2017-01-18 15:13 Doyak: Would you like to IRC?
2017-01-18 15:13 Doyak: (mod)
2017-01-18 15:13 Shurelia: ooh, sure.
2017-01-18 15:14 Shurelia: alright, I'm redy.
2017-01-18 15:14 Doyak: 00:58:222 (1,2) - I can hear 5 sounds here
2017-01-18 15:14 Doyak: including 00:58:810 -
2017-01-18 15:15 Shurelia: means there's a sound around 00:58:737 - here?
2017-01-18 15:15 Doyak: I think it's not a 1/4+1/6 thing
2017-01-18 15:15 Doyak: more likely be 5 equal beats
2017-01-18 15:16 Shurelia: ooh, means I should change the 1/4 slider into a circles?
2017-01-18 15:16 Doyak: so idk actually
2017-01-18 15:16 Doyak: hmm
2017-01-18 15:16 Doyak: this kind of case sucks
2017-01-18 15:16 Shurelia: probably the current one is already the most fit.
2017-01-18 15:16 Shurelia: since
2017-01-18 15:17 Shurelia: 00:58:222 (1,2) - these two did play well on following the violins.
2017-01-18 15:17 Shurelia: or probably 00:58:810 (1) - is lack of emphasis?
2017-01-18 15:19 Doyak: Well
2017-01-18 15:19 Doyak:
http://puu.sh/tqg5S/8de44e87a4.png2017-01-18 15:19 Doyak: it's like this
2017-01-18 15:20 Doyak: with the first 5 being in 1 1/1 beat
2017-01-18 15:20 Shurelia: I'm not a musician but I'll try to understand.
2017-01-18 15:20 Doyak: I'm not sure what to do in these cases
2017-01-18 15:20 Doyak: I'll just ask other BNs
2017-01-18 15:21 Shurelia: Alright. Please do.
2017-01-18 15:21 Doyak: oh I got something to do real quick
2017-01-18 15:21 Doyak: brb in 5 minutes
2017-01-18 15:21 Shurelia: take your time.
2017-01-18 15:31 Doyak: Well let's put that aside atm
2017-01-18 15:31 Shurelia: Alright then.
2017-01-18 15:31 Doyak: I brought this up on a nominator server
2017-01-18 15:32 Doyak: 01:14:104 (3,4) - Why is this much closer than 1,2?
2017-01-18 15:32 Shurelia: you mean discord's ?
2017-01-18 15:32 Doyak: Yes
2017-01-18 15:32 Shurelia: woops, fixed.
2017-01-18 15:34 Doyak: 01:31:751 (1) - is quite weird since you're suddenly changing to the drums
2017-01-18 15:34 Doyak: while 01:30:820 (4,5,2,3,4,5) - are all following the melody
2017-01-18 15:36 Shurelia: 01:31:751 (1) - not my part tbh but I can tell that Mir wants to give more emphasis to a new section.
2017-01-18 15:36 Shurelia: I mean.
2017-01-18 15:36 Shurelia: 01:31:751 (1) - did follow the melody too, imo.
2017-01-18 15:36 Doyak: it missed the melody on 01:32:045 -
2017-01-18 15:37 Shurelia: any suggestion?
2017-01-18 15:37 Doyak: the sliderend only represents the drum
2017-01-18 15:37 Shurelia: so
2017-01-18 15:37 Shurelia: how about
2017-01-18 15:37 Shurelia: i reduced the slider into red
2017-01-18 15:37 Doyak: Is this a collab?
2017-01-18 15:37 Shurelia: and then add a circle on 01:32:192 - ?
2017-01-18 15:37 Shurelia: yep
2017-01-18 15:38 Doyak: ah I see
2017-01-18 15:38 Doyak: Is it fine for you to fix his part?
2017-01-18 15:38 Shurelia: yep, he told me if it's not something major, He leave it to my judgement.
2017-01-18 15:38 Shurelia: IF he's not online now.
2017-01-18 15:39 Shurelia: (well, he's not online now so...)
2017-01-18 15:39 Doyak: I'd like to point some more general things as well though
2017-01-18 15:39 Shurelia: Hmm, I see.
