strager wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.

How is that safe? We only get one investigation from adam that way, and hopefully another from SFG if she makes it to D2. Maybe even none if adam is Naive or Paranoid (or lying about his role, but if that were true, he'd probably be the Mafia and we'd win anyway).

If both Cop claimers are kept alive, and at least one of them remains alive for D2 (likely; hopefully adam stays alive, as he can bring results before Twilight), we can get two or three investigations by D2. However, we don't know the sanities, but that can be found out if either or both Cops are killed by D3, LyLo.

I think it's better to try and keep the Cops alive for at least D2 so they can have as many investigations as they can. Thus, I'm not voting either of the two for now.

strager wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.

Maybe so, but I'm giving SFG the benefit of the doubt here, for today. Again, the Cops would be better alive D2 than dead.

strager wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?

I did the same thing, to a greater degree, even.

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

A wrong guess at the game setup can easily be disastrous for town. We're wasting precious time on such things.

I agree, which is why I stopped myself. I don't think it's THAT much of a risk that we would lose because of a guess/hunch/whatever, as we have at least three Days to catch the Mafia (assuming there's only one).

0_o wrote:

Everyone who has role claimed so far has had a special prefix or other change to it (Day Cop, Twilight Townie, Twilight Brownie (?)), except for SFG, who just said she was a "cop". Since adam says he's a Day Cop, I would think the cops would either be told they are a Twilight or Day cop. Why didn't SFG specify one of these in her initial role claim? I think it's quite possible SFG made an early claim just to appear confident in her role, but didn't have the knowledge of the existence of Twilight/Day cops at the time

SFG wrote:

obviously i was concerned because my cop role is different from adam's. specifically, adam is (supposedly) a Day Cop whereas I am a Twilight Cop.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

@SFG: Sure it's a good trade if we know that there is only 1 Cop. We don't. Both of you might be Cops. Until Day 2 we won't know how many Mafia there are either. The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.

greeeeaaat plan. lets go and kill off the cop to make sure hes a cop and hope the person he happened to scan was mafia. why didnt i think of that?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.

D: of course im still uninformed i havent had a chance to investigate anyone yet! geez, i cant pull results out of my hat you know.
Well i suppose i could but they wouldnt be very helpful cus thatd be me making stuff up. thats more what i would be doing if i were mafia =.=;

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?

sorry i figured while strager was having a q&a session i might as well join in. it hadnt occurred to me to pm.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Brownie or Brownjob is a slang term for cop in parts of the US and some fiction series', based on the brown uniforms they wear. I guess what is obvious to me is not necessarily obvious to others.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

0_o wrote:

Everyone who has role claimed so far has had a special prefix or other change to it (Day Cop, Twilight Townie, Twilight Brownie (?)), except for SFG, who just said she was a "cop". Since adam says he's a Day Cop, I would think the cops would either be told they are a Twilight or Day cop. Why didn't SFG specify one of these in her initial role claim? I think it's quite possible SFG made an early claim just to appear confident in her role, but didn't have the knowledge of the existence of Twilight/Day cops at the time

SFG wrote:

obviously i was concerned because my cop role is different from adam's. specifically, adam is (supposedly) a Day Cop whereas I am a Twilight Cop.

fail

oh right i want this discussion started fast so


Claim: Cop

oh i actually meant to claim cop

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

fail

0_o wrote:

Why didn't SFG specify one of these in her initial role claim?

0_o wrote:

Of course you know now that you should be a twilight cop, but why didn't you say so when you first claimed? If adam was told he's a day cop, you should have been told you were a twilight cop, and if you were you would have specifically said so when you first claimed. The fact that you were so suspicious of adam's claim of Day Cop also supports this.

Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.

How is that safe? We only get one investigation from adam that way, and hopefully another from SFG if she makes it to D2. Maybe even none if adam is Naive or Paranoid (or lying about his role, but if that were true, he'd probably be the Mafia and we'd win anyway).

