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Patatitta
Button City

this game is as cute point and click game where you're a kid living in a utopia where everything is cutesy and fun and no pain exists and also everyone recycles and the cars are electric. You have a group of friends and mainly hang out around an arcade, the game revolves that arcade

the game purpouse is to be relaxing, comfortable, and dopamine inducing, the plot is very low stakes. While the game basically is very childish, I wouldn't say they're the target audience. I feel the story in a way is too tranquil to really appeal to that demographic?

I don't know, this is a game that in many ways plays with nostalgia, but not nostalgia for what you actually lived through, but a fantasized nostalgia, of a romanticized childhood that I can say with certainty no one has really lived. Living in a small house in a city with american style architecture except that it's a good city to live in and going as a kid as an arcade where the main game is a MOBA and living child cartoon level adventures

for the purpouse of the game, this works great, but I feel it's important to realize that thi was not your experience in life. With the internet and the americentrism of the internet it's easy to forget that, seeing "nostalgiacore" on the internet and feeling the need to relate

In this game there are a a few minigames, a MOBA one, a racing game one, and a rhythm game one, the rhythm game one is very simplistic, but the other 2 are really well designed, in the racing one there is snaking and the game incentivices you to discover how to snake which feels great, probably doesn't have that much depth to it but it works game for the reduced length of this game

the MOBA one is just kinda crazy, the map is interestingly design, the respawn system that basically kills spawncamping, it's actually a really solid game that if it had a little bit more content I could see it being a actual videogame

my only complaint is that the sidequest are kinda too fetch heavy?, outside that great game, placed in A tier

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next: evoland
burgernfat
since you enjoyed metro last light, would you be willing to do exodus?
Polyspora
Exodus is fun
Topic Starter
Patatitta

burgernfat wrote:

since you enjoyed metro last light, would you be willing to do exodus?
can I do metro 1 first and that way I finish all the metro
Tad Fibonacci
Metro last light's FOV makes me nausious.

Iirc even at max FOV it's at like 60 something. Terrible FOV.
burgernfat

Patatitta wrote:

burgernfat wrote:

since you enjoyed metro last light, would you be willing to do exodus?
can I do metro 1 first and that way I finish all the metro
i personally havent played 2033 so according to this thread's rules i cant suggest it but if you want to play it i'm not gonna stop you
Topic Starter
Patatitta

burgernfat wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

burgernfat wrote:

since you enjoyed metro last light, would you be willing to do exodus?
can I do metro 1 first and that way I finish all the metro
i personally havent played 2033 so according to this thread's rules i cant suggest it but if you want to play it i'm not gonna stop you
yeah i'm going to play it, will list them both
Polyspora
I played 2033, its uh not good but essential for the story
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Evoland

Good game, as a history of videogames it is lacking, but as a fun experience, it delivers

Evoland is a RPG videogame where you start in a very retro era of videogames, and you slowly go unlocking new features that in a way mimicks the actual growth and technological advances in videogames. So you first just move on a 3d space, then you unlock sound, then you unlock better graphics, etc.

This history of videogames as I say is lacking, there isn't much historical rigour if not any, this is apparent from the first moment of the videogame, where you walk right to a chest which unlocks walking left. There wasn't a moment in videogame history where you could walk right but not left. There order of unlocks and events is not accurate to reality.

But even if this is the way the game is marketed, this is not personally the way I percieved or played the videogame, and that is because the actual gameplay structure and gameplay loop of this videogame is very similar to DLC quest, a game that was also released around the same time as evoland that features a similar premise where you start with very little mechanics and go unlock them as the game progresses

from that point of view, the game is fun, it's short and it always keep a sense of relevance since every few minutes you're unlocking something new

The game is mainly divided into two gameplay styles, a FF7 clone, and a zelda clone which ends up being a diablo clone, for the diablo scenario they also mixed in MMO jokes in their equipement

I think the jokes landed, they were pretty funny

I enjoyed, placed on A tier

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next: evoland 2
reffty_gag
https://myanimelist.net/anime/49938/Ame_wo_Tsugeru_Hyouryuu_Danchi

Do you already watch it ? If no, then i req this
Topic Starter
Patatitta

reffty_gag wrote:

https://myanimelist.net/anime/49938/Ame_wo_Tsugeru_Hyouryuu_Danchi

Do you already watch it ? If no, then i req this
1- you can see if i've seen a anime or not by looking at my MAL which is on my signature
2- you already requested this, I already covered it, look at the OP, it's in there
Scyla
bocchi the rock
reffty_gag

Patatitta wrote:

reffty_gag wrote:

https://myanimelist.net/anime/49938/Ame_wo_Tsugeru_Hyouryuu_Danchi

Do you already watch it ? If no, then i req this
1- you can see if i've seen a anime or not by looking at my MAL which is on my signature
2- you already requested this, I already covered it, look at the OP, it's in there
oh shit, my bad
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Scyla wrote:

bocchi the rock
already covered
Behrauder
Patatitta wrote here:

would have liked the railgun character as i'm actively watching the anime rn

roll all
I'm recommending the anime.

By the way, did you know that a new season has been announced?
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Behrauder wrote:

Patatitta wrote here:

would have liked the railgun character as i'm actively watching the anime rn

roll all
I'm recommending the anime.

