A map set should not have more than two difficulties in the same difficulty level (not based on stars, but on how the map "feels").

SPOILER

nold_1702 wrote:

So quicky o_o~BTW,Grats.(:33

1. Timing: Your timing is off. Also it's completely off at one spot.
   You need 1 more red line than you have atm, here is the timing:
   
   BPM 180, OFFSET 2308, 4/4 time signature
   BPM 180, OFFSET 34307, 3/4 time signature
   BPM 180, OFFSET 54330, 4/4 time signature
   BPM 180,OFFSET 55650, 4/4 time signature
   BPM 90, OFFSET 116983, 4/4 time signature
   
   The underlined one is the one you're missing.
   Don't forget to adjust timings in your storyboard as well.
   
2. Tags: You have incorrectly spelled "emdyion" in your tags.

1. 00:02:302 (2) - I would suggest a new combo for this, because the first note is not the downbeat and it's a "pre-note", while this note actually "starts" the song, or so you could say. This would bring consistency throughout this section as well, because your combos are 1-13, and this one is the only one which is 1-14.
2. 00:24:969 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - You could bring some dynamics here, each triplet could be louder than the previous one, cause the music is more intense. Also it bugs me that 00:25:636 (7) doesn't have a finish on it, because it's the "heaviest" note of all of them imo. Adding it could be overusing your finish cause you have it just after it, so see if you want to change this somehow (you did something similar in your Silver diff).
3. 00:32:969 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Similarly to the above, you could bring some dynamics here. 456 could be louder than the 123, and 789 could be louder than 456, to bring out the music better.
4. 00:54:302 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These notes should be snapped to 1/3, not 1/4. Also this is that spot where the timing is off, so apply your timing change first, then snap these to 1/3 manually, else your streams will break.
5. 01:21:469 (7,8) - You should totally tone down this spacing. Best way to do it would be to make a better curve in the previous stream so the stream where the 7 is located in is a bit higher (and 8 a bit lower, since the section is kinda symmetrical). 8.46x jump on 1/4 180bpm is not something I am comfortable with approving (ranking).
6. 01:51:635 (1) - Add a finish here perhaps? (same goes for 01:52:969 (5), they are in the music and it would follow the music a bit better)
7. 01:51:802 (2,4,6,8) - I would actually suggest that you either ctrl+r all of them (cause as they are they play extremely uncomfortable for me, cause it breaks the flow of movement), or atleast ctrl+r 4 and 8, to make the jumps a bit easier. Even when reversed, they are still very challenging but they are just better to play.
   One more thing about those, they aren't really lined up properly, you could say the incrementing spacing was a bit random, you could try lining them up better, something like this.
8. 02:07:635 (1) - Remove the repeat? It ends pretty much nowhere, while as a normal slider it would end where the last note starts.

1. 00:02:302 (2) - Just like I suggested for the highest diff, you should probably add a new combo here.
2. 00:55:635 (1) - The 2 finishes here bother me, remove the 2nd one.
3. 01:54:302 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Whistles on these sliders seemed pretty random. Try removing all of those, and add them to 01:54:469, 01:54:802, 01:55:135, 01:55:469 and see how that works out. I think this sounds better because it brings out more important parts of the music.
4. 02:04:969 (1) - Remove this new combo for this section to be consistent with the highest diff.
5. 02:07:635 (3) - Add a new combo here instead. Also, consider removing the repeat, same reason like I wrote in Platinum diff.

1. 00:28:969 (5) - This should be a new combo instead of 00:29:636 (1).

1. 00:02:303 (2) - Consider adding a new combo here, same reason as the other diffs.
2. 01:32:972 (3) - New combo here and remove it from 01:33:638 (1), makes more sense as it follows the music better. If you think the combo will be long, just add a new combo to 01:34:305 (3) then, cause it makes the pattern prettier as well.

1. 00:08:969 (3) - Well, I think you were aiming for symmetry maybe, but this clearly isn't symmetrical.
2. 00:23:636 (1) - Sounds like you're missing a finish at the start.
3. 01:50:969 (4) - I would suggest to remove this whistle cause it sounds off, as you didn't use it before this in this section.

