That's not how it works, and even if it was, it isn't really relevant to my request.Ace3DF wrote:
You can do all of this anyways if you're a supporter.
Step 1: Open osu!
Step 2: Go to a song
Step 3: Put on DT (/HD)
Step 4: Change leaderboards to Global (selected mods)
Step 5: Enjoy your stay at pp city.
Yes.Ace3DF wrote:
You can do all of this anyways if you're a supporter.
Step 1: Open osu!
Step 2: Go to a song
Step 3: Put on DT (/HD)
Step 4: Change leaderboards to Global (selected mods)
Step 5: Enjoy your stay at pp city.
Ace3DF wrote:
HRHD would become more pointless and DT mashing would be happening everywhere.
I was actually referring to the score ranking system when I said "current scoring system", not the ppv2 system.Kaeru wrote:
Yes, it pretty much has, actually. While still more accurate than ppv1, ppv2 is far from perfect. And I mean very far. Star difficulty is still calculated poorly, DT is still weighted too much on some songs (not all songs) and FL really is fine where it is. I really don't see why FL should be touched.CalignoBot wrote:
This hasn't happened with the current scoring system so it won't happen in the new one either.
Why do people have a problem with the score system? It's the best system. It's a constant system. It never changes. Performance points will constantly vary as the calculations become more accurate. Score never has to change, nor should it ever change. I really would like to see a way to replace plays with higher pp plays (or delete records, maybe a supporter only feature) but this is really not a solution.
And as Grappemaker said, displaying the pp in the top right instead of score is pretty much the most horrid idea I've ever heard of. People will just download a map, throw DT on it and if the little pp indicator in the top right isn't some absurd amount of pp that the map is definitely not worth, well you can guess what happens then. Delete it and move on to the next map to mash buttons on.
^Ziggo wrote:
That'd be awful. I hope this will never happen.
The whole point of rhythm games in general is to build up combos and get a high score. I think it would be a good idea to show pp next to a given score but pp should never replace the standard score system nor should it have priority over it.Drezi wrote:
oh PLEASE, how is that so, care to elaborate? it makes my head hurt that people just come here commenting stuff like these, based on zero thought given.
Yeah, that's what you do with pp aswell, or do we need to multiply it by 1,000,000 to make it seem 'high'?pied wrote:
The whole point of rhythm games in general is to build up combos and get a high score.
That's exactly how pp works...pied wrote:
The whole point of rhythm games in general is to build up combos and get a high score. I think it would be a good idea to show pp next to a given score but pp should never replace the standard score system nor should it have priority over it.Drezi wrote:
oh PLEASE, how is that so, care to elaborate? it makes my head hurt that people just come here commenting stuff like these, based on zero thought given.
hell no[WP] wrote:
i think mania scoring system is a better idea
imo
Slippery slope fallacy.pied wrote:
So basically spinners would also be removed, since they dont affect pp. oh yeah take out combos too since everyone will just be going for fc and ss anyways
You obviously never played DT in insanes before ._. FL is just Retry Spam(not really hard just need paitence) while in DT you actually need skill to hit the notesdennischan wrote:
pp is far too inaccurate for anything like this.
it only considers max combo and acc, which are not sufficent for any case of score calculation.
there is no pattern recognization or anything that could determine the skill of a player accurately.
I think you are getting to hyped up over a system which is not operational.
Before per hitobject data can be provided,
it is simply nonsense to base scores on it.
maybe this should be implemented, but in the far future after pp is fully functional and gives accurate scoring.
then we can talk about this.
ps:FL is much harder than DT. DT is just high speed spamming. (excluding sayo's plays)
i like this idea better, jesus has a thread on it already to have a "pp scoreboard" as a supporter feature alongside country/friend rankings, and its much more reasonable than ousting score completelyDefacer wrote:
Just add a scoreboard based on pp next to the existing score one, even if it's just for testing purposes.Many replays won't exist but it's just about bringing attention to actually good scores that remain completely unnoticed.To all the people who cannot realize what I am saying->It's not only sayonara-bye who is #1 on everything with DTHD, there are many many players being able to do maps like him, maybe without hd, maybe without such accuracy but still deserve respect for it.That way, you will all learn about great players that are right now underrated.
I don't understand what's this big argument all about, what's wrong with addition of a scoreboard based on what actually makes up our ranks?
Because this comes up so often, I've updated the OP with the reasons why it can't work.pied wrote:
Since the whole argument seems about mods, why not just buff dt multiplier or nerf fl or hd?
pp is a type of score. I don't really care if both are implemented, as long as your highest score for both "score" and "pp" are saved.MiniTokki wrote:
A scoreboard pp based cannot be a scoreboard.
