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Sorry for the first bit, I probably just forgot that i've checked your concerns earlier and thought that the map was already like this (ADHD brain goes brr). But moving on:

Your last standing concern is "unnecessarily complex" patterns. It is true that I focused much more in the map structure using the song mostly as a baseline for the patterning, but nowhere I can find, both in RC rules and guidelines that there's a "wrong" way to map a song. To explain it better, lets talk about some exemples of "unnecessarily complex".

"osu://edit/01:30:433%20(90433|1,90433|0,90602|0,90602|1) - why emphasize those to complex release gaps there. It's not even the start point of the vocal. Just a random and sudden complex pattern which doesn't fit well."

• this emphasize the pitch shift in the synth + the snare sounds, which I think is more fit to emphasize here since the vocals are already pretty emphasized by the break that came before it. Every time the pattern repeats is pretty much the same reason, with the consistency in mind.

"04:24:029 to 04:45:602 to why in such resting section, you used more harder 1/6 release gap than other more intense sections.
Such design really confusing me, and it's just appear through out the map randomly."

• that's just low density inverse pattern, the release here is tight as the vocals there follow a swing pattern. Lowering the releases there would make 1/12 mini-lns that would be much more frustrating to play than some 1/6 releases.

Again, you don't need to agree with me and you even may dislike this map getting ranked, I don't mind. But vetoing what you don't like and saying its "unnecessarily complex" feels disrespectful not just for me, but for everyone envolved with this mapset. I shall ask for reconsideration.

• In my opinion, its worth it because the reasons I mentioned before, emphasizing a highlight in the song doesn't need to be 100% consistent since its a highlight, a section of contrast between the whole section

"Additionally LNs plays awkward and don't fit the music, 1/8 gaps feel 'stick' and 'heavy', but synth is more disconnected, if you really want to express i think the better way is 1/4 -> 3/16 -> note or sth etc."

1/4 to 3/16 plays like the same, breaking the whole meaning of the patterning at using a bigger release, since with those tight releases you can't really cheese the LN without losing accuracy. You need to play those properly and that alone makes a huge emphasis that in my opinion fits the map as a whole.

"If it's for percussion sound then I don't understand why 01:40:377 (100377|3,100461|2) - are not lns"

• fixed, it was a minor inconsistency there

"also arrangement of density are not reasonable, compared 01:39:534 - to 01:39:872 - , it looks like progression purpose, but turn to inverse then suddenly stop in the middle"

• also fixed, made it more consistent within the progression

"00:24:029 (24029|2,24197|2) - 00:25:040 (25040|2,25209|3) - they have same pitch, but different expression"
"00:24:703 (24703|3,24872|3) - 00:25:714 (25714|1,25883|2) - also"

• fixed

"Two sounds exist at the same time in this case and there is enough space to map, I think they can be expressed at the same time. Moreover, the music gradually increases, and the density becomes lower. It would be very chaotic if it suddenly switches to another expression"

• didn't get what you said there, usually if you try to emphasize two sounds at the same time you won't emphasize any imo

"not said streams is not allowed but they just randomly put. I will just say I'm not saying can't, but this really trying to put down the ranked standard"

• again, i'm just following the percussion/hihats, they don't feel random as they just following the song 1 to 1...

"oh I get it, but I still think they have significantly different density arrangement, 02:39:872 - just without that harmony sounds, can still buffed to reduce that difference"

• done ig

sorry for the fragmented text i missclicked the ctrl key when writing it www

hello! so here again to answer some questions:

"can get it, but the problem is that it only follows the 'flow' but don't consider their experience of playing and consistency. I think which is also mentioned in gz's post and muse dash's post, they explained it clearly so I will skip this"

• consistency wise, it isnt per say consistent with the whole section, but its within the whole map since I repeat this logic every single kiai, with some density increase each kiai. Gameplay wise every single playtester of all different skill levels played it just fine and didnt find the flow awkward, maybe its just a personal thing.

"I could fully understand that but,

first problem is that it feels too mess -- 01:19:647 - synth -> 01:20:321 - harmony -> 01:22:006 - vocal, mapper used three approaches to map in one part, don't think it's a good idea since music is quite unchanged in overall"

• all of this emphasis can be traced back to the extended vocal that repeats after two bars, you can see that after those vocals the rhythm emphasis is pretty consistent. Again, maybe there's a "better" way to do it, but I do think this is fine for this map, and would sure like to see ppl mapping this in another way.

"Another one is that, is it worth emphasizing this with so many details? I don't think this is a very important part of the music, or a part worth emphasizing.
The synth is everywhere and then dropped by mapper at later part, which make it feel like it is overshadowing the main part."

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fixed

perhaps

da nominate ai

about LN consistency in the section between 03:57:737 - 04:24:029

I think its a valid concern since its a bit too much freeform compared with what the song calls for, even in my interpretation of it.

• 03:57:737 (237737|3) is clearly a vocal LN, don't see any issues there
• 04:02:456 compared 04:13:242: I agree, there's a progression going on but the density gap between the two patterns is a bit overkill, i've nerfed 04:13:242 a bit and now should be coherent.
• the last transition starting at 04:21:332 I really don't see the point. I've changed a bit to be more fitting of the overall map structure but honestly it was fine before. The break at 04:22:849 now emphasize properly the percussion drum as I intended to do before but now is clearer.

As for 05:04:478, I've arranged to be more fitting of the overall 1/8 structure usage in the map, like the other transitions/bursts.

Now, for the elephant in the room, "Star rating bloating"

"1/4 gaps can work well as 1/8, while 1/8 has a risk to burst the SR, so we rarely seen it in most other maps' design"

1/4 gaps CAN work as well, that's the keyword here. Not the case for this chart, where heavy 1/4 usage is already present in almost every dense section. So, how do I emphasize the prevalent sounds in the music in a already dense as heck section? Messing with release gaps is one of the ways to do it without actively changing the density on the map. But, why 1/8 then?

1/8 gaps work here because I really avoid to use staggered releases with those and the gap itself isnt too strict because of the low bpm. A 6* 178bpm should be able to have a lot of leeway to explore technicalities like 1/8. And about the SR issue, 1/8 gaps arent as abusive and exploitable as other odd release gaps that are really common in ranked maps nowdays like 3/16 or 2/12 and its actually harder than those for the player, so I really don't issue whats your issue here. 1/4 COULD work, but so as 1/8 and so on.

And about the ending burst... As I said, thats nothing new as the ranked section goes, and the patterning is really straightforward, following the extended vocals + exquisite synth pattern that isnt found anywhere else in the song. I really don't see why it could become a issue, but for now I normalized the LN lengths and releases as mentioned in 2029303#4763481/12652823. I hope this can clarify your concerns and if its not, please lay down your concerns more clearly in the thread.

yeah, i was experimenting with staggered releases there and it turned out a bit inconsistent. I've normalized the ln lenghts and gaps a bit so there's no more weird occasional long LNs like u mentioned out.