By the way, did you know that a new season has been announced?
yes, I know, also I will review it whenever I finish season 3 so between today and tomorrow

also, update on evoland 2: i'm working on it
TeeArctic1
Uhh checked my steam library, think these are some of those I found

Night in the Woods
Ori and the Blind Forest
This War of Mine
Bastion
Shovel Knight
Getting Over It (I have to inflict at least a little agony)
Topic Starter
Patatitta

TeeArctic1 wrote:

Uhh checked my steam library, think these are some of those I found

Night in the Woods
Ori and the Blind Forest
This War of Mine
Bastion
Shovel Knight
Getting Over It (I have to inflict at least a little agony)
out of those I accept night in the wood, this war of mine, and bastion, since I have not much to say about gameplay centric games (tho i've already played ori, shovel knight and getting over it LOL), out of those, I have already completed night in the woods, soooo


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Night in the woods

really good

Night in the woods is a game that I wouldn't really know how to describe with a genre. There is no real gameplay, you just walk around and talk to people. It's a narrative focused game first and it shows

the game is about a university students who drops out and returns to her decadent small american town, where she reunites with her old group of friends and then shit happens

The plot is very introspective, it's entirerily surrounding the protagonist psyche and the systems at hand that led her to that situation. The protagonist of night in the woods is very much kind of an asshole, however, the longer you play the game the more you understand why she acts like that, it doesn't imply that it's justified or the correct thing to do but you do understand her. Even when the plot gets crazier later, everything can be understood and taken as a metaphor, a representation of herself and her wellbeing

The way the dialogue is written feels very natural, and I would attribute it to a writing trend that has taken over indie gaming that maybe you could trace back to undertale. Whenever you play a AAA. Since forever, whenever you read a book or watch a movie, that dialogue isn't 1:1 what would be said IRL. It is more poetic, it is more contrived to keep the plot going, but if you look at night in the woods you would find the dialogue more raw, and that is because it doesn't take inspiration from the way dialogue is written in novels and films, but on how we communicate over the internet

this gives the dialogue a much different feel. It's sloppier it's dumber it uses less complex vocabulary but that is what makes it feel real. The game is also very slice of life-ish, as the game is just about the protagonist trying to live her daily life in peace and trying to find her way forward in life, so there isn't that constant tension of "oh we need to have this character just do exposition dialogue oh we need to make the protagonist say this to advance the plot"

placed in A rank, really great videogames, will update the tier list in a few hours as I can't do so rn

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still playing evoland 2, i'm close to getting the fragment of time so you can locate in what part of my playthrough I am rn
Offdensen
I have another one for you! Aqua Teen Hunger Force!
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Offdensen wrote:

I have another one for you! Aqua Teen Hunger Force!
12 seasons no thank you
Offdensen

Patatitta wrote:

Offdensen wrote:

I have another one for you! Aqua Teen Hunger Force!
12 seasons no thank you
You don't have to go in order at all, the show has no plot really
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Offdensen wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Offdensen wrote:

I have another one for you! Aqua Teen Hunger Force!
12 seasons no thank you
You don't have to go in order at all, the show has no plot really
that's a extra denied then, the things I do usually have plot
Offdensen

Patatitta wrote:

Offdensen wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Offdensen wrote:

I have another one for you! Aqua Teen Hunger Force!
12 seasons no thank you
You don't have to go in order at all, the show has no plot really
that's a extra denied then, the things I do usually have plot
ok thats fair
Rezq Gokou
watch The Apothecary Diaries
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Rezq Gokou wrote:

watch The Apothecary Diaries
wait until S2 finishes, then request again, tho I will say that i've watched the anime and manga and I enjoyed it
Rezq Gokou

Patatitta wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

watch The Apothecary Diaries
wait until S2 finishes, then request again, tho I will say that i've watched the anime and manga and I enjoyed it
wait, S2 is airing?
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Rezq Gokou wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

watch The Apothecary Diaries
wait until S2 finishes, then request again, tho I will say that i've watched the anime and manga and I enjoyed it
wait, S2 is airing?
... yes
TeeArctic1

Patatitta wrote:

TeeArctic1 wrote:

Uhh checked my steam library, think these are some of those I found

Night in the Woods
Ori and the Blind Forest
This War of Mine
Bastion
Shovel Knight
Getting Over It (I have to inflict at least a little agony)
out of those I accept night in the wood, this war of mine, and bastion, since I have not much to say about gameplay centric games (tho i've already played ori, shovel knight and getting over it LOL), out of those, I have already completed night in the woods, soooo


---------------

Night in the woods

really good

Night in the woods is a game that I wouldn't really know how to describe with a genre. There is no real gameplay, you just walk around and talk to people. It's a narrative focused game first and it shows

the game is about a university students who drops out and returns to her decadent small american town, where she reunites with her old group of friends and then shit happens

The plot is very introspective, it's entirerily surrounding the protagonist psyche and the systems at hand that led her to that situation. The protagonist of night in the woods is very much kind of an asshole, however, the longer you play the game the more you understand why she acts like that, it doesn't imply that it's justified or the correct thing to do but you do understand her. Even when the plot gets crazier later, everything can be understood and taken as a metaphor, a representation of herself and her wellbeing

The way the dialogue is written feels very natural, and I would attribute it to a writing trend that has taken over indie gaming that maybe you could trace back to undertale. Whenever you play a AAA. Since forever, whenever you read a book or watch a movie, that dialogue isn't 1:1 what would be said IRL. It is more poetic, it is more contrived to keep the plot going, but if you look at night in the woods you would find the dialogue more raw, and that is because it doesn't take inspiration from the way dialogue is written in novels and films, but on how we communicate over the internet

this gives the dialogue a much different feel. It's sloppier it's dumber it uses less complex vocabulary but that is what makes it feel real. The game is also very slice of life-ish, as the game is just about the protagonist trying to live her daily life in peace and trying to find her way forward in life, so there isn't that constant tension of "oh we need to have this character just do exposition dialogue oh we need to make the protagonist say this to advance the plot"

placed in A rank, really great videogames, will update the tier list in a few hours as I can't do so rn

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still playing evoland 2, i'm close to getting the fragment of time so you can locate in what part of my playthrough I am rn
Nice, I'll catch a couple more good quick story games for when you're done with those
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Railgun:

It's a fun anime, but far from a well written anime

Railgun is a spinoff of index, which I haven't seen, it's about this girl, misaka, who lives in this cool city where some people have powers and she is just one of the strongest. There is no real ovearching plot to railgun, there are different arcs and villains misaka must defeat but that's about it

railgun is a anime that is made to be able to run forever, you can just keep adding arcs and arcs until you get bored and then you put a big villain that makes reference to everything else and then for the defeat of them to mark the end of the show

the main cast is solid with the exception of kuroko, whose whole thing is that she is madly in love with misaka and she just constantly sexually harasseses her in a way that it's meant to be funny

there isn't much of character growth, in fact that's the biggest problem of the anime IMO. In some of the early arcs misaka gets in problems because she isn't very trusting of her friends, for in the end learn that they should trust them more and solve it for then to repeat it in following arcs. In fact starting s2 the story tries to kinda write off every character but miaska from the anime, which is interesting

the fanservice is also really bad, there is a lot of it and it adds nothing

having said all of that, I had fun and while I admit it's not very polished the clone arc of s2 felt cool enough for me. Placed in A rank.
Rezq Gokou

