1. always ~Arphi's Marathon~ (2.69 stars, 776 notes)
2. always ~Intense Marathon~ (4.06 stars, 1181 notes)

Always, always special.
The final song(s) in part 4 of the Putin-P Vocaloid series


Arphi's Marathon by Arphimigon
Intense Marathon by Noffy

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Celektus wrote:

[Overall]

1. The new standard for BG size is 1920x1080px so you might wanna get some more high res pictures or up scale your current ones. [color=blue]Tbh i'm so close to the filesize limit I may not be able to do this ovo; i'll try
   edit: nope... oh well, it doesn't make too big off a visual difference anywaayys.. ;_;[/color]
2. "doesnt exist.jpg" I assume isn't used so you might wanna remove it?!? it's called that because it's never visible, but is used in a very basic storyboard so that someone playing with video on can watch to the end (osu would just end it too soon after the final note otherwise).
3. 100% Volume for hitsounds is way too loud something like 50%-60% seems more reasonable for the fist section for example. Change them however you think they should be compared to my example for the first green line will fix this soontm!

[always ~Intense Marathon~]

1. I would consider making your spacing into 1/4 a bit smaller as 1/4 itself is slightly more straining than 1/2 *example* 00:17:231 (2,3) - changed the spacing for all of the 1/4s in the first song to be a bit smaller.
2. If you can maybe make these not overlap 00:31:076 (2,3,5) - it's more of a visual suggestion tho. the majority of the combos in this section have at least a little bit of overlap somewhere, so I think changing it may be a bit unfitting. No change.
3. I'm not sure if you just use bigger spacing to differentiate between 1/2 and 1/1, but If you still use some spacing emphasis based on intensity maybe make this one bigger 00:32:827 (7,1) - than these 00:32:191 (5,6,7) - because of the stronger Cymbal sound and tick. I'll consider it if I remap this to include actual jumps and stuff but for now.. distance snap! (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و
4. not sure if this is supposed to be a blanket, but I can't tell what it is blanketing 00:38:238 (1) - for example this and this seems both off. The curve is a bit exaggerated because I think that makes it look nicer, but fixed it so that at least the ends match up properly to 00:38:715 (2) - 's approach circle.
5. I'm not sure if it's not a bit confusing that these slightly overlap like your 1/4 00:40:785 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - consider spacing them ever so slightly apart. Seems like you could just scale the whole pattern if that helps I tested it. This repeats so maybe apply it all the time. Except for here 03:19:935 (7,8) - here it's 100% fine Since I decreased the spacing on the 1/4s as you suggested, they no longer look alike, so I think this point was fixed by that already.
6. If I'm not mistake this is the first 1/1 stack... or stack at all in the map so far 00:50:652 (6,1) - I think that's a bit inconsistent and kinda break expectations about your spacing concept a lot imo. It seems to be the only stack in a very long time so consider just spacing it out like the other 1/1 jumps I'll definitely think about this one some more, but I had wanted it stacked to further emphasize just how drastically calm the song has become compared to the start.
7. blanket could be better 05:57:195 (2,1) - yes blanket mod oh drat, the position of 05:57:833 (3) - was a bit off which made the blanket look (more) off than it was. Fixed.

gl with the set thank you so much c:

Noffy wrote:

Celektus wrote:

[Overall]

1. The new standard for BG size is 1920x1080px so you might wanna get some more high res pictures or up scale your current ones. Tbh i'm so close to the filesize limit I may not be able to do this ovo; i'll try
   edit: nope... oh well, it doesn't make too big off a visual difference anywaayys.. ;_;
   
   compress the picture lol

[always ~Intense Marathon~]

1. I'm not sure if it's not a bit confusing that these slightly overlap like your 1/4 00:40:785 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - consider spacing them ever so slightly apart. Seems like you could just scale the whole pattern if that helps I tested it. This repeats so maybe apply it all the time. Except for here 03:19:935 (7,8) - here it's 100% fine Since I decreased the spacing on the 1/4s as you suggested, they no longer look alike, so I think this point was fixed by that already.
   
   "I would consider making your spacing into 1/4 a bit smaller as 1/4 itself is slightly more straining than 1/2 *example* 00:17:231 (2,3) - "
   
   was what I said, not 1/4 spacing itself. Visual difference between different rhythms should be more important to a degree I just wanted to point out that jumps into 1/4 from 1/2 or slower are usually more straining... out of 1/4 into slower rhythm is not as straining btw.
   
2. If I'm not mistake this is the first 1/1 stack... or stack at all in the map so far 00:50:652 (6,1) - I think that's a bit inconsistent and kinda break expectations about your spacing concept a lot imo. It seems to be the only stack in a very long time so consider just spacing it out like the other 1/1 jumps I'll definitely think about this one some more, but I had wanted it stacked to further emphasize just how drastically calm the song has become compared to the start.
   
   I think since you already have a concept which makes 1/1 and 1/2 visually "similar" that you only need to either introduce it earlier or have a more easily identifiable logic to them. I'm fine with your decision, but making my priorities clear seemed like a good idea

gl with the set thank you so much c:

Celektus wrote:

I re replied cause I like to clear up possible misconceptions or make my intentions clearer. thank you, I really appreciate when modders such as yourself do that /w\

Celektus wrote:

[Overall]

1. The new standard for BG size is 1920x1080px so you might wanna get some more high res pictures or up scale your current ones. [color=blue]Tbh i'm so close to the filesize limit I may not be able to do this ovo; i'll try
   edit: nope... oh well, it doesn't make too big off a visual difference anywaayys.. ;_;[/color]
   
   compress the picture lol
   
   I'll try again >_<

[always ~Intense Marathon~]

1. I'm not sure if it's not a bit confusing that these slightly overlap like your 1/4 00:40:785 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - consider spacing them ever so slightly apart. Seems like you could just scale the whole pattern if that helps I tested it. This repeats so maybe apply it all the time. Except for here 03:19:935 (7,8) - here it's 100% fine Since I decreased the spacing on the 1/4s as you suggested, they no longer look alike, so I think this point was fixed by that already.
   
   [color=#8000FF]"I would consider making your spacing into 1/4 a bit smaller as 1/4 itself is slightly more straining than 1/2 *example* 00:17:231 (2,3) - "
   
   was what I said, not 1/4 spacing itself. Visual difference between different rhythms should be more important to a degree I just wanted to point out that jumps into 1/4 from 1/2 or slower are usually more straining... out of 1/4 into slower rhythm is not as straining btw.[/color]
   
   [color=blue]oh snap i completely misread somehow and thought the timestamp was for comparing the easier 1/2 to the right-after 1/4 spacing I'm dumb thank you for clarification. Though, I still do think decreasing the spacing in the 1/4 itself that I ended up doing made it a whole lot less strenuous and helped to address both problems. This is something I'll definitely keep in mind for the future o:
   [/color]
2. If I'm not mistake this is the first 1/1 stack... or stack at all in the map so far 00:50:652 (6,1) - I think that's a bit inconsistent and kinda break expectations about your spacing concept a lot imo. It seems to be the only stack in a very long time so consider just spacing it out like the other 1/1 jumps I'll definitely think about this one some more, but I had wanted it stacked to further emphasize just how drastically calm the song has become compared to the start.
   
   I think since you already have a concept which makes 1/1 and 1/2 visually "similar" that you only need to either introduce it earlier or have a more easily identifiable logic to them. I'm fine with your decision, but making my priorities clear seemed like a good idea
   
   >:o I see. Changed these accordingly

gl with the set thank you so much c:

1. consider to add silent sliderslide as calm parts became noisy from default soft sliderslide on 05:45:280 -
2. what is this doesn't exist.jpg lol

1. 01:18:663 (1) - I aware that it's mapped by high pitch vocals but skipping a strong cymbals on 01:18:981 - isn't sounds good imo, maybe try to split the rhythm into 3 than sliding them down everything like this?
   
