Mitchie M feat.Hatsune Miku - Burenai ai de · forum

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2014-12-23T18:27:47+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2015年6月29日 at 上午 04:19:46

Artist: Mitchie M feat.Hatsune Miku
Title: Burenai ai de
Source: ロートデジアイ
Tags: 初音ミク hatsune miku vocaloid ロートデジアイ digieye Nerova Riuz GX
BPM: 138
Filesize: 2518kb
Play Time: 01:23
Difficulties Available:

Easy (1.65 stars, 69 notes)
Hard (2.79 stars, 149 notes)
NerovA's Insane (3.62 stars, 270 notes)
Normal (1.74 stars, 101 notes)

Download: Mitchie M feat.Hatsune Miku - Burenai ai de
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Easy - Wating for Mod | Normal - Wating for Mod | Hard -Wating for Mod | NerovA's Insane - Wating for Mod |
Welcome to add Difficulty
PLEASE RE-DOWNLOAD if you download before April 20

Update log

15/2/18 Normal Firstupdate
Easy & Hard Finish waiting for Mod
15/2/19 Add Skin
15/2/19 Easy First update
15/2/22 Hard First update
15/3/2 Hard 2nd update
15/3/8 Hard 3rd update
15/3/25 All update
15/3/27 Some bug fix
15/4/16 Easy Distance Problem fix , Hard reduce 0:00~Kiai Time
15/4/17 All roll&distance problem fix
15/4/19 Hard Distance problem fix
15/4/20 Hard sound fix
15/4/20 Song title fix
15/4/26 Add New difficult - NerovA's Insane
15/5/10 Hard Row fix
15/6/29Easy Distance fix , Normal re-make , Hard Distance fix , NerovA's Insane Author

Miku Daisuki | ミク大好き | 初音萬歲

Last edited by ChenYa0Ayase 2015-06-28T20:20:04+00:00, edited 33 times in total.

In April

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In April 2015-02-17T22:55:58+00:00

im lazy for full playthrough, so only Normal for now, will look through others in next few days.

00:12:149 (2) - mostly aesthetic, move it away(lower between nearby slider points), no need to slightly overlap, looks off and might throw people off for future fast sequences.
00:20:410 (2) - same as above.
00:29:541 (3) - either overlap with slider entry point perfectly or move it top right a bit.
00:42:584 (2) - phrase beginns before this, feels a bit empty. extend by one repeat and move the slider one tick earlier and overlap with ending of previous one a bit, feels smoother and next circle still gives a slight break
00:55:410 - place a sequence of 3 circles here, you did it before, overall tempo is not that bad to leave big areas like that, if you are following the singing.
00:58:889 - same as above, but vary with 1xreversed slider.
01:12:149 (2) - As a follow up to long slider its fine, but obscures the next combo a bit too much for average player. Would suggest moving this up-right or moving the white sequence below it.

Otherwise like it a lot, especially those hook-like sliders

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-02-18T04:33:08+00:00

tkRustle wrote:
im lazy for full playthrough, so only Normal for now, will look through others in next few days.

00:12:149 (2) - fixed
00:20:410 (2) - fixed
00:29:541 (3) - try to do better
00:42:584 (2) - I try to fix this but just to above put the note or slider on red line before refrain
00:55:410 - star from refrain I follow the vocal tampo so try to make it like this
00:58:889 - same as
01:12:149 (2) - fixed it Try the new arrange

Otherwise like it a lot, especially those hook-like sliders

By the way "Hard" is back to Redo

In April

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In April 2015-02-18T21:10:12+00:00

Okay, looking through Easy
00:23:889 (3) , 00:27:367 (3) - Even though it looks like it, sliders dont have same geometry, you'll notice it if try to do next point
00:25:628 - put a circle on sliders ending point, you do that in same situation at 00:29:106 (4) , no point in missing it.
00:38:671 (2) - this is Easy, so maybe consider making a tulip rather then overlapping

post this slider on previous ones position exactly and flip vertically, keeping the entry points on same spot.
00:43:889 (1) - again, bad overlapping. Dont do it for longer sliders so randomly, use their entry/exit points for quick sequences or their mid parts as bow/arrow
(arrow cannot be shorter than bow)

00:45:628 (2) - same, you can use the idea above if you want something pretty

Since you said Hard is redone, Ill wait for it, cheers

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-02-19T08:39:56+00:00

tkRustle wrote:
Okay, looking through Easy
00:23:889 (3) ,
00:27:367 (3) -
00:25:628 -
00:29:106 (4)
00:38:671 (2) -
00:43:889 (1) -