Patatitta wrote:

Railgun:

It's a fun anime, but far from a well written anime

Railgun is a spinoff of index, which I haven't seen, it's about this girl, misaka, who lives in this cool city where some people have powers and she is just one of the strongest. There is no real ovearching plot to railgun, there are different arcs and villains misaka must defeat but that's about it

railgun is a anime that is made to be able to run forever, you can just keep adding arcs and arcs until you get bored and then you put a big villain that makes reference to everything else and then for the defeat of them to mark the end of the show

the main cast is solid with the exception of kuroko, whose whole thing is that she is madly in love with misaka and she just constantly sexually harasseses her in a way that it's meant to be funny

there isn't much of character growth, in fact that's the biggest problem of the anime IMO. In some of the early arcs misaka gets in problems because she isn't very trusting of her friends, for in the end learn that they should trust them more and solve it for then to repeat it in following arcs. In fact starting s2 the story tries to kinda write off every character but miaska from the anime, which is interesting

the fanservice is also really bad, there is a lot of it and it adds nothing

having said all of that, I had fun and while I admit it's not very polished the clone arc of s2 felt cool enough for me. Placed in A rank.
Speaking of the Toaru series. Have you done accelerator?
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Rezq Gokou wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Railgun:

It's a fun anime, but far from a well written anime

Railgun is a spinoff of index, which I haven't seen, it's about this girl, misaka, who lives in this cool city where some people have powers and she is just one of the strongest. There is no real ovearching plot to railgun, there are different arcs and villains misaka must defeat but that's about it

railgun is a anime that is made to be able to run forever, you can just keep adding arcs and arcs until you get bored and then you put a big villain that makes reference to everything else and then for the defeat of them to mark the end of the show

the main cast is solid with the exception of kuroko, whose whole thing is that she is madly in love with misaka and she just constantly sexually harasseses her in a way that it's meant to be funny

there isn't much of character growth, in fact that's the biggest problem of the anime IMO. In some of the early arcs misaka gets in problems because she isn't very trusting of her friends, for in the end learn that they should trust them more and solve it for then to repeat it in following arcs. In fact starting s2 the story tries to kinda write off every character but miaska from the anime, which is interesting

the fanservice is also really bad, there is a lot of it and it adds nothing

having said all of that, I had fun and while I admit it's not very polished the clone arc of s2 felt cool enough for me. Placed in A rank.
Speaking of the Toaru series. Have you done accelerator?
I have only seen railgun
Behrauder

Patatitta wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Railgun:

It's a fun anime, but far from a well written anime

Railgun is a spinoff of index, which I haven't seen, it's about this girl, misaka, who lives in this cool city where some people have powers and she is just one of the strongest. There is no real ovearching plot to railgun, there are different arcs and villains misaka must defeat but that's about it

railgun is a anime that is made to be able to run forever, you can just keep adding arcs and arcs until you get bored and then you put a big villain that makes reference to everything else and then for the defeat of them to mark the end of the show

the main cast is solid with the exception of kuroko, whose whole thing is that she is madly in love with misaka and she just constantly sexually harasseses her in a way that it's meant to be funny

there isn't much of character growth, in fact that's the biggest problem of the anime IMO. In some of the early arcs misaka gets in problems because she isn't very trusting of her friends, for in the end learn that they should trust them more and solve it for then to repeat it in following arcs. In fact starting s2 the story tries to kinda write off every character but miaska from the anime, which is interesting

the fanservice is also really bad, there is a lot of it and it adds nothing

having said all of that, I had fun and while I admit it's not very polished the clone arc of s2 felt cool enough for me. Placed in A rank.
Speaking of the Toaru series. Have you done accelerator?
I have only seen railgun
I think it's worth it, I'm recommending Accelerator.
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Behrauder wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Railgun:

It's a fun anime, but far from a well written anime

Railgun is a spinoff of index, which I haven't seen, it's about this girl, misaka, who lives in this cool city where some people have powers and she is just one of the strongest. There is no real ovearching plot to railgun, there are different arcs and villains misaka must defeat but that's about it

railgun is a anime that is made to be able to run forever, you can just keep adding arcs and arcs until you get bored and then you put a big villain that makes reference to everything else and then for the defeat of them to mark the end of the show

the main cast is solid with the exception of kuroko, whose whole thing is that she is madly in love with misaka and she just constantly sexually harasseses her in a way that it's meant to be funny

there isn't much of character growth, in fact that's the biggest problem of the anime IMO. In some of the early arcs misaka gets in problems because she isn't very trusting of her friends, for in the end learn that they should trust them more and solve it for then to repeat it in following arcs. In fact starting s2 the story tries to kinda write off every character but miaska from the anime, which is interesting

the fanservice is also really bad, there is a lot of it and it adds nothing

having said all of that, I had fun and while I admit it's not very polished the clone arc of s2 felt cool enough for me. Placed in A rank.
Speaking of the Toaru series. Have you done accelerator?
I have only seen railgun
I think it's worth it, I'm recommending Accelerator.
should I watch index first
Behrauder

Patatitta wrote:

Behrauder wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Rezq Gokou wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Railgun:

It's a fun anime, but far from a well written anime

Railgun is a spinoff of index, which I haven't seen, it's about this girl, misaka, who lives in this cool city where some people have powers and she is just one of the strongest. There is no real ovearching plot to railgun, there are different arcs and villains misaka must defeat but that's about it

railgun is a anime that is made to be able to run forever, you can just keep adding arcs and arcs until you get bored and then you put a big villain that makes reference to everything else and then for the defeat of them to mark the end of the show

the main cast is solid with the exception of kuroko, whose whole thing is that she is madly in love with misaka and she just constantly sexually harasseses her in a way that it's meant to be funny

there isn't much of character growth, in fact that's the biggest problem of the anime IMO. In some of the early arcs misaka gets in problems because she isn't very trusting of her friends, for in the end learn that they should trust them more and solve it for then to repeat it in following arcs. In fact starting s2 the story tries to kinda write off every character but miaska from the anime, which is interesting

the fanservice is also really bad, there is a lot of it and it adds nothing

having said all of that, I had fun and while I admit it's not very polished the clone arc of s2 felt cool enough for me. Placed in A rank.
Speaking of the Toaru series. Have you done accelerator?
I have only seen railgun
I think it's worth it, I'm recommending Accelerator.
should I watch index first
What I think:
If I'm not mistaken, you've already started watching in the "wrong order" (I don't know of any alternative order that begins with all three seasons of Railgun first, as this might make things more confusing later), so I'm not sure, but I don't remember Accelerator appearing much in Index (though I don’t remember much about the Toaru series). Index is a bit different and longer, so I think watching Accelerator now would be fine.

What ChatGPT thinks:
Since you've already watched all of Railgun, I think it's better to watch Index next. Accelerator does appear in Index, but his role is not as prominent at first. Index is longer and introduces key story elements, so watching it first will help you understand everything better. But if you really want to see more of Accelerator right now, you can watch his spin-off first—just keep in mind that Index II will provide more context for his story.

Summary: Your advice is not completely wrong, but it could lead to a confusing path. It would be better to recommend Index before Accelerator to keep the story more coherent. 🚀
Topic Starter
Patatitta
okay I will watch accelerator without having seen index, and for the love of god please don't give me chatGPT recommendations in this thread I will waterboard you and your whole family
Behrauder

Patatitta wrote:

okay I will watch accelerator without having seen index, and for the love of god please don't give me chatGPT recommendations in this thread I will waterboard you and your whole family
ChatGPT said that me recommending Accelerator before Index was a bad idea, but ok.
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Behrauder wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

okay I will watch accelerator without having seen index, and for the love of god please don't give me chatGPT recommendations in this thread I will waterboard you and your whole family
ChatGPT said that me recommending Accelerator before Index was a bad idea, but ok.
I don't care what chatGPT says
Rezq Gokou

Patatitta wrote:

Behrauder wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

okay I will watch accelerator without having seen index, and for the love of god please don't give me chatGPT recommendations in this thread I will waterboard you and your whole family
ChatGPT said that me recommending Accelerator before Index was a bad idea, but ok.
I don't care what chatGPT says
I don't think it would be much of a deal. You already watched railgun after all
Achromalia
oops i saw 3-gatsu no lion mentioned and realized that was something i happened to watch and like a lot

i dont entirely remember why, though...

...the soundtrack is so tasty sometimes too oh goddd i forget the exact songs im thinking of but... there was one titled kinda like "black swamp"???? and two more that i dont remember at all but also included in music playlists

you may be recording thoughts on it anyway but this is a formal request to refresh my memory... unless it was requested earlier bc im that lazy rn

some parts outside the shogi matches confused me or felt hard to digest but i dont know exactly how/why/when, i just know it involved that one character and her dynamic w the protagonist, and then that one character near the end that the protagonist or the protagonist's mentor played(?) against

or maybe i misremembered which one that was
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Achromalia wrote:

oops i saw 3-gatsu no lion mentioned and realized that was something i happened to watch and like a lot

i dont entirely remember why, though...

...the soundtrack is so tasty sometimes too oh goddd i forget the exact songs im thinking of but... there was one titled kinda like "black swamp"???? and two more that i dont remember at all but also included in music playlists

you may be recording thoughts on it anyway but this is a formal request to refresh my memory... unless it was requested earlier bc im that lazy rn

some parts outside the shogi matches confused me or felt hard to digest but i dont know exactly how/why/when, i just know it involved that one character and her dynamic w the protagonist, and then that one character near the end that the protagonist or the protagonist's mentor played(?) against

or maybe i misremembered which one that was
are you commenting on something? requesting the anime? requesting the manga? not very clear
Achromalia
requesting the anime specifically bc thats what i watched ^^

"somethibg i ha0pened to watch" and "formally requesting" were intended to clear it up a little but the format (i assume?) was... not the clearest;;
Topic Starter
Patatitta
okay, noted, normally I would just ask to talk about the manga but given that you've requested that knowing that I had already read the manga I assume that wont fly
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Evoland 2:

ngl, it was dissapointing

Evoland 1 was a very short and sweet game where the game mechanics were consistently evolving (as the name implies) so it never overstayed it's welcome and constantly felt fresh, evoland 2 is a lot bigger in scope, it's longer and they had more of a budget, but I think a lot of what made evoland 1 good was lost in evoland 2

Evoland 2 doesn't share that same core idea of starting at retro gaming and moving into modern day, instead, it's closer to a chrono trigger inspired RPG, with the gimmick that it consistently changes it's playability with each section. You got your zelda type combat like in the first game, you also got your ATB combat which still fucking sucks ass I hate ATB but that is a lot more reduced, in top of that you throw in tactic combats like in fire emblem, shoot em up/bullet hell mode like in touhou, beat em up combat like streets of rage, etc

I don't dislike the playability of any of these modes (except atb), but as they're just short segments they don't really go indepth, this was also the case for evoland 1. If the section is going to be short and sweet you're not going to actually put all the complexity of fire emblem or a turn based combat as carefully designed as chained echoes, again, the problem is that in evoland 2 these sections are way longer, so that lack of depth and progression really start to hurt the game

it's also a lot more confusing, while evoland 1 was a very lineal game with every new unlock giving you a clue on what you need to do to move onto the next segment, evoland 2 doesn't have that same sense of direction now that you're not constantly unlocking mechanics. It doesn't help that at one point in the game you're just told you need to obtain 5 thingies and that you can tackle them in any order. Still, it's not as confusing where you MUST use a guide to understand how to progress, if you put in the time you will find the way forward no problem, but it's still enough of a inconvenience that for me it was just more fun to open up a guide

the plot is there, it exists, and it's way more of a focus than in evoland 2. It brings out a few interesting questions with the time travel stuff, problem is that they do their best to avoid answering the questions in a way that feel meaningful. For example, in the plot the future is fucked and the protagonist wants to change it, but the hero's party also has a member that is from the past, and from their pov the present of our protagonist is actually apocalyptic and they argue that they should the past to prevent their present. Problem is that in order for them to solve this fairly interesting point they just introduce a cosmic beyond-time big bad that everyone can agree that they must defeat. So that whole point of whose future should be preserved is just left in the dust

sadly placed in D tier, still, pretty good to get both evoland 1 and 2 out of my plan to play, thay had ben there for a couple years

