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[added] Make osu!mania 10k rankable.

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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
Current Priority: +1,525
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop
Now, you can play high quality 10K maps and more than 400 maps in osu!mania.
There are variety difficulty for beginner and expert.
Though it's difficult to learn, it's more fun by using all fingers. So I think 10K maps must be rankable.

10K mapset list for beginner
Piano Beatmap Set : 15 songs, 69 maps(10k), hitsound files
Crypt of the Necrodancer : 4 maps
Renai Circulation : 8 maps, hitsound files
10K2S ARCADE Collection : 59 songs, 265 maps
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
10K2S EXTEND Collection : 15 songs, 58 maps
EX EX+

How to begin osu!mania 10K
1. change 5co-op key setting in option.
2. download 10k skin https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_T_wNM ... sp=sharing
3. download 10k beatmaps
4. play 0.7~1.3 star 10k maps.

Examples of key settings

Figure 1 - Binding A S D F <sp> <right-arrow> <num-4> <num-5> <num-6> <num-enter>


Figure 2 - Binding A S D F <sp> <right-alt> L ; ' <enter>


Figure 3 - Binding A S D (F G) (H J) K L ; '

10K play videos
youtube
https://www.youtube.com/user/lyw318/vid ... =dd&view=0
Last edited by CircusGalop , edited 7 times in total.
Rilene
2,105 posts
Joined April 2014
Rilene
Since it is technically possible to play, I would like to see this feature.
Bara-
11,978 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
Wrong forum
87
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop

Baraatje123 wrote:

Wrong forum
87
Now I remembered a feature that I request.
Add rankable 10k mod at standard converting maps without 5k co-op mod.
In other words, separate 10k mod and 5k co-op mod like 2k,4k,6k,8k.
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam
But then where would I place my thumbs?
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop

Minhtam wrote:

But then where would I place my thumbs?
Type 1 - Using RightArrow and number pad
example) A S D F Space RightArrow Num4 Num5 Num6 Num+
Type 2 - Using RightAlt
example) A S D F Space RightAlt P [ ] \
Type 3 - Others
Pull out the RightAlt key and use the above key.
Akasha-
Nomination Assessment Team
4,418 posts
Joined April 2013
Akasha-
Please no.
Arzenvald
4,056 posts
Joined July 2013
Arzenvald
can't disagree, yet cant agree.. i want to see Pump It Up Dual Style-alike chart though.. :3a
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Please no.
Don't worry too much. If objections are many, I will leave osu!mania and be a BMS user again.
Currently, Osu!mania is having poor features for 10key main users.
FrenzyLi
258 posts
Joined April 2015
FrenzyLi
CircusGalop, I'm a strong supporter of your maps. I've been playing your 10K maps for half a month. It's challenging but fun.

Let me share my keys:

Main keyboard Left Hand:A|S|D|F|spacebar
Num pad Right Hand: 0|4|5|6|enter
Tornspirit
251 posts
Joined January 2012
Tornspirit
Yes please 10k best k other than 14+2k but that's awkward as fuck on keyboard
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
From what I know you can set 10k for your beatmaps. They theoretically are already rankable but I guess we lack on people, especially BNs which are competent for this key mode. However, it really is the wrong place to ask for the rankability of 10k maps.
Tornspirit
251 posts
Joined January 2012
Tornspirit

Stefan wrote:

From what I know you can set 10k for your beatmaps. They theoretically are already rankable but I guess we lack on people, especially BNs which are competent for this key mode. However, it really is the wrong place to ask for the rankability of 10k maps.
I could have sworn there was something against 10k in the criteria (which you have to set as 5k co-op in editor) but i checked and there actually isn't anything there regarding the validity of which key modes are allowed to be ranked. However, in the changelogs, support for 9k rankability was specifically added , and 10k definitely has not, so...

Anyway Ranking criteria forum is where this should be posted, yes.
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
Ah, okay then. I am not so into mania so I wasn't sure by myself.
Kamikaze
2,898 posts
Joined November 2012
Kamikaze
I'm all in for makin 10K rankable,that looks like a wonderful keymode to learn someday and agives even more possibilities/mapping freedom than 9K
notice me circusgallop senpai
IamBaum
322 posts
Joined August 2013
IamBaum
I really would love to see this, but i personally would prefer to extend it to: make all DP keymodes rankable.
As a 16K player i know the pain that your main keymode isn't rankable and if we only include 1 more key every time, then it will take many more years until all keys are rankable :D
Anyhow take my stars.
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
Pretty sure it'll become rankable at some point. Supporting anyways.
Bara-
11,978 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
I love how people shoot stars at it, while it's in the wrong forum, thus all stars will go to waste
Unless I am mistaken, can this be moved to Ranking Criteria, where it belongs?
IamBaum
322 posts
Joined August 2013
IamBaum
ahh it's fine for me, even if my stars go to waste, it will remain as a symbolic tribute that we want this :)
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop
I wrote the post here because these problem should be fixed also. (1k~9k are no problem)

