Custom diff names

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Makar
You guys misunderstood me when I said that, but okay.
Stefan

GoldenWolf wrote:

What about using words like "woof" as diffname? Is it invalid too?
Making something like Easy > Normal > Hard > woof > WOOF WOOF would be bad and non-logical. Good idiotic example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/33084 (Sad how I always can use my maps as terrible examples. orz)

Kodora wrote:

That's creativity point, and disallowing that is rather bad change than good.
By all respect putting the own user name as Difficulty name is not creative. 0108 isn't too but things like Carnival0108 is.
GoldenWolf

Stefan wrote:

Making something like Easy > Normal > Hard > woof > WOOF WOOF would be bad and non-logical. Good idiotic example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/33084 (Sad how I always can use my maps as terrible examples. orz)
I find it nice and cool, this makes sense and I can immediately guess which diff is the hardest/easiest, I don't see why something like that should be changed.

edit: Does everything has to be changed to standards Easy/Normal/Hard/Insane/Lunatic/Extra... Well, in fact, what are the standards even? What kind of name would you allow as a "valid" diffname?
Kinomi
hue,actually this change can change nothing,when people see A's Insane and B's Insane in a map he still can't say which is more diffcult
Stefan

GoldenWolf wrote:

I find it nice and cool, this makes sense and I can immediately guess which diff is the hardest/easiest, I don't see why something like that should be changed.
And now put a random mapper (let's take Andrea, hi andrea) and the map is about a Love Story. In short: that the custom Difficulty names are completely unrelated from the Artist nor source/song. Can you still explain me the sense?
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Kodora

Stefan wrote:

By all respect putting the own user name as Difficulty name is not creative. 0108 isn't too but things like Carnival0108 is.
Seems like this not allowed anymore either.
Nyquill

apaffy wrote:

Makar wrote:

Telling others to look at star rating or max score is not a valid point, because you can not see this in multiplayer lobby.
Why not fix this (and the star rating in general)

Tsukuyomi wrote:

hue,actually this change can change nothing,when people see A's Insane and B's Insane in a map he still can't say which is more diffcult
These are actually other problems we need to look into.

At any rate, diffuculty names go by stigma. Another diffuculties are known to be harder than hyper because it is stigmatized as harder.

However, creator names aren't necessarily stigmatized, unless you are prepared to tag your name with every beyond extra diff in every set.

Right now judging spread is diffucult, but we really don't need to add to that diffuculty.

Along with this rule change, I suggest stronger enforcement of spread -> diff name relation.

Though, I think exceptions should be allowed for certain cases because a deviation within a diff spread that has otherwise consistent diffuculty names are often stigmatized as the hardest diffuculty. Perhaps with the new rule, we can look to accomadate this?
Broccoly

Nyquill wrote:

Though, I think exceptions should be allowed for certain cases because a deviation within a diff spread that has otherwise consistent diffuculty names are often stigmatized as the hardest diffuculty.
Sounds cool.
finally some answers to my question
Makar
Mmm.. I like Nyquill's proprosal. The only problem I see with that though is that in order to really determine it's difficulty, you have to use the other difficulties as a reference (using for example, Stefan's map). In multiplayer lobby you cannot do this, but again a fix for this belongs in a different forum.
[Luanny]
I totally agree with this rule
but are we allowed to use stuff like "Relaxing" "Challenge" "Advanced" and stuff?
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Kodora

Makar wrote:

In multiplayer lobby you cannot do this, but again a fix for this belongs in a different forum.
You cannot identify how hard is map without proper playing it, just sayin'.

Some insanes may plays like soft hards while some hards like insanes.

Also, every song may have insane diff, but they all will plays completely different.

[Luanny] wrote:

but are we allowed to use stuff like "Relaxing" "Challenge" "Advanced" and stuff?
No, we aren't

huehue
Broccoly

[Luanny] wrote:

I totally agree with this rule
but are we allowed to use stuff like "Relaxing" "Challenge" "Advanced" and stuff?
yeah and how about "Lunatic" used in Touhou related maps?
Nyquill

[Luanny] wrote:

I totally agree with this rule
but are we allowed to use stuff like "Relaxing" "Challenge" "Advanced" and stuff?
Those diff names have established stigma, and are honestly self explanatory, so I would say yes they are allowed.
Sakura
I don't think the rule is as strict as "You have to use Easy, Normal, Hard Insane for difficulty names"

But something like "You have to use something measurable for difficulty names"

So i'd think that if you want to have 2 difficulties and name one sprout and another tree, it's obvious that tree is harder, with just a mapper name this difference isn't as obvious.
Makar

Nyquill wrote:

[Luanny] wrote:

I totally agree with this rule
but are we allowed to use stuff like "Relaxing" "Challenge" "Advanced" and stuff?
Those diff names have established stigma, and are honestly self explanatory, so I would say yes they are allowed.

Sakura wrote:

I don't think the rule is as strict as "You have to use Easy, Normal, Hard Insane for difficulty names"

But something like "You have to use something measurable for difficulty names"

So i'd think that if you want to have 2 difficulties and name one sprout and another tree, it's obvious that tree is harder, with just a mapper name this difference isn't as obvious.
I agree with this.
LeaK
So this wouldn't be allowed?

Also totally agreeing with Sakura.
[Luanny]
well then I'm totally agree with this rule
Diffname is diffname, not mappername o.o I thought that was obvious
Nyquill
Actually I am certain peppy was just misinterpreted. He never said no custom names period, just have them distinguishable. If you apply stigma rules and what sakura just said there, only a handful of maps will be affected.
xChippy
Btw a quick question, What about maps going for approval owo? how are we going to name those OAO?
If it's totally irrelevant ignore me owo /me runs
Nyquill
Approval maps have no spread, imo they are exempt IF AND ONLY IF they only use one diff (which is the hardest diff anyways).

A lot of this actually comes down to if rating can be fixed actually... if not then we're going to have to use scalar names only regardless of established norms.
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