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next: metro 2033
Topic Starter
Patatitta
A Certain Scientific Accelerator
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bad

this is yet another spinoff of index (i've not seen index) which follows the character accelerator. In many ways this anime is a expanded version or a companion to what is IMO the best arc in railgun, which makes this all the more dissapointing

accelerator doesn't have a very strong cast of characters, accelerator by itself feels like a very plain character, it feels very two-dimensional, very "i'm borderline psychotic!" and that never changes, it's not as bad when it's a throaway villain in a action anime which is meant to run forever, like railgun, but when they're the main character, it's ehhhhh

and then you have the clones, which were interesting when combined with misaka, but on their own they don't have very much charm

the actual plot doesn't really do anythign particullary interesting, it doesn't raise questions or really try much at all, ot's mostly "look how strong accelerator is!" for 12 episodes

it's just a very plain, boring, forgettable anime

placed in d rank

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next: 3-gatsu no lion (anime)

have yet to start metro
MangaGrumpy
Baby Invasion… I just watched it… what the heck? Why do I love it?
Topic Starter
Patatitta

MangaGrumpy wrote:

Baby Invasion… I just watched it… what the heck? Why do I love it?
this?

https://letterboxd.com/film/baby-invasion/
MangaGrumpy

Patatitta wrote:

MangaGrumpy wrote:

Baby Invasion… I just watched it… what the heck? Why do I love it?
this?

https://letterboxd.com/film/baby-invasion/
Yes
Topic Starter
Patatitta
it's by the director of gummo so idk what to expect, accepted
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Metro 2033
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like the sequel, but worse

I really don't have much to say, everything that applies to last light applies to this one, games are almost the same both in gameplay and graphically, the only thing that changes is the story, which is worse than in last light, mainly I just found very annoying all the times artyom was about to die only to be saved by something

morality system is still bad

Placed in B rank

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3-gatsu no lion

already had read the manga but I was requested to watch the anime

3-gatsu no lion is a anime about this child prodigy shogi trying to navigate life, having to manage school, family, friends, shogi, etc. It's a really beautiful and melancholic anime.

Whenever we hear about a child prodigy or whatever IRL we always make the (incorrect) assumption that they're going to have it easy in life, that they will only continue to improve, this anime argues that it's not true, that they may be smart at shogi but that doesn't mean life is any less complicated, that his position in lie is actively alienating and borderline detrimental in certain aspects. However the protagonist is never ungrateful for their life, they realize all of this, yet they don't reject is as they can see that every path in life will have it's own complications, it's just that theirs is a little bit more unique.

The anime has a strong focus on personal growth and realization. Every character in this anime is at a crossroads in life, they are at critical ages, they are leading with problems with deep ramifications, and how everyone leads with it and express their frustrations in different ways.

You are not meant to agree with every action taken by every character, in fact that is nearly impossible to do given that there are many conflicting viewpoints, but they make sure that you understand their thought process. The protagonist not only has very intense narration, but their thoughts are displayed in shogi. Shogi is a slow sport and extremely mental, so it fits really well with the tone of the anime. Add a little bit of storytelling magic and now you got very poetic matches that tie in with what every character is going through

This is not a new concept, 3-gatsu no lion isn't breaking new ground with this, sport anime has already been doing this for decades, I'm just pointing it works really well on 3-gatsu no lion

this anime doesn't really have a single message on what you should in life or what lessons it's trying to teach, but it's more inviting you to reflect and just think about things. How you interpret the situation and what lessons you take from everything is left up to the viewer.

now, a small complaint that I know it's just a me thing. In S2 there is a bullying arc, I feel it's meant to be very emotional and stuff but it just didn't hit for me. The anime up to that point hadn't been exactly emotional, the characters were going through emotional things yes, but me as the viewer, was looking at it thinking about the situation, trying to interpret it and learn from it, my emotions were not 1:1 the ones with the characters on screen. In that arc they pump the emotion up to 11, but I just couldn't get into it. This wasn't a anime I was watching with my guard down, the pacing was not there either, and whenever you see something that you know it's meant to be emotional but you don't really feel it just feels really bad

now as I said at the beginning, I have read the manga (it's still ongoing but i've read more than what is adapted so far), so how does it hold with the original material? In general it has a very different tone, the manga is very, very, very text heavy. It's in fact overwhelming, just having this complete avalanche of thoughts, having 3 different ongoing conversations in a single episode mixing narration, thought process and actual conversation. The anime is A LOT easier to watch than the manga is to read. This is neither positive or negative, it's just a different experience. Personally I enjoyed the manga more as I think it aligned more with the way I was reading it.

here are two manga pages to show what i'm taling about



and now from a different chapter
it's a lot at first glance, it's in many ways borderline scary whenever you turn the page and see that

now for the animation, I think it was quite good, it has this more traditional japanese artstyle that I think really feets well with the central theme of shogi. The manga has really good paneling as well but that as we know can't be translated into anime.

I think it was quite good even if I enjoyed it a little bit less than the manga, A rank.

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next: metro exodus and baby invasion

however, there is a problem with metro exodus. I need to do some testing but I think my PC can't run the game, I will try now but if it's true I can't run the game I will be forced to drop it
Topic Starter
Patatitta
update: yeah no I can't run metro exodus, skipping to the next: This War of Mine
Topic Starter
Patatitta
baby invasion

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Baby Invasion is a experimental movie made gummo's director Harmony Korine. The gimmick of this movie is that it's some sort of gameplay for a hyper realistic videogame called "Baby Invasion", in this game it's not very clear what you do. The movie is essentially plotless, this is a vibes movie.