1. We can't play 10k with the defualt settings.
2. We can't register the internet ranking scores by 10k play on converted standard maps.
Arzenvald
4,056 posts
Joined July 2013
Arzenvald
cmiiw, don't worry sir circus, moving the thread into appropriate sub forum will be better so people can give more direct support..
the feature itself is already exist right? its just about the rankability of the key mode itself.. right baraatje..? :3a
Bara-
11,978 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
Yes
If it's possible to create a map with it (which is) then it technically is rankable
There is nothing which says it is though
However, there is also nothing saying it is not
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop
Okay. I will write a post on Ranking Criteria.
Arzenvald
4,056 posts
Joined July 2013
Arzenvald
@_@ don't forget to write the main purpose in thread : 'make osu!mania 10k maps rankable'.. and im looking forward for this xD
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop
Thanks!
p/4626931
Bara-
11,978 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
My bad about wrong forum
Didn't knew 10k needed to be properly implementen into the game, before it can get ranked
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan

Baraatje123 wrote:

My bad about wrong forum
Didn't knew 10k needed to be properly implementen into the game, before it can get ranked
I actually asked that on the first page and even got the reply that 9K got implemented but 10K doesn't. So before we can care to make 10K rankable we should be able to set them without manipulating the .osu files. :P
Kamikaze
2,898 posts
Joined November 2012
Kamikaze
We don't have to manipulate .osu files to map 10k anymore since we can just set Coop mode in key amount and that doubles the keycount selected. However those maps cannot be ranked yet nor can we submit scores with 10K mod on autoconverts and that's the concern here.
OperaMini0
63 posts
Joined January 2014
OperaMini0
what about 14k/16k (14k+2t)?

14k is pretty different from 10k, especially if you play 10k using a static layout like the one that circusgalop uses.
you have to use 7 keys for each hand and move your fingers between the keys.
Kamikaze
2,898 posts
Joined November 2012
Kamikaze
We should take it one step at a time imho, we only recently had 9K made rankable and 10K would be a huge leap forward, so let's not bring 14/16 (DP) keys yet. Especially that while 10K still allows to have a static layout where your fingers don't move around, any higher keycount enforces dynamic/arcade style setups which is a whole new level of gameplay.
IamBaum
322 posts
Joined August 2013
IamBaum
As much as i'd love to see 14/16K ranked, i agree with Kami that we should first start with 10K and (maybe) add the non-static DP Modes together afterwards.
Although we probably need a Starrating change for the higher keys before considering them, they are even worse than for our current keys. (Well they weren't even considerd when the SR system was created, since they didn't even exist)
SPOILER
This map is a shitty joke so it couldn't be ranked, but just the fact that you can mess around that much with the star rating for such high key maps speaks for itself xD
Forget that i suggested to add all DP Keys before : )
Saerdna
37 posts
Joined April 2014
Saerdna
totally agree
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop
When you play a piano song, 10k is very fun especially :)

SPOILER
Remyria
361 posts
Joined June 2012
Remyria

Minhtam wrote:

But then where would I place my thumbs?
some players play with the right hand on 0-1-2-3 of num pad and left hand on like S-D-F-SpaceBar for 8K


CircusGalop wrote:

Minhtam wrote:

But then where would I place my thumbs?
Type 1 - Using RightArrow and number pad
example) A S D F Space RightArrow Num4 Num5 Num6 Num+
Type 2 - Using RightAlt
example) A S D F Space RightAlt P [ ] \
Type 3 - Others
Pull out the RightAlt key and use the above key.
My keyboard, for example, doesn't work with any setting I could imagine for 10K(6 simultaneously won't work with all possibilities), even the one I said higher...

I don't want to be against 10K mod being rankable, cause it's enjoyable by people, but I can't agree for 10K maps to be rankable since, well ok, most of player may be technically able to play 9K with a normal keyboard with a setting on some letters and spacebar, I guess(my case), but a VERY BIG majority of people, even with the skill needed, couldn't play 10K for technical limitations(I did tests on my keyboard, which is really good for a "cheap keyboard", result was that neither of the 3 "types" you proposed won't work on my keyboard. Except letters and numbers(not numpad ones) that I can press to have 6 at the same time(the ranking criteria's maximum) is the spacebar, I wouldn't have any alternative for my thumb if I played 10K)...

If you think I said something wrong/stupid, I don't mind you tell me
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop
What is the setting you can press?
If you pull out the N,M Keys, you can use the thumb on J key.
If you pull out the space bar key, there are so many 10k settings!