1. -

lolcubes wrote:

01:21:469 (7,8) - You should totally tone down this spacing. Best way to do it would be to make a better curve in the previous stream so the stream where the 7 is located in is a bit higher (and 8 a bit lower, since the section is kinda symmetrical). 8.46x jump on 1/4 180bpm is not something I am comfortable with approving (ranking).

lolcubes wrote:

Players hitting that or not, 8.5x spacing on 1/4 @180 bpm is too much. Excuse such as "that player can play it" is not a valid excuse for something that doesn't make much sense in a map.
Keep in mind that this map goes for ranking and it's not a gimmick superhard map for approval. I could hit that note myself after a couple of retries, but that still doesn't change the fact that it's just too big of a spacing. Since I can't rank this because of the timing change, I could rebubble without that change though, but you should really tone it down.

However the timing is still off. While the first offset is debatable cause it's a <10ms change, the offset 00:55:635 is just way too early. You can even hear it's too early. I strongly suggest to apply my timings, or if you are keen on keeping your first offset, just apply all other timings I provided with -5 on all of them.

edit: spelling.

Philippines wrote:

Okay, reduced the jump part. Any more?

lolcubes wrote:

However the timing is still off. While the first offset is debatable cause it's a <10ms change, the offset 00:55:635 is just way too early. You can even hear it's too early. I strongly suggest to apply my timings, or if you are keen on keeping your first offset, just apply all other timings I provided with -5 on all of them.

Kite wrote:

BPM 180,OFFSET 55650, 4/4 time signature
You should totally apply this offset from lolcubes timing, current one at that section is too early.
+15 is a bit too much imo though so I would suggest offset 55645. Rest seems pretty good to me.
(silly 1/4 jumps in Platinum diff, but that's just me)

Philippines wrote:

ill just wait for CNF's response about this by tomorrow. Since I'm still afraid touching the timing section. I might just give some mess.. again.

EDIT: You want me to decrease -5 on all offsets & diffs?

lolcubes wrote:

[Emdyion's Silver]

1. 00:28:969 (5) - This should be a new combo instead of 00:29:636 (1). Agree

NatsumeRin wrote:

[Emdyion's Silver]
not a fan of those offbeat sliders..
01:55:644 (1) - why lower the volume... a 60% Normal-hitfinish would fit it fine. Also the green line here is useless. That was set by Philippines, not me. I also agree on this.

nold_1702 wrote:

[Emdyion's Silver]

00:59:311 (5) - Add whistle at the end :33? Sure

01:36:311 (1) - Del NC :33 Don't really know about this one, I think the NC is fine

Philippines wrote:

Anything you want me to change? Emdyion?

1. Storyboard: A few seconds above 5.0x load won't hurt, but if it can be avoided it's best to do so. The thing is, your storyboard goes up to 6.2x in play (test) mode, and this CAN be avoided if you set the ending fade for your lights at 55496. This is 1/4 earlier than it ends right now, because on the next tick, the SBLoad goes crazy. Since it's only a fraction of a second, I won't hold it against you, but you should definitely change this if you can, seeing how you made the storyboard, you have the knowledge on how to do this.

1. 00:18:307 - In this section, when I suggested to add dynamics, I didn't mean that you should just reduce the volume for each part. I meant that you progressively increase the volume from that point. For example: 00:18:307 - here you should use the volume you have now, but 00:18:641 - here you increase it by 5%, and you increase it again by 5% for the next round of notes (up to the part where you have 80% volume obviously). This creates a crescendo which is really nice. The same applies to the section at 00:20:974, section at 00:23:641. This does not apply for 00:26:307 this section though, so you should leave the volume at 80% here.
   
   Note: This dynamics suggestion works for all diffs (except for Emdyion's diff). This is only a suggestion, and you don't have to change it if you don't want to. I just think it would sound nicer if you do just that though.
   