2017-01-18 15:39 Doyak: like in this part,
2017-01-18 15:39 Doyak: some 1/2 spacings are almost equal to that of 1/4s
2017-01-18 15:39 Doyak: 01:22:339 (1,2,3) -
2017-01-18 15:40 Doyak: like this is quite sudden
2017-01-18 15:40 Shurelia: aah, probably he's trying to match the the spacings
2017-01-18 15:40 Doyak: 01:28:516 (5,6) - 01:30:869 (4,5,1) - compare these
2017-01-18 15:40 Shurelia: with the music.
2017-01-18 15:40 Shurelia: since this is a hymn not a normal song.
2017-01-18 15:41 Shurelia: like the music is just randomly went intense in a section.
2017-01-18 15:41 Shurelia: and then back to calm mode.
2017-01-18 15:41 Doyak: I can see that
2017-01-18 15:41 Doyak: but readability is also important
2017-01-18 15:42 Doyak: I won't say it should be readable in one's first try but well
2017-01-18 15:42 Doyak: I can live with this I guess
2017-01-18 15:43 Shurelia: Mmh.
2017-01-18 15:43 Shurelia: oh mir's online now
2017-01-18 15:44 Shurelia: I'll call him.
2017-01-18 15:45 Doyak: 02:12:339 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't quite understand this rhythm
2017-01-18 15:45 Shurelia: that's mine
2017-01-18 15:46 Doyak: It more feels lik
http://puu.sh/tqheQ/7bf62e53e0.jpg2017-01-18 15:46 Shurelia: that one, I'm trying to follow the drum's sound at there.
2017-01-18 15:46 Doyak: Yeah but I don't hear that many sounds on 4,5
2017-01-18 15:47 Shurelia: hmmm
2017-01-18 15:47 Shurelia: your suggestion then?
2017-01-18 15:47 Doyak: Just that one I captured
2017-01-18 15:47 Shurelia:
https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/Ao1GVJow ?
2017-01-18 15:48 Shurelia: ooh
2017-01-18 15:48 Doyak: That's gonna be pretty confusing to play
2017-01-18 15:48 Shurelia: I want to click something on 5 so
2017-01-18 15:48 Shurelia: aaah
2017-01-18 15:48 Shurelia: alright then
2017-01-18 15:49 Doyak: it'll be a nice transition to 02:13:222 (1,2,3,4,5) - these 1/4 rhythms too
2017-01-18 15:50 Shurelia:
https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/2zxCDcKK what do you think?
2017-01-18 15:50 Shurelia: I stack'd em so it can emphasize the drum more.
2017-01-18 15:51 Doyak: Hmm do as you want
2017-01-18 15:51 Shurelia: alright then.
2017-01-18 15:54 Doyak: 03:10:575 - for this part's snaps
2017-01-18 15:54 Doyak: I think the trills are all on 1/8s
2017-01-18 15:54 Shurelia: That's mir's.
2017-01-18 15:54 Doyak: this is quite minor I think
2017-01-18 15:54 Doyak: 03:17:634 (1) -
2017-01-18 15:55 Doyak: 03:19:104 (5) - 03:19:104 (5) -
2017-01-18 15:55 Doyak: all should be 1/8s I think
2017-01-18 15:55 Shurelia: someone already pointed that
2017-01-18 15:55 Shurelia: let's see
2017-01-18 15:55 Shurelia: actually Mir is online now.
2017-01-18 15:55 Doyak: I mean it's just about consistency
2017-01-18 15:55 Doyak: I know
2017-01-18 15:56 Doyak: but he'll be gone to school in a few minutes
2017-01-18 15:56 Shurelia: You can ask for reasonings better from him for this part.
2017-01-18 15:56 Doyak: okay I'll ask him now
2017-01-18 15:56 Shurelia: okii
2017-01-18 16:07 Doyak: Okay now let's continue
2017-01-18 16:07 Shurelia: alright
2017-01-18 16:07 Doyak: He told you some things to fix, right?
2017-01-18 16:08 Shurelia: yep
2017-01-18 16:08 Shurelia: already fixed it
2017-01-18 16:13 Doyak: oh wow you put some red lines on the end
2017-01-18 16:13 Doyak: but not on 03:48:369 - the break?