If both Cop claimers are kept alive, and at least one of them remains alive for D2 (likely; hopefully adam stays alive, as he can bring results before Twilight), we can get two or three investigations by D2. However, we don't know the sanities, but that can be found out if either or both Cops are killed by D3, LyLo.

I think it's better to try and keep the Cops alive for at least D2 so they can have as many investigations as they can. Thus, I'm not voting either of the two for now.

If you read my entire post and the post it was aimed at as a reply (SFG's suggestion) you'd understand it better maybe. Please reread Pay particular close attention to: "The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy..."

Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.

Maybe so, but I'm giving SFG the benefit of the doubt here, for today. Again, the Cops would be better alive D2 than dead.

:\ She keeps defending you. You keep defending her. Get a room guys ;p

Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

Lucidity wrote:

Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?

I did the same thing, to a greater degree, even.

Horrid defence this time though! You did the same thing and admitted that it was to the detriment of the town. Why does it make it all better if she does it?

Lucidity wrote:

Furthermore you were trying to find out about roles in general. SFG was fishing for info on the Cop role. The role she claims to be. A role she can safely enquire about via PM without giving the Mafia valuable information. That's not on.

Lucidity wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

A wrong guess at the game setup can easily be disastrous for town. We're wasting precious time on such things.

I agree, which is why I stopped myself. I don't think it's THAT much of a risk that we would lose because of a guess/hunch/whatever, as we have at least three Days to catch the Mafia (assuming there's only one).

Justifying "guessing" with more guessing? That's a nono. We should try to work with what we've been given as much as possible. Any guesses should not be given TOO much weight.

Echo wrote:

Even though this is setup speculation, I'm sure everyone here would agree 3 cops doesn't sound quite right

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=166463#p166463
T'was a joke.

Lucidity wrote:

Saa~ Did you ONLY ask about Cops? Sure the majority was focused on it, but it wasn't an exclusive interest. I'm going to bed now, so I'm not going to reread the thread again to find counter examples -.-

Lucidity wrote:

You're missing the point though. SFG claimed to be a Cop. You didn't. She could PM LadySuburu to her heart's content and find out everything she possibly wanted. Her role PM would probably have specified most of the things she wanted to know anyway. The point is it's suspicious of a Cop to be so clueless~Throwing around exactly how her role works in the thread is also very risky...

1. She was fitting in with the questions I was asking.
2. She didn't realize she was making her question public and possibly helping the Mafia.
3. She did realize she was making her question public and was trying to help the Town (and perhaps adam, though I don't think the question she asked applies to him).
4. She was trying to expand upon my previous question about investigating dead people. (Possible way to find her sanity or land a useful investigation.)

Echo wrote:

Wait so only adam and SFG officially claimed cop now?

Can I remind you that Night 0 (or Twilight in this case) is a part of the game - it's a chance to discuss in advance? I won't accept anyone saying that they were "just joking around" in T0.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on

Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on

Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.

oh whoops thats supposed to say scumhunt sry

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?

..? a while? thats the first time ive mentioned it and accidental at that

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity, Echo, adam, i want you guys to start talking so i can scumpaint people

strager wrote:

My bad, you only said it once before: viewtopic.php?p=166970#p166970

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity, Echo, adam, i want you guys to start talking so i can scumpaint people

Echo wrote:

strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?

Echo wrote:

strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?

Echo wrote:

Let me ask you a question then - who do you think we should lynch today then?

Echo wrote:

why would you even suggest a no lynch then negate that suggestion by saying it's bad?

Echo wrote:

Now you're trying to frame me if strager turns out innocent :/

strager wrote:

Lucidity doesn't (to me) have sense in his reasons for arguing his points. (That's poorly worded; hope you get the meaning.)