2. 01:35:644 (1) - Add a finish? (also applies to 01:36:311 (1))
3. 01:52:978 (5) - Same as the above, a finish here would follow the music better and would sound nice.
4. 01:56:978 (17) - ^, however, here you should use 80% volume for this red section.
5. 01:56:979 - This green section is too close to the red one, and will overwrite the volume change. Move it atleast a tick further, to 01:57:144.

1. 01:14:811 (6) - This finish sounds a bit off. I think it's best you remove it. (same goes for 01:15:478 (12))
2. 01:22:311 - You have a finish here in your Platinum diff, add it here too?
3. 01:28:311 (9) - Sounds like you have an extra whistle on this slider located on 01:28:728. I suggest you remove it.
4. 01:54:478 (2) - This whistle on the end of the slider also sounds like an extra, maybe remove it?
5. 01:56:978 - Here you should use 65% volume for this red section and set it to normal hitsounds.
6. 01:56:979 - This green section is too close to the red one, and will overwrite the volume change. Move it atleast a tick further, to 01:57:144.

1. 01:35:644 (1,1) - This is somewhat inappropriate for a normal diff. The circle 1 comes kinda too soon after a spinner. Best way to handle this would be to end the spinner at 01:37:644 with a soft hitsound set with 5% volume, and then you put back normal hitsounds of 65% volume to 01:37:644, and you map a note here. This also means removal of the new combo on 01:38:644 (1) and adding a finish to the newly mapped note at 01:38:311.
   Something like this.

1. 00:54:330 (1) - This slider has an unsnapped slider end. Due to the limitations of the editor, it's sort of impossible to snap it correctly and has to be done through notepad. I suggest you change it to a circle at 00:55:645, or you can use this code for the slider:
   
   SPOILER

   136,160,54330,6,0,B|336:80|240:224|464:144,1,315.2,0|4

   .
   Find a similar line in your .osu by using notepad (it should start the same, so take first ~15 characters for referrence) and overwrite it with this code.

lolcubes wrote:

Round 2!

[General]

1. Storyboard: A few seconds above 5.0x load won't hurt, but if it can be avoided it's best to do so. The thing is, your storyboard goes up to 6.2x in play (test) mode, and this CAN be avoided if you set the ending fade for your lights at 55496. This is 1/4 earlier than it ends right now, because on the next tick, the SBLoad goes crazy. Since it's only a fraction of a second, I won't hold it against you, but you should definitely change this if you can, seeing how you made the storyboard, you have the knowledge on how to do this.DONE

[Platinum]

1. 00:18:307 - In this section, when I suggested to add dynamics, I didn't mean that you should just reduce the volume for each part. I meant that you progressively increase the volume from that point. For example: 00:18:307 - here you should use the volume you have now, but 00:18:641 - here you increase it by 5%, and you increase it again by 5% for the next round of notes (up to the part where you have 80% volume obviously). This creates a crescendo which is really nice. The same applies to the section at 00:20:974, section at 00:23:641. This does not apply for 00:26:307 this section though, so you should leave the volume at 80% here. I didn't change it since I think it sounds quite fine now.
   
   Note: This dynamics suggestion works for all diffs (except for Emdyion's diff). This is only a suggestion, and you don't have to change it if you don't want to. I just think it would sound nicer if you do just that though.
   [/color]
2. 01:35:644 (1) - Add a finish? (also applies to 01:36:311 (1))DONE
3. 01:52:978 (5) - Same as the above, a finish here would follow the music better and would sound nice.DONE
4. 01:56:978 (17) - ^, however, here you should use 80% volume for this red section. DONE
5. 01:56:979 - This green section is too close to the red one, and will overwrite the volume change. Move it atleast a tick further, to 01:57:144.DONE[/color]

[Gold]

1. 01:14:811 (6) - This finish sounds a bit off. I think it's best you remove it. (same goes for 01:15:478 (12))DONE
2. 01:22:311 - You have a finish here in your Platinum diff, add it here too?DONE
3. 01:28:311 (9) - Sounds like you have an extra whistle on this slider located on 01:28:728. I suggest you remove it.DONE
4. 01:54:478 (2) - This whistle on the end of the slider also sounds like an extra, maybe remove it?DONE
5. 01:56:978 - Here you should use 65% volume for this red section and set it to normal hitsounds.DONE
6. 01:56:979 - This green section is too close to the red one, and will overwrite the volume change. Move it atleast a tick further, to 01:57:144.DONE[/color]