The movie is just this guy walking around with a first person, fish eye lens camera attached to the head POV, with 4:3 screen resolution, random twitch chat overlapping and facecam appearing and disappearing at random intervals.

This movie fundamentally doesn't understend gaming, streaming or the internet. First of all, the game (and the movie in general) is really fucking boring, whenever you say you want a hyperrealistic game, what follows after is usually hyperviolence, of which this movie has little. So the fact that this would even have a audience of twitch chat members is honestly unrealistic

secondly, this chat is in russian, japanese, english and spanish, I only speak the later two languages, but i'm pretty sure the spanish comments are either created by chatGPT or google translate. The way this is written is like a film/book guy trying to write twitch chat, not how twitch chat actually is or how people in the internet actually speak.

I say chatGPT because this movie already uses AI extensively to cover the face of the actors and for a couple extra things

Another thing that annoys me is that the movie, the gameplay has cuts, but the chat is uninterrupted, if this is another vibes choices I don't get it

the actual "game" also has minigames and shit in it, in general it's just again, all vibes but completely and utterly nonsensical

One point of the movie is that it's so realistic that you can't know if it's a videogame or reality, which would be a interesting point if they did anything with it

to finish off, I read the wikipedia article on this movie and found this interesting paragraph

wikipedia wrote:

Baby Invasion premiered out of competition at the 81st Venice International Film Festival on August 31, 2024.[1] During the Venice press conference, Korine sat next to visual effects artist Joao Rosa and fellow filmmaker Gaspar Noé, who was wearing a neon green mask, and smoked a cigar, causing smoke to fill the conference room. He expressed that "Hollywood ... would be smart to — encourage the youth, the kids. Why we're starting to see Hollywood crumble creatively is because they’re losing a lot of the most creative minds to gaming and to streaming. They're so locked in on convention and then all those kids who are so creative are now just going to find other pathways and go to other places because movies are no longer the dominant art form." He also revealed that, "When we release the film, there'll be a way to watch it through your phone, but there'll be certain codes within the movie that'll take you to other movies. So the film, what you're seeing, is just a base layer film. There'll be three or four other sub films."[5]
I have no words

placed on how could you do this to me tier

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nothing else to watch, going to keep playing this war of mine now, already tried 30 minutes but it isn't hitting, let's see if I can get into it or not
Topic Starter
Patatitta
this war of mine (dropped)

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sadly could not get into it :(

this war of mine is a resource management game about the horrors of war. You manage a small refugee colony inside a warzone, during the day yo ueat and craft, during the night you scavange for resoruces. The game is heavily random, it's unfair, it's a bad experience, but this is on purpouse, as war is like this

my problem is the gameplay. You're in a refugee situation, it's meant to be tense and awful and scary, this game is not doing that for me, I don't feel tension, I kinda just feel... bored, I know it's probably heartless of me but I don't think the gameplay is doing a good job of getting me into that state of mind it seeks. The day segments involve a lot of waiting, and so far it's not like i'm running out of time to do whatever I need to do, the night segment are a bit better but savescumming is way too powerful as you can restart from the beginning of the day without much cost, and you can keep rerolling until the RNG is good enough and you find a good enough route

you may say "well then just stop savescumming" but honestly, what's the difference between restarting a single day and restarting the whole playthrough?, the second one takes more time, but that's about it, in both cases you're just rerolling until you learn of a good route and get good RNG

it's a shame because this company/studio actually made my favourite resource managing game, frostpunk, which actually completely solves this problem, it's extremely tense and feels frustrating just in the right way, you think you're doing so good and then everything goes to shit, with frostpunk savescumming does not work since it's often mistakes you did like an hour ago biting you in the ass now, so you're meant to start a new playthrough, however the difference between one playthrough and the next is massive, as there is A LOT more of a learning curve and optimization than this war of mine

placed in D rank

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next: bastion
Reyalp51
play lsd dream emulator until you get tired because you aint beating that
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Reyalp51 wrote:

play lsd dream emulator until you get tired because you aint beating that
idk, I already did yume nikki and I don't think i'km going to have that different of thoughts, also, it's not exactly the type of game I cover
burgernfat
tobacco, a book by dimitar dimov. if you happen to find 2 versions of the book by chance, go with the 1 tome version
Topic Starter
Patatitta

burgernfat wrote:

tobacco, a book by dimitar dimov. if you happen to find 2 versions of the book by chance, go with the 1 tome version
accepted
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Patatitta wrote:

burgernfat wrote:

tobacco, a book by dimitar dimov. if you happen to find 2 versions of the book by chance, go with the 1 tome version
accepted
I am completely unable to find a copy, if you manage to locate one in either spanish or english please dm me it
TeeArctic1
Might become pretty busy over the next couple weeks so just dropping in to dump my suggestions. Scoured for a bit, feel free to pick and choose whichever ones you want:

  1. My child Lebensborn
  2. In Stars and Time
  3. Before Your Eyes
  4. Brothers a Tale of Two Sons
  5. Grim Fandango
  6. Spiritfarer
  7. Oxenfree
  8. Transistor
  9. Return of the Obra Dinn
  10. LISA: The Painful
  11. Blasphemous
Hopefully some of them pique your interest
Topic Starter
Patatitta

TeeArctic1 wrote:

Might become pretty busy over the next couple weeks so just dropping in to dump my suggestions. Scoured for a bit, feel free to pick and choose whichever ones you want:

  1. My child Lebensborn
  2. In Stars and Time
  3. Before Your Eyes
  4. Brothers a Tale of Two Sons
  5. Grim Fandango
  6. Spiritfarer
  7. Oxenfree
  8. Transistor
  9. Return of the Obra Dinn
  10. LISA: The Painful
  11. Blasphemous
Hopefully some of them pique your interest
In stars and time is my favourite videogame, may talk about it if i'm feeling like it
lisa is already reviewed
blasphemous I already played, met one of the devs at a convention once in fact
spiritfarer I have already played

I may probably add transistor to the queue since i'm really enjoying bastion and they are made by the same company
Karmine
Grim fandango is great, never finished it but loved it.
tapperruiii
onimai.
Topic Starter
Patatitta

tapperruiii wrote:

onimai.
are you being serious?
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Bastion

Solid game

Bastion is the first game by supergiant games, this game was a hit on it's own right, but they're mostly known today as the creators of hades, (fantastic game btw).

