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VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-12-09T07:15:23+00:00

Enon

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Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Enon 2017-12-10T15:37:09+00:00

Lasse wrote:
02:59:781 (2,3,4) - etc these triples will be much nicer with proper hitsounding (read: claps on all ticks) if you use 1/2 claps with 1/4 rhythm is just becomes really weird (basically hitsound these similar to 01:45:243 (5,6) - etc) fixed

things like 01:28:282 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - still don't make any sense to me with what the song is doing, even if you try to tell me there is a "change in movement on 01:28:512 (5) - " which is not anything that will stand out in gameplay, as an experienced player you should know how streams like this play (one fluid motion)
maybe even something like https://i.imgur.com/VE2UGOx.jpg would work, right now you are representing 1/4 and 1/2 in the song both in the same way which is just really questionable Two 1/4 kick sliders feel weird a little for me I fixed the distance of 01:28:281 (1,2,3,4) - this stream instead.

01:32:205 (7,8,9,10,1) - this is just a very random feeling overmap since you never do it for similar spots in this part, so it feels just out of place I did it at 02:49:743 (4,5,6,7) - as well. and I could only hear the sounds at 01:32:204 - 01:32:262 - 01:32:320 - 01:32:377 -

01:39:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - "The music goes to the finale of a highlight, so I want to give a strong effect here." how does an insane level alt pattern give any strong effect in a map filled with spaced 260 streams The pattern is like preparing for the 260 long streams? I really think it is fine to keep.

"I still believe the vocals are supposed to be done as the streams."
just
what
no
how does this make any sense
this sentence alone makes me just feel like I'm wasting my time arguing here OK, I fixed it with VINXIS's help.

02:29:551 (4,1) - yea whatever, this is a minor point anyway

03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - ignores the really noticeable change in drums on 03:00:820 (3,4) - , some kind of expanding pattern for example would be much nicer I tried but I am not sure you would be satisfied with this change.

05:23:895 (4) - what, there isn't even a vocal on this, why would you make it consistent with the "vocal pattern" I can hear the sound "ah-----------" which is starting to exist from 05:23:665 - and it seems a bit abrupt to play if it starts there.

06:10:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - at least this actually follows the song now..

06:12:127 (3,4) - compare the sounds on both, 3 maps melody only on head, while 4 has it both, this one is also only a minor issue not related to the pop, but I still think something like https://i.imgur.com/91aXjfq.jpg would be better ok!

yea I still don't think this is in any way acceptable with how you put streams over held vocals with no 1/4 to support and overall unfitting and inconsistent overmaps. I'm not saying overmapping is bad in general, it can be nice if used well, but not the way you executed it.

I tried to fix those things you mentioned and I am thinking this is good for now!

[XV] wrote:
Checking the timing I see some minor issues especially on the slow parts. You should really change the mp3 and copy the timing from the set that got ranked last year in CtB. It even has timed the ending too. Because with your current timing parts like this 04:16:408 (1) - and this 04:18:906 (1) - are not properly timed.

I am not sure about it. because it uses same mp3 file with the mapset? I will contact to someone has knowledge of timing.

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Lasse 2017-12-10T15:54:50+00:00

well I still don't like the way some of the overmaps are utilized, but at least it makes a bit more sense than before

seems like this discussion will not lead to anything new at this point and I'm also tired of the whole thing so feel free to go ahead with this
though chance is high it will be popped again I think...

Dailycare

Beatmap Nominator

1,071 posts

Joined May 2012

Dailycare 2017-12-12T11:21:41+00:00

04:37:966 (1,2) - didn't change the spacing for making it same with the similar part

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Enon

2,690 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Enon 2017-12-13T15:37:23+00:00

Changelog:

Some overmaps have been resolved with Lasse and some mappers' suggestions.
Storyboard has been fixed according to changes of the map.

We have addressed about the overmap issues and made some changes.

As Lasse agreed to go ahead with this state, it seems we have made an agreement with him at least.

Then, we are ready to go with this now.

Rizia

3,114 posts

Joined January 2012

Rizia 2017-12-16T19:39:04+00:00

xd

04:18 Enon: Hello Rizia
04:18 Rizia: hello
04:20 Enon: Do you mind if I ask you to give me an opinion for some patterns being issue in my map?
04:20 Rizia: sure
04:20 Enon: Since it's really hard map
04:21 Enon: so I want to ask some play-experienced mapper
04:21 Enon: thanks!
04:21 *Enon is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/875945 Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>]
04:21 Enon: Which map is this
04:22 Enon: The issues are started from https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6387790 Lasse's mod
04:22 Enon: and I replied like https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6391296 and https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6396973
04:22 Enon: and it seems we made an agreement with Lasse
04:23 Enon: so I think it's fine to go
04:23 Enon: but
04:23 Enon: Garden worries if it might be bubble-popped again
04:23 Enon: so
04:23 Enon: before rebubbling
04:23 Enon: needs to gather some mappers' opinions
04:24 Rizia: 01:59:608 (8,1,2) - 
04:24 Rizia: nerf plz
04:24 Rizia: since its 260
04:25 Rizia: streams better have a smooth flow
04:25 Enon: humm
04:26 Enon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9780127
04:26 Enon: like this?
04:26 Rizia: its looks better
04:26 Rizia: xd
04:27 Enon: OK
04:29 Rizia: for me, i dont see any serious issue in the map now
04:30 Enon: thank you for checking!
04:30 Enon: if you don't mind
04:30 Enon: can you post it in the thread?
04:30 Enon: it would be appreciated!
04:32 Rizia: 01:32:262 (8) - 
04:32 Rizia: not too bad if deleted
04:33 Enon: humm
04:33 Enon: 01:32:204 - 01:32:262 - 01:32:320 - 01:32:377 - i mapped in a way to indicate the increasing pitch in melody
04:34 Rizia: oh
04:35 Rizia: actually fine
04:35 Rizia: its
04:35 Rizia: xd
04:35 Enon: XD
04:35 Rizia: yeah i think thats all for me
04:36 Enon: XD
04:36 Enon: good to hear
04:36 Rizia: good luck with your map~!
04:37 Enon: thank you for your time
04:37 Enon: :D

