eh

I don't *actually* think that means anything since Sakura has historically put conditionals on roles when designing setups in this way, that is, they wind up being different depending on what is rolled (TH upicks as an example - the first one I'm pretty sure would have had said delayed-kill mechanism I was talking about if GIF's role would have rolled scum). but I'm trying to figure out, *if* Ank has a GF role, whether this would be tied into a town ability or if she was just like "herpaderp this random character will be a GF if they roll scum". I can't figure out what would fit with a GF, whereas the latter really doesn't make much sense and isn't like what I'm used to from her.

Irre, did you use a card last night?

The GIF kill was definitely a hyper. Even the other suggestion you put out requires it to be a hyper.

I think Irre would have killed me night 3 instead of Tess. I was setting a trap and I know you have a lot more experience with how I think at night than Irre does, so me not dying when I was advertising that I could break the game open more indicates you as scum than him.

Actually, why would Irre keep me alive over Frostings?

pieguy did you ever use your hyper? I found your massclaim post and saw nothing about it.

no. my hyper (Dance, Long-Eared Beasts) is to KO a random person, I haven't used it at all this game.

my passive is that I get 1-shot KO immunity for each person I KO - likely having to do with Krila gaining an extra HP each time someone hits the Dance, Long-Eared Beasts trap in-game

I think you're going down the wrong track reading into the N3 kill. both you and Tess were confirmed town (or at the very least almost confirmed town). I don't think a hypothetical scum-Irre would have seen much of a difference in the two kills. I'm also not reading into the kills at all for the most part bc I don't have faith that Irre would actually pick kills in a way that is logical or makes any sense - and even if he would, I could easily enough see a scenario where, for instance, he thought I was lynchable and wanted to kill Frostings specifically bc Frostings was calling him "conftown" and thought people would speculate on the NK. (I'm not saying he's scum for this specifically, just that there exists some scenario where the kills make sense coming from Irre-scum.)

bbl, promise me regardless of anything else you don't do anything drastic until Irre at the very least answers my question

pieguy1372 wrote:

you know how Irre is -.-

After reading this I don't even think I need to say anything anymore, because I'm me anyway. I guess it's up to you to decide what to do -_-

something that I just thought of that I feel it's safe to reveal is that I'm almost positive Ank-scum would have NK'ed me at some point in the game

for one basic reason: he knows that I'm one of the few players who will question investigative results in role madness games or in situations where I don't think they make any sense. if you're a GF and you get investigated, literally all you need in order to win is for people to accept the result at face value. I'd likely be one of the only players in the game, if not the only one, who wouldn't just write him off as "conftown".

going to bed. Irre needs to answer my question next time he arrives (yes, I am going somewhere with this).

pieguy1372 wrote:

going to bed. Irre needs to answer my question next time he arrives (yes, I am going somewhere with this).

I haven't.

i am going to be blunt

i think you're lying about card usage

i think you're deliberately dodging this question because you don't know how to answer it in a way that won't make you look like obvious scum

i don't think you'd be this much of a fuckwit and deliberately dodge questions for ... no reason ... as town. this is your last chance to answer it and convince me i'm wrong.

like, you realize that if I explain exactly why I'm thinking this your answer will no longer count, right?

pieguy1372 wrote:

like, you realize that if I explain exactly why I'm thinking this your answer will no longer count, right?

If you knew what I did, why not stating it? The way YOU behave is a shit like town.

the entire point is that if you're town, you should be able to answer the question without knowing why, specifically, I'm asking it

on the other hand, if you're scum, and I immediately lay out what I think happened, you can change your answer around to fit with what I said so that it doesn't contradict anything

this is basic stuff

Prodge. Mostly just waiting to see where this goes.

actually, I'm entirely overthinking this

Sakura wrote:

A trap has been activated!


Trap has failed, Target got no cards to discard.

this trap was not activated because of a card. if it was, Sakura would have confirmed a card was used. this trap must have been activated because of an ability. mod can confirm both of these things (confirming card usage and traps being able to be activated via abilities).

the trap was necessarily placed on Irre. it couldn't have been Ank since mod confirmed Ank placed a trap card after this, and I have LDS (even if you believe I'm lying about having it, I have to have at least *some* card unless there exists a way I could have played one without mod revealing it, which I don't *think* exists).

it follows that

1. Irre had no cards at daystart. not even the one you usually draw when day starts. how is this possible? the only way is that he lied and used Passionate Research last night - if you go back and look, that replaces the card you draw at daystart with another hyper shot.

