19:59 Natsu: bakari can u help me with some old style map lol? but the prob is that it's vocaloid mitchi m xd
19:59 Bakari: depends on how old the style is :p i'm interested
20:01 Natsu: itt has my slider things, but is mapped with low spaced streams at low bpm
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/664099 check it out
20:06 Bakari: >low bpm
20:06 Bakari: >140 D:
20:06 Natsu: 144
20:07 Natsu: yeah people will dt this a lot lol
20:07 Natsu: just as
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/12000220:07 Natsu: xD
20:09 Bakari: ugh, let's just go through it via irc and see if I can pick something
20:09 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1415824 Mitchie M feat.Hatsune Miku with KAITO - Oedo Julia Night [Easy]]
20:09 Natsu: KK lets do it
20:09 Bakari: 00:07:755 (3) - i really don't think these are readable enough
20:10 Bakari: 00:16:713 (2) - same with these
20:10 Bakari: assuming just about everything is enabled by default, this will be a disorienting hell for beginners :p
20:10 Bakari: as in, everything blending with everything and the shapes are confusing on their own
20:11 Natsu: i tested them with 1,000,000 rank person and didn't have probs with it, the 2,000,000 one missread the first one but then played the rest perfectly
20:11 Natsu: i tried to make an interesting easy tbh
20:11 Bakari: meh, 00:35:047 (1) - I still don't think that's gonna work, tho
20:11 Bakari: we are supposed to show the mechanics in a more or less easy to understand way
20:12 Natsu: what if I rename it ?
20:12 Natsu: to normal and normal to advanced?
20:12 Bakari: could do, just boost the settings slightly as well
20:13 Natsu: ar 3,5 od 3
20:15 Natsu: timig is from pishifat so should be fine
20:16 Bakari: 01:28:797 - shouldn't this be a separate circle, feels like a different part of the melody
20:18 Natsu: yeah. but the previous sound is in 1/3, that's why I used it tbh
20:19 Bakari: then maybe just remove the reverse from the slider and that's it?
20:19 Bakari: we'd highlight the wubs and let players rest a little
20:19 Natsu: i can do that sure
20:19 Bakari: plus, that still sort of works with the rhythm we use
20:20 Natsu: yup
20:20 Natsu: can I use like
20:21 Natsu: Standard, Advanced, Hyper Insane
20:21 Natsu: ¿
20:21 Bakari: o sure
20:21 Bakari: Standard / Advanced / Challenging / Extreme could be an option as well
20:21 Bakari: whatever you like the most
20:22 Bakari: 03:19:213 (2,4) - can you try replacing these with single circles? I feel like 03:19:630 - 03:21:297 - are just echo
20:23 Bakari:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/920109420:23 Bakari: same would apply for similar parts, though
20:24 Natsu: tbh is just using the same rhythm as the previous kiai 01:10:047 (1,2,3,4) -
20:24 Natsu: following the vocals
20:24 Natsu: just happen that the last chorus don't have them lol
20:24 Natsu: and I mapped it similar for consistency
20:25 Bakari: I'd probably try the thing for every part anyway
20:25 Bakari: i don't know, i can't quite explain it, I just feel like that'd be slighly more intuitive for players
20:26 Natsu: but tbh the slider cover all the 1/4 sounds 03:19:213 (2) - and making it 2 circles would leave many sounds uncover, basically what i did at normal too
20:27 Bakari: thing is, the whole song is just spammed with 1/4s though
20:28 Bakari: so I don't see why you'd want to have these 1/4s mapped and ignore the rest :p
20:28 Natsu: but not as clear as these ones, also I think the slider are more friendly to play
20:30 Bakari: mkay
20:30 Bakari: let me quickly check general stuff
20:31 Natsu: kk
20:32 Bakari: where'd you get the metadata from?
20:32 Bakari: I'd rather do it like this
20:32 Bakari: Artist: Mitchie M
20:32 Bakari: Title: 大江戸ジュリアナイト feat. 初音ミク with KAITO
20:32 Bakari:
http://mitchie-m.com/discography/ based on this
20:33 Natsu:
p/623443420:34 Natsu: in alacat link disc 1 song 5
20:34 Natsu: 大江戸ジュリアナイト / Mitchie M feat.初音ミク with KAITO
20:34 Natsu:
http://d-ue.jp/miku10th/20:34 Bakari: wouldn't in this case artist's site have priority over whatever this thing is?