neonat

Beatmap Nominator

3,528 posts

Joined April 2012

neonat 2017-12-17T18:04:12+00:00

Quick Chat

2017-12-18 01:40 neonat: like uh
2017-12-18 01:41 neonat: 01:42:877 (6,8) - there is no music here
2017-12-18 01:43 neonat: 02:06:012 (4,5) - kinda underwhelming spacing when 02:06:127 (5) - is so strong
2017-12-18 01:44 neonat: it's weird to start the sliders on the red line 02:15:474 (4) - 02:15:474 (4) - 02:16:397 (4) - etc
2017-12-18 01:44 neonat: their strong part is the white line
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: about the part
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: lasse suggested me the rhythms
2017-12-18 01:46 Enon: like "why ignore the guitar switching to red ticks for such a bland rhythm? something like https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/gTwiGIL.jpg would make for a much more engaging rhythm "
2017-12-18 01:46 neonat: because the guitars hold at 02:15:358 (3) - then 02:16:281 (3,4) - is a double guitar sound
2017-12-18 01:46 neonat: while 02:16:512 - guitar starts here too
2017-12-18 01:47 Enon: https://puu.sh/yIqOJ/77a58db679.png
2017-12-18 01:47 Enon: how about these rhythms?
2017-12-18 01:47 neonat: the violin at 03:23:666 - is strong enough to not be slider end
2017-12-18 01:48 neonat: I think for 02:15:358 (3,4) - you can merge them all together into a slider
2017-12-18 01:48 neonat: 02:16:281 (3,4,5) - can be like those sliders you ss-ed
2017-12-18 01:49 Enon: that mean 02:15:358 (3,4) - for this is
2017-12-18 01:49 Enon: make 02:15:358 (3,4) - it to 1/1?
2017-12-18 01:49 neonat: yeh
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: 03:13:512 - 03:13:627 - 03:13:743 - 03:13:858 - you just left this blank
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: or at least dailycare did
2017-12-18 01:50 Enon: i did it as well
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: that violin part also daily's part
2017-12-18 01:50 Enon: 01:55:743 -
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: it's different
2017-12-18 01:51 neonat: your part doesn't have the same percussion
2017-12-18 01:51 Enon: ahh
2017-12-18 01:51 Enon: the red ticks?
2017-12-18 01:52 Enon: maybe
2017-12-18 01:52 Enon: he wanted to make it as similar as mine because its mood is really similar?
2017-12-18 01:52 neonat: not quite
2017-12-18 01:52 neonat: same mood
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: i didn't say it's same :O
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: just really similar
2017-12-18 01:54 neonat: still not quite lol
2017-12-18 01:54 neonat: the percussion is much more prevalent in daily's
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: 05:11:197 (1,2) - the stack pauses in the kiai differ, it's not really consistent
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: it's 6 beats here from the start of the phrase
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: it's after 12 at 05:19:504 (1) - 
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: ????????
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: what does mean of that number
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: hard to understand tbh
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: :(
2017-12-18 01:58 neonat: anyway that's what I have to say from seeing once through
2017-12-18 01:58 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:58 Enon: i need your explanation about the part you mentioned "phrase"
2017-12-18 01:59 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:59 neonat: it just means when a section of music begins
2017-12-18 01:59 neonat: but that's just a thought on that part
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: i will consider your suggestions
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: thank you for your time

Enon

2,690 posts

Joined November 2012

Topic Starter

Enon 2017-12-17T18:19:34+00:00

neonat wrote:
01:42:877 (6,8) - there is no music here deleted
02:06:012 (4,5) - kinda underwhelming spacing when 02:06:127 (5) - is so strong i think lower distance could emphasize the strong sound.
it's weird to start the sliders on the red line 02:15:474 (4) - 02:15:474 (4) - 02:16:397 (4) - etc because the guitars hold at 02:15:358 (3) - then 02:16:281 (3,4) - is a double guitar sound while 02:16:512 - guitar starts here too tried to fix it
02:15:358 (3,4) - you can merge them all together into a slider fixed
02:16:281 (3,4,5) - can be like those sliders you ss-ed fixed
05:11:197 (1,2) - the stack pauses in the kiai differ, it's not really consistent it's 6 beats here from the start of the phrase it's after 12 at 05:19:504 (1) - humm I really didn't understand your said though, I followed the rhythm from the similar part Dailycare has mapped 03:17:666 - ?

Thank you for the checking

Dailycare

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Dailycare 2017-12-26T14:47:30+00:00

for the S slider on 03:12:127 -
Actually I intended to give a similar experience of the previous part and I also think it isn't a bad choice. Though the drum gets stronger than the previous, the sampling sound is also strong enough. And 03:11:666 (3,4) - they can be a hint that there may be notes following a vocal at the next part.

Also fixed 03:23:204 (1,2,3,4) -

SPOILER

249,122,203089,1,0,0:0:0:0:
173,0,203204,6,0,P|165:46|162:92,1,93.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
327,194,203435,2,0,P|334:147|337:101,1,93.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
78,274,203666,2,0,P|159:213|264:257,1,187,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
297,307,204012,1,0,0:0:0:0:

ZekeyHache

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Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-12-27T08:26:18+00:00

hey I just came to say this map is pretty especially Enon's parts, sorry Dailycare
+5sp and added to favs!

Enon

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Topic Starter

Enon 2017-12-28T14:22:58+00:00

Thank you for the comment, ezek!

Updated Dailycare's part.