[Bronze]

1. 01:35:644 (1,1) - This is somewhat inappropriate for a normal diff. The circle 1 comes kinda too soon after a spinner. Best way to handle this would be to end the spinner at 01:37:644 with a soft hitsound set with 5% volume, and then you put back normal hitsounds of 65% volume to 01:37:644, and you map a note here. This also means removal of the new combo on 01:38:644 (1) and adding a finish to the newly mapped note at 01:38:311.DONE
   Something like this.

[Rust]

1. 00:54:330 (1) - This slider has an unsnapped slider end. Due to the limitations of the editor, it's sort of impossible to snap it correctly and has to be done through notepad. I suggest you change it to a circle at 00:55:645, or you can use this code for the slider:
   
   SPOILER

   136,160,54330,6,0,B|336:80|240:224|464:144,1,315.2,0|4

   .
   Find a similar line in your .osu by using notepad (it should start the same, so take first ~15 characters for referrence) and overwrite it with this code.DONE[/color]

1. 01:54:478 (2) - The whistle should be at the start, not end.
2. 01:56:978 - You used your normal hitsounds until this point, if you don't wanna use a normal finish for the end, raise the volume to 85%. Current finish sounds weak. If you swap to normal hitsounds, just leave the volume alone.

1. 01:56:978 (17) - You didn't add finish here. Add it please.

CELEBRATING 1 MONTH OF THIS SONG'S BEATMAP'S EXISTENCE. LOL

you are the best RUCKER! I SALUTE YOU! D:

EDIT: At last, I can prove this song is FCable even with Mod. 8D

lolcubes wrote:

It's always best to double check any change you make, so you don't have to wait like this btw. ;x;

Philippines wrote:

Oh, i had a recheck. I think it was fine without finish cause it sounds way too noisy when i tried adding it. I hope it's fine. D:

Deif wrote:

This bubble is worth poppable, because this is not Fantasy Impromptu by DM Ashura... it's F.I by 44teru-k (Respect for Chopin). Just check out these videos (yes, both from StepMania...):

1. 002,307 4/4
2. 034,307 3/4
3. 054,306 4/4 (The second of the two sections here was 5ms later than it should be, so you'll need to resnap notes)

Derekku wrote:

[Timing]
*Timing should be the same on all difficulties (even Taiko), because inherited sections affect the osu! main menu pulses. Plus, time signatures are used in Taiko, so 4/4 and 3/4 should be used correctly in that diff as well. So do I have to change anything? Or should Ozzy just be the one to change his diff?
*The 1/3 measure at 00:54:306 actually feels off to me with the extra uninherited section, so remove one of the two I think it's fine.
*Also, the ending at 01:56:978 should technically be 180 BPM as well, so remove the 90 BPM section and change the 0.25x sliders (at 180bpm) to 0.5. Otherwise, they're unrankable as you cannot use BPM sections to falsely slow down sliders (although this is debatable since the ending DOES seem to slow down to half speed...) I also believe this is actually fine even though its out of the rules. Since it's the slowest part of the song.
*Therefore, the only uninherited sections should be:

1. 002,307 4/4
2. 034,307 3/4
3. 054,306 4/4 (The second of the two sections here was 5ms later than it should be, so you'll need to resnap notes) Uh, can anyone help me do this? I dont seem to understand them and I might just mess up my timing. D:

UPDATE.
Ozzy's Taiko Diff Removed Temporarily til everyone thinks its fine having 7 Diffs and until it's fixed or whatsoever.
Done with the timing. Thanks to some helpers. >:D<

Now let's get this thing DONE!