All fix but still feel strange
Try it

00:45:628 (2) - same, you can use the idea above if you want something pretty
the new one maybe you'll like

Since you said Hard is redone, Ill wait for it, cheers

Xinchii

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Xinchii 2015-02-21T15:41:45+00:00

我U看到你ㄉpost惹 :OOO

我這幾天再來看看

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-02-21T15:45:58+00:00

Xinchii wrote:
我U看到你ㄉpost惹 :OOO

我這幾天再來看看

謝謝你~

In April

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In April 2015-02-21T16:17:47+00:00

Okay time, for hard.
Dont consider all of my suggestions a must, if you have a strong reason, tell me

00:09:758 (2) - consider making this a slider or add a note on white tick after. These are 2 good beats, dont skip one of them, it wont be too hard since there is a rest period while going through half-circle slider after this combo.
00:17:367 (2) - if you want to overlap this one, place it directly under white slider ending point, looks too awkward otherwise.
00:18:236 (1) - maybe remove this note, since there is no good beat for it and will give a second of concentration for the hard sequence after.
00:25:193 (2) - this note is very obstructed and hard to see , move it under beginning of slider 3 maybe, or dont overlap it at all.
00:43:780 (2) - pretty sure you are overmapping this one, has no beat for it and feels like unnessesary speed increase.
00:45:519 (2) - ^same
00:55:410 (1,2,3,4) - compared to similar combo before and after the jumps are too drastic, shuffle the placement a bit.
01:06:063 (3) - needs circles on red ticks before and after, you did this here 01:09:323 (4,5,6)
01:13:454 (4) - its on next tick, It cannot be that far.

Good luck!

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-02-22T04:27:24+00:00

tkRustle wrote:
00:09:758 (2) - change to 1 slider and 1 note maybe it will look it better
00:17:367 (2) - my opinion , but still move
00:18:236 (1) - instead of using 1 note and 1 slider
00:25:193 (2) - remove
00:43:780 (2) - remove 1 note
00:45:519 (2) - ^same
00:55:410 (1,2,3,4) - move the 00:55:628 (2,4) - closer
01:06:063 (3) - needs circles on red ticks before and after, you did this here 01:09:323 (4,5,6) Fixed
01:13:454 (4) - its on next tick, It cannot be that far. My opinion

Thanks for your mod , I'll keep track your Pending beatmap to gave some suggestion
Good Luck

and please retry the all of map , it has been fix

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-03-02T09:48:05+00:00

Hard 2nd fix
00:24:758 (1,2,3) - redo
01:12:802 (1,2,3,4,5) - change distance

leiffang

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leiffang 2015-03-08T02:44:02+00:00

~Hard~

So, your map makes a lot of sense and has fixed patterns in certain sections. I only have a few minor suggestions.

00:11:497 (1) Change this so that it repeats 4 times

00:25:410 (3) Make this repeat 4 times too

00:36:932 (1) I wouldn't make this new combo

00:48:563 (4) Delete this circle. The beat doesn't exist in the song

00:48:997 (1) Shorten this spinner to 00:50:845 . (This actually messed me up the first time I played this)

00:56:715 (5) Add a circle here

01:03:889 (5) Only have this repeat 3 times. The sound from before is somewhat jarring.

I didn't comment on the positioning because it seems like that has been played with a lot.
I know it's not much, but I still hope this helps

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-03-08T10:23:15+00:00

leiffang wrote:
~Hard~

So, your map makes a lot of sense and has fixed patterns in certain sections. I only have a few minor suggestions.

00:11:497 (1) please try the new design

00:25:410 (3) ^same as

00:36:932 (1) I wouldn't make this new combo. I've no idea how to change it

00:48:563 (4) delete the circle and change distance

00:48:997 (1) make ot shorten

00:56:715 (5) Add a circle here. Ah... where? Sorry I don't understand

01:03:889 (5) Only have this repeat 3 times. The sound from before is somewhat jarring. My opinion

I didn't comment on the positioning because it seems like that has been played with a lot.
I know it's not much, but I still hope this helps

Thanks you a lot because U help me find some part should to fix

Akitoshi

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Akitoshi 2015-03-13T09:13:01+00:00

Hello there

I'm not good but try this,

[General]
Lack of Hitsound effects especially Easy and Normal (Like Clap and Finish)

[Easy]
Try Reduce AR to 2/3, OD = 2/3 and HP Drain Should Lower than 3. Then I recommend the CS is = 3
00:36:497 - Add New Combo here
00:47:367 - Add notes here, I felt empty with this one

01:03:889 - This slider is too fast for Easy. Try set Slider Velocity Multiplier to x1.0

[Normal]
Try Reduce AR to 4/5, OD = 4/5 and HP Drain should 3 or 4.
00:14:323 (3) - CTRL+G to Better Flow

00:34:323 (2) - It isn't too far??
01:06:497 (6) - This slider Should move in Above of 01:06:280 (5) - . Then add New combo.
01:09:976 (1) - This one too, Should move in Under of 01:09:758 (4) - .
01:12:802 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - Try make Distance Spacing = x1.6 to x1.8 for Avoid Stacking. you can adjust then with holding ALT + Mousewheel.
01:23:889 (1) - Remove this Spinner then try to change Slider that would ends in 01:24:323 - .