2017-01-18 16:14 Doyak: I think the break should rather have one
2017-01-18 16:14 Doyak: it'll be terrible to listen to that part with NC
2017-01-18 16:15 Shurelia: what do you mean?
2017-01-18 16:15 Shurelia: there should be a redline there?
2017-01-18 16:15 Doyak: Yeah
2017-01-18 16:15 Doyak: just listen to that part
2017-01-18 16:15 Doyak: it's all out of snaps
2017-01-18 16:15 Doyak: until you reset it on 04:08:438 -
2017-01-18 16:16 Shurelia: not gonna be necessary since there's nothing at there.
2017-01-18 16:17 Doyak: then what about 07:14:419 - 07:15:767 - ?
2017-01-18 16:17 Doyak: and as I said it still has some effect
2017-01-18 16:17 Doyak: like when you play with NC
2017-01-18 16:17 Shurelia: true enough
2017-01-18 16:17 Doyak: or on the menu
2017-01-18 16:18 Shurelia: but uuhhh.
2017-01-18 16:18 Shurelia: the other parts that you mentioned are also the empty part.
2017-01-18 16:18 Shurelia: it doesn't affect the gameplay.
2017-01-18 16:18 Doyak: so leave them be
2017-01-18 16:18 Doyak: and add one on the break too
2017-01-18 16:19 Shurelia: what bpm is it gonna be? :thinking:
2017-01-18 16:21 Doyak: :thinking2:
2017-01-18 16:21 Doyak: It doesn't need to be super accurate
2017-01-18 16:22 Doyak: btw, can I assume that all distance-random part Mir's?
2017-01-18 16:22 Shurelia: hmmm
2017-01-18 16:22 Doyak: is*
2017-01-18 16:22 Shurelia: like which?
2017-01-18 16:23 Doyak: 05:44:860 - this part?
2017-01-18 16:25 Shurelia: yep
2017-01-18 16:26 Doyak: tbh I don't really like varying too much spacing
2017-01-18 16:26 Doyak: It's really unexpected, unstructured, less readable
2017-01-18 16:26 Shurelia: well, for spacing we can fix it.
2017-01-18 16:27 Shurelia: but yeah the spacing as he said.
2017-01-18 16:27 Doyak: It's about general structure though, I wonder if we can fix it one by one
2017-01-18 16:27 Doyak: I think it's up to him
2017-01-18 16:27 Shurelia: really following the music's well
2017-01-18 16:28 Doyak: There are ways to make them more structured while keeping similar distances though
2017-01-18 16:28 Doyak: I think it's just experience
2017-01-18 16:28 Doyak: because spacing is not all that can represent the music's intensity
2017-01-18 16:28 Doyak: He's only doing that through the spacing, so that's where the problem comes from
2017-01-18 16:28 Shurelia: true enough
2017-01-18 16:29 Shurelia: but imo these spacings are quite minor?
2017-01-18 16:29 Shurelia: yes?
2017-01-18 16:29 Doyak: Can't do much at this point, we can go with this for this time
2017-01-18 16:29 Doyak: Let's try fixing some major ones
2017-01-18 16:30 Doyak: and that'll do it for this specific map
2017-01-18 16:30 Shurelia: alright
2017-01-18 16:30 Doyak: 05:18:978 (1,2,3) - like this one
2017-01-18 16:30 Doyak: looks really non-pattern
2017-01-18 16:31 Shurelia: fixed
2017-01-18 16:33 Doyak: Your parts are good
2017-01-18 16:34 Shurelia: mmh, thanks.
2017-01-18 16:34 Shurelia: how come did you know about my parts?
2017-01-18 16:34 Doyak: 05:45:742 (2,3) - 05:56:625 (1,2) - these are only overlapped 1/4s, what do you think?
2017-01-18 16:34 Doyak: hmm
2017-01-18 16:34 Doyak: Your parts look more tidy, I think
2017-01-18 16:35 Doyak: less random, in other words
2017-01-18 16:35 Shurelia: ooh, let's make both of them have same spacing.
2017-01-18 16:35 Shurelia: i give 'em 1.0x what do you think?