Zurrrr wrote:

heyhey,

after i was able to get some sleep after beeing up for like 36hours i replayed the map a little more.

wanted to point out some things that throw me off on Silver+Emdyion's Silver

-Silver:
well im actually able to SS the map until 1:19:644
after those 3x4stacked halfs it kinda starts feeling awkward to play to me.
the up+down stream (1:19:644-1:20:811) are fine, but the following combos are kinda... i dont know how to express it properly.... maybe "confusing?" everytime i play that i insta-fail on that section after beeing at 98-100% accuracy
might be just some kind of personal thing, but i think u should rework that section a little, maybe make 1:19:644-1:20:811 1,2,3,4 1,2,3,4 into 4 1/2 sliders followed by cyclone combo? just an idea^^
oh, and if u do that, u should also maybe rotate the 2nd combo in the cyclone a little so it doesnt stack with the prev combo like it does now since the notes are kinda hidden due to low approachrate

-Emdyion's Silver:
0:09:140 (1) jump feels awkward
0:10:473 (1) ^
0:14:473 (5) ^
0:27:640 (1,2,3,4 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) if i listen to it at 100% the notes seem to be to early, if i do it at 25% i see what notes ur trying to hit.... feels a little bit off since the high-pitched notes are actually better to hear then the lower-pitched that u actually want. the notes on that part are kinda echoing i guess, starting with a low-pitch and echo out with a high pitch, i think that makes it feel that awkward to me, but might just again be a personal issue
0:34:306 (5) spacing is off by .1 on this compare to the previous ones in the combo, maybe move it 2rosterticks to the right on tiny grit, that would make it 1.12 and would look better imo since its more of an arch then
1:41:311 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) in the previous combo the distance constantly increases from 1.00 to 2.15, so i thought it might be nice to just decrease the distance in that part, going down to 1.00 from the 2.15, might feel nice i think, at least thats what i rly enjoy to play
1:50:144 (8) maybe remove that one? feels like an empty note since theres no actual hit in the music i think, theres a tripple base-hit one (8,-,1) but then i think there should be 3 1/4 notes (link: http://250kb.de/cDYtaNQ )
1:57:144 (-) maybe add a center circle on the red tick after the spinner? i think it would fit there bcuz of the snare hit there.... just an idea, no criticism

sooo, thats all ive found
maybe its just personal issues from my side, but as i said im not actually a BMS-map-lover^^
dont forget to check out my map aswell pls http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44449
its only hard+ so far, need to work on normal now^^

greetz

Zurrrr wrote:

-Emdyion's Silver:
0:09:140 (1) jump feels awkward Understood, fixed (moved circle down to 1.37x
0:10:473 (1) ^ Fixed, distance snapped, repositioned
0:14:473 (5) ^ Nope, distance snap 1.02x
0:27:640 (1,2,3,4 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) if i listen to it at 100% the notes seem to be to early, if i do it at 25% i see what notes ur trying to hit.... feels a little bit off since the high-pitched notes are actually better to hear then the lower-pitched that u actually want. the notes on that part are kinda echoing i guess, starting with a low-pitch and echo out with a high pitch, i think that makes it feel that awkward to me, but might just again be a personal issue I see no problem with this pattern.
0:34:306 (5) spacing is off by .1 on this compare to the previous ones in the combo, maybe move it 2rosterticks to the right on tiny grit, that would make it 1.12 and would look better imo since its more of an arch then Fixed, but differently
1:41:311 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) in the previous combo the distance constantly increases from 1.00 to 2.15, so i thought it might be nice to just decrease the distance in that part, going down to 1.00 from the 2.15, might feel nice i think, at least thats what i rly enjoy to play Fixed, but not sure about change.
1:50:144 (8) maybe remove that one? feels like an empty note since theres no actual hit in the music i think, theres a tripple base-hit one (8,-,1) but then i think there should be 3 1/4 notes (link: http://250kb.de/cDYtaNQ ) Keeping it that way, triple notes will increase difficulty (might change it though, but as of now I'm not)
1:57:144 (-) maybe add a center circle on the red tick after the spinner? i think it would fit there bcuz of the snare hit there.... just an idea, no criticism Does not fit at all; not adding