Can you check these combinations also?
A S D F Space Num0 Num4 Num5 Num6 Num+
A S D F Space RightAlt L ; ' Enter
A S D F Space RightAlt K L ; '
A S D F G H J K L ; (Without 7~10 press same time, You can play 10k by using eight-fingers theoretically)
OperaMini0
63 posts
Joined January 2014
OperaMini0

CircusGalop wrote:

What is the setting you can press?
If you pull out the N,M Keys, you can use the thumb on J key.
If you pull out the space bar key, there are so many 10k settings!

Can you check these combinations also?
A S D F Space Num0 Num4 Num5 Num6 Num+
A S D F Space RightAlt L ; ' Enter
A S D F Space RightAlt K L ; '
A S D F G H J K L ; (Without 7~10 press same time, You can play 10k by using eight-fingers theoretically)
I can't find a layout where I can press all combinations of 6 keys at once.

Are maps with 6 keys at once common in 10k?
FrenzyLi
258 posts
Joined April 2015
FrenzyLi

OperaMini0 wrote:

I can't find a layout where I can press all combinations of 6 keys at once.

Are maps with 6 keys at once common in 10k?
I think they're common once the difficulty has gone up. The issue with 10K is that there are legit 6 key and higher combinations that are not playable anyway by low-key rollover keyboards. N-key roller should be fine.
AncuL
1,114 posts
Joined March 2013
AncuL

FrenzyLi wrote:

I think they're common once the difficulty has gone up. The issue with 10K is that there are legit 6 key and higher combinations that are not playable anyway by low-key rollover keyboards. N-key roller should be fine.
nor 7k-9k
Rori Vidi Veni
175 posts
Joined January 2013
Rori Vidi Veni
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
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Danshi_old_1
Danshi_old_1
I'm not in any way a mania player at all (I suck at mania and i would love to get good at it).
However I fully support this request as 10k exists in osu! then why shouldn't it be allowed to become ranked?
That is just like having money in an atm you cannot withdraw..
+1 from me!
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura

Danshi wrote:

That is just like having money in an atm you cannot withdraw..
inb4 "osu! is free" kind of argument

anyhow i'm pretty sure it's more or less in the works already and will be implemented in the future
Cra Dow
203 posts
Joined February 2015
Cra Dow
This game that Introduced me to the rhytm game universe, and the Osulmania
mode made my fun last, and 10K made it even better and 10K maps are the funnest (the best mapper in 10K I know is CircusGalop, his maps are well made, my top favorite map is one of his: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/351167 (Kana Hanazawa - Renai Circulation), when 10K gets ranked I hope this map will get to be ranked).

Some months I became less active, but if this will get implemented I bet that I will get to play more than before, 10K its the most organic keymode, trains the all the fingers.
I am really excited about this feature and I support this with my full heart! :D
OperaMini0
63 posts
Joined January 2014
OperaMini0
any chance of this happening?
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler
I think this controller would work well.

Only if I had any reason to play mania though... And actually build it.
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop
There are more than 100 songs and 400 maps now. It might be enough for 10k practice.
My 10k map list : https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=circ ... 4&g=0&la=0

Finding all 10k WIP maps
  • https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?fid[]=10&keywords=10key
Finding all 10k Pending maps
  • https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?fid[]=6&keywords=10key
Finding all 10k Graveyard maps
  • https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?fid[]=19&keywords=10key
Now the problem is only one. Make osu!mania 10k maps rankable.
FrenzyLi
258 posts
Joined April 2015
FrenzyLi
CircusGalop: Please put example key settings in the top post. \w/
Keyboard Layout (Pictures)

Figure 1 - Binding A S D F <sp> <right-arrow> <num-4> <num-5> <num-6> <num-enter>


Figure 2 - Binding A S D F <sp> <right-alt> L ; ' <enter>


Figure 3 - Binding A S D (F G) (H J) K L ; '


[centre][img]http://puu.sh/mgYXb.jpg[/img]
Figure 1 - Binding A S D F <sp> <right-arrow> <num-4> <num-5> <num-6> <num-enter>

[img]http://puu.sh/mgYYm.jpg[/img]
Figure 2 - Binding A S D F <sp> <right-alt> L ; ' <enter>

[img]http://puu.sh/mgYYJ.jpg[/img]
Figure 3 - Binding A S D (F G) (H J) K L ; '[/centre]
CircusGalop
121 posts
Joined June 2015
Topic Starter
CircusGalop

FrenzyLi wrote:

The post has been updated. Thank you.
abraker
Global Moderator
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abraker
I use
caps 12 3 v rightArrow num7 num8 num9 numEnter
Hikona
744 posts
Joined October 2014
Hikona
10K Seriously idea?
Samurai
28 posts
Joined October 2012
Samurai
10k scares me (because I'm bad at this game), but I have to agree with this. If someone can play it, it's gotta be rankable.
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