2017-01-18 16:35 Doyak: oh I mean
2017-01-18 16:36 Doyak: 05:47:801 (2,3,4) - 05:48:978 (6,7) -
2017-01-18 16:36 Doyak: all other slider-to-something 1/4s are spaced out
2017-01-18 16:36 Shurelia: aaah
2017-01-18 16:36 Shurelia: alright, let's make it spaced out.
2017-01-18 16:36 Doyak: Those two aren't particularly special or anything, so it's just unpolished
2017-01-18 16:37 Doyak: also I can see Mir really relys on to the blankets
2017-01-18 16:37 Shurelia: yeah, he really loves blanketing things
2017-01-18 16:37 Doyak: and sometimes 05:55:448 (4,5) - this kind of werid wide 1/4 balnkets happen
2017-01-18 16:38 Doyak: even bigger than 1/2 blanket 05:58:390 (5,1) -
2017-01-18 16:38 Shurelia: means he's forcing stuff for blanket
2017-01-18 16:39 Doyak: now you can see many flaws on his part too
2017-01-18 16:40 Shurelia: hmm
2017-01-18 16:41 Doyak: Okay, now update?
2017-01-18 16:41 Doyak: I'd like to see how things are changed
2017-01-18 16:41 Shurelia: 05:58:978 (1,2) - I ctrl+g 'd these.
2017-01-18 16:41 Shurelia: what do you think?
2017-01-18 16:42 Shurelia: I also did fix some of his parts too.
2017-01-18 16:42 Doyak: Yeah it would be great if you can help him fixing some things
2017-01-18 16:42 Shurelia: so, should I update?
2017-01-18 16:42 Doyak: Yup, update
2017-01-18 16:43 Doyak: if things are okay then we can move on to hitsounds
2017-01-18 16:43 Shurelia: oki
2017-01-18 16:45 Shurelia: done
2017-01-18 16:48 Doyak: redling
2017-01-18 16:48 Shurelia: btw deciding to leave this 03:48:810 - part cause ehehehehe , no big problem ehehehehe.
2017-01-18 16:48 Shurelia: orz
2017-01-18 16:50 Doyak: btw are you going to keep this OD7.7?
2017-01-18 16:51 Doyak: This will be like an acc hell lol
2017-01-18 16:51 Doyak: because of weird timings and irregular beats
2017-01-18 16:51 Shurelia: i can nerf it into 7.5
2017-01-18 16:51 Doyak: I'd prefer it being below 7
2017-01-18 16:51 Doyak: but it's up to you
2017-01-18 16:51 Shurelia: that'd be overkill.
2017-01-18 16:52 Doyak: I can only tell that people will really struggle on accing this
2017-01-18 16:52 Shurelia: let's give it 7.4 then.
2017-01-18 16:52 Shurelia: 7.2 rhen.
2017-01-18 16:52 Doyak: xD
2017-01-18 16:52 Shurelia: my best offer for nerf. T_T
2017-01-18 16:52 Doyak: just use what you want
2017-01-18 16:52 Shurelia: yeah, i know.
2017-01-18 16:53 Doyak: 01:30:869 (4,5,1) - oh no, this is waaaaay too far lol
2017-01-18 16:54 Shurelia: o lol
2017-01-18 16:54 Shurelia: he said just stack it
2017-01-18 16:54 Shurelia: well, I can do something about it
2017-01-18 16:54 Doyak: 01:33:222 (5,6,1) - this as well
2017-01-18 16:54 Doyak: maybe you can just move 01:31:604 (5,1,2,3,4,5) - all to the left
2017-01-18 16:56 Shurelia: o
2017-01-18 16:56 Shurelia: you'r right
2017-01-18 16:57 Shurelia:
https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/yCmI0DHQ good neough?
2017-01-18 16:57 Doyak: probably
2017-01-18 16:58 Shurelia: mmh, okay then
2017-01-18 17:01 Doyak: I don't really like 02:21:163 - this part
2017-01-18 17:01 Shurelia: why so?
2017-01-18 17:01 Shurelia: it's mine tho.
2017-01-18 17:02 Shurelia: i made it to build up some tensions for players.
