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osu!mania 4K World Cup - Map Suggestions!

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Spy
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Spy
Hello everyone. With the departure of the CtB World Cup yesterday, this means that the osu!mania World Cup is soon to come!

To make it easier on the tournament staff, and the players in terms of match times/schedules, we have decided to split the 4K and 7K tournaments to two different times. We'll hold the osu!mania 4K World Cup first, then after the osu! World Cup, we will hold the osu!mania 7K World Cup.

For this, we are willing to take in mappool suggestions! We often find good maps can sometimes be just 'not seen', or unknown to the map selectors - this form will allow you to suggest to us a map you think is appropriate for players to play in the osu!mania 4K World Cup! Here is a few rules you must follow before making your suggestion:
  1. All maps suggested MUST be currently submitted to osu!
  2. The suggested maps must be for freemod only. There is no Double Time selection in osu!mania World Cup, so hence we do not accept it.
  3. We do not accept autoconverted maps from osu!standard.
  4. We do not accept beatmania IIDX songs.
  5. We do not accept songs with inappropriate content. This goes for songs such as Gigantic O.T.N
  6. We do not accept converted maps from other rhythm games, unless you are the creator of said map. We'd rather not have people freak out when they see their own BMS chart on an official osu! livestream being played, for example.
  7. 4K Only. The osu!mania 7K World Cup will be hosted at a later date.
Suggesting a map does not guarantee the map will appear in the mappools, however, every suggestion will be checked and considered provided it follows the guidelines above.

You can access the form for your suggestion here!
(Suggestions filled in as a reply to this thread will not be considered - you must use the form.)

If you have any questions, be sure to post below!
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puxtu
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puxtu
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Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

Spy wrote:

[*]We do not accept converted maps from other rhythm games, unless you are the creator of said map. We'd rather not have people freak out when they see their own BMS chart on an official osu! livestream being played, for example.
tfw last year we had 8/10 maps from stepmania hehehehehe
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Shoegazer
Is there any difficulty range that's preferred? Any preferred length as well?
Tidek
1,571 posts
Joined March 2011
Tidek

-Kamikaze- wrote:

Spy wrote:

[*]We do not accept converted maps from other rhythm games, unless you are the creator of said map. We'd rather not have people freak out when they see their own BMS chart on an official osu! livestream being played, for example.
tfw last year we had 8/10 maps from stepmania hehehehehe
Thats the reason why last year mappools were shit lol
-Maus-
571 posts
Joined August 2013
-Maus-

Shoegazer wrote:

Is there any difficulty range that's preferred? Any preferred length as well?
It's MWC, so you need to fit in around 2 stars.
Starry-
osu! Alumni
1,074 posts
Joined December 2012
Starry-

Shoegazer wrote:

Is there any difficulty range that's preferred? Any preferred length as well?
There is no preferred difficulty range for the suggestions - the suggestions will be aligned into their corresponding stages in the tournament (based on difficulty) once received.

Although just keep in mind as reference for the group stages, that the minimum rank required to join the tournament is probably going to be around #5000.

Length preferably under 4 minutes for the normal maps, with tiebreakers preferably being above 4 minutes.
Jinjin
891 posts
Joined September 2013
Jinjin

Shoegazer wrote:

Is there any difficulty range that's preferred? Any preferred length as well?
You can probably list some potential maps that you think are good. For example, I'd list maps in a categorical fashion in terns of star rating (yeah sr system is pretty bad in mania, but at least we can gauge the difficulties somewhat) jk, the form specifically says what we need to fill out lol
Last year I remember the group stages being around 3.5*~4.5* range and the knockoff stages being 4.5*+

Length probably doesn't matter as long as it's not absurdly short or long (like less than 30 secs or longer than 7~8 minutes), but yeah maybe the staff can clarify that.
Nvmd, starry already gave an answer while I was writing lol
Tidek
1,571 posts
Joined March 2011
Tidek
For 4K last year, group stage was around 3,2* -3,8*.
EtienneXC
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
115 posts
Joined January 2015
EtienneXC

Tidek wrote:

For 4K last year, group stage was around 3,2* -3,8*.
That sounds heavily accuracy biased, no?
Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze

EtienneXC wrote:

That sounds heavily accuracy biased, no?
Group Stage generally IS heavily accuracy biased
Nwolf
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Joined September 2012
Nwolf
who is mapping P8107
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

-Kamikaze- wrote:

EtienneXC wrote:

That sounds heavily accuracy biased, no?
Group Stage generally IS heavily accuracy biased
Unfortunately. I hate the idea that someone who can SS something easy could potentially beat out someone like staiain on something stai could DT and do just as well. Which is exactly what happened last year :/

I get that it makes sense to start off easy and progress in difficulty, but I sincerely hope this year's mappool ramps up a bit faster.
Tidek
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Joined March 2011
Tidek

Bobbias wrote:

Unfortunately. I hate the idea that someone who can SS something easy could potentially beat out someone like staiain on something stai could DT and do just as well. Which is exactly what happened last year :/

I get that it makes sense to start off easy and progress in difficulty, but I sincerely hope this year's mappool ramps up a bit faster.
Honestly, in last year difficulty of mappools was rising TOO FAST, dont get me wrong but maps difficulty of mappools in next rounds were getting unbalanced more and more.