2. 02:28:053 (2) - isn't should be 3 circles? Since you did in 01:47:310 (1,2,3) - so this wouldn't hurt the diff
3. 04:12:774 (7) - maybe can add NC here safely as it's 3rd measure already
4. 02:29:644 (1,1) - vs. 04:21:687 (1,1) - maybe same ds would better here

1. 01:18:663 (1) - consider to trim this to 1/1 slider instead as you're skipping strong cymbals on 01:18:981 -
2. 03:10:546 (4,5,6) - try circular flow instead of squares to gives more emphasis on the next cymbals 03:11:024 (1) -
3. 04:32:191 (5) - just a minor thing but move this to 370|232 for equilateral square
4. 05:10:069 (7) - i would unstack this for the sake of cymbals intensity
5. 06:05:068 - 06:10:387 - you can place somewhat similar with 06:15:280 (1) - (but slower ofc)

Akitoshi wrote:

General

1. consider to add silent sliderslide as calm parts became noisy from default soft sliderslide on 05:45:280 - I'll consider/try to do so! (probably after arphimigon applies things for his diff so i can just fix the hitsounds on both for this suggestion at once)
2. what is this doesn't exist.jpg lol Yellow square of magical properties c:...

always ~Intense Marathon~

1. 01:18:663 (1) - consider to trim this to 1/1 slider instead as you're skipping strong cymbals on 01:18:981 - I agree it's pretty awkward to skip but ending it early and breaking the slider/vocal pattern is pretty awkward too so I'm just ;;
2. 03:10:546 (4,5,6) - try circular flow instead of squares to gives more emphasis on the next cymbals 03:11:024 (1) - mm, I couldn't figure out a good way to make it really circular per say but instead tried to figure out a different way to change it.
3. 04:32:191 (5) - just a minor thing but move this to 370|232 for equilateral square o:! thanks for the exact coordinates, fixed~
4. 05:10:069 (7) - i would unstack this for the sake of cymbals intensity moved it under 05:09:432 (5) - so that there's still a visual stack but with the added movement for cymbal intensity!
5. 06:05:068 - 06:10:387 - you can place somewhat similar with 06:15:280 (1) - (but slower ofc) !!! good idea, added similar sliders to each of the gunshots in this section

well mapped, i can't find anything orz I'm taking this as an ultra good thing \o/~
goodluck~ thanks!

Neoskylove wrote:

! !

Q hallo

[always intense marathon]
00:13:888 (1,2) - I suggest you making simillar slider. changed 1 to be the same shape as 2~
00:28:053 (1,2,3) - and this can be triangle pattern I'm not sure how o_o;
00:31:076 (2,3,5) - overlap looks not so good in my opinion it fits into the map overall pretty swell
01:17:708 - where is beat gone
03:10:546 (4,5,6,1) - how about set square? changed a different way so it doesn't look like a broken square now
06:36:344 (1,2) - weird stack? I agree but also think it starts the drastically different new section pretty well.
GL TY

Celektus wrote:

[always ~Arphi's Hard~]

1. I'm a bit concerned with how you handle stacks when referring to this Guideline

   osu! Ranking Criteria wrote:

   1. Avoid visually similar 1/2 and 1/1 spacing. Spacing variation through jumps on points of emphasis are encouraged, but only if these jumps are recognizably different from 1/1 gaps.

   as you 1/1 spacing later on 00:49:379 (2,3,4) - is really similar to your 1/2 spacing 00:13:411 (2,3,4) - since you either stack or space out 1/2 it might be a bit harder for players of this level to read different rhythms. I would say it's kinda fine as your rhythms is overall a bit more diverse in the song and you seem to be consistent about how you handle them, but maybe you wanna make the 1/2 stacks still look different from the 1/1 stacks.
   
   Yes uh, I went ahead and changed the difficulty name to clear this up but this isn't meant to be a hard, it may seem like a normal, hard or even insane at times, it is simply a map with incorporates my feelings and not designed towards a specific playerbase of that sort. Sorry for that confusion!
2. I think you should map this Snare here 00:18:663 - since you until now mapped every single one. I didn't even REALISE that snare existed,
   I've been focussed on another instrument this entire time. I can't simply add this in, it'd be too many clicks in a row, if I were to implement I'd need to think more about how to fit it in.
   
3. In my opinion you should map the Kick here with a slider end 00:53:517 - since you skip it right now I don't really get why. This repeats like here 01:13:888 - sometimes in other patterns 01:16:435 - pls find alternatives which make them mapped as it also seems really weird with how strong your Hitsounds emphasize them.
   Oh I didn't hitsound this so of course it wouldn't seem right WILL NEED TO DISCUSS WITH MASTER NOFFY
   
4. why do you end the Break Time here earlier? 00:46:992 - might be a mistake so I'll just point it out, if it's not then it should be fine tbh. It should've been slightly later, would've made sense if I ended it at THE RIGHT TIME
   

5. osu! Ranking Criteria wrote:

   1. Reverse arrows on sliders must not be completely visually obstructed by other hit objects with the default or beatmap-specific skin. Covering up reverse arrows on sliders can result in sliders being ambiguous to read.

   01:21:368 (1,3) - 03:42:535 (3,5) - I don't see the problem even with that statement, you're playing it too safe yo!
   
6. I don't think it's a good idea to use extended sliders 7 mins into the song especially since there weren't even any 1/4 rhythms at all 06:58:046 (4,6) - If you plan on actually adding more of them in the entire map, make the ends 5% volume... but tbh please just make them not extended.

It's a completely different song with it's own 2 min buildup, the start of which had very long sliders, and the sounds at the end are important so 5% would sound off

Akitoshi wrote:

General

1. consider to add silent sliderslide as calm parts became noisy from default soft sliderslide on 05:45:280 -
2. what is this doesn't exist.jpg lol

always ~Arphi's Hard~

1. 01:18:663 (1) - I aware that it's mapped by high pitch vocals but skipping a strong cymbals on 01:18:981 - isn't sounds good imo, maybe try to split the rhythm into 3 than sliding them down everything like this?
   
   Tooooo manyyyyyy HITSSSSSSSS
2. 02:28:053 (2) - isn't should be 3 circles? Since you did in 01:47:310 (1,2,3) - so this wouldn't hurt the diff CORRECTO AND DONE
3. 04:12:774 (7) - maybe can add NC here safely as it's 3rd measure already I really like how the same colour makes this entire pattern stand out and seem like it is a special one, which it should do to me
4. 02:29:644 (1,1) - vs. 04:21:687 (1,1) - maybe same ds would better here Good point, I think that was actually a bug on my end or a derp THANK

Arphimigon wrote:

Celektus wrote:

[always ~Arphi's Hard~]

1. I don't think it's a good idea to use extended sliders 7 mins into the song especially since there weren't even any 1/4 rhythms at all 06:58:046 (4,6) - If you plan on actually adding more of them in the entire map, make the ends 5% volume... but tbh please just make them not extended.

It's a completely different song with it's own 2 min buildup, the start of which had very long sliders, and the sounds at the end are important so 5% would sound off

even if it's a different song it's still the same map and you can definitely map it without those. It's just Inconsistent and a unnecessary difficulty spike. Most multi song marathons would get criticised for that as players just don't expect a change like this after 7 minutes.

LwL wrote:

Hi from my q hihi

always ~Intense Marathon~

1. 01:02:111 (4,5) - I think making (4) a repeat slider and (5) a regular 1/2 slider would fit better with the loud perc sound on 01:03:066 changed a bit in a different wayyo
   
2. 01:30:599 (5,6) - make these sliders? As it is it creates a pretty confusing rhythm since the vocals you're mapping are on different ticks than the drums, and said drums are pretty loud.
   