Derekku Chan wrote:

*also awaiting his results before making a vote*

Echo wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

*also awaiting his results before making a vote*

I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/

adam2046 wrote:

Make your own decisions.

adam2046 wrote:

That's some great work there.
Let's not kill SFG tonight.

adam2046 wrote:

Let's not kill SFG tonight.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

unvote
vote adam

Derekku Chan wrote:

Echo wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

*also awaiting his results before making a vote*

I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/

Uhh yes? What about it?

Echo wrote:

What results?

Derekku Chan wrote:

Okay, I'm going to throw an idea out here and it'll probably get shot down.

[theory]
There are two mafia in this game. They are adam and SFG. They both claimed cop to lessen suspicion on themselves. Cops can be crucial to this game, and so usually people won't vote for them. But after a couple of days and we've "learned their sanities" (aka lies), we completely trust them, but then everyone else gets lynched and they (the mafia) win.[/theory]

I think that the best action today would be to lynch one of them and see what their role is. Truthfully, I don't even think that it's worth saving a "cop" until we've seen their results. By the time we've figured out their sanities, it's too late (like I said above). Truthfully, cops shouldn't even role claim unless they have results and are sure of them (or are mafia being crafty). This just brings more suspicious onto them.

Okay I'm tired of thinking for tonight so I'll stop here. *puts on flame shield*

adam2046 wrote:

I don't like your idea...why would we kill me?
As a note, I try to avoid fake claiming when I'm mafia especially first day since you know, THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.

THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.

strager wrote:

Right, so if a Cop is killed before D3, we know their sanity. No need to self-invstigate and waste a Day.

0_o wrote:

Seeing as SFG is no longer claiming cop, I think it's safe to say that adam is sane since he is the only claimed cop now..

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

geez this is just the kind of crazy role Subi would get


welp im not a jester anymore. guess he didnt want me to give up. sooooo....well my new role HAS to be town-known for it to work so i HAVE to claim it.

Claim: Pressured doctor

i can protect people at twilight, but only if at least half of the town pm's me during twilight telling me who to protect. I have to forward the pm's to LadySuburu so he can confirm it.

the pm must only contain the person i am to protect, and can only be sent once per person, so think carefully x_x if two of you (im the third for the majority atm) agree is the only time i can protect someone. if i get more than that i have to follow the majority.

information is public because i have no choice dont flame me for it plz

0_o wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o wrote:

Seeing as SFG is no longer claiming cop, I think it's safe to say that adam is sane since he is the only claimed cop now..

Unless she really is just pulling a shitty move and is really mafia ugh so confusing.

That's why we have to lynch her tomorrow. If she isn't mafia, the mafia will NK her because they don't want a jester win any more than we do. If she survives the night, that tells us that the mafia didn't want to kill her, and the only reason that would happen is if she is a mafia member.

0_o wrote:

mod: I'm assuming we can't tell her to protect herself?

strager wrote:

Shouldn't PM's be sent to LS, and she protects (and perhaps tells SFG the votes or who was protected)?

Seems like a poorly-planned role otherwise, as SFG can manipulate one or two votes easily.

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Shouldn't PM's be sent to LS, and she protects (and perhaps tells SFG the votes or who was protected)?

Seems like a poorly-planned role otherwise, as SFG can manipulate one or two votes easily.

thats why i have to forward them, i assume. you cant mess with forwards, thats why youre never allowed to forward in WW games ;o

Well, whatever. I still think it is safer to PM LS.

Mod: Should SFG's role be changed so protection votes are sent to you instead of SFG?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

And 0_o, that's WIFOMmy (is that the correct usage?). Mafia would know this and decide not to kill SFG, resulting in a wasted D2 kill. I hope you didn't see this; otherwise, you're looking pretty scummy now.

If SFG was the jester then she is a third party, separate from the mafia and the town. Neither parties want the jester to win, so it would have been in both of their best interests to get rid of her.

adam2046 wrote:

Hmm?
I didn't actually investigate SFG.
I just figured she was the jester...and then something else happened, but whatever that's in the past.

0_o wrote:

So adam how come you haven't made an investigation yet, and if you have why aren't you telling us?