About Staiain and DT things, its fair. Acc player will beat speed player on easy maps and vice versa, thats why the winner of mwc should be a team of players who can do extremely good scores on hard maps AND do extremely good scores on easy maps as well.

Anyway Staiain team could still lose even if those maps were DT, because its very hard to carry score team alone in mania (score cap 1mln)
Fullerene-
550 posts
Joined April 2013
Fullerene-
What about converted maps where permission from the original mapper was obtained (e.g. AiAe SHD)? Seeing as the main reason converted maps aren't included is because the original creator might not be made aware of its use, it should be fine as long as the mapper is OK with it. Proof would have to be provided of course.
[Crz]Player
228 posts
Joined September 2011
[Crz]Player
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/109438
Jepetski
99 posts
Joined December 2013
Jepetski
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/323777 xdddddd shameless self advertising
Tidek
1,571 posts
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Tidek

ATTan wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/109438
Definitely kamui is better than half of maps last year in semi/finals xDD
Agka
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Agka
lmao
Ortlinde
255 posts
Joined January 2015
Ortlinde

Fullerene- wrote:

What about converted maps where permission from the original mapper was obtained (e.g. AiAe SHD)? Seeing as the main reason converted maps aren't included is because the original creator might not be made aware of its use, it should be fine as long as the mapper is OK with it. Proof would have to be provided of course.
What? you want to submit Aiae SHD?
I'm out XD
Yuzeyun
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Yuzeyun
One word from me: Don't even dare.
Kkay1124
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Kkay1124
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/326600 It's a very good song ^-^
Jinjin
891 posts
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Jinjin

_Gezo_ wrote:

One word from me: Don't even dare.
357 ;)
EtienneXC
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
115 posts
Joined January 2015
EtienneXC
There should be a no gimmicks rule as well (BPM changes, random stops in the song, etc), anything that a player might not be aware of when playing in tournament.
Jinjin
891 posts
Joined September 2013
Jinjin

EtienneXC wrote:

There should be a no gimmicks rule as well (BPM changes, random stops in the song, etc), anything that a player might not be aware of when playing in tournament.
This was actually an issue last year, there were maps with heavy sv changes. However, slight sv changes should be fine because the map pool is released like a week before the actual match, which gives the players a chance to familiarize themselves to the maps
Ortlinde
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Ortlinde
Can i suggest marathon maps?
Tidek
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Tidek
What is wrong with BPM changes? lol? (megitsune for example)
EtienneXC
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
115 posts
Joined January 2015
EtienneXC

Tidek wrote:

What is wrong with BPM changes? lol? (megitsune for example)

It barely reflects a player's skill and is not needed for tournament use. It would just be more comforting for the other players as well.
Tidek
1,571 posts
Joined March 2011
Tidek
You mean BPM changes or SV changes?

Because idk how playing for example 150bpm and 180bpm in 1 map with SAME scroll speed wont reflect player skill.

EDIT: Doing good accuracy on slowjams is skill too anyway.
Kamikaze
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Joined November 2012
Kamikaze
Etienne while I see your point, we can't set a no gimmick rule beause Id' say that playing gimmicky maps well is a skill on it's own. Of course we don't want to have stuff as SV heavy as for example April #02 or Evanescent, but not excessive SV changes are good and needed imho.
As for the difficulty of pools I think that we should start a bit harder than last year and don't jump so fast upwards with every stage.
Fullerene-
550 posts
Joined April 2013
Fullerene-
One or two SV heavy maps in each pool would be nice to shake things up as a wild card pick, if people don't want to play it just pick something else. Map pools should contain many types of maps to test skill in many areas. Of course if like half of the map pools are SV heavy that's pretty excessive lmao.
Tidek
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Joined March 2011
Tidek
Forgot to add that each team will be able to ban 2 maps so I dont see a problem here.
Bobbias
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Bobbias

Fullerene- wrote:

One or two SV heavy maps in each pool would be nice to shake things up as a wild card pick, if people don't want to play it just pick something else. Map pools should contain many types of maps to test skill in many areas. Of course if like half of the map pools are SV heavy that's pretty excessive lmao.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Map pools should have maps that test a wide range of skills so that teams have a chance to play to their advantages at least somewhat.