2017-01-18 17:02 Shurelia: like
2017-01-18 17:02 Doyak: ah I mean
2017-01-18 17:02 Shurelia: 02:23:516 (1) - it's like a something new melody for me
2017-01-18 17:02 Doyak: not that one specific pattern
2017-01-18 17:03 Doyak: 02:23:516 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-01-18 17:03 Doyak: 1-2 is close
2017-01-18 17:03 Doyak: but 3-4 is far?
2017-01-18 17:04 Shurelia: 02:24:398 (2,4) - since for some reasons.
2017-01-18 17:04 Shurelia: 2 have lower intense than 4 for me.
2017-01-18 17:04 Shurelia: but yeah , I can reduce that a bit
2017-01-18 17:05 Doyak: Well I actually think the opposite
2017-01-18 17:05 Doyak: since the pitch goes down
2017-01-18 17:05 Doyak: I mean, 1-2 is pretty high
2017-01-18 17:05 Doyak: and 3-4 is lower
2017-01-18 17:06 Shurelia: oooh, you're right.
2017-01-18 17:06 Shurelia: done
2017-01-18 17:06 Doyak: 02:28:222 (1,2,3,4,5) - also here
2017-01-18 17:06 Shurelia: what's about it?
2017-01-18 17:06 Doyak: you can make this without mixing 1/2s and 1/4s into same pattern
2017-01-18 17:07 Doyak: imo every one of these notes
2017-01-18 17:07 Doyak: are quite intense
2017-01-18 17:07 Doyak: so imo there's no reason for the 1/2s to be same as 1/4s
2017-01-18 17:07 Shurelia: you mean the
2017-01-18 17:07 Shurelia: uuhh
2017-01-18 17:08 Shurelia: distance looks?
2017-01-18 17:08 Doyak: idk how to explain
2017-01-18 17:09 Doyak: it's like uhh
2017-01-18 17:09 Doyak: it's better when you can differentiate patterns
2017-01-18 17:09 Shurelia: imo it's already fine tho. But I'm waiting for your explainitation.
2017-01-18 17:09 Doyak: according to the beatsnaps
2017-01-18 17:10 Doyak: like someone would still believe
2017-01-18 17:10 Doyak: if they were all 1/2 gaps
2017-01-18 17:10 Shurelia: aaah
2017-01-18 17:12 Shurelia: like this then ?
https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/XowGq8dN2017-01-18 17:12 Doyak: I think that's better
2017-01-18 17:12 Shurelia: alright then
2017-01-18 17:13 Doyak: but it's always important for you to make yourself understand what you're doing
2017-01-18 17:13 Shurelia: of course I will.
2017-01-18 17:14 Shurelia: I was gonna give some emphasizes at there, but probably it's going to be a bit confusing since you mentioned , it looks similar with 1/2 snaps.
2017-01-18 17:14 Doyak: 03:10:575 - I'd say this is Mir's best part xD
2017-01-18 17:14 Shurelia: Hahaha.
2017-01-18 17:14 Shurelia: XD
2017-01-18 17:18 Doyak: I guess there's not much else to point out
2017-01-18 17:18 Doyak: let me check the hitsounds now then
2017-01-18 17:18 Shurelia: alrighty
2017-01-18 17:18 Shurelia: Ongaku's HS are amazing.
2017-01-18 17:18 Shurelia:
k_hand:
2017-01-18 17:26 Doyak: Yeah it's nice
2017-01-18 17:27 Doyak: btw no one's still answering to my question about that snap
2017-01-18 17:27 Doyak: actually not many are online
2017-01-18 17:27 Shurelia: uuuu
2017-01-18 17:27 Shurelia: probably try #nominators ?
2017-01-18 17:27 Shurelia: both in osu or discord modding.
2017-01-18 17:27 Doyak: ingame is abaondned mostly
2017-01-18 17:28 Doyak: so maybe let's go to discord
2017-01-18 17:28 Shurelia: yeah.
2017-01-18 17:28 Shurelia: alright, I'll see what's their opinion.
2017-01-18 17:28 Shurelia: you can try to HL 'em
2017-01-18 17:28 Shurelia: to get attentions.