2. Irre is thus lying about having used Nice Jingle, since he couldn't have had any cards. you will notice that mod never actually confirmed a card was used today - and, conveniently, he "used" it in private instead of declaring it in thread. as I said before, mod can confirm that if Irre had used a card she would have announced that a card was used in thread.

there is a _lot_ more (I have a huge wall typed up that I was going to post instead of this, then I asked the mod about some specific role interactions and got this as a result. either way Irre is lying about at least one thing), but as just one point, from my POV the trap necessarily was activated because Irre used a hyper ability (from an outside POV there is technically a chance I'm lying about my hyper and I targeted Irre with it, however I know 1. my hyper is night-only, 2. my hyper is random which would have made it a complete crapshoot). there's nothing else that could have done it unless Irre lied about what his passive ability was or if Ank did something, but I don't believe he's faking his hyper and he couldn't have used it on Irre as Irre had been KO'ed on N1.

everything after this is speculation, but one more thing: I think he was responsible for the GIF kill D2, and thus didn't claim a hyper bc he couldn't claim his *actual* hyper and didn't know what else he could claim

this would explain why he would have used Passionate Research: if he gets another daykill he wins immediately. I also think that it's limited to players who are KO'ed - which would explain why he didn't just use it immediately at daystart today (there were no viable targets). I alluded to this before, but when Sakura does setups in this way she usually allows for slight modifications in roles depending on what alignment they are. I don't really see Sakura putting "this person has ability X if town, and is a GF if scum"; what *does* make sense? "this person can daykill a KO'ed player if town, and can daykill a KO'ed player in place of the next night's NK if scum".

either way, Irre is at the very least lying about card usage and not having a hyper

@Ank: I'm at the point where I'm ready to vote unless Irre has an explanation for this. if you need anything else from me, or if I screwed my logic up somewhere, ask. either way I'm almost positive Irre is lying about at least one thing somewhere in here bc a lot of things about this game don't add up with the claims so far. from the (admittedly limited) rereading I did, I also think you're more likely to be town here due mostly to recent play (Irre has primarily floated through and done for the most part nothing the past few game days).

Nice, and now vote me already.

Irreversible wrote:

Nice, and now vote me already.

It's not sarcastic by the way, what you said was right and there's I can't come up with more lies, the Nice Jingle one was kind of a last resort which wasn't going to work anyway, because well.. the cards didn't make it possible. I messed up badly by misreading my hyper, sooo~ GG

Activate Hyper: Magical Massacre

Just for shiggles, I guess.

Vote: Irreversible

glad I caught that =o=
GG

Irreversible, Kyousuke from the Evil Team has been Lynched Day 5

The town of pieguy1372, GuyInFreezer, fartownik, Tess, DakeDekaane, Frostings, NoHitter, Amianki, Chamelo_Th win the game

Dead QT
Orange Team
Blue Team
Green Team
Yellow Team
Scum may post the Evil Team QT if they want.

Day 1 Actions:
Choofers uses Present for you on Hika (Result: Choofers and Hika draw cards until their hands are full)
GuyInFreezer sets Bad Pudding trap on Chamelo_Th
Nyquill uses Deploy Bits and gains 1-shot KO <Day/Night>
NoHitter uses Big Magnum on Nyquill (Result: Nyquil dies and NoHitter is KO'd)

Night 1 Actions:
Hika uses Scary Solicitation on Amianki by giving Gift Exchange (Result: Town)
Hika uses Extraordinary Specs on Irreversible (Result: Fails becuase Irre is KO'd and he has KO protection)
GuyInFreezer uses Protagonist's Privilege on Irreversible (Result: Fails because GuyInFreezer is roleblocked)
Irreversible uses Ambush on GuyInFreezer (Result: Success, GuyInFreezer is KO'd and Roleblocked)
Irreversible uses Factional Kill on fartownik (Result: fartownik dies)