I think it also depends on the kind of SVs in maps. There's a big difference between SV gimmicks like MAS maps as opposed to long slowdowns or speedups.
[Crz]Player
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[Crz]Player
welcome to o!m 4key aggro threaㄷ
skystorms88
27 posts
Joined February 2014
skystorms88
Submitted over 15+ beatmaps (3.25 SR and above, phew...) ranked & pending

Thanks, Spy for giving a chance to suggest MWC beatmaps~
Tidek
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Tidek

skystorms88 wrote:

Submitted over 15+ beatmaps (3.25 SR and above, phew...) ranked & pending

Thanks, Spy for giving a chance to suggest MWC beatmaps~
I think there is no need to suggest ranked maps, Im sure that map selectors know all of ranked ones.
skystorms88
27 posts
Joined February 2014
skystorms88

Tidek wrote:

I think there is no need to suggest ranked maps, Im sure that map selectors know all of ranked ones.
about map selectors aware about ranked maps, i'm not certain. But I submitted mainly beatmaps which not used in last year's MWC ;) (and fulfill the submission criteria ofc)

And maybe, map selectors will have more options for those submitted beatmaps and maps that they're already aware.

This is the only way I can join the MWC 2015 hype
Jinjin
891 posts
Joined September 2013
Jinjin
I already sent a bunch of maps ranging from 3.5* to 7+* (playable ones, not those cancer inducing weird patterned maps) hopefully we'll see a very challenging mappool for the finals ^^
Ortlinde
255 posts
Joined January 2015
Ortlinde

iJinjin wrote:

I already sent a bunch of maps ranging from 3.5* to 7+* (playable ones, not those cancer inducing weird patterned maps) hopefully we'll see a very challenging mappool for the finals ^^
HAELEQUIN?
Bobbias
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Bobbias

iJinjin wrote:

I already sent a bunch of maps ranging from 3.5* to 7+* (playable ones, not those cancer inducing weird patterned maps) hopefully we'll see a very challenging mappool for the finals ^^
How playable is Shoegazer's Gengaozo_Foon?
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Shoegazer

Bobbias wrote:

iJinjin wrote:

I already sent a bunch of maps ranging from 3.5* to 7+* (playable ones, not those cancer inducing weird patterned maps) hopefully we'll see a very challenging mappool for the finals ^^
How playable is Shoegazer's Gengaozo_Foon?
It's a little spiky but it's more than playable. I'd like to consider all of my charts playable :P
Jinjin
891 posts
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Jinjin

Etdah wrote:

iJinjin wrote:

I already sent a bunch of maps ranging from 3.5* to 7+* (playable ones, not those cancer inducing weird patterned maps) hopefully we'll see a very challenging mappool for the finals ^^
HAELEQUIN?
haelequin INF patterns really involve luck as much as it requires skill; i didn't include it since it's not really a good map to gauge one's 4k ability
that being said, haelequin INF is wayy too easy for the finals
Ortlinde
255 posts
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Ortlinde

iJinjin wrote:

haelequin INF patterns really involve luck as much as it requires skill; i didn't include it since it's not really a good map to gauge one's 4k ability
that being said, haelequin INF is wayy too easy for the finals
so...
Which map that have 7+ SR and playable
Tidek
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Joined March 2011
Tidek
I hope to see Last Star in the Universe by Shoegazer, damn tricky and technical map.

Topic: We all know that its impossible to make a decent 7*+ map for 4k without "vibro" patterns
EtienneXC
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
115 posts
Joined January 2015
EtienneXC

Etdah wrote:

iJinjin wrote:

haelequin INF patterns really involve luck as much as it requires skill; i didn't include it since it's not really a good map to gauge one's 4k ability
that being said, haelequin INF is wayy too easy for the finals
so...
Which map that have 7+ SR and playable
I don't think there are any viable 7* maps, but there are certainly some in the 6* range that can make some pretty solid candidates. As Tidek said, the only way to even make a somewhat playable 7* map is if you put some jumptrill patterns at high speeds. So while we won't see any 7* maps in the world cup, we'll certainly still see some rather challenging maps.
Halilintar
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Halilintar
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Intelli
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Intelli
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Jinjin
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Joined September 2013
Jinjin

EtienneXC wrote:

As Tidek said, the only way to even make a somewhat playable 7* map is if you put some jumptrill patterns at high speeds.
Exactly, 7* maps are certainly viable if there are high speed vibro maps. Like Nijuu for example (althouigh that can't be submitted because it's converted from sm). I believe the one i submitted was fullerene's peace breaker mix
StaiainFanBoys
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EtienneXC
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
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EtienneXC

StaiainFanBoys wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/193512
Well hi there.
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