2017-01-18 17:28 Shurelia: It's the purpose of that server after all.
2017-01-18 17:29 Doyak: @nominators you mean?
2017-01-18 17:29 Shurelia: yep.
2017-01-18 17:34 Doyak: and still nobody answers
2017-01-18 17:35 Shurelia: gdi,
2017-01-18 17:35 Shurelia: hmm give it another 5-10 mins?
2017-01-18 17:36 Doyak: meanwhile you can update it
2017-01-18 17:36 Shurelia: stalked the online BNs, either AFK or taking care maps.
2017-01-18 17:37 Doyak: lol
2017-01-18 17:38 Shurelia: if you want my opinion.
2017-01-18 17:38 Shurelia: it's fine as it is.
2017-01-18 17:38 Shurelia: since the 1/5 that you mentioned
2017-01-18 17:38 Shurelia: are barely noticeable.
2017-01-18 17:38 Shurelia: the current rhythm are already covered it good enough that it won't confuse players.
2017-01-18 17:39 Doyak: probably yeah
2017-01-18 17:39 Doyak: if I don't get any better suggestion then I'll live with that
2017-01-18 17:41 Shurelia: yeah, let's wait for now.
2017-01-18 17:41 Shurelia: Ehehehe.
2017-01-18 17:42 Shurelia: I'm watching youtube while waiting lol.
2017-01-18 17:42 Shurelia: and working on my exams.
2017-01-18 17:42 Shurelia: gg
2017-01-18 17:42 Doyak: You can also watch me playing my taiko map with HDFL
2017-01-18 17:42 Shurelia: oo, sure.
2017-01-18 17:43 Shurelia: how one plays HDFL in taiko.
2017-01-18 17:43 Shurelia: like entirely memorizing it all?
2017-01-18 17:43 Doyak: Yeah I'm exactly doing that
2017-01-18 17:43 Doyak: I've played this map so many times
2017-01-18 17:43 Doyak: but barely tried to memorize
2017-01-18 17:43 Doyak: so I'm relying on my muscle memory
2017-01-18 17:44 Shurelia: oh, your own map.
2017-01-18 17:44 Shurelia: that also kinda explain,
2017-01-18 17:45 Doyak: this is my first ranked Taiko map anyway
2017-01-18 17:46 Doyak: can't do this xD
2017-01-18 17:47 Doyak: I can just pass this but idk how to fc
2017-01-18 17:47 Doyak: my fingers don't work even though I know how the rhythm is
2017-01-18 17:48 Shurelia: the how japanese people did it. :thinking:
2017-01-18 17:48 Shurelia: they have tentacles, oh yeah.
2017-01-18 17:49 Doyak: they're not humans
2017-01-18 17:50 Shurelia: if some japanese people aren't humans.
2017-01-18 17:50 Shurelia: what about _yu ? :thinking2:
2017-01-18 17:50 Shurelia: a divine being, yeah.
2017-01-18 17:50 Doyak: divine, that's the perfect word to describe him
2017-01-18 17:50 Shurelia: lol
2017-01-18 17:51 Shurelia: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/898409 Fleshgod Apocalypse - The Deceit / The Violation]
2017-01-18 17:51 Shurelia: the most fucked up Taiko score that i've ever een.
2017-01-18 17:51 Shurelia: *seen.
2017-01-18 17:56 Shurelia: ooh
2017-01-18 17:56 Shurelia: someone's finally replied.
2017-01-18 18:00 Doyak: wow this is crazy
2017-01-18 18:00 Shurelia: super crazy
2017-01-18 18:00 Shurelia: i mean
2017-01-18 18:00 Shurelia: idk about other taiko players much on the leaderboard but
2017-01-18 18:00 Shurelia: I know tasuke that also a monster.
2017-01-18 18:01 Doyak: _yu68 is waaaaay above him
2017-01-18 18:01 Shurelia: yeah.
2017-01-18 18:01 Shurelia: anyway you might want tot check discord again if you haven't
2017-01-18 18:02 Doyak: I did
2017-01-18 18:02 Doyak: I guess we can go with that then
2017-01-18 18:02 Shurelia: yep.