Regou

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Regou 2017-12-28T14:42:10+00:00

quick chat :3

SPOILER

22:24 Enon: Hey!
22:24 Regou: hi :3
22:25 Enon: Are you busy now?
22:25 Regou: not really
22:26 Enon: then can I ask you to give an opinion for some parts on my map if you don't mind it?
22:26 Regou: sure
22:26 Enon: I need player-based-mapper's opinion
22:26 Enon: thanks!
22:27 *Enon is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/875945 Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0> [Revolution]]
22:27 Enon: which map is this
22:27 Enon: one
22:27 Regou: omg 260 bpm
22:27 Enon: yeah
22:27 Enon: it might be too fast for everyone
22:27 Regou: i can't really play it properly ><
22:27 Regou: by the way which part would you want me to look at
22:29 Enon: 01:42:243 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - 01:58:281 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 03:16:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 05:09:004 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 06:22:273 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) -
22:29 Enon: etc
22:29 Enon: Parts are mentioned as "overmapping"
22:29 Enon: so I and dailycare did try to fix them and
22:29 Enon: now you can see the changes
22:30 Regou: 01:42:243 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - lol this one
22:30 Enon: with the changes, i want to see your opinions about it
22:30 Enon: lol
22:30 Enon: maybe
22:30 Regou: it's really hard to sense there's a 1/2 in the middle at first try
22:30 Regou: since it's 260bpm
22:30 Enon: i am going to fix the distance
22:30 Enon: yeayea
22:30 Enon: the part was mistake of me
22:30 Enon: :(
22:31 Enon: 01:42:877 - 01:42:993 -
22:31 Enon: ive removed out
22:31 Regou: i see
22:31 Enon: these
22:31 Enon: from original stream
22:31 Regou: 01:58:858 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is okay i think
22:31 Enon: so it might seems shit
22:31 Enon: lol
22:31 Regou: it follows the music well
22:31 Regou: you can hear they fall on the drum beat
22:31 Enon: that's good to hear
22:32 Regou: 03:16:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this could be controversal
22:32 Regou: 03:16:801 (2) - lands on nothing actually
22:32 Regou: but it will play much more smoothly if 03:16:801 (2) - is added
22:32 Regou: plays*
22:33 Regou: combining 03:16:743 (1,2,3) - into a 1/2 could be one of the option tho
22:36 Enon: humm
22:36 Enon: maybe you can post it this log on the thread then dailycare could consider about it?
22:36 Regou: sure
22:36 Enon: thanks!
22:36 Regou: im checking the last two btw
22:36 Enon: how about others ?
22:36 Enon: yes
22:37 Regou: 05:09:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - changing them into 1/4 sliders might be better since sound on (2) (4) (6) is extremely weak
22:38 Regou: 06:22:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - super cool do a overmapping at the end would like to see this being keeped tbh even tho it's obviously overmapped
22:39 Regou: i think that's all for me :3
22:40 Enon: depends on how dailycare changes it
22:40 Enon: it would be awesome
22:41 Regou: changing some of them into 1/4 sliders might be safer choice
22:41 Regou: i guess
22:41 Regou: anyway let's post this to the thread first

Dailycare

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Dailycare 2017-12-28T15:27:03+00:00

169,16,309812,6,0,L|237:24,1,46.75,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
263,124,309927,2,0,L|331:116,1,46.75,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
361,42,310043,2,0,L|429:50,1,46.75,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
495,106,310158,1,10,0:0:0:0:
495,106,310216,1,10,0:0:0:0:

05:09:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 지우고 복붙해주세요

thanks for the mod, and I'll keep 03:16:801 (2) - for now but find a better alternative talking to others

Enon

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Topic Starter

Enon 2017-12-28T16:01:42+00:00

Updated!

