to do whatever strager does".

lolz.

It's more like, "strager's doing what I would be doing (or would want to be doing), so I'll just say that and be bashed for apparently buddying etc. etc."

Echo, I know you're not stupid enough to vote for people who aren't very active. That makes you more suspicious in my eyes.

Also, I'm inclined to believe neo@lex is a Mafia with you and you're trying to alleviate suspicion of you two both being Mafia together... (I.e. when one of you dies and is shown to be a Mafia, the other will be less suspicious.) Yes, this is WIFOM, but your choice seems too intentional and too controversial to have no hidden meaning behind it, I think.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand...

Hello, Starrodkirby2046. Don't fail us. =]

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Why do I have a feeling that Wojjan is using me?

FOS: Wojjan

Oh well.. Unvote

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I'm going to a cottage with friends for the weekend, so I'll be inactive for 36 hours or so. I'll read through everything and post my thoughts when I get back.

Pasonia wrote:

Think, Ival, THINK! We need you to kick-start your brain juices!

You can't do that yourself?

Pasonia wrote:

Also withholding vote until more information arrives.

Ehh ... That's a pretty fishy statement if you ask me.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo, I know you're not stupid enough to vote for people who aren't very active.

Wrong - look at all the past ww/m games. Most of the people who didn't talk much were the bad guys. Back in M1 I didn't vote YK because I wasn't sure of this tell. Now I know better.

It's not a scum tell. It just so happens that they were inactive. Again, see M2: Derekku, nardi, Olinad were all inactive pretty much, but Derekku was the only of the three who was a Mafia. Maybe Derekku was hiding behind that fact; I don't know, but that seems kinda smart.

If you can provide convincing arguments otherwise, e.g. supporting your inactive == scum idea, I still think your vote is pretty baseless.

Ivalset wrote:

"Buddying": In the past four pages or so, strager did all of adam's defense for him.

Hmm, I guess I have. adam hasn't commented on anything really. I didn't realize I was "returning" the "buddying." What do you have to say for this, adam?

Votecount:

Echo - 3 (strager, adam2046, 0_o)
Wojjan - 1 (StarrodKirby86)
neo@lex - 1 (Echo)
adam2046 - 1 (rust45)

Note to all: Deadline is in 2.5 hours.

Very likely giving an extension.

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Note: If I do extend, it won't be a long extention.

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adam, do you completely agree with all I've said? Do you have anything to comment on at ALL? I find it hard to believe you could only agree with one side of all my arguments.

If I do, I'll be sure to point it out.

adam's a Mafia!

Unknown Shadow: Analyzing the situation, I would have to find adam's actions the most suspicious.

Vote: adam2046

Unknown Shadow, what actions in particular? To me it seems as if his most major actions are (1) pointing out Jester, and (2) buddying with me. This seems to be Echo's argument against adam too (correct me if I'm wrong).

Unknown Shadow: He seems to be buddying with you, that is part of it, yes. However, he also is doing a lot of wishy-washy voting. Not only that, but he's not really trying to defend himself, and sometimes votes with no reason, or votes following behind someone else.

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I don't need to defend myself (and when I do, strager gets in first...)

And I'm still yet to go make a vote. I have done some neglectfulness around, but I'll try and update myself fully into this world.

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Pasonia wrote:

Also withholding vote until more information arrives.

Ehh ... That's a pretty fishy statement if you ask me.

I wouldn't think that withholding votes until later would be fishy. Informed decisions are win! lol.

strager seems to be attacking most statements made by everyone. oh well.

to be truthful, I do think that adam's the jester. [/avoids vote] he wanted an extension on day one and didn't mind the possibility of getting lynched. I think something like...

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viewtopic.php?p=154960#p154960
viewtopic.php?p=155053#p155053
viewtopic.php?p=155886#p155886

It's a hunch and doesn't mean anything... much of his posts weren't too meaningful.

Vote Derekku Chan

His posts are slightly more meaningful than adam's but not as much so...

thepianist wrote:

Vote Derekku Chan

His posts are slightly more meaningful than adam's but not as much so...

...If my posts are meaningful, then why are you voting for me? That makes no sense.

EDIT: IIRC, your posts have only agreed with others and to vote. That's not very "meaningful" in my eyes =|

Vote adam2046
Derekku seems suspicious to me, but adam seems stupiddr. Refusing to defend yourself is kinda stupid considering you had the chance to throw all the suspicion right back at Strager. If you've got a hax role, we're fucked.