Day 2 Actions
Amianki uses Stiff Crystal (Result: Next time Amianki hits a trap it has no effect)
Irreversible uses Cast-Off (Result: Converts 1-shot KO protection to 1-shot Anytime Vig)
Irreversible Kills GuyInFreezer (Result: GuyInFreezer dies)
Frostings uses Nice Present (Result: Frostings discards a card and draws 2)
Amianki uses Gift Exchange on Frostings (Result: Long Distance Shot <--Swap--> Shield)

Night 2 Actions
Amianki uses Shield (Result: Any kill towards Amianki becomes a KO)
Chamelo_Th uses Scary Solicitation on pieguy by giving Cloud of Seagulls (Result: Fails because trap forces discard and then has no card to give away)
Irreversible uses Tactical Retreat (Result: Irreversible Commutes)

Day 3 Actions
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Night 3 Actions
Frostings sets trap 300% Heat on NoHitter
Frostings uses Gamble (Result: RNG > pieguy1372 is KO'd)
Tess uses Scary Solicitation on Irreversible by giving Passionate Research (Result: Fails because ded)
Irreversible Factional Kills Tess (Result: Tess dies)

Day 4 Actions
NoHitter uses Forced Revival reviving pieguy1372 from KO. He also triggers 300% Heat trap and gets Burn effect.
pieguy1372 uses Mimic on Irreversible (Result: Fails because Irreversible has no Cast-Off shots left)
Irreversible uses Passionate Research discarding his hand.

Night 4 Actions
pieguy1372 uses Tactical Retreat (Result: pieguy1372 commutes)
Irreversible Factional Kills Frostings (Result: Frostings dies)
Amianki sets trap Tragedy in the Dead of the Night on Irreversible

Day 5 Actions
Irreversible uses Cast-Off (Result: Fails because he has no left-over 1-shot KO protection to convert) and triggers Tragedy in the dead of the Night, which also fails because Irreversible has no cards remaining.
Amianki sets trap Bad Pudding on pieguy1372

Everyone may start posting again btw, im just filling the postgame stuff.

I think this game is a good example of what happens when I try to port mafiascum thought processes here.

GUYS ARE YOU SERIOUS

Irre was so obvious ;___________________; we all cried in DQT

Also, about the missing kill Night 2.

Irreversible sent a factional kill on Tess, but then sent me by PM that he was going to use Tactical Retreat. Normally you can use a card and your factional kill in the same night, but you can't do anything else if you commute, so i sent him a warning in the scum QT that he can't do both, since he never updated his night action, it stayed on commute.

Also Fun fact: Factional kills don't trigger traps.

This actually was a very interesting game to mod, however it seems that the mechanics were pretty complicated and in my rush i failed to explain stuff properly, not to mention that i ran out of post length on the OP so i had to put flips and remove some ISO urls to save space, so memo to self: dont do that again next time.

Overall i hope you guys had fun

i hope this dead QT is fun to read

i should really have caught Irre as soon as Tragedy in the Dead of Night got activated, but i didn't read the mechanics properly :< my fault

I kinda got apathetic after my reads were so horrendously wrong followed by my plan being thwarted by GIF >:/

lmfao oh fuck is this

also shows u fuckers i had all the scum on my wagon

I overthink way too much apparently on my scumreads

Irre got some seriously lucky actions aha

I wanna play another game ;;

Well this game just finished so there will be another game starting.

hey cb for reference how did I convince you I was town D1

The only thing I have in my replace-notes about you was this post, and I can't remember why I was getting townreads off that anymore.

Well, I certainly didn't expect this game to end in a forfeit, lol.

Haha, I was surprised enough that my lies were working that long. But I really messed up on the last day, I thought I'll get another vig shot.. but I guess I did a good job confusing you 8)

Also, pieguy: after the Gif kill, why did you react like that? I thought I was certainly gonna die there because who the fuck would GiF at this point?

I still don't understand what issue people had with my reaction. it was theoretically more sound to explicitly lay out that if no one claimed it it's coming from scum.

Frostings wrote:

Irre got some seriously lucky actions aha

only thing that kept him alive enough!

Amianki wrote:

I kinda got apathetic after my reads were so horrendously wrong followed by my plan being thwarted by GIF >:/

Whatever did I do :<

Also, obligatory #TeamKrila

you trapped CTh

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Irre got some seriously lucky actions aha

only thing that kept him alive enough!

Pls, I'm the master of confusion

IRRE THE MASTERMIND!