is it just me? or are the maps not as fun anymore, or maybe i just suck at the game lmao
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New style maps (idk 2020 onwards) are not tech. My guess is you only play generic jump or stream maps which is fair enough, but you should have an open mind towards newer mapping, theyre really fun and interesting if you give them a a proper go
Topic Starter
Tec in a sense they're all wiggly and squiggly and complicated patterns and weird sliders and overlapping notes
Haha.. yes i get it's new mapping styles but i just find them to be frustrating
Haha.. yes i get it's new mapping styles but i just find them to be frustrating
2020 onwards is basically full of tech,gimmick and finger control. Also full of boring songs tooTHAT_otaku wrote:
New style maps (idk 2020 onwards) are not tech. My guess is you only play generic jump or stream maps which is fair enough, but you should have an open mind towards newer mapping, theyre really fun and interesting if you give them a a proper go
I love tech maps 
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pro playaAccountWontWork wrote:
I love tech maps
I guess everyone got bored of making standard farm map 54, so now well get standard tech map 54 until the meta changes
I dont know, I've seen more generic-ish mapping than full-on tech so idk what you're talking about. If it gets ranked it probably means there's a demand for it
I prefer this over the jump metanico- wrote:
Tec in a sense they're all wiggly and squiggly and complicated patterns and weird sliders and overlapping notes
Haha.. yes i get it's new mapping styles but i just find them to be frustrating
hello there new guyJoon Yorigami wrote:
I dont know, I've seen more generic-ish mapping than full-on tech so idk what you're talking about. If it gets ranked it probably means there's a demand for it
this guy is not I deranker I can feel it.
i only play tech/aspire maps
I honestly dont because most tech maps that get are honestly just slider spams. I would even say there is more effort in jump mapping. There is good tech maps but its just not that common.[Alpha] wrote:
I prefer this over the jump metanico- wrote:
Tec in a sense they're all wiggly and squiggly and complicated patterns and weird sliders and overlapping notes
Haha.. yes i get it's new mapping styles but i just find them to be frustrating
most new style tech maps have fancy structured sliders, but rhythm is sacrificed in process, therefore making the map not fun to play.
though there are people who can pull it off and make good maps even with the exaggerated sliders
though there are people who can pull it off and make good maps even with the exaggerated sliders
Am I the only who don't really like map with fast sliders and weird patterns with ridiculously complex rythms as they looks like overmapped and prefer simple maps?
lots of people also don't like those types of maps.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Am I the only who don't really like map with fast sliders and weird patterns with ridiculously complex rythms as they looks like overmapped and prefer simple maps?
for me personally I like to play those types of maps for fun and just to enjoy what the game has to offer.
dude you have barely over 100 hours of playtimeHoosierTransfer wrote:
i only play tech/aspire maps
...am i considered weird to like overmapped maps 
not like i can play it LOL
not like i can play it LOL
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youre not alone XDCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Am I the only who don't really like map with fast sliders and weird patterns with ridiculously complex rythms as they looks like overmapped and prefer simple maps?
YES I LOVE JUMP MAPS MOSTCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Am I the only who don't really like map with fast sliders and weird patterns with ridiculously complex rythms as they looks like overmapped and prefer simple maps?
JUMPS FOREVER NGL
SPACED STREAMS ARE GOOD TOO
Map variety is currently good, but music genre variety could be better.
I think we should have more Michael Jackson music, for example.
I think we should have more Michael Jackson music, for example.
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
bruhTHAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
^^Lp9 wrote:
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
To add up, there's no way mappers know what are they doing if they don't learn the simple basics of the gameplay. Some mappers learned by going through other mappers' style of mapping - why is it placed as such and what's making it unique.
Partially agree. Jump maps and stream maps are good for training. 🙂👍Seofmon wrote:
YES I LOVE JUMP MAPS MOST
JUMPS FOREVER NGL
SPACED STREAMS ARE GOOD TOO
But I like tech maps... c': (But stream maps are elite!)
I would usually play the maps I make just to see if a pattern is good or notLp9 wrote:
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
Yeah a lot of the tech maps these days feel like they aren't made with playability in mind, just to look visually appealing.
But I mean, it's still very easy to find maps that are simpler, and I highly doubt you'll ever run out of those maps to play if you just look hard enough.
But I mean, it's still very easy to find maps that are simpler, and I highly doubt you'll ever run out of those maps to play if you just look hard enough.
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.
Even putting aside the fact i am modern mapper, modern or """tech""" maps from the last few years have been miles more enjoyable and playable for me than mindless generic jump aim maps that every map from like 2016 - 2020 was. This obviously comes down to opinion so no one is right or wrong, so dont think youre (anyone in this thread) objectively correct lol.
Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.
theyre perfectly playable and fun though, i'd just say skill issue if you cant play them to be honest, the only difference from """"tech"""" to normal maps is harder rhtyhm and/or slider aim, so idk man. either that, or like i said in my first comment on this thread, people just dont give them a proper chance.Yuunagