Lasse wrote:

saw this bubbled and got interested cause I like the song
but the highest difficulty feels completely disconnected from the song
caused by many things like the extreme overmapping of blue ticks on spots like 01:00:021 (4) - 01:02:627 (4,5,6,7,8) - 01:03:495 (3) - 01:04:127 (8) - 01:05:153 (3,4,5,6,7) -, most of 01:05:153 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and many more

also the chorus is mainly just 1/2 jump spam with some sliders (+the mostly overmapped 1/4s) where it just ends up with basically no emphasis at all because even insignificant beats like 01:00:258 (6) - are clickable/jumps. so the beats that stand out more in the song don't feel like they stand out more in the map. it's like you tried to emphasize everything, which basically ends up emphasizing nothing. it's hard to tell what your'e even trying to follow because of this

I disagree. because if this part was to be removed, there wouldn't be much difference between other difficulties. when I map I always put my best efforts towards making fun maps to play and if this part was removed there wouldn't to be much reason of me making this difficulty.


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having a few overmapped 1/4s can work fine for emphasis etc., but here it just feels like you mapped a totally different song. I don't think this should get anywhere near the ranked section in its current state (talking only about the highest difficulty, I didn't really look at others)

secondly, as I mentioned before I always think about making the difficulty fun to play for many players and this is what I always try my best when I'm mapping

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these points are not reasons for the pop, but I still think they should be addressed:
I don't think tickrate 2 fits this map well, as it makes most ticks land on nothing and really kills the slow parts, just take a look at things like 01:28:521 (1) - 00:22:205 (4) -

a thing for future maps (or maybe even for this if you want to make it nicer): try to use more of the playfield, there are parts like 00:25:363 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - which are barely using anything besides lower middle of the playfield for a long time, which becomes really boring to play and makes it feel really clumped

thirdly, I don't really think this is a huge issue in this difficulty
I do agree that the playfield is set bit low so I decided to spread above a bit


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also it seems like this mod was overlooked/ignored

done

MarkusTheFish wrote:

Cookiezi's Insane
For GFX ely?
Please reply in English?
(When I say space/overlap, I usually mean stacking)
00:08:942 (5,6,7) - Odd spacing for these three? Doesn't really follow the music.
I don't really think so
01:06:969 (10,1) - That circle overlapping the slider should be a nc. Space aswell.
It isn't necessary.
01:08:311 (1,2,3) - Those circles can be spaced.
change
01:12:416 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Follow the triplet pattern at the beginning of the selection.
I don't really think so
01:15:890 (1) - NC
done
01:18:258 (10,11,1) - That circle overlapping the slider should be a nc. Space aswell.
It isn't necessary.
01:23:311 (4,5,1) - That circle overlapping the slider should be a nc. Space aswell.
It isn't necessary.

In all, great map! Needs work on spacing!
Good luck on rank!

lit120 wrote:

um u could add it back to the forum though, but not uploading it to the server instead. that diff looks fun though xd

lit120 wrote:

um u could add it back to the forum though, but not uploading it to the server instead. that diff looks fun though xd

eLy wrote:

ALL NO CHANGE

Sotarks wrote:

eLy wrote:

ALL NO CHANGE

Why is Cookiezi not replying on thread, he's not forum restricted ?

eLy wrote:

RIP

Aerith123 wrote:

eLy wrote:

RIP

what why ? i like the song and the hitsound u make xd

Desperate-kun wrote:

Don't be hasty, it's only a popped bubble, not the world's end. Maybe it would be a better solution to fix the issues with the difficulty instead of deleting it (especially since you weren't told to remap it or anything), as there are obviously people interested in seeing it ranked.

Len wrote:

im big fan pls mutual me senpai

hope it gets ranked asap

eLy wrote:

BNだからと多数の意見を無視するのは違うでしょって話

Lavender wrote:

nice keysound

Karen wrote:

@others, avoid shitposting here, only post map related stuffs. dramas aren't funny, be serious.

Karen wrote:

where are the replies?

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Mod as requested.

[Normal]

1. ar5.5 is better since it's 190bpm
   OK
2. 00:42:732 (6) - change to a circle? I think the chain is quite long
   it's a good suggestion
3. 01:27:258 (2) - DS around this seems a bit off 1.0x
   fixed
   Very nice

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Mod as requested.

Disable widescreen support in all diffs.
done
Also I think slider tick rate 1 on every diff is better cuz 2 makes no sense... Objects like 01:33:574 (1) - in momoko diff has too many dots lol..At least explain your intension
there is a part that has piano sound added. the sound is important than visual in this case. so keep tick2

[Easy]

1. 00:52:521 (3,2) - avoid overlap
   change
2. 00:56:784 (1) - 01:14:627 (1) - 01:16:995 (1) - remove NC
   ok
   And why are all green lines snapped on 1/8? 00:12:455 - 00:16:087 - etc, every green line should be set back 1/8 to red/blue ticks.
   all done

[re]

1. 00:43:916 (5) - delete this cuz no sound here.
   change
2. 00:52:679 (4,5) - use a 1/4 slider? 00:52:758 - sound here is too weak so triplet seems too much
   change
3. 00:54:969 - also delete this note
   change
4. 00:55:442 - 01:02:705 (5) - same
   change
5. 01:02:784 (6) - change to a circle,01:02:863 - is overmapped
   I really like the placement on this difficulty right now. also, as I mentioned before, I always put my best effort towards making map that players can enjoy when I'm editing. even if this part is bit overmapped so I decided to keep it.
6. 01:05:153 (3,4,5) - same for this part
   as you replied, I reduced the amount of objects so now it has less sounds and easier.
7. 01:12:732 (3,4,5,6) - if you used circles for 01:12:100 (1,2,1,2) - why use 1/4 sliders here? They are absolutely overdone/inconsistent since no sound supports the 1/4 blue ticks
   I think you can reconsider your 1/4 placements in this diff: 01:17:469 (1,2,3,4) - this is very fine as there are sufficient sounds to support. However some other places some 1/4 sliders are overdone. A circle is more than enough.
   I looked at lasse's point, spacing is fine, just need some improvement on 1/4s.
   I do agree and this part actually dont have sound and have 1/4 slider but I always think about the movement and the player so even if this part does not follow the rhythm I wanted to have bit of a movement before going to jumps so I will be keeping this part

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Mod as requested.

[Lecana]

1. 00:07:679 (3) - NC
2. 00:35:469 (5,1) - swap NC
3. 00:37:995 (3) - NC

All fixed:D

Len wrote:

hello ely senpai i just wanna say something before it get ranked!

light:

00:19:521 (4) - avoid overlap
sorry, no change ;w;
00:42:100 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - what do you think about add 1/2 slider instead of notes
change
00:59:627 (2) - x335 y50 ?
Nice !
01:17:469 (1,2) - increase the distance http://puu.sh/tizNT/f090ee729f.jpg
ok change ~


Le:

01:03:890 (4,5) - swap the rhythm
no change
01:14:469 - what do you think add note here and 01:14:627 - 1/2 slider for emphasis here 01:14:627 -
no change

remove all unused lines
ok I'll do it



ㅋㅋ 수고하세양!

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Mod as requested.

[litoluna]

1. 01:15:258 (1,2) - try not to stack cuz it breaks the flow here.
   ->I tried it. but I think fitting this state.sorry TT

Len wrote:

Le:

01:03:890 (4,5) - swap the rhythm
01:14:469 - what do you think add note here and 01:14:627 - 1/2 slider for emphasis here 01:14:627 -

remove all unused lines

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Mod as requested.

[vellya]

1. ar9.2? It's an extra and i think 9 is too slow　umm...　I wouldn't think so., AR9 is just right imo
2. 00:54:337 - add a circle? The beat here shouldn't be ignored imo I see what you mean. But 00:54:100 (1,2,1,2) - are follow the melody. sorry keep it

My Angel Azusa wrote:

[okomom]

1. 00:17:469 (1,2) - ctrl+G can reflect music better imo as 00:17:311 (2,2) - have same sound okdad

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Mod as requested.

[cookiezi]

1. 00:06:416 (4) - use a 1/1 slider instead? There's literally no sound 00:06:574 - .
   change
2. 00:25:284 (10) - i dont hear a sound here
   change
3. 00:27:811 (9) - same
   change

My Angel Azusa wrote:

[wkyik]

1. 00:16:758 - add a circle, there's also a piano sound here

My Angel Azusa wrote:

[Hard]

1. 00:13:363 (3,4,1) - since downbeat 00:13:995 - should be emphasised ds for 00:13:679 (4,1) - should be more than 00:13:363 (3,4) - . I think you need to switch ds here　ok
2. 01:15:100 (2,3) - stack? hmm........I think it can tell from 01:15:890 (1,2) - , but ok

Len wrote:

wring:

00:07:363 (3) - ctrl g
00:08:153 (2) - no need to add jump here please
00:13:995 - it should be more emphasized than 00:13:679 (4) - fixed
00:15:574 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - approach circles overlaps make hard to catch it.. so I put not stacking to avoid confusing sorry
00:25:363 (1,2) - , 00:37:995 (1,2) - stack is better
00:30:100 (4) - ctrl g
00:36:258 (2) - if u wanna keep this slider than try it http://puu.sh/tizyD/0122699109.jpg its better than mm~...ok
00:40:205 (3) - 1/2
00:46:205 (3) - avoid overlap and stack here pls why u
no mention is no change sorry

and so on. really randomly placed in kiai plsplspls let me because those are in kiai plsplspls

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Len wrote:

hello ely senpai i just wanna say something before it get ranked!


hmr:

00:15:732 (2,3,4,5) - this liner pattern is a bit hard to catch for
00:15:732 (2,3) - I changed it to 1/1 slider
00:19:995 (6) - change to note for make easier
fixed


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Aerith123 wrote:

Not Using Video ?.......i think its great tho...more beautiful.... i guess

My Angel Azusa wrote:

Rechecked and should be fine now. A lot of blue tick notes are either deleted or well explained.

1. 01:01:205 (3,8) - slider end has clap hitsound, does not make sense.
2. 01:12:732 (1,2,3,4) - why are there claps
3. 01:18:100 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - these finishes are way overpowering and not appropriate for a piano
   why on 01:08:311 - does audio randomly drop 40%. If you're going to do a build up you should have a build down as well so the audio drop isnt so sudden and random feeling.
4. 01:14:942 (1,1,1) - why are these piano hitsounds. they arent accurate to the rhythm

1. 00:03:100 (4) - uneven slider, http://puu.sh/tszIX/8eeef3a4b1.jpg
2. 00:03:890 (1,2,3) - triangle isnt consistent around 5 http://puu.sh/tszS7/0a0568b0d8.jpg
3. 00:05:469 (4) - this is up to you but why stack 4 under 1 like this, you should use more of the play field and stop being so center focused.
4. 00:05:941 (6,1) - why are these two notes overlapping eachother like this, looks sloppy.
5. 00:08:942 (1,1,1) - spacing is underwhelming and seems out of place, these are strong independent notes, you should try to make them stand out instead of just putting them at some arbitrary distance, maybe stack them slightly or bring them close together.
6. 00:10:679 (3,1) - why are these slider bodies overlapping, looks bad.
7. 00:11:469 (1,2) - also these slider designs themselves are questionable as they're not very pleasant to look at.
8. 00:10:205 (2,3) - why are these two so different visually while 00:11:469 (1,2) - are the same, try for some consistency
9. 00:16:205 (4,2,3,4) - why overlap these
10. 00:13:048 (2,4,1) - why are these so clustered
11. 00:19:048 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - you have tons of editor space to work with yet you lock everything into such a dense area that it makes things just look like chaos, either better utilize the small space style you're going for or spread things out to allow for more consistent spacing between objects.
12. 00:28:679 (5,1) - slider head and end overlap
13. 00:29:942 (2,3,4) - why not use more consistent spacing
14. 00:35:469 (1) - blanket this?
15. 00:44:153 (6) - dont you think this is unnaturally high spacing as a result of weird aesthetic choices?
16. 00:44:469 (2,3,4,6) - why are these overlapping
17. 00:45:574 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why not make an actual star instead of this attempt at one
18. 00:46:995 (2) - overlaps 7 awkwardly,
19. 00:46:679 (1,3) - this can also be avoided,
20. 00:48:574 (2,3) - blanket
21. 00:48:574 (2,1) - if you're going to do overlaps like this atleast center the 2 on the 1 like this http://puu.sh/tsAmC/a03041909d.jpg
22. 00:49:363 (1,4,5,6) - these notes are a little close, you'd be better off given them more visual distance
23. 00:53:153 (1,5,7,8,1) - you can avoid this overlap
    etc

1. 00:06:416 (1) - Why space this object when
2. 00:44:153 (6) - dont you think this is unnaturally high spacing as a result of weird aesthetic choices?
3. 00:50:232 (5) - overmapped
4. 00:52:758 - overmap
5. 00:53:942 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - not sure if an all circle approach is really best for capturing the rhythm
6. 01:07:048 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - not sure if all circles is right here since there are strong elongated beats in the vocals
7. 01:12:100 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this is just dumb overmap that makes the following drum beat on 01:13:363 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - feel considerably weaker since the notes that follow are actually supported by the music unlike 1:12:100

Xexxar wrote:

[Hitsounds]

1. 01:12:732 (1,2,3,4) - why are there claps i guess it's because there're actually snare sounds. (depends on eLy)
2. 01:18:100 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - these finishes are way overpowering and not appropriate for a piano this diff respect not only the piano but also drums. why can't i express both?
3. 01:14:942 (1,1,1) - why are these piano hitsounds. they arent accurate to the rhythm listen to the song more carefully please......

Gaia wrote:

you can't be serious, half of these overlaps/aesthetics stuff isnt even noticeable in actual gameplay

eLy, your map is great, please don't give up because of another's subjective opinions.

in the case where you do decide to bring it back, feel free to call me. I'd be more than happy to go through the diff to tie up some loose ends

Xexxar wrote:

Hello there!

I believe the top diff to be lacking in quality, and am for this reason expressing my ability to veto this bubble for the following reasons:

[Aesthetics]
This is the biggest fault of this map, it fails to have cohesion in it's design and as such is very underwhelming and lacking in quality. There isn't really a solid logic of why notes are being placed where they are and I feel that there could be much work done on this map for this reason.

1. 00:03:100 (4) - uneven slider, http://puu.sh/tszIX/8eeef3a4b1.jpg
   How is this even noticeable in gameplay?
   Although I don't want to talk about other maps, 00:18:948 (1) - in My Hero top diff is this even??? I have no idea why you want others to change something that you yourself don't even follow.
2. 00:03:890 (1,2,3) - triangle isnt consistent around 5 http://puu.sh/tszS7/0a0568b0d8.jpg
   Why do you want an equilibrium triangle so much? It is not even necessary here, the mapper can use whatever shape they want for 3 circles in a row. lus such a minor difference won't make anything different.
3. 00:05:469 (4) - this is up to you but why stack 4 under 1 like this, you should use more of the play field and stop being so center focused.
   Whether stack or overlap or neither, all are fine for placement, idk why you insist on not stacking...00:04:837 (1,2,3,4,5) - these play as a whole and the flow is good.
4. 00:05:941 (6,1) - why are these two notes overlapping eachother like this, looks sloppy.
   again, overlap like this is fine, it also occurs in a majority of today's maps. So far everything you wrote is your personal opinion and I dont think they make sense.
5. 00:10:679 (3,1) - why are these slider bodies overlapping, looks bad.
   Looks bad is not a reason to let mapper change it, the overlap is again very decent here, don't force him to change to stack.
6. 00:11:469 (1,2) - also these slider designs themselves are questionable as they're not very pleasant to look at.
   as they're not very pleasant to look at. are you serious? Then i can say 00:36:091 (1) - in my hero is not pleasant to look at. The fact is 00:11:469 (1,2) - they are the same shape, just flipped. this is totally your personal idea lol
   etc

Xexxar wrote:

Hello there!

I believe the top diff to be lacking in quality, and am for this reason expressing my ability to veto this bubble for the following reasons:

[Hitsounds]

1. 01:01:205 (3,8) - slider end has clap hitsound, does not make sense.
2. 01:12:732 (1,2,3,4) - why are there claps
3. 01:18:100 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - these finishes are way overpowering and not appropriate for a piano
   why on 01:08:311 - does audio randomly drop 40%. If you're going to do a build up you should have a build down as well so the audio drop isnt so sudden and random feeling.
4. 01:14:942 (1,1,1) - why are these piano hitsounds. they arent accurate to the rhythm

[Aesthetics]
This is the biggest fault of this map, it fails to have cohesion in it's design and as such is very underwhelming and lacking in quality. There isn't really a solid logic of why notes are being placed where they are and I feel that there could be much work done on this map for this reason.

1. 00:03:100 (4) - uneven slider, http://puu.sh/tszIX/8eeef3a4b1.jpg
2. 00:03:890 (1,2,3) - triangle isnt consistent around 5 http://puu.sh/tszS7/0a0568b0d8.jpg
3. 00:05:469 (4) - this is up to you but why stack 4 under 1 like this, you should use more of the play field and stop being so center focused.
4. 00:05:941 (6,1) - why are these two notes overlapping eachother like this, looks sloppy.
5. 00:08:942 (1,1,1) - spacing is underwhelming and seems out of place, these are strong independent notes, you should try to make them stand out instead of just putting them at some arbitrary distance, maybe stack them slightly or bring them close together.
6. 00:10:679 (3,1) - why are these slider bodies overlapping, looks bad.
7. 00:11:469 (1,2) - also these slider designs themselves are questionable as they're not very pleasant to look at.
8. 00:10:205 (2,3) - why are these two so different visually while 00:11:469 (1,2) - are the same, try for some consistency
9. 00:16:205 (4,2,3,4) - why overlap these
10. 00:13:048 (2,4,1) - why are these so clustered
11. 00:19:048 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - you have tons of editor space to work with yet you lock everything into such a dense area that it makes things just look like chaos, either better utilize the small space style you're going for or spread things out to allow for more consistent spacing between objects.
12. 00:28:679 (5,1) - slider head and end overlap
13. 00:29:942 (2,3,4) - why not use more consistent spacing
14. 00:35:469 (1) - blanket this?
15. 00:44:153 (6) - dont you think this is unnaturally high spacing as a result of weird aesthetic choices?
16. 00:44:469 (2,3,4,6) - why are these overlapping
17. 00:45:574 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why not make an actual star instead of this attempt at one
18. 00:46:995 (2) - overlaps 7 awkwardly,
19. 00:46:679 (1,3) - this can also be avoided,
20. 00:48:574 (2,3) - blanket
21. 00:48:574 (2,1) - if you're going to do overlaps like this atleast center the 2 on the 1 like this http://puu.sh/tsAmC/a03041909d.jpg
22. 00:49:363 (1,4,5,6) - these notes are a little close, you'd be better off given them more visual distance
23. 00:53:153 (1,5,7,8,1) - you can avoid this overlap
    etc

[Gameplay]

1. 00:06:416 (1) - Why space this object when
2. 00:44:153 (6) - dont you think this is unnaturally high spacing as a result of weird aesthetic choices?
3. 00:50:232 (5) - overmapped
4. 00:52:758 - overmap
5. 00:53:942 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - not sure if an all circle approach is really best for capturing the rhythm
6. 01:07:048 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - not sure if all circles is right here since there are strong elongated beats in the vocals
7. 01:12:100 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this is just dumb overmap that makes the following drum beat on 01:13:363 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - feel considerably weaker since the notes that follow are actually supported by the music unlike 1:12:100

THANK YOU ELITE MAPPER XEXXAR ^^

eLy wrote:

sorry for being emotional

Loctav wrote:

Here is a gist about what has been changed:

1. We have changed the meaning of bubble pops to be more than what they were. Bubble pops can now be considered as your personal right to veto a beatmap from being Qualified. You are free to pop any bubble if you strongly disagree and therefore veto it to move any further. Obviously, you have to reason this step by telling people why you do this. This gives you the power to push for more quality and eventually stop stuff to be Qualified that is just bad (objectively or subjectively.

Sotarks wrote:

eLy wrote:

sorry for being emotional

you apologize here and you keep going on with those "idk why he's a bn", "your mods are ununderstandable" why do you just can't take
critism in the right way, why you need to show frustration that way eLy, espacially when you look your twitter and how do you react to those stuff.
doing that to xexxar is pretty rude tbh..
i'm not here to mod your map even tho i agree with xexxar and lasse especially, you shouldn't try and rank maps if you can't take feedbacks and critisim,
espacially in 2017...
just stop that attitude tbh, it's really the bad way how a mapper should be..

Hollow Wings wrote:

oh ok, i'm out.

Xexxar wrote:

That's a shame that instead of trying to improve your work you merely give up. I feel sorry for the rest of the guest difficulties since most were okay. It's your decision however, good luck on your future mapsets!

Kocari wrote:

Yeah Xexxar why you such a bitch, and your mods are worthless Net0. LOL osu! causing more drama than me not having food. Un fucking lucky man . I'm not gonna be conceited but if people had a mindset like mine whew. Things would be much cleaner tbh

eLy wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

That's a shame that instead of trying to improve your work you merely give up. I feel sorry for the rest of the guest difficulties since most were okay. It's your decision however, good luck on your future mapsets!

i'm tired of thinking answer of worthless mods. thanks for your 'help'. keep it up

BYE

Net0 wrote:

Kocari wrote:

Yeah Xexxar why you such a bitch, and your mods are worthless Net0. LOL osu! causing more drama than me not having food. Un fucking lucky man . I'm not gonna be conceited but if people had a mindset like mine whew. Things would be much cleaner tbh

Can you state how my mod is worthless? I've pointed a few issues in some diffs and gave some thought about the overlap thing previously mentioned (I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't read that). I believe that any sort of repply on a beatmap thread that is not mod related(either in favor/against) or a positive comment are the complete worthless feedback people should avoid.

Xexxar wrote:

[Aesthetics]
This is the biggest fault of this map, it fails to have cohesion in it's design and as such is very underwhelming and lacking in quality. There isn't really a solid logic of why notes are being placed where they are and I feel that there could be much work done on this map for this reason.

1. 00:03:100 (4) - uneven slider, http://puu.sh/tszIX/8eeef3a4b1.jpg
   i don't think this have big problem here
2. 00:03:890 (1,2,3) - triangle isnt consistent around 5 http://puu.sh/tszS7/0a0568b0d8.jpg
   same as above, this isn't something should be changed
3. 00:05:469 (4) - this is up to you but why stack 4 under 1 like this, you should use more of the play field and stop being so center focused.
   don't think here is good place for it
4. 00:05:941 (6,1) - why are these two notes overlapping eachother like this, looks sloppy.
   tell me why not.
5. 00:08:942 (1,1,1) - spacing is underwhelming and seems out of place, these are strong independent notes, you should try to make them stand out instead of just putting them at some arbitrary distance, maybe stack them slightly or bring them close together.
   did you ever checked other difficulties? this pattern used for other difficulties as well and you never mentioning about it.
   still no clue why i should stack here, its already looks good for me.
6. 00:10:679 (3,1) - why are these slider bodies overlapping, looks bad.
   once again, tell me why not. i don't need to fit to your taste
7. 00:11:469 (1,2) - also these slider designs themselves are questionable as they're not very pleasant to look at.
   i have answered about this one already. i hope
   this is same as Re: in very end. here is representation re:lief logo
   its just self-satisfaction but also there are no reason why i have to change here
8. 00:10:205 (2,3) - why are these two so different visually while 00:11:469 (1,2) - are the same, try for some consistency
   ^
9. 00:16:205 (4,2,3,4) - why overlap these
   so why are you questioning about overlapping?
   i often use these style and never found why this is wrong
   again, tell me why not
10. 00:13:048 (2,4,1) - why are these so clustered
    well it might be ok to change this one, but i don't think i have to do this
11. 00:19:048 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - you have tons of editor space to work with yet you lock everything into such a dense area that it makes things just look like chaos, either better utilize the small space style you're going for or spread things out to allow for more consistent spacing between objects.
    there are no problem in flow, also i think it fit well with song as well.
    consistent spacing is not always needed.
12. 00:28:679 (5,1) - slider head and end overlap
    might ok to change this one, but i'd prefer this one for better flow for me
13. 00:29:942 (2,3,4) - why not use more consistent spacing
    are you talking about inconsistency triangles? i'm pretty sure there are a lot of maps like this.
    well, this is not something that make notable difference, so either change or not is ok.
14. 00:35:469 (1) - blanket this?
    comepletely unnecessary
15. 00:44:153 (6) - dont you think this is unnaturally high spacing as a result of weird aesthetic choices?
    did you find this weird? yeah but not for me. also i prioritize flow over aesthetic.
16. 00:44:469 (2,3,4,6) - why are these overlapping
    wow you really hate overlapping lol. same as eariler note
17. 00:45:574 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - why not make an actual star instead of this attempt at one
    because i don't want to. i intended to be 00:45:574 (1,2,3) - triangle here, 00:46:048 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - square here
    if you say need NC, that is probably understandable. but i don't think i should do
18. 00:46:995 (2) - overlaps 7 awkwardly,
    i believe don't even need explain about overlapping anymore
19. 00:46:679 (1,3) - this can also be avoided,
    unnecessary. i found flow is good in rectangle right after this one
    rectangle looks weird? yea probably but i don't think i need to change
20. 00:48:574 (2,3) - blanket
    nothing changed when actual gameplay
21. 00:48:574 (2,1) - if you're going to do overlaps like this atleast center the 2 on the 1 like this http://puu.sh/tsAmC/a03041909d.jpg
    no problem in flow. don't think this is problematic to read in gameplay as well.
22. 00:49:363 (1,4,5,6) - these notes are a little close, you'd be better off given them more visual distance
    00:49:679 (2,3,4) - i think this is enough for visual distance.
23. 00:53:153 (1,5,7,8,1) - you can avoid this overlap
    same as above
    etc

[Gameplay]

1. 00:06:416 (1) - Why space this object when
   you should explain how this should be changed instead of just questioning my intention.
2. 00:44:153 (6) - dont you think this is unnaturally high spacing as a result of weird aesthetic choices?
   same as i replied 'aesthetics' part. actually lot of people testplayed this as well and none complaint this is hard/weird to play
3. 00:50:232 (5) - overmapped
   i don't think so, if you think it's overmapped you have to say same for other difficulties as well.
4. 00:52:758 - overmap
   here is already changed into kickslider from triple by azusa's mod. either way i don't think its overmapped
5. 00:53:942 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - not sure if an all circle approach is really best for capturing the rhythm
   yes why not? it's might not best way but i can't find any problem here
6. 01:07:048 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - not sure if all circles is right here since there are strong elongated beats in the vocals
   i can't understand what you saying. its not even some ghost notes and clearly i can hear drum sounds.
7. 01:12:100 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this is just dumb overmap that makes the following drum beat on 01:13:363 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - feel considerably weaker since the notes that follow are actually supported by the music unlike 1:12:100
   again. tell me why not. i don't see any problem here, even i feel comfort to play, what's wrong with it?

Xexxar wrote:

It's hard to think of an answer when there is no reason for why you do what I am complaining about. Instead of trying to defend what you cannot you could decide to improve.

bye!~


Kocari: :^)

Hollow Wings wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

It's hard to think of an answer when there is no reason for why you do what I am complaining about. Instead of trying to defend what you cannot you could decide to improve.

bye!~


Kocari: :^)

just mention something: subjective mods from your post even declared by yourself, with no fatal mistakes, mapper himself will decide what's necessary to improve his map and what's not.

i heard of subjective pop by bns group is acceptable by ranking progress, well, that's no more than delay it without detail descriptions. bns' mods are same to common modders, can be denied if they are not that "enough to the level this bn wanna give". main point is: those mods do not deserve that pop.

for example, to me, make a part of structure more regular won't be a higher quality choice than just leave it in random placement. then, when some modders or even bns came and complained like "blanket this perfect", "make this triangle in mean delta form", "parallel these two sliders by tiny rotation" so that my map can be improved, i'll simply feedback "nope" because i thought those patterns the opposite way.

it's hard to give advices what mappers truely required, except unrankble issues, others may just suggest rather than force.



btw, if it's rude to refuse answering someone's question, it'll be also rude that the exact question has been asked by someone. no one's on the moral high groud here, please focus on the map itself.

viptwo wrote:

in other words, fuck quality, do whatever you want, noone gives a shit

- G I D Z - wrote:

viptwo wrote:

in other words, fuck quality, do whatever you want, noone gives a shit

Woah, u're just assuming things now calm down. Quality is rly subjective anyways, what is quality to you might not be quality to another mapper. I'm not saying that quality doesnt matter but he had his own concepts and explained why he did those patterns, it's up to the mapper if he decides to change the map accordingly, it's not your map. You cannot just force him to change everything or most things mods suggest just cuz u think it makes the map increases in "quality". Like Hollow Wings said, it's hard to give precise advice on what to change unless it's an unrankable issue; other than that the mods seem forced here.

viptwo wrote:

That's the issue here. " it's up to the mapper if he decides to change the map accordingly". Why mod at all when the mapper gets to decide after all? Why have a ranked section when the mapper gets to decide what is good and what isnt? Why try to have high quality maps when the mapper gets to decide? The mapper does not get to decide. Period. Xexxar saw an issue and he acted on it. Ely refused to cooperate and overreact instead of going the easy way of fixing stuff and getting a rebubble in a day. There is a (sadly mostly obsolete) ranking process for a reason.

viptwo wrote:

in other words, fuck quality, do whatever you want, noone gives a shit

eLy wrote:

this is problem between me and xexxar. random people shouldn't say something here
i gonna answer his mod just in case, but i don't want talk with him anymore

and it's pretty uesless someone is here to seeking for drama, such like kocari.

if you have anything to say, pm me or just go anywhere else

Hollow Wings wrote:

viptwo wrote:

in other words, fuck quality, do whatever you want, noone gives a shit

pretty dirty words and i have to say that you know nothing about quality.

Net0 wrote:

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  [Normal]
  

1. This soft addition on the hitsound here 01:08:311 (1) – sounds really odd since you just used here to change the sliderslider sound. Mind explaining your reasons here?
   you found it well. fixed

F1r3tar wrote:

what is this even

Zyl wrote:

General random mod

General

1. There are unused hitsounds are present in the package
   
   Info

   Unused hitsounds:
   normal-hitclap21.wav
   normal-hitwhistle21.wav
   soft-hitclap2.wav
   soft-hitclap42.wav
   soft-hitnormal42.wav
   soft-sliderslide3.wav
   soft-sliderslide36.wav
   soft-slidertick3.wav
2. There are unused files are present in the package
   
   Info

   BGely.jpg

PS1 :eLy please, don't listed the mostly of cancer comments that some of the """mappers""" say about your map, the map is really good so be optimistic.
PS2: I think that easy diff is really hard for new players with those 1/2 sliders, but it's acceptable.
PS3: For (some) of the people that makes the GD's, themods are humans, not robots, if you do that the future mods will not mod anything, so think about it, because you are mking harder the rank for eLy
PS4: eLy, if you hate someone ignore the problem, and that's all, please also please remember that the forum is for mapping thoughts (mods), and not for socialization problems,i do not want you to hate me or something that i said, but if yousee problems like those in forums, ignore them because it might put your map in some kind of "joke", so please be serious and ignore those childish problems.
PS5: xexxar and Net0, you must understand IF YOUR MOD DOESN'T HELPED TO THE MAPPER, THEY JUST DOESN'T HELP, accept it and stop with this childish drama.