20:35 Natsu: tbh I really prefer to use mitchie m instead lol
20:35 Natsu: this long thing looks so troll, since vocaloids are instrument not artist
20:35 Natsu: but dunno if that's fine?
20:35 Bakari: welp, thing is, both links should be okay to use
20:36 Bakari: though I'd still prefer the one I've linked
20:37 Bakari: the guy literally wrote a website devoted to this vocaloid stuff
20:37 Bakari: and composed everything all buy himself
20:37 Natsu: lol
20:38 Natsu: so u think is better to just mitchie m?
20:38 Bakari: yeah
20:39 Natsu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 3yyYYLyVzw20:40 Bakari: If we refer to this video, than it's just Mitchie M - Ohedo Julia-Night
20:41 Natsu: k gonna add the other things to tags then
20:41 Bakari: this is why we don't map vocaloid stuff
20:41 Bakari: because metadata
20:43 Natsu: hahaha i just map mitchie m becaause it's different
20:43 Natsu: annd offer me weird rhythms hahah
20:44 Bakari: the video will probably give me nightmares though
20:44 Bakari: a bunch of middle-aged japanese men
20:44 Bakari: bald
20:44 Bakari: and banging drums with aggressive faces
20:44 Bakari: looks like hell to me tbh
20:45 Natsu: lmao
20:46 Natsu: hahahaha
20:46 Bakari: btw, is drum-hitnormal3 meant to be inaudible?
20:46 Natsu: yes
20:46 Natsu: it's only used in the weird timing part
20:47 Natsu: to avoid the sound of hitnormal and only have the drum sounds
20:47 Natsu: 02:55:047 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - top diff
20:47 Bakari: drum-hitnormal has a 2ms delay, btw
20:48 Bakari: i can fix that if you think it'd matter
20:48 Natsu: it's fine, but if u want
20:49 Bakari:
https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/1kJPVeIg.wav20:49 Bakari: whoosh
20:51 Natsu: done
20:53 Bakari: back to normal
20:56 Natsu: kk
20:59 Bakari: 03:34:630 (3,1) - is there a way to make (1)'s sliderpath more clear?
20:59 Natsu: it's the normal or the easy
21:00 Bakari: normal
21:01 Natsu: tbh just making a tiny jump lol
21:02 Bakari: or you could just alter the pattern a little
https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/XdIkRtLj.jpg 21:04 Natsu: ok done
21:04 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1414941 Mitchie M feat.Hatsune Miku with KAITO - Oedo Julia Night [Hard]]
21:05 Bakari: 00:03:847 (1) - i'm not 100% sure we need it here, as in, it's just too long
21:06 Natsu: it's a simplified version from both top diff
21:06 Natsu: check them and u will see, u know I always do that kind of simplifications at each diff, to keep them similar
21:07 Bakari: i'd probably just keep two sliders like it's done on insane, though
21:07 Bakari: it's a little harder, but it keeps players busy
21:07 Bakari: they don't just hold on to a single object, they do some movement
21:08 Natsu: the thing is that is 1/6
21:08 Bakari: and it isn't something impossible, since OD is low and BPM isn't that fast two sliders would work
21:08 Bakari: yeah, I know it's 1/6
21:08 Natsu: and the single thing cause less confusion
21:09 Natsu: also is just holding a thing, is simple to play
21:09 Bakari: but it's just so passive and yet it gives such a long combo
21:10 Natsu: it would give the same with 2 slider, but more complicated and I kinda want to safe the 2 sliders for the next diff
21:10 Bakari: that's the point, two sliders would stress players more :p which would justify the combo count
21:12 Natsu: but i feel it's too complicated for a hard, because I didn't used many 1/6s there only 2 times the long slider x.x
21:14 Bakari: mhm, i don't think it's that hard since it's just a slider-slider pattern
21:14 Bakari: but yeah, that'd definitely stand out in a negative way
21:14 Natsu: i mean is hard, because one slider would have 1 more repeat
21:15 Natsu: that's why i didn't used it for a hard
21:16 Bakari: mhm, makes sense
21:17 Bakari: 01:27:130 (2) - any way we could make them more obvious? maybe [https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/rz2EKtbL.jpg this way]?