Derekku wrote:

[General]
*Even though four of the difficulties start right at the beginning of the map, I really don't see a need for an audio lead-in. There's already two seconds of silence before the notes, and so adding a lead-in of 2 1/2 additional seconds is just overkill. If anything, change them to 0.5 seconds, but definitely nothing more. True, but I think this is for the epilepsy warning. I agree with Derekku though.
*I'm surprised that Hard/Insane/Extra use 1.4 SV, while the guest Hard uses 1.6, but it's an issue, per se. I suggest using faster SVs for the hardest difficulties in the future, though! Agree

[Timing]
*Uninherited section at 00:55:645 is unnecessary; remove and resnap notes!
*Uninherited section at 01:56:978 is unnecessary; remove and resnap notes!

[Emdyion's Silver]
*Check AIMod for unsnapped notes, even though you'll need to resnap after removing the aforementioned uninherited sections. I will resnap, once the sections are removed.
01:36:478 (1) - perhaps add a finish? Agree, Philippines could do that though :3

Emdyion wrote:

True, but I think this is for the epilepsy warning.

Derekku wrote:

[General]
*Even though four of the difficulties start right at the beginning of the map, I really don't see a need for an audio lead-in. There's already two seconds of silence before the notes, and so adding a lead-in of 2 1/2 additional seconds is just overkill. If anything, change them to 0.5 seconds, but definitely nothing more. Changed 2 1/2 addictional seconds to 1 sec.
*I'm surprised that Hard/Insane/Extra use 1.4 SV, while the guest Hard uses 1.6, but it's an issue, per se. I suggest using faster SVs for the hardest difficulties in the future, though! okay, okay (:

[Timing]
*Uninherited section at 00:55:645 is unnecessary; remove and resnap notes! Changed into an inherit section instead
*Uninherited section at 01:56:978 is unnecessary; remove and resnap notes! Same as above.

[Rust]
00:54:306 (1) - Isn't snapped to the white tick (regardless of the uninherited section there). snapped.

[Bronze]
*Difficulty settings felt a bit low; I'd bump up the Drain and OD by 1 tick each.
00:08:973 (3) - love sliders like this
00:31:723 (1) - Since the approach late is a bit low, I'd move this to the red tick and shorten by 1/4.

[Silver]
01:22:311 (5) - Perhaps new combo this?
01:48:478 (1,2) - Try and make these closer since (2) is only 1/2 after (1). Otherwise, they look more like 01:49:478 (2,3) which have a 1/1 space in-between... done

[Emdyion's Silver]
*Check AIMod for unsnapped notes, even though you'll need to resnap after removing the aforementioned uninherited sections.Done
01:36:478 (1) - perhaps add a finish?Done

[Gold]
*I'd bump the Drain/OD up by 1 tick each; this IS an "Insane", after all. :pDidn't add OD, but i'd say yes for the Drain thing.

[Platinum]
00:32:973 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - looove these jumps~
02:07:644 (1) - This is unrankable, since the slider path is very ambiguous (especially when using mmsliders: http://puu.sh/hss5)changed into a normal curve slider.

Philippines wrote:

This should be ready for ranking. o3o (:

wcx19911123 wrote:

plz resnap all notes..

Derekku wrote:

Since the timing changed, you'll want to move your inherited sections back by 5-10ms so that they're not late. Otherwise, I notice that many notes end up using the wrong samplesets or getting silenced from previous sections.

If you didn't already know, you can click/ctrl-click multiple sections in the timing window and then move them all at once: http://puu.sh/i5MJ
DONE, decreased 8 on offsets 00:55:645 til the last section on all diffs.


[Gold]
00:55:389 (6) - not snapped to 1/3 DONE

don't kd since i've already gotten some on 2 posts~

Derekku wrote:

Whoops, I missed an unsnapped slider end (probably because of the 0.59 slider speed)! Please adjust the last slider anchor/node on 02:07:639 (1) on [Platinum]!

The inherited sections like fine now (unless Emdyion wants to check his difficulty to make sure).