[Hard]
Try Set to HP Drain = 5 in song setup
00:27:367 (3) - CTRL + G for better flow
00:40:628 (2,3,4) - More Distance please <3
01:09:323 (4) - Add new combo here
01:16:280 (3) - Add new combo here too
01:20:845 - Try continue mapping until 01:24:541 - Because your lower diff/Song ends with here

suanriz

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suanriz 2015-04-13T11:12:47+00:00

Easy
00:11:715 - 有聲音，可以放Note
00:18:671 -^
00:25:628 -^
00:26:063 -^
00:26:497 - 合成Slider?

SPOILER

00:28:671 - circle

00:29:976 (1) - 間距很多有問題,記得全程開DS做圖.其餘也須修改
00:12:584 (1) - ^
00:12:584 -^
00:26:497 (1) - ^
00:40:410 (3) - ^
00:36:932 (2) - ^

00:47:802 - 00:51:715 有歌聲有重音,不建議用轉盤帶過
00:53:454 (3) - 這種弧度感覺不漂亮.可以嘗試這種排列

SPOILER

Hard
Combo1 要是有開背景.這顏色容易被背景吃掉
00:21:280 (1) - 00:21:497 (2) - 00:21:715 (3) - 00:22:584 (4) -
跟前面的00:21:063 (3) - 為一組顏色.
換色時機可以在考慮一下

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-04-16T11:22:14+00:00

suanriz wrote:
Easy
00:11:715 - 有聲音，可以放Note
00:18:671 -^
00:25:628 -^
00:26:063 -^
00:26:497 - 合成Slider?
SPOILER
00:28:671 - circle

00:29:976 (1) - 間距很多有問題,記得全程開DS做圖.其餘也須修改
00:12:584 (1) - ^
00:12:584 -^
00:26:497 (1) - ^
00:40:410 (3) - ^
00:36:932 (2) - ^

00:47:802 - 00:51:715 有歌聲有重音,不建議用轉盤帶過
00:53:454 (3) - 這種弧度感覺不漂亮.可以嘗試這種排列
SPOILER

Hard
Combo1 要是有開背景.這顏色容易被背景吃掉
00:21:280 (1) - 00:21:497 (2) - 00:21:715 (3) - 00:22:584 (4) -
跟前面的00:21:063 (3) - 為一組顏色.
換色時機可以在考慮一下

更新完畢~

只是Easy,因為有些0.5拍的地方,間距比一般的的更進,應該只要DS開著就沒事了吧?

Hard部分前面有重作,顏色的部分考慮改完全相反色

DarknessAngel

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DarknessAngel 2015-04-16T17:14:14+00:00

Hi, as your request. Please do not give me kudosu because I don't want it.
不要給我kd，真的哦

[Hard]

關於排列：做Hard有個很重要的重點，當你沒有要用跳的時候，要跟隨你預先設置的Normal Spacing(常規間距)擺放，像你00:09:106 (1,2,3,4)就沒問題，可以當成你的Normal Spacing (1.5x)，之後沒有跳的時候就是用1.5x，這樣的意思。如果有一段音樂特別強烈，增加那一段的Normal Spacing可以，但是記得要統一，像00:20:628 (2,3,1,2,3)，很突然的無章法變換，會讓玩家困惑而且看起來也不舒適
所以現在最主要還是先把間距弄得明瞭才有辦法幫你細部檢查其他的東西

間距錯誤的範例：00:20:628 (2,3,1,2,3)、00:51:932 (1,2)、01:05:845 (3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5)

然後1/1拍也要自訂一個規則可循，要不然譜面看起來會亂，或者你需要想辦法排放整齊(我之前做的那個不知道你有沒有留下來，可以參考看看)

關於滑條變速：這個是用在曲子或人聲特別變化的時候使用，它既可能變強也可能變弱，按照強弱來調整

00:20:628 (2)、00:21:715 (3) - 這裡的就完全不合適了，畢竟音樂幾乎是沒有變化的
01:04:758 (2) - 這裡就用得很好，可以保留，但是形狀可以拉得更有造型一些，像這樣
其他應用：真的想用滑條變速的話，我建議開頭柔和的部分0.75x，Kiai time前1.00x，Kiai time用1.2