3. 01:35:692 (5,6) - ^ I agree that skipping over the drums is pretty odd, and I had tried using 1/2 sliders for these two bits previously. However, it felt overcrowded for how relatively slow the song here is. >:
   
4. 01:48:424 - related, there are vocals here and previously you've prioritized them, so make 01:48:265 (5) - a slider in order to not suddenly ignore them? oh snap, i didn't notice since 01:47:947 (4,5) - is a transition between na- and i- syllables and orz. changed as suggested.
   
   couldn't find anything else, GL~ thankyaa~

Yahuri wrote:

from my q haai

always ~Intense Marathon~
00:15:958 (3,4,5) - this doesnt appear to be a straight line to me, would look better if it did imo fixeds
00:55:108 (3,4,5) - ^ ended up changing this area significantly when applying a later point
01:09:432 (2,3,4) - fixed
00:25:983 (2,3) - fix blanket hopefully is more snuggly now
00:31:554 (3,5) - dont like this overlap, you can stack 5 on 2 instead oh hey this is a great idea as it still has the feeling and look I wanted. changed as suggested!
00:53:676 (6) - i dont hear anything here, delete this circle I hear a vocal here, similar to 01:14:047 (6) -
01:16:116 (5,6) - nearly 90 degree flow change looks weird looks weird but I think it feels great (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و
00:55:745 (5,6) - would look better if you move 6 so that the head and tail of 6 are the same distance away from the tail of 5 changed to be like 00:57:018 (1,2) - and then some.
01:22:801 (4,5,6,7) - why back and forth pattern here? one of the general concepts of these early sections is the objects taking up very little space. This is to go with how the song is fairly "empty" at this part. Hence, a lot of sliderhead stacks or patterns that go around inside of themselves. Hence, this idea is taken to its extreme, the back and forth, just before the section does the build up into the next one.

finish later i gtg xd ok i'll just edit my post when you do or somethin' o/. thanks so far!

Mazziv wrote:

hi arphi
[7 Minutes of Arphi]
arphi is gay I can see all
00:10:228 (1) - nc or rape That makes no sense USE YOUR EYES BAKA jk no hate
03:42:535 (3,5) - stack u nugget And a DONE
06:00:599 (1,6) - stack or delet this they ARE
06:52:302 (2,4) - arphi pls LOL

Mazziv wrote:

[7 Minutes of Noffy]
^ i like this diffname
arphi still gay
00:02:588 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this may look right in terms of spacing according to ds but visually it looks meh maybe you should make a pattern for spacing like stack notes that are 1/1 away and space notes that are only 1/2 jumps so the player gets a feeling for spacing and not space them all it looking right for this pattern was, honestly, an afterthought. It's based off of how it's supposed to feel. 1->2, then go back, 4->5, then go back. etc. I think having stacks like that would completely wreak havoc upon the feeling it is going for.
00:07:681 (1) - move this to x255 y119 to have a symmetryic pattern with 00:08:000 (2,3,4) - ? I tried to tidy up the current pattern in a different way, though this is a really cool design idea!
but again i suggest you a certain pattern for 1/1 spacing and 1/2 spacing. just making a bit bigger spacing for 1/2 than for 1/1 is imo not really emphaszing well
00:32:031 (4,1) - stack? ehh.. they're not really visible at the same time though.
i still dont know why putin is in this video it's part of a song series which involves vocaloids rin and len and their past lives in russia, with rin in her present life being a "putin otaku". Includes conspiracies, tragedy, and more!
00:53:835 (7) - move this a bit to the left to have a symmetric triangle? fixed it to look less like a failed triangle instead
00:54:472 (1,2,3,4) - this seems a bit off in comparise to the rest I'm not sure how you mean ><
01:15:161 (2,3,4,5,6) - not symmetric fixed I think
01:47:469 (2,3) - how are people able to tell this apart from any other jumps? the only thing that hints at it is the a bit smaller spacing which will be overseen easily due to everything is mostly equally spaced because it's preceded by the sliders speeding up significantly when the guitar grows in dissonance and the song in intensity.
01:56:222 (3,4,5) - why dont rotate slider 4 and 5 by 120/240 degree and integrate some patterns? fixed to be more like 01:51:130 (5,6,1) - like it was originally meant to be
02:02:907 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - why b-f ? please see my response to 01:22:801 (4,5,6,7) - on yahuri's mod
03:21:209 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - uhm okay? i know it seems messy when selected all at once but when i made the up-down ones an even cone it felt a bit less natural to play so
03:42:536 (1,2,3,4,5) - why dont c/p this pattern ? 03:43:809 - that's what I originally did before adjusting it a bit because I wanted the two to both head left between the first two notes, making the patterns feel more similar when played while still looking alike
04:00:997 (2,3,4,5) - not symmetric aa it looks symmetrical to me, tried to fix a bit. i'm not sure if i succeeded.
04:02:589 (3,4,5,6) - same here same as above >< final resultu
04:44:922 (6,2) - stack? no, they're part of two seperate patterns and not really seen at the same time. ( 04:45:878 (2,3) - ended up fixing this blanket tho
05:56:770 - make this a 1/1 reverse slider so you emphasize the vocals better will keep in consideration, but it's currently done this way to emphasize the sfx. just like 05:59:323 (1) - , 06:01:876 (1) - .
06:03:578 (2,3,4,5,1) - symmetry pls adjusted (3,4,5) some
07:17:195 - a spinner would be fitting here to emphasiz the fadeout. I don't like using spinners for fadeouts, I personally think they should be reserved for WHOAH, INTENSITIYYY because I think that is when they are most exciting and rewarding to play.


this diff lacks in structure and patterns,it felt like you led the ds function tell you how to map certain stuff. What were your thoughts while mapping the kiai? Does it standout in comparise to the other parts? You used big spacing like everywhere else. Maybe you should cut the idea of having very big spacing and choose a bit harder rhythms instead. anyway good luck with the set!

why are your closing comments set to be a black color when the forums are already black text by default wha hahah

Thank you for your feedback! To respond to the rest...
The only place I could agree with lacking in structure and patterns would be the first few sections after the first break, I fucked up and have been trying to fix it orz. My thoughts when mapping the kiai was to take advantage of the constant spacing and contrast that with different patterns that grow visually close/far apart. Yes, I think it stands out a lot. It's true I used big spacing like everywhere else, but due to the increased sv, said big spacing is bigger than ever. I think it works pretty well with how intense the song gets here. I can't imagine where I'd make rhythms harder, they already follow the song fairly accurately, only way I could imagine is adding MOR CIRCLES.

Noffy wrote:

MOR CIRCLES.

Yahuri wrote:

part 2 no kds kk~

always ~Intense Marathon~
01:28:530 (1,2,3,4,1) - dont like how this stream flows into 1 because it goes immediately backwards and then 1 flows in the original direction of the stream
01:29:008 (4,1) - or u could just fix the blanket here if u dont wanna fix ^ since it's the first spacing change where it's part of constant 1/2 i wanted it to be harsh in more ways than one, as having the slider straight out of the direction of the stream with the different spacing felt odd. + slider blanket won't be fixed, it's meant to be a bit ugly to fit with how like, grating the string sound is there. pe-owwww
01:31:077 - could map the snare here by making this 01:30:917 (6) - 1/2 slider or something the section is really, so relatively calm that having it filled up with 1/2 sliders or such feels really wrong, and like it's too much. 02:09:909 - this section on the other hand adds some more of exactly this in, as it leads into the chorus and is the second repetition so it can build on itself a bit, I think. ye.
01:46:992 (1,2,3,4,5) - theres plenty of 1/2 kickdrums you can map here to fill in the gaps :O ^
01:53:676 (4,5) - visual spacing is pretty close, u can space these out nnnn, spaced a bit more. i think. probably.
02:21:687 (5,6) - could change this into circle + 1/2 slider to emphasize vocals fixed to be like 02:15:003 (1) - this combo instead.
02:46:673 (4,1,2,3) - since this pattern is pretty much symmetrical u could change the angle of 3 so that it points directly at 1 yeah that's what I was trying//failed to do. fixed!
03:07:045 (4,1,2,3) - ^ also changed!
02:47:469 (3,4) - would look better if the sliders were horizontal flips of each other imo ok o:, done
03:01:474 (2,1,2) - considering the visual spacing of the rest of the kiai this looks too close figured out a way to increase visual spacing here \o/
03:02:747 (4) - better if u put the NC here instead of here 03:01:952 (1) imo to emphasize the cymbal crash
04:54:789 (4) - ^ while these worked fine in their isolated instances, when i tried to go through and add NCs to other similar finishes, it hecked combo lengths up quite a lot. and since the finishes aren't present as often as ncs would be, basing it off of that doesn't really work either. aa
03:42:536 (1,2,3,4,5) - pattern looks like its placed randomly, try something with polygons well, considering the map overall, polygons would be least appropriate here since having set shapes feels kind of stiff? and wouldn't be as great for a more calm/relaxed part.
03:43:809 (1,2,3,4,5) - copypaste+rotate/flip of the above pattern would work well I've adjusted this now to where (2,3,4) follow the same curve as the ones in the previous combo again.
03:54:313 (1,3,4,5,6,1) - could use hexgrid pattern here er, i've heard of but no idea how to actually.. make such a thing..
04:07:841 (4,5,2) - iffy overlap I tried to come up with a way to get rid of it and still have the "coming out of the middle" that was intended but , alas, no such solution was found...
04:08:636 (2,3) - make 3 a straight slider angled the same way as 2 for better aesthetics changed a different way cause I have no angled straight sliders so long in this section so that also looked odd aa
05:07:522 (6,7,8,9,1) - flow would be better if u vertically flipped 1 imo, but if u want to keep the flow leading out of 1 u should probably flip the rest of the combo too 05:08:159 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) but like i just had 3 1/1 sliders in that same direction and having a fourth would be geehh and it's so flat that it doesn't effect the flow too much coming out of 05:08:000 (9) - so no change ><
05:11:978 (3) - there isnt any snare here, remove clap changed to normal clap
05:21:846 (1) - cute ~hearts are best~
05:47:833 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - would be cool if u made the center of this pattern on the y-axis the symmetry in this song is centered slightly to the left as it has a really dramatic contrast right down the "middle" in the video. Putting them in the grid's center would look off in-game with video on >< see
05:57:195 (2,1) - fix blanket w h e r e ? oh shoot nevermind i was looking at the wrong two objects o h adjusted and fixed a bit.
06:47:195 (5,8) - ^ no change, it's currently curved the same as many of the 1/1 sliders in this section with its ends being the same distancce from (5) to still give off the blanketed effect
07:04:217 (4,4) - fix stack fixed!

good luck! big thanks, was a big help!! ^^
777 posts for 7 minute marathon xd hi i'm gonna save this to my images under records this is a good, congradulation on the god # of posts!

1. Okay, this may sound rude but believe me I'm not xD I have a main concern for this diff...
   You consistently used the spacing correctly, and when you changed it, it was in a consistent way, which is perfectly fine!
   The problem is that the majority of pattern you used really feel disorganized, without a structure... here are some examples
   01:34:260 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Let's break this down:
   First, you have a slider, which is not symmetrical, and looks a bit messy. The slidertail points to the right, so the player expects to move to the right! Instead you placed the following note directly under the slider, so there's a weird 90° angle in the flow, which doesn't play smooth
   After this, see 01:34:896 (2,3,5) - These notes may constitute a triangle, but that's not perfect, so it doesn't look perfect and this has negative impact on the map's visual aspect. 01:35:692 (5,6,7) - The same happens here. If these two triangles were equilateral, this pattern would improve a lot! Also, there's this weird stack between 01:34:896 (2,6) - these two notes, which looks weird, even if it's not completely noticeable during playmode (the blanket between the note and the slider looks good by the way)
   Another example:
   01:36:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Here the first notes are arranged in... I can't tell. Maybe you wanted to create two triangles? But they don't look really good, so it's hard to understand. Maybe I was wrong and you just put these notes randomly? That's not so good either, since the pattern lacks of structure! You could for example create a hexagon here, or just 2 triangles, or whatever, it should just look more regular
   Also, the following slider (7) is placed under a note, but the stack is not perfect and this is pretty noticeable during playmode. Plus, you could have made a blanket between the note 6 and this slider, it would have made this pattern much better
   This is my main concern about this diff... I don't really want to point out all the patterns that look disorganized, or it would pretty much take a looong time. I think these 2 examples I pointed out can help you understand which patterns should be changed in a more visually appealing way... If you need help just catch me in-game by the way. My english sucks... I hope I was clear enough ;_;
2. Another weirdness is this:
   05:45:280 - From here on
   First of all, the patterns you used in this final part look much better, so I think there's no need to change anything really. Also, the HS are awesome, great job
   Okay so, maybe I'm just drunk, but there are a lot of patterns which are symmetrical, but they are not symmetrical to the center of the grid!
   The first three patterns are the perfect example:
   
   See notes 2 and 4 in particular

   
   What happened here? I feel like all these pattern are supposed to be a little bit more to the right of the grid, such that they are symmetrical to the center. Did you made them this way intentionally? I'm quite confused to be honest, I need some explaination!
   
3. These are my main concerns about this diff... By the way here are some more suggestions
   
4. 00:42:058 (1) - This slider really feels out of place imo! You only put circles here, just one slider here is... weird idk how to explain
5. 03:11:024 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I really feel like the volume should gradually decrease in these patterns, would be much cooler
6. 04:26:939 (5,6) - 1.4x spacing then 1.5x?
7. 07:07:408 - If I were you I'd remove this slider with the red line and use a normal curved one instead. This is because you used curved sliders the whole map, and I feel like there's no reason for such a change here Same applies to the following ones

1. 00:18:663 - Quite a strong drum here, maybe you should put some objects here?
2. 00:42:058 (3) - NC here to emphasize the change in intensity? Or maybe you could afford to raise the spacing or the SV just a tiny bit?
3. 03:16:116 - Start the break here?
4. 05:59:323 (1) - This is amazing, really, but... The diff has nothing more dense than 1/2, so this really feels out of place. Plus, newbie players will 100% break their combo here, since this is so unexpected. Something like 06:00:174 would work here as well imo. Same goes for the following one as well
5. 06:05:068 (1) - This should be round, for consistency with the other sliders, which are round as well
6. Nice diff ^^

RikiH_ wrote:

always ~Arphi's Marathon~

1. 00:18:663 - Quite a strong drum here, maybe you should put some objects here? I don't really feel like calling attention to the drums since I'm not actually following them here and NEVER NOTICED THIS DRUM
2. 00:42:058 (3) - NC here to emphasize the change in intensity? Or maybe you could afford to raise the spacing or the SV just a tiny bit? NCd
3. 05:59:323 (1) - This is amazing, really, but... The diff has nothing more dense than 1/2, so this really feels out of place. This isn't meant for new players :thinking: it's just meant to be a standalone whateverdifficulty map
4. 06:05:068 (1) - This should be round, for consistency with the other sliders, which are round as well AGREED and CHANGED