Garden

Nomination Assessment Team

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Garden 2017-12-31T01:06:41+00:00

rebubbled

Enon

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Topic Starter

Enon 2017-12-31T04:50:27+00:00

Thank you so much again!

milr_

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milr_ 2018-01-01T12:15:57+00:00

NICEEE

Natsu

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Joined September 2012

Natsu 2018-01-06T10:02:23+00:00

yo

general

combo color 1 and 2 are too similar, can you make them different pls

diff

01:28:281 (1,2,3,4) - I think it represents well the music
01:32:204 (7,8,9,10,1) - this one is ok for me, since there are some bg sounds and I think the stream represents it well
03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - every beat should have the same spacing, 1 and 2 being smaller than 3 and 4 doesn't makes much sense to me.
03:00:935 (4,1) - also this should be a jump considering how strong 1 is.
00:43:051 (4) - the tail is mapped to a stanza which sounds just wrong, it needs a click action try a circle or smth
01:02:666 (1) - remove the NC, this is still part of the previous melody, instead add one at 01:03:358 (2) - since there is a change in the music
01:44:666 (2,5) - stack is off
01:55:512 (2) - there is a hold sound in the music, pls map it as a long slider like the other ones
02:06:012 (4,5) - the change on the music is on 5, but ur pattern doesn't represent it well because of how small the spacing is xd
02:13:743 (1) - this nc doesn't follows anything, remove it and add one at 02:13:973 (3) - were the change in the music happens
02:28:281 (3,4) - eh the drums changes to every 1/2 beats, use 1/2 circles the sliders doesn't represent well this change in the music
02:36:935 (10,1) - similar as before, the spacing doesn't represent the music at all, this needs to have higher spacing than the rest
02:40:627 (8,1) - 02:40:627 (8,1) - same
02:45:820 (4) - shouldn't this be a NC as the before similar part?
03:00:935 (4,1) - 1 needs higher spacing to represent the song properly
04:18:892 (1,1) - the overlap looks super bad T-T
04:44:889 (5,6) - ignoring the 1/2 strong beats doesn't make any sense with the song
05:23:888 (4) - don't ignore the triplet pls

Enon

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Topic Starter

Enon 2018-01-06T15:45:15+00:00

Natsu wrote:
yo

general

combo color 1 and 2 are too similar, can you make them different pls fixed
diff

01:28:281 (1,2,3,4) - I think it represents well the music glad to hear this
01:32:204 (7,8,9,10,1) - this one is ok for me, since there are some bg sounds and I think the stream represents it well glad to hear this
03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - every beat should have the same spacing, 1 and 2 being smaller than 3 and 4 doesn't makes much sense to me. fixed
03:00:935 (4,1) - also this should be a jump considering how strong 1 is. fixed
00:43:051 (4) - the tail is mapped to a stanza which sounds just wrong, it needs a click action try a circle or smth fixed
01:02:666 (1) - remove the NC, this is still part of the previous melody, instead add one at 01:03:358 (2) - since there is a change in the music fixed
01:44:666 (2,5) - stack is off fixed
01:55:512 (2) - there is a hold sound in the music, pls map it as a long slider like the other ones i think leaving it an empty is really nice even if i ignore some sound.
02:06:012 (4,5) - the change on the music is on 5, but ur pattern doesn't represent it well because of how small the spacing is xd i finally fixed it
02:13:743 (1) - this nc doesn't follows anything, remove it and add one at 02:13:973 (3) - were the change in the music happens fixed
02:28:281 (3,4) - eh the drums changes to every 1/2 beats, use 1/2 circles the sliders doesn't represent well this change in the music fixed
02:36:935 (10,1) - similar as before, the spacing doesn't represent the music at all, this needs to have higher spacing than the rest fixed
02:40:627 (8,1) - 02:40:627 (8,1) - same fixed
02:45:820 (4) - shouldn't this be a NC as the before similar part? added
04:18:892 (1,1) - the overlap looks super bad T-T fixed
04:44:889 (5,6) - ignoring the 1/2 strong beats doesn't make any sense with the song he followed my part 01:18:127 (5,6) - and i think it is fine because there are some sound existing to those 3/4
05:23:888 (4) - don't ignore the triplet pls i already know there are sounds worth to be stream on 05:23:889 - 05:23:947 - 05:24:004 - 05:24:062 - but i wanted to make 05:23:197 (1,2,3,4) - these a pattern.

Thank you for coming!