關於音效：盡量選擇貼合或適合背景音樂的音效來設置，然後音效要有系統，隨機出現會讓類似的兩段音樂出現違和感

00:13:454 (5) - whistle跟這裡不合，需要刪掉，這邊的音效有Normal預設的就很好了，貼合音樂所以完全沒關係
00:23:019 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - 你把綠線音效從drum改成soft，每個白線加上whistle就解決了音效了\:D/
00:34:323 (2,3) - 依照你設置音效的系統，這裏要有clap哦
00:40:410 - 這裡繼續下一些whistle，不然突然沒有會顯得很空，然後00:43:671 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7)可以直接按照00:36:715(1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6)做系統化處理
Kiai time部分可以用clap放置在每個2、4拍，然後一點點的whistle做搭配

關於flow：它影響到鼠標移動時的舒適度，在擺放物件的時候看物件如何銜接會打起來比較舒適甚至爽快是很重要的哦！

00:39:323 (5) - 給這個ctrl+g，然後看看00:38:671 (3,4,5,6,1)的移動有沒有好一些
01:22:149 (1) - ctrl+g，然後01:23:019 (3)也是，看看01:20:845 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4)。其實你的01:23:454 (4)開口朝右邊是最好的

[Easy]

Easy這個難度的限制最多，其中包括不能用滑條變速；間距必須一致(物件之間的時間相隔較久的可以微調，但是必須系統化或是合理)；轉盤後面必須空4拍；節奏不能太過複雜和密集(你的節奏問題不大不用看這個)

不可使用的：
00:09:106 - 這一段變速
00:36:497 - 變速和間距
00:47:802 (1,1) - 銜接的間格太短

Normal難度略提一下，spinner之後要空2拍出來，你現在只有空1拍

就先看到這邊，有問題的話可以找我，不過下次要找我mod前確定一下你的圖還有沒有unrankable的東西在，沒有的話我比較好詳細檢查:>

ChenYa0Ayase

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ChenYa0Ayase 2015-04-17T08:03:45+00:00

DarknessAngel wrote:
[Hard]

排列問題：

我嘗試用x1.5跑全圖,然後用整圖繞圈圈的方式作排列
按著Ctrl跑參考線對齊
現在是01:04:758 (2) - 這個地方的排列還是比較有問題,不知道改成現在這種排列如和

變速問題：
00:09:106 - 的轉盤結束之前都用x0.75
00:36:715 - 開始改回x1.0
00:47:367 - 這個地方我考慮用x0.75試試看
00:51:932 - 的Kiai Time開始到01:03:889 (5,1,2) - 的變速之前都用x1.0
01:04:758 (2) - 這個地方本來用x0.5 , 改變滑條的樣子之後改成x1.0來貼近歌曲節奏

關於音效：

00:13:454 (5) - whistle跟這裡不合，需要刪掉，這邊的音效有Normal預設的就很好了，貼合音樂所以完全沒關係
這裡更正了

00:23:019 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - 你把綠線音效從drum改成soft，每個白線加上whistle就解決了音效了\:D/
從00:22:802 - 開始的綠線改成soft後,白線上了whistle
但是00:29:106 (2,3) - 00:30:845 (3,4) - 00:32:584 (3,4) - 00:34:323 (2,3) - 這四拍節奏上我沒有選擇放whistle
就繼續維持clap

00:34:323 (2,3) - 依照你設置音效的系統，這裏要有clap哦
同上

00:40:410 - 這裡繼續下一些whistle，不然突然沒有會顯得很空，然後00:43:671 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7)可以直接按照
00:36:715(1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6)做系統化處理
這幾個部分在00:41:063 (2,4,6) - 放了whistle,接著00:44:541 (3,7) - 選擇這兩個比較長的放whistle

Kiai time部分可以用clap放置在每個2、4拍，然後一點點的whistle做搭配
這邊還在研究中

[Easy]

這裡開頭都全部重新排列
變速也都拿掉,全圖跑x1.0
間距鎖定1.0
看看這樣排列還有沒有問題

[Normal]

Normal難度略提一下，spinner之後要空2拍出來，你現在只有空1拍

轉盤的長度已重新計算
根據Easy的方式重新調整所有物件間距

就先看到這邊，有問題的話可以找我，不過下次要找我mod前確定一下你的圖還有沒有unrankable的東西在，沒有的話我比較好詳細檢查:>