21:17 Bakari: the idea is to make them very easy to tell from regular straight sliders
21:21 Bakari: 02:23:588 (1,1) - something something ncs not needed
21:22 Natsu: ok
21:22 Natsu: done the sliders
21:22 Natsu: the ncs are a decoration thing that comes with the flash in the video
21:23 Bakari: decorations aren't really needed as the video itself does the decorating job well enough
21:23 Bakari: and if players disable the video, NCs won't matter much
21:29 Natsu: also the snap and music suggest pause between objects
21:29 Natsu: like the music threat them more like a single beats than a group of beats
21:29 Bakari: well, if you just keep them stacked
21:29 Bakari: it'll feel like three separate beats that sound very similar
21:32 Natsu: i really want to keep them tbh they also make easier to read the rhythm pauses
21:33 Natsu:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9201620 btw this should be better right
21:33 Natsu: ?
21:33 Bakari: yeah, a lot better
21:33 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1413791 Mitchie M feat.Hatsune Miku with KAITO - Oedo Julia Night [Insane]]
21:34 Bakari: 01:24:630 (3,4) - prob it's better if we stack them, so the 1-2-3 thing is stressed more
21:35 Natsu:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9201638 this?
21:36 Bakari:
https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/6kQ8LZo3.jpg more like this?
21:37 Natsu: wait is insane lol
21:37 Natsu: i was still on hard ahahah
21:38 Bakari: i np'd it just a few minutes ago :p
21:39 Natsu: i'd rather don't stack it as I'm following the vocals
21:41 Bakari: then maybe increase the DS for 1-2-3
21:41 Bakari: they seem to be pretty strong
21:44 Natsu:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/920171621:47 Bakari: yep, that's better
21:47 Bakari: brb, gotta afk for 5 minutes
21:47 Natsu: kk gonna pee then
21:56 Natsu: k
21:57 Natsu: btw
21:57 Natsu: there is a metadata post lol
21:57 Natsu: u might want to check it
21:58 Bakari: it's literally the same random website
22:00 Natsu: yeah
22:08 Bakari: 03:27:755 (1,2,1) - I'm not sure about spacing things this way, I'd probably try to keep (1) closer
22:08 Bakari: 03:33:172 (4,1) - 03:30:880 (2,1) - it can get confusing at times
22:11 Natsu: fixed the second one, the first and last are really readable tho
22:11 Bakari: 03:32:963 (3,4) - same lower-the-ds-thing
22:12 Natsu: nvm
22:12 Natsu: fixed the second one
22:13 Natsu: i mean i fixed second and last
22:13 Natsu: the first one is easy to read
22:13 Bakari: uguu
22:13 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1405572 Mitchie M feat.Hatsune Miku with KAITO - Oedo Julia Night [Dance Floor]]
22:16 Bakari: 00:26:714 (1,2) - how do these stacks work? are they easy/readable?
22:17 Natsu: 00:26:714 (1) - the melody change
22:17 Natsu: so i didn't wanted to keep the same spacing
22:18 Natsu: and using larger spacing would be weird, so i came up with the stack it's kinda a nice gimmick
22:18 Bakari: is it playable enough though?
22:19 Bakari: 00:33:588 (2,4) - also these two probably should be stacked, the other triangular patterns have 2-4 stacked
22:19 Natsu: yeah just u need to keep the same stream speed and it comes naturally, just the cursor movement stops to stress the different melody
22:22 Natsu: don't u think it's nice to keep the slow part with distance snap and without stack like really simple map?
22:23 Bakari: it's mostly for consistency tho 00:31:922 (2,4) - 00:38:588 (2,4) - also slow parts
22:27 Natsu: ah mmm let me think how to change that without remapping that full part
22:29 Natsu:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/920202322:29 Natsu: lol was just a ctrl g thing lmao
22:34 Bakari: that should be it
22:35 Natsu: that guy will send me some skin element in a few hours, maybe i'll poke u back after check them? maybe they are cool lol
22:36 Bakari: soore