A scoreboard need to be score based to be a scoreboard.
A scoreboard is nice in a game with score, that would be stupid to remove it imo.
An another board such a ppboard could be nice, but only with the existing one, like an option that we can switch which board we want to see.
No votes given for this request but I'm not totally againts tho.
MiniTokki wrote:
A scoreboard pp based cannot be a scoreboard.
A scoreboard need to be score based to be a scoreboard.
A scoreboard is nice in a game with score, that would be stupid to remove it imo.
If this was fully implemented PP would be score, it would replace score. What's so hard to grasp about this.Green Platinum wrote:
My major issue is players who are new are going to be completely confused by a leaderboard completely alien from anything to their own scores.
Kyou-kun wrote:
pp is a type of score. I don't really care if both are implemented, as long as your highest score for both "score" and "pp" are saved.
What type of score a score on a scoreboard is ?Drezi wrote:
If this was fully implemented PP would be score, it would replace score. What's so hard to grasp about this.
PP isn't really something that can be calculated as you progress through a song...Drezi wrote:
If this was fully implemented PP would be score, it would replace score. What's so hard to grasp about this.
Not true, there are viable suggestions, read back.Bauxe wrote:
PP isn't really something that can be calculated as you progress through a song...
This guy... I really do hope that you're trolling.MiniTokki wrote:
Kyou-kun wrote:
pp is a type of score. I don't really care if both are implemented, as long as your highest score for both "score" and "pp" are saved.What type of score a score on a scoreboard is ?Drezi wrote:
If this was fully implemented PP would be score, it would replace score. What's so hard to grasp about this.
This guy ? I do not allow you to take that tone. You can't argue people just because you don't see their point.Drezi wrote:
This guy... I really do hope that you're trolling.
Alright you can go ahead and subjectively think that drangonhuman and rrtyui and all the other current top players are shit because this system is so obviously subjective.MiniTokki wrote:
This guy ? I do not allow you to take that tone. You can't argue people just because you don't see their point.Drezi wrote:
This guy... I really do hope that you're trolling.
In osu!, there notes and combo, which give you a score, this is how the game work.
No matter how fast / blindfolded / with your head you hit the notes, you just need to be in rythm, this is a rythmic game.
This is the basis rules to get a score in the game.
PP are totally different, I don't know how to spell it (my english suck) but basically, they are not basis rules, they are implemented by our own judgement on how much is difficult to hit a note. This is totally subjective so totally different imo.
That lost what the game is.
So it's why, I think, PP can't be a scoreboard.
Are you for real ?jesus1412 wrote:
Alright you can go ahead and subjectively think that drangonhuman and rrtyui and all the other current top players are shit because this system is so obviously subjective.
Why argue it's subjective when pp is clearly awarding based on skill rather objectively. Neither of us can deny these players are good, if the system was subjective then there would be people who would disagree.MiniTokki wrote:
Are you for real ?jesus1412 wrote:
Alright you can go ahead and subjectively think that drangonhuman and rrtyui and all the other current top players are shit because this system is so obviously subjective.
Where the fuck a spoke about if PP was well balanced or not ?
Even if it was a good system or not ?
Those people who reply to look cool and funny but are not able to read properly ahah.
Why people has to be so bitter on internet ?
So you want the new players spamming threads about how they got 1 point on a map?Drezi wrote:
Why can't you understand that pp can become the new SCORE? Is it THAT hard of a concept? What makes the current number displayed after your play more scorish than the displayed value of pp? They're both numbers, one holding more meaning...
You're like "oh no pp bad, score good, you no understand ;_;" but you fail to see how score is just an arbitrary number, you admire it blindly just because right now that's the number named "score".
They could scale the pp number up by a certain value for display (for example, scale by 1,000 it so ~1pp becomes 1,241), or show decimals (the amount of pp of a play already has decimal value, it is just rounded for display).Bauxe wrote:
So you want the new players spamming threads about how they got 1 point on a map?Drezi wrote:
Why can't you understand that pp can become the new SCORE? Is it THAT hard of a concept? What makes the current number displayed after your play more scorish than the displayed value of pp? They're both numbers, one holding more meaning...
You're like "oh no pp bad, score good, you no understand ;_;" but you fail to see how score is just an arbitrary number, you admire it blindly just because right now that's the number named "score".
This is 100% subjective since that PP system and that idea of skills was implemented in addition on the basis game.jesus1412 wrote:
Why argue it's subjective when pp is clearly awarding based on skill rather objectively. Neither of us can deny these players are good, if the system was subjective then there would be people who would disagree.