The gampeplay is actually not that different from hades, they're both relatively fast paced action games where you unlock a lot of new weapons and fighting styles with a fair ammount of metaprogression, the difference is that hades is a roguelike and this isn't. This game actually just features a very traditional, very tipical level selection screen

there isn't that much in terms to plot to go through, while there is a plot, It's not really the focus, I feel the point was the combat, which was fun

ost is pretty solid, I actually had listened to that last song somewhere before and I was like "holy shit so this is where it comes from"

I don't really have much to say about the game in general, it was fun, I enjoyed, not the type of game I would usually cover in this thread but since I knew I was going to finish it anyways, eh, why not

placed in B rank

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next: transistor, I want to clear out the supergiant catalogue
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Transistor

pleasently surprised, good game

Another game by supergiant games, creators of bastion, the previous game I covered. This game is about this singer girl who picks up a super cool technological sword that gives her powers and it's her duty to restore the world, funny that both bastion and this are about restoring the world

the game is once again, a top down hack and slash, however this is more original than bastion and I would even say more original than hades, the game by itself is very fast, you're going to be overwhelmed easily, but you can quite literally stop time, planify your moves and then do a perfect sequence, and you can do that on a cooldown, I really liked this, adds more tactical depth to the combats above just "go hit things very fast very hard"

the skill system is also generally pretty genius, you have 4 ability slots and a lot of skill functions, every skill function can also be applied as a mod for another function or as a passive. Most of these effects aren't very different to what the base attack does, so you can just have the skill of shooting a laser with the debuff and damage of the melee attack, which makes it fairly well balanced

now for me the best part is how they force you to make lots of different builds. If everything is well balanced and new skills don't power creep, how do you encourage the player to experiment?, in this game, after you lose all your health, you don't die, instead, you regen to max health BUT you lose a function you're currently using, and that function won't be available until 2 checkpoints later. Meaning, you once again have to go to the drawing board and design a new build

it's hard to die, but at the same time the is tension because you don't want to lose your super cool build, but again, not losing makes it not very likely that you lose progress, which feels bad

now, having said that, I kinda wish the game was harder. The game has this thing called limiters that you can use to buff enemies, kinda how you can increase the difficulty of your runs in hades or how you can buff enemies in bastion, this carries with itself a xp boost but honestly it's so small that if you turn it on it's mostly because of you wanting a harder difficulty

even with all my available limiters on, the game was really never that hard, so for me to lose a function was difficult and only happened a few times during the playthrough, I wish I was forced to experiment even harder. Bastion defenitively felt like a harder game, I didn't go all blessings on that game, but that also may just be me being better at strategy than real time action combat

The game is also very short, I beat it in only 3 days playing maybe a hour and a half each day, which, honestly good length

I really don't have much to comment on the story, it's cleary not the focus and everything in terms of worldbuilding and plot is very limited

ost is good as usual

placed on A rank

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i'm going to be playing Pyre to finish out the SuperGiant games library but since that hasn't been requested i'm not going to cover it, going to label the queue as empty for now
abraker

Patatitta wrote:

Transistor

pleasently surprised, good game
ooooo I remem playing this game back in 2014. I liked the deco vibes
Topic Starter
Patatitta

abraker wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Transistor

pleasently surprised, good game
ooooo I remem playing this game back in 2014. I liked the deco vibes
ngl I think the "deco vibes" actively retracted from my experience because i'm studying IT and this game is all about technology and that sort of stuff and like the skills are functions and are written like a function so I come back tired from thinking about code and then I Breach(); and I go fuck off
Ymir
The Dry

Australian Film, good
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Ymir wrote:

The Dry

Australian Film, good
sure
Topic Starter
Patatitta
The Dry

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not very strong opinions about this one

this movie is your typical obsessive detective investigates murder in small town, it really does not do anything that you haven't seen alerady a bunch of times, it's more of the same for people who are into that. It's quiet and slow to give this feeling of complexity and drama but it doesn't really say anything particullary deep

the biggest attraction of this movie is that it's a australian movie about australia, but i'm not australian so idk

placed in C rank
Karmine
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Karmine wrote:

The Hollow Point
sure
Topic Starter
Patatitta
The Hollow Point

I completely forgot to write about this movie, I think that showcases my thoughts on this perfectly

It's just bad, it features a very simple and unoriginal western story, with some famous actors on it but that's about it, while the actors themselves are famous the general level of acting in this movie is pretty bad and idk I think i've already forgotten about the plot of this movie

how did you even discover this movie/why did you think of requesting it?

placed in D rank
Karmine
Tbh I mostly forgot about it too lol I don't know why I randomly remembered it.

It's not that bad though.
reffty_gag
The Caricature of Reincarnation (manga)

this is my first manga i read (it's just a random manga my brother found at the book store), and i hate it but keep reading it for no reason. anyway i can guess your rating (it's C or B)
Topic Starter
Patatitta

reffty_gag wrote:

The Caricature of Reincarnation (manga)

this is my first manga i read (it's just a random manga my brother found at the book store), and i hate it but keep reading it for no reason. anyway i can guess your rating (it's C or B)
this?, if it's that one, then it's not fully scanlated, so I can't really read it
reffty_gag

Patatitta wrote:

reffty_gag wrote:

The Caricature of Reincarnation (manga)

this is my first manga i read (it's just a random manga my brother found at the book store), and i hate it but keep reading it for no reason. anyway i can guess your rating (it's C or B)
this?, if it's that one, then it's not fully scanlated, so I can't really read it
its ok brotha
reffty_gag
Topic Starter
Patatitta
already watched flcl not too fond of it will write later and also will watch lycoris
Corne2Plum3
Snow White 2025 :troll_face:
frothyyy
are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Snow White 2025 :troll_face:
it requires for you to have seen the movie


frothyyy wrote:

are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
I love ultrakill, however it's neither story focused or finished so i'm going to have to pass
Topic Starter
Patatitta
FLCL

it's fineeeeeeeee

FLCL is a 6 episode OVA mecha anime created by gainax, most famously the studio behind evangelion. It's short, and it places all of it's bets on the animation. The story isn't bad by any means, but it really feels they're just letting the animation and comedy breathe rather than try to tell a super deep complex storyline

the actual animation is pretty neat, there are some pretty original shots like the manga one in chapter 1 and the end and the famous 3d rotating shock gif that you've seen hundreds of time



now, did I actually laugh that much while watching it?, no, not really

do I feel that the animation is actually really fucking interesting outside it being a neat comedy piece?, no, not really, while it is avant garde it doesn't really do anything that I go "oh more animes should adapt this" or did it have anything where I go "ohh so flcl coined this technique"

I feel a lot of the fame this anime has mainly comes from the cult following studio gainax has developed over the years, but personally it just didn't hit that much

placed in C rank
frothyyy

Patatitta wrote:

frothyyy wrote:

are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
I love ultrakill, however it's neither story focused or finished so i'm going to have to pass
haha that's fine! what about a review of just shapes and beats? it's a completed story and i would like to hear your opinion on it
Noreu

frothyyy wrote:

are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
i love that game so fucking bad that ive speedrunned through it and played it for hours lmao
reffty_gag

Noreu wrote:

frothyyy wrote:

are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
i love that game so fucking bad that ive speedrunned through it and played it for hours lmao
818,5 HOURSS ???????
Noreu
wanna see what those hands can do?


theres more speedruns in my channel if you wanna see lmfao
reffty_gag

Noreu wrote:

wanna see what those hands can do?


theres more speedruns in my channel if you wanna see lmfao
OKAY OKAY OKAY
Noreu

reffty_gag wrote:

Noreu wrote:

wanna see what those hands can do?


theres more speedruns in my channel if you wanna see lmfao
OKAY OKAY OKAY
I WAS SO SHOCKED THAT IDK HOW TO REACT..
frothyyy

Noreu wrote:

frothyyy wrote:

are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
i love that game so fucking bad that ive speedrunned through it and played it for hours lmao
my friend got me into ultrakill and let's say i didn't regret it. it's also the first fps game i've played after 10 years or so
Corne2Plum3

Patatitta wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Snow White 2025 :troll_face:
it requires for you to have seen the movie
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Lycoris Recoil

it's nice

lycoris recoil is a action/slice of life-ish about this group of people called the lycoris which are basically secret police dressed as high school students because it's "urban camouflage" (it's just moe)

I feel there are two main, and fairly distinct element in this anime, you have the segment where the actual plot is happening with the arms deal and conspiracy and mistery and then you have all the moments of just the two main protagonist living their life together

I don't think the actual mistery part is that well fleshed out, I think the villain motivations are weak, the plan idiotic at best, and in general I don't think it has much to say. It constantly talks about this balance between the different factions and how it must always be equivalent but honestly idk where they were going with that

every character has a marked and very strong personality, in many ways them """"camouflaging"""" as high school studetns help beacuse it's more normal for someone in that age range to behave in that way, however all the adults are the same with like 2 exceptions so I don't think they really thought about it that much

they're not exactly complex or deep or whatever, they're just cute, which works well enough for the slice of life segments but no so much for the big mistery action thing.

In many ways I feel those two things are at odds with each other, a lot of the time they just use the action segments asa a plot device to get them into cute situations at homes, and sometimes they just talk about panties for a whole episode without much explanation or plot relevance in the future

it's a anime that I respect but honestly I think they would have been better off just embracing the slice of life elements (or maybe even going full yuri because yeah there is a lot of yuri bait in lycoris), I feel they just used guns and death and destruction as a way to get audiences that aren't directly interested in that type of anime due to the negative connotation that we have here of the slife of life genre to watch it, which I can understand but I just think this anime is as inferior version of what it could have been

anyways, I still enjoyed it, placed on B rank
JLuca913 891
A Minecraft Movie

technically it's PG 13+
Topic Starter
Patatitta

JLuca913 891 wrote:

A Minecraft Movie

technically it's PG 13+
are you saying that to say "the movie is not for kids it's like adult and whatever" or what exactly

also, i'm sorry but I do not want to watch the minecraft movie
JLuca913 891

Patatitta wrote:

JLuca913 891 wrote:

A Minecraft Movie

technically it's PG 13+
are you saying that to say "the movie is not for kids it's like adult and whatever" or what exactly

also, i'm sorry but I do not want to watch the minecraft movie
yes, I thought you like watching movies that aren't for kids sooo


oh ok
Topic Starter
Patatitta

JLuca913 891 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

JLuca913 891 wrote:

A Minecraft Movie

technically it's PG 13+
are you saying that to say "the movie is not for kids it's like adult and whatever" or what exactly

also, i'm sorry but I do not want to watch the minecraft movie
yes, I thought you like watching movies that aren't for kids sooo


oh ok
you're right I like adult movies, still, I don't think the PG indicator is the best measure for that
frothyyy

frothyyy wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

frothyyy wrote:

are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
I love ultrakill, however it's neither story focused or finished so i'm going to have to pass
haha that's fine! what about a review of just shapes and beats? it's a completed story and i would like to hear your opinion on it
bump in case you haven't seen this :)
Topic Starter
Patatitta

frothyyy wrote:

frothyyy wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

frothyyy wrote:

are you able to do a review of ULTRAKILL (video game)? let me know :)
I love ultrakill, however it's neither story focused or finished so i'm going to have to pass
haha that's fine! what about a review of just shapes and beats? it's a completed story and i would like to hear your opinion on it
bump in case you haven't seen this :)
I missed it, my bad

still denied, it having a story mode is different than it being story focusesd, the game is good tho
179bpm
i don't know if this counts because it sort of requires music but can you do the because the internet screenplay

basically it's a screenplay that's supposed to be read while certain songs from the album of the same name are played to represent a soundtrack, i'm not asking for you to review the music but just the screenplay

here's the screenplay itself
Topic Starter
Patatitta
I don't think i'm doing that one
DeletedUser_32597938
listen to PUP's newest album "Who Will Look After The Dogs?"
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