RikiH_ wrote:

herro! m4m here
Sorry, I'm 24 hours later :/ I suck Hey there, it's all good o/

always ~Intense Marathon~

1. Okay, this may sound rude but believe me I'm not xD I have a main concern for this diff... it's fine! I appreciate the honesty and that you specify it so well/suggest a way to change it
   You consistently used the spacing correctly, and when you changed it, it was in a consistent way, which is perfectly fine!
   The problem is that the majority of pattern you used really feel disorganized, without a structure... here are some examples
   01:34:260 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Let's break this down:
   First, you have a slider, which is not symmetrical, and looks a bit messy. The slidertail points to the right, so the player expects to move to the right! Instead you placed the following note directly under the slider, so there's a weird 90° angle in the flow, which doesn't play smooth I have some set rules for these sliders, they're like, all nearly identical. The terrifying wave shape, awkard feeling going in and out for most, all to emphasize what i find to be a really dissonant and kind of grating pe-oww in the guitar.
   After this, see 01:34:896 (2,3,5) - These notes may constitute a triangle, but that's not perfect, so it doesn't look perfect and this has negative impact on the map's visual aspect. 01:35:692 (5,6,7) - The same happens here. If these two triangles were equilateral, this pattern would improve a lot! Also, there's this weird stack between 01:34:896 (2,6) - these two notes, which looks weird, even if it's not completely noticeable during playmode (the blanket between the note and the slider looks good by the way) for this specifically, fixed one to be the triangle it was meant to be and made the second look less like a bad triangle. I went through and changed a couple of other patterns for cleanerness, but I may not be as aware of them as someone else as I generally think it looks fine for what the map is meant to look like... so aa. there's probably still quite a lot ><
   Another example:
   01:36:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Here the first notes are arranged in... I can't tell. Maybe you wanted to create two triangles? But they don't look really good, so it's hard to understand. Maybe I was wrong and you just put these notes randomly? That's not so good either, since the pattern lacks of structure! You could for example create a hexagon here, or just 2 triangles, or whatever, it should just look more regular
   Also, the following slider (7) is placed under a note, but the stack is not perfect and this is pretty noticeable during playmode. Plus, you could have made a blanket between the note 6 and this slider, it would have made this pattern much better I placed these objects in this way so that if one plays with more cursor dancing, which I assume players will as this part of the song is so relatively slow, it could go like so: badabiboopboop , with the loops growing tighter as the vocals get more strained. Even if played straight back and forth I feel this still works. fixed the 01:37:761 (4,7) - overlap though
   This is my main concern about this diff... I don't really want to point out all the patterns that look disorganized, or it would pretty much take a looong time. I think these 2 examples I pointed out can help you understand which patterns should be changed in a more visually appealing way... If you need help just catch me in-game by the way. My english sucks... I hope I was clear enough ;_; Yeah, your english is fantastically fine, I'll try to catch you in game sometime soon >o</
2. Another weirdness is this:
   05:45:280 - From here on
   First of all, the patterns you used in this final part look much better, so I think there's no need to change anything really. Also, the HS are awesome, great job time to debate if you're biased towards liking my hitsounds because of the bell (;
   Okay so, maybe I'm just drunk, but there are a lot of patterns which are symmetrical, but they are not symmetrical to the center of the grid!
   The first three patterns are the perfect example:
   
   See notes 2 and 4 in particular

   
   What happened here? I feel like all these pattern are supposed to be a little bit more to the right of the grid, such that they are symmetrical to the center. Did you made them this way intentionally? I'm quite confused to be honest, I need some explaination!
   
   The symmetry is shifted to the left due to the video. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8782402 . If I were to place them on the y-axis, they would appear visually off in-game due to how the video appears to be divided right down the center. making everything around a slightly shifted axis was painful because I couldn't just ctrl+h everything but it's worth it. I'm using x:245 as the center. If there's anything off from that, or if you think that coordinate isn't quite right on the video's center, let me know!
   
3. These are my main concerns about this diff... By the way here are some more suggestions
   
4. 00:42:058 (1) - This slider really feels out of place imo! You only put circles here, just one slider here is... weird idk how to explain eep, well it's either this or two stacked circles which I think would be worse, as I want some way to emphasize the lack of a snare at 00:42:058 -
5. 03:11:024 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I really feel like the volume should gradually decrease in these patterns, would be much cooler oh, definitely! hecka cool! added~ this map has over 170 timing points now oh god
6. 04:26:939 (5,6) - 1.4x spacing then 1.5x? shoot fixed i am not sure how this happened
7. 07:07:408 - If I were you I'd remove this slider with the red line and use a normal curved one instead. This is because you used curved sliders the whole map, and I feel like there's no reason for such a change here Same applies to the following ones mm, but I think if I used just curved ones the whole time in this end bit, it'd get a bit visually repetitive :s. I also feel it fits with how the music fades out and there gets to be only the drums really audible, which are very harsh and fitting with lined sliders.

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That's it... I hope this helped a little bit, hope you the best with this set! Catch me in-game if you need help! thank you! it was definitely helpful O:!! I'll try to catch ya!

jack1817 wrote:

Hey, M4M from #modreqs Hello~ I'll be sure to return your mod as soon as I can >w<!

I can't mod in a very professional way, so don't blame me if they are rubbish :3 >:3c

[always ~Intense Marathon~]
AR can be 9, it makes it more fun when applying DT or HR I think the song is pretty chill and that 9 would be toofast :c

00:02:907 (2,3,4) - seems the rest of the first song doesnt really feature 1/2 triangles, maybe to make the whole map more neat, you can just make it like the others (very obtuse triangles) really? cause I mapped this introduction section a bit differently, quite a few subtle equilateral triangles make appearances here, so I think it's fairly fitting.

02:27:734 (1,2,3) - this jump, I think it is somehow need not to be that far, you can make 2 higher moved up somesome

05:08:000 (9,1) - for polishing issues, you can make it spaces the same with 02:09:751 (4,1) - because I know that in all the other patterns thats similar to this use 02:09:751 (4,1) - 's spacing it's the first such pattern in around three minutes, so I'd prefer to have its spacing relative to the section it's in, as that is what I think is more noticably consistent/inconsistent. no change.

03:11:024 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the hitsound can definitely be lower in volume than 36% because the song is really quiet. 28-32% can do I'll keep it in mind but I think the current volume pattern matches the song's volume pretty well,

04:37:602 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - NCs in this part seems random went through and fixed my ncs during the kiais, thanks!

05:45:280 (1) - for polishing issues, combo colours' style should be consistant with always ~Arphi's Marathon~, like using red combo colour for the funky drums there like in 06:00:174 (3) - Arphimigon and I had different ideas on how to do this part, I didn't really want his way for my map and vice versa. I think it's alright.

06:15:280 (1) - missed the custom hitsound not sure where, it's the same default drum whistle+clap I used for all of the gunshots o:

Good luck with the marathon! thank you!

a q p w wrote:

00:57:655 (4,5,1) - ds oops oops
01:51:766 (5) - missing NC? ya missing oop
02:28:689 (5,6) - most of the map is constant DS so perhaps you want to keep that idea here? It was actually non consistent DS because I couldnt fix the pattern to be consisntent DS BUT NOW IT IS WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
03:41:899 (2,3) - :thinking:
04:09:591 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - try breaking up this combo? e.g. inserting NC at somwhere like 04:12:774 (7) - I... I really like this as one combo colour ;-;

I ACCIDENTALLY OVERWROTE THE CONTENTS OF THIS POST SO I REWROTE THE REPLY AS BEST I COULD

squirrelpascals wrote:

8 m i n u t e s actually 7!

intense marathon

• 00:10:547 (2,3,4,5,6) - think you could show more structure by making 5,6 parallel or at a noticeable angle form 2,3,4 fixed parallel

• 00:16:753 (1) - Since your mapping to this bell instrument there, would recommend making it clickable rather than on a slider tail changed

• 00:28:053 (1,2,3) - see what youre going for with overlaps but the way these tails touch isnt appealing. try adjusting similar to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8979429 ended up fixing this while revising previous pattern

• 00:30:599 (1) - This aesthetic goesnt really fit in with the type of sliders youre using and easily looks un-symmetrical. would recommend recreating this shape with red points and softer sllider point curves recreated ultra symmetrical

• 00:39:192 (3,4,5,6) - same thing as 00:10:547 (2,3,4,5,6) - , it looks like you tried to make these parallel by hand rather than copy+pasting objects i forgot to change (3,4), when adjusting this 00:39:670 (5,6,7) - to be a properly straight line. fixed parallel

• 00:40:785 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I see the aesthetic youre going for here but atm it can be more recognizable, i would recommend an nc on 5 (so the player can recognice the 2 stream shapes from diff colors), making 1 through 8 more cohesive, or using a stream jump to make the curve of 5,6,7,8 more recognizable I see! added NCs

• 01:06:249 (1,2) - using one slider here and copy+paste then rotating here would show more structure than recreating this slider curve by hand these aren't meant to be the same curve, and the pattern of 01:06:886 (2,3,4) - this curve with (3) going directly under (1)'s head is not really achievable to make look nice if the two sliders were forced to be the same.

• 01:08:477 (7,1,2) - Dont see how slider 1 is structured with the hitobjects that surround it, would recommend removing that tail aesthetic of one so that flow from 7 to 2 is obvious. Same prob with 01:21:527 (1) - adjusted the slider some, kept the hook because i use that for every similar slider starting on a cymbal in this section.

• 01:18:981 - I understand how this slider is mapped to vocals, but mapping to drums previously makes skipping this cymbal feel very odd adjusted this to have a 3/4 slider and a 1/2 immediately after, after talking to you about this in irc a bit.

• 01:24:710 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - diamond aesthetic here is nice, but it feels awkward how 5 and 7 touch at 01:25:665 (5,6,7) - . I would recommend widening the diamond to allow more room for 7 in the pattern https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8979458 example widened a bit

• 01:29:167 (1) - 01:34:260 (1) - 01:39:352 (1) - 01:44:445 (1) - the unevenness of these wave sliders with just white points just looks lazy and ugly, in my brutal opinion. Would look better with a red point and careful aesthetics http://i.imgur.com/e2poand.png I agree, they're ugly. They're also exactly how I intended them to be. I can make pretty sliders, I swear, but I don't think this dissonant wham of the guitar is something that would be properly represented by a prettier slider.

• 01:46:037 (5) - would be better with ctrl+g imo because it would give a nicer angle and flow from 4 to the slider direction of 5 adjusted this pattern area to be vertically symmetrical rotated by, like , -11 degrees if I remember right

• 01:59:724 (6) - combo should start here instead of at 02:00:679 (1) - , this downbeat is very strong and should be prioritized over the start of a vocal phrase nc changed

• 02:06:408 (4,5,1) - same issue as 01:08:477 (7,1,2) - dont see how slider 1 correlates to object placement of 7 and 1 changed this and in the process made 02:02:270 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - all one bigger pattern.

• 02:09:910 (1) - 02:15:003 (1) - 02:20:095 (1) - 02:25:188 (1) - wave sliders again yes they're great

• 02:45:559 (1) - wouldd be better with ctrl+g, because the cursor is coming from the right so rotating up and clockwise would feel more comfortable that'd completely wreck how 1 leads into the following pattern though, and in my opinion this already plays fine.

kiai is better excecuted and pretty fun, right now going to focus on what needs more work oki doki~

• 03:31:395 (1,2,1,2,3) - the flow in this section is so jagged, in between 1 2 and 123 the player has to readjust their cursor to move correctly to hit these objects if that makes sense. It should feel more natural. Example https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8979489 This section is so SO slow that this "jaggedness" isn't really felt by a player that can handle this map in the first place. I think making everything straightforward when it's already slowed down so much would be extremely dull.

• 03:41:262 (5) - would recommend placing this above the sliderend for eimilar reasons listed above ^

• 03:42:536 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:43:809 (1,2,3,4,5) - these linear patterns feel so randomly done. Try to make whatever aesthetic/pattern you're making with these patterns simpler and more noticeable adjusted these some after discussing in irc

• 04:15:957 (4) - current placement again doesn't flow well and doesn't translate well from one circle to the next, seems to be a repetitive issue with slider placements tbh https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8979523 one possiblility For this , absolutely not, as the slider is continuing the repetitive up/down motion of this portion of the map.

• 04:30:917 (3) - would again be better with ctrl+g, same reason as last time would prefer to keep it similar to 02:37:920 (1,2,3) - as it currently is.

• 05:08:159 (1) - maybe a ctrl+j for this slider? since you use a sudden jump at 05:08:000 (9) - redirecting this curve might help

l o a d i n g n e x t s o n g yes~

• 05:50:387 (1,2,3) - 05:51:663 (5,6,7) - would like to see more structure behind how you plalced these doubles. They can be distance snapped but should look aesthetically cleaner next to the other circles More structured? o.o They're already symmetrical, and reuse the angle introduced the combo just before 05:47:833 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . Anything else I'd think would be relatively random in comparison.

• 06:32:089 - dont see why you used a gap here, it feels like there should be a note here since the music is continuous When the strings died out, I switched to following vocals again.

• 06:51:238 (9) - would recommedn spacing this away from 06:50:174 (6) - because to a player, ts subcontiously noticable that there was just space used on the edge of the slider so it feels kind of odd. (thats why the notes fade-out for so long in the editor). this is a pickier mod Fixed this by changing 06:51:238 (9,1,2,3,4,5) - this entire pattern after talking about ideas for fixing it in irc. Thanks!

fast ds maps like this are fun, and i think the fast parts were the best part about this map too. but the map as a whole needs work with structural and some flow issues.
I won't mod arphi's diff now because its pretty safely mapped, but ill tell you now there's some unrankable reverse arrow overlaps at 03:41:899 (2,3,4,5) - lol

if you have questions you can pm me did diddled and doned
good luck! thanks!

y a b r o k e t h e c o l o r h a x a g a i n ARPHIMIGON...

Arphimigon wrote:

What if... all posts are mistakes!?

Cinerex24 wrote:

always ~Arphi's Marathon~

1. Having both a 1/2 and 1/1 circle-slider intersect like at 01:07:363 (2,3) - and 01:10:069 (3,4) - makes the rhythm a little unclear, especially when playing with mods. Personally, I'm a fan of having the 1/2 note stick out a little at normal spacing. (also see: 01:50:811 (3,4) - 02:01:952 (1,2) - 02:16:594 (4,5) - 02:17:867 (2,3) - 02:21:687 (4,5) - 02:22:960 (2,3) - etc.) Coming from the perspective of a mapper who plays with reading-based mods (EZ and FL mostly) I have no problem with these kinda stacks
2. 04:00:997 (4,5,6,7) - consider bada bada sliders instead wot is a bada bada slider
3. 05:04:657 (5,6) - Could make into a slider. (05:14:843 (5,6) - ) Dont like the long random hold
4. 07:12:089 (1) - Could add a spinner after this note... me NO LIKE SPINNER esp RANDOM SPINNER >:C

Cinerex24 wrote:

Since I'm more experienced as a player than as a mapper, I'm going to approach this from the gameplay perspective first and then as a mapper. Hopefully, it gives you a little different insight. Also, I'm not as good at modding LOWER difficulties XD so, please forgive me if Arphi's marathon seems (just slightly) neglected. I just couldn't think of as much to say. Ok! that's all good by me \o/

always ~Intense Marathon~

1. 00:04:180 (7,8) - would be cool if these were symetrical I'm not sure if this timestamp is taking me to the right place as these objects aren't even close to visible at the same time to where symmetry would be beneficial ><
2. 00:40:785 (1,2,3,4) - These "streams" surprised me the first time I saw them. Spacing made me think they were faster than they actually were, but I like how your mapping reflected the change in sound too. *shrugs* Could make it jumpy (increase spacing instead) or just leave it, I got used to them. As long as the player can get used to them, then I think it's fine ^^. I considered jumpy, but I felt the closer spacing reflected how close the drums sound in time fairly well.
3. 00:43:331 (4) - If you were looking for a spot for a spinner, could replace the break here with one. Nah, I usually try to avoid spinners on calm fadeouts, since I feel they are better fit for BIG INTENSE MOMENTS.
4. 00:58:291 (3) - Follows the vocal line's sustained notes until this note, so maybe you could do a reverse slider here or something to continue the pattern... I think the finish is pretty big and important, and it'd be awkward to make it not clickable as I'd switch to following the drum at 00:59:246 - anyways.
5. 01:05:453 (6,7) - Since the drum line doesn't do this, it's kinda weird to add the vocal line's note at 6 into the pattern unless you turn 6 & 7 into a slider... or also see more below o.o I instead changed 5,6 to a slider. That way 7, which is a strong drum, remains clicked while addressing what you brought up.
6. 01:21:209 (7,8,1) - Haha, from your mod of my map, I know that you wouldn't like my way of handling the syncopation of the vocal line XD It really depends on the song, the map, and what you're trying to follow. The main reason for my critiques was that it sometimes felt like skipping over the more apparent parts of the song in favour of subtler ones. (getting rid of 8, starting 1 on the red tick and bending sharply on the white tick to capture the sound of the bass drum in the shape of the slider) since you told me to break up my sliders whenever I did that! xP But I still think it feels awkward having the vocal line's onset notated the same way that you notate the snare fills and hi-hats. Maybe if you presented it differently... like on top the next note or something... (but I suppose it's playable as is too...) Here too: 02:01:952 (6,7,1) - I changed these to sliders instead.
7. 01:27:575 (3,4,5) - ...hmmm... well, it's not the way you notated the snare fills during the intro, it's the way you mapped that guitar ditty. But maybe it fits because the section is more chill? (here too: 02:08:318 (4,5,6) - More like, I think it'd be ultra misleading to have the rare 1/2 circles so close together follow different spacing patterns.
8. 01:30:599 (5,6,7) - not sure why you didn't make these sliders cause well, the section is really calm. Having 1/2 sliders back to back doesn't really fit with that, imo.
9. 01:32:509 (4,5) - this double threw me off when playing... don't know if that stems from my hated of doubles though... Quite possible..
   01:33:782 (9) - mixed feelings about this note. maybe cool how it reflects the dramatic pause in the accompaniment, kinda wish it didn't leave the vocal line hanging. >.< But it sets up the whammy so nicely! Very mixed feelings. >-< same here when mapping it. #do it for the whammy
10. 01:34:260 (1) - Nice guitar whammy slider (and here too: 01:39:352 (1) - 01:44:445 (1) - 02:09:910 (1) - 02:15:003 (1) - etc.) I'm very glad someone appreciates these ! :>
11. 01:35:692 (5,6,7) - could make sliders to reflect the held notes, but it is a cool pattern. not changing for the reason mentioned above, but thanks >v<!
12. 01:40:785 (5) - don't think there's anything to map here! shh.. i'll make it a slider end
13. 01:46:992 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - cool buildup o no this made me realize one of the stacks was off so fixed it. also thanks! c:
14. 02:19:140 (6) - I like this emphasis of the high sustained vocal part--do keep! (though I'm curious why you chose not to map the chord change in the middle) Thanks! and well, it's like that cause it'd be odd to end it 1/1 earlier, or start it 1/1 later, since the vocal is continuously there.
15. 02:29:644 - why no map this sound? I had it to be a dramatic pause for where the guitar dropped off. Added a superslow slider to make this more interactive!
16. 02:30:281 (1) - REALLY like the momentum of this section thanks! C:
17. 02:32:509 (5) - I think a have a bias against covered notes. I usually do too, but I really feel like stacks work in these parts, since the 02:32:509 (5) - and similar aren't very strong.
18. 02:55:426 (5) - meh ^
19. 02:57:655 (4,5) - I like it here, though. excellent
20. 03:02:907 (5,6) - Nice symmetrical effect. it all comes 00:23:437 (2,3) - full circuru
21. 03:11:024 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Neat use of spacing to reflect the fade. I agre- er, ahem, I mean, thanks I'm glad it works ^^
22. 03:51:130 (4,5,6,7) - I kinda like it here due to the contrast with the fast vocal rhythms. DUDUDUDU
23. 04:05:772 (1,2,3) - This line is different because the guitar drops out. Maybe could change it up a little? that's already why it's pretty straight in direction, rather than mixing around. If there's another way I could change it up that you have in mind, let me know >o<
24. 04:18:504 (1,2,3,4,5) - Cool rhythmic shifting going on here! thanks, I had a hard time figuring out how to map it.. switching from 1/2 to 1/3 circles like I originally tried did not go well, so this is the result.
25. 04:47:468 (5) - Okay just hear me out... what if it like jumped back to the previous note or something? ^_^* I suppose the double does build toward the impact of the next note though :/ Yep, you've figured me out. No changeo
26. 05:12:615 (5,6) - This one is kinda hard to read for me, due to the localized syncopation pattern here. maybe make 3-4 or 4-5 a slider? I tried out a lot of things for this, but couldn't figure out a way I found better than the current one. I'll continue looking at it though and change it if I ever have a good idea
27. 05:21:846 (1) - pretty slider I actually drew it with the head and tail in the top middle.. Arphimigon had to fix it for me as the same shape but starting/ending at the bottom instead. So it's a collaborative effort C:!
28. 05:56:131 (2,3,4) - Whoa, song defies my expectations of rhythm.right?? it even continues with the base 1/1 instrumental behind the vocals too. extra mixed.
29. 05:57:833 (3,1) - Hehe. Agree to disagree? I dunno what we're disagreeing on here though o.o!
30. 06:00:174 (3) - I like how this slider is recurrent to represent this sound. (:!
31. 06:09:536 (1,2,3,4) - Think maybe having 2 spaced evenly between end of 1 and 3 might be more readable. Maybe could do something with the bass drum too in the middle of 3, if you wanted. I think that the rhythm emphasis is good though. I think this is currently a good setup, as it emphasizes that 06:09:855 (2,3) - is a bit of a double in the drum, whereas there's nothing similar at 06:09:748 - this time , so having them all spaced the same would take away from it.
32. 06:14:004 (3) - Sorta interesting sound in the middle of the slider that isn't mapped... but if you did then it would interfere with the symetrical slider thingy you were doing which was pretty cool too. yea, also cause this pattern is following the vocals ><
33. 06:32:302 (3) - MEGGSGHSSGJSSHD i guess. sound mostly stop = movement stop
34. 06:36:982 (2,3,4) - Oh, this is cool! s y m m e t r y! woo! thanks~

General Comments
--I like how the combo colors change between songs. thanks >w<~
--Not a fan of small CS, but that's just a personal issue. ok so the story goes like so: I used to use a laptop, made most things in cs 4. then, I got a desktop PC. A really nice big monitor. Now, visually, cs 4.5 is the same size as cs 4 used to be to me, so then I ended up with a preference for an average of 4.5.. yeaahhh.

kwk wrote:

from q~
[noffy]
-Don't you feel like the clap hitsounds are way too loud, i feel like all i hear are your claps while the song itself is like the background noise lol I already lowered them before too aaa D: ...
-00:18:026 strange for this to be skipped since i do think you are following the guitar here? not really? just the same part as the intro+drummos
-00:24:392 (4,5) - i think a slider here would be nice so you can emphasise the guitar drop or whatever your suppose to be called, same with the rest till here 00:33:146 Will keep it as in idea but I think the current way already emphasizes it well
-00:40:785 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - surprised to see this isnt spaced more, when comparing to the spacing in the intro contrast for the sudden constant 1/2s that sound like the drums really close in time so objects are close too and whee
-01:25:984 (6,7) - be nice if this was spaced more since you are predominantly following the vocals in this section m-muh ds
-01:48:583 (6) - make could consider shorting it to 3/4 and adding a note on the white tick? i think it would be a cool way to end it off hmm, if you have a recommended placement i'll do it, cause I can't figure out a cool way to do so without ruining the current vortex movement of 01:48:265 (5,6) - ><
-02:23:119 (3) - i think this would have been fine if your claps weren't so loud, but it definitely sounds strange when you skip over it here oh dang that's true , it's also inconsistent with 02:18:026 (3) - .. changed to a 1/2 slider and adjusted following pattern some
-02:45:082 (7) - 03:05:453 (7) - suprised this isnt a 4 point slider considering the similar sounds here 02:42:535 (5,6) - Yeah, I think those types of sliders look best in a group, it'd be weird as just the one.
-04:43:330 (2,1,3) - these arent equally spaced if your intending them to be,(3) is off by a bit oh snap! fixed, thanks greatly!
-05:05:612 (1) -05:15:798 (1) - split this into 2 sliders or a note+1/2 slider since that seems to be similar to what you did here 05:19:618 (5,6) - ? I can't really say they're the similar enough for that, since the example was preceded by the 1/2, and there is no clap at 05:20:254 - like there was at 05:16:435 - , hence the different times for sliders.
-06:19:748 (5,6) - shame that you decided to stick with the same rhythm as this 06:18:472 (1,2) - since the music is quite different at this point, though i guess you choose to ignore it in this section which im not sure i like i'd like to save the circles for 06:24:855 (4) - so it has more impact. additionally, i think the current placements help to emphasize how it's different by making it a bit more uncomfy to play than 06:18:472 (1,2) - was.
06:50:174 (6,8,9) - looks better if you move 06:51:025 (8,9) - so that 6 is in the center This is different from 06:39:961 (6,7,8) - because the sliders before and after are straight, not angled. I think by having it a bit open this second time around, the circular feeling is widened and fits in better with the pattern overall.

~ thankee !

• 06:36:344 - In my 3 kiai start only here
  07:13:365 - Checks SB,2 the inscriptions touch each other and can not be read well

• 00:15:321 (1) - Aesthetic option, in my curved slider looks better
  00:23:596 - hmm, i think this rhythm is better suited here 1 2
  00:35:692 (1) - ctrl+J?
  00:53:199 (1) - Make this slider shorter or make a bend on a white tick
  01:05:294 (4,5) - hmm. In the past you made a stack at 1/1 points, but here is a 1/2 moment and this knocks down the board, I think you need to remove the stack
  01:07:363 (2,3) - ^
  01:18:026 (3,1) - I think this blanket can be improved
  01:30:122 (2,3) - hard read
  01:32:191 (2) - do curve?
  01:47:151 - hmm add note?
  02:11:660 (5) - Make a fold on a white tick
  02:27:734 (1,2,3,4) - replace with two slider reverse and note?
  02:52:721 - there is a strong sound, I think it's worth adding a note
  03:41:581 (1,2) - ctrl+g it's rhythm is better
  03:46:673 (1,2) - ^
  06:04:855 (7,1) - very big space

1. No spinners found in a 7-minute long map? :'(

1. 00:41:899 (4,1) - Maybe you could increase the spacing between those two objects to accentuate the increase in intensity in the music?
2. 00:43:172 (3,4) - Same
3. 00:55:745 (5) - Since the beat at 00:56:063 - is much stronger than the vocals ending at 00:56:222 - , in my opinion it would be better not to focus completely on the vocals, but include this strong beat in the pattern as well (especially considering that you extensively follow the drums in your map). You would have a pattern like 00:53:199 (5,6,7) - where the first slider ends at 00:56:063 - and have a circle at 00:56:222 - .
   00:57:018 (1,2) - ^
4. 01:17:389 (1) - In this case it is fine to leave it as it is because it well emphasizes the vocals).
5. 01:18:981 (2) - I think you shouldn't stack this one with (1) as here you haves cymbals playing which suggests an accentuation (e.g. a higher spacing). Stacking them just make it anticlimactic.
6. 02:06:726 - Did you use a drum-sampleset clap here by accident or was it on purpose?
7. 05:21:846 (1) - cute
8. 05:59:323 - Hard got a hold 1/8 kick slider here. It could be a good idea to implement it here as well, don't you think?
9. 06:08:685 - ^

1. 00:18:663 - It feels kind of "empty" not to have anything at this moment because this is rather a strong beat and it is surrounded by weaker beats that you did map. In my opinion I believe it would feel more natural if you were to move 00:18:822 (3) - on that red tick.
2. 01:47:310 (1,2,3) - This stack goes under the health bar. You should consider fixing this to improve the legibility of those circles.
3. 06:41:450 (1) - The trail of this slider sliiiightly offscreen, and it shouldn't. Please move it a couple of grids upward.

makisokk wrote:

Oh dam, as long as I wrote a mod here wrote Naotoshi, as I understand my mod is not so important
Hello form my que helloo
maybe it's mod bad
[Genreal]

• 06:36:344 - In my 3 kiai start only here I think the current kiai set up is best fit, starting when the song lifts up with the strings.
  07:13:365 - Checks SB,2 the inscriptions touch each other and can not be read well they're set to pass/fail layers, and only one would be seen during gameplay based offof player performance.

Good luck with map tyty

Kurai wrote:

8-) ☀️☀️☀️

[General]

1. No spinners found in a 7-minute long map? :'( there wasn't really anywhere I felt one would fit besides 05:21:846 (1) - which is a cute slider shape instead )':

[always ~Intense Marathon~]

1. 00:41:899 (4,1) - Maybe you could increase the spacing between those two objects to accentuate the increase in intensity in the music? added small increase spacing here, especially since it nicely divides the two halves of the pattern c:
2. 00:43:172 (3,4) - Same I tried it, but I think it looks out of place to have it as just the one object off from the others that are evenly spaced.
3. 00:55:745 (5) - Since the beat at 00:56:063 - is much stronger than the vocals ending at 00:56:222 - , in my opinion it would be better not to focus completely on the vocals, but include this strong beat in the pattern as well (especially considering that you extensively follow the drums in your map). You would have a pattern like 00:53:199 (5,6,7) - where the first slider ends at 00:56:063 - and have a circle at 00:56:222 - . see v
   00:57:018 (1,2) - ^ For these, I'd prefer to keep them as their current extended sliders as in addition to following the vocals, I feel it helps create an additional calm, slowing down feeling prior to the 00:58:610 (1) - cymbal crash here.
4. 01:17:389 (1) - In this case it is fine to leave it as it is because it well emphasizes the vocals). c: !!
5. 01:18:981 (2) - I think you shouldn't stack this one with (1) as here you haves cymbals playing which suggests an accentuation (e.g. a higher spacing). Stacking them just make it anticlimactic. adjusted this to have some spacing, but not too much as it's the only 1/4 here and having at the regular 1.4 spacing would risk a player confusing it for the closer 1/2s
6. 02:06:726 - Did you use a drum-sampleset clap here by accident or was it on purpose? no.. it was an accident while trying to use the rotate tool ;w;.. fixed
7. 05:21:846 (1) - cute <3
8. 05:59:323 - Hard got a hold 1/8 kick slider here. It could be a good idea to implement it here as well, don't you think? mmm, I dont really think so, as in my difficulty there's not really a focus on the sound effects except for the gunshots, unlike arphimigon's which accentuates the majority of them, as visualized by his use of red combocolours.
9. 06:08:685 - ^ ^

Noffy wrote:

y a b r o k e t h e c o l o r h a x a g a i n ARPHIMIGON...

i'll fix it dw

a g a i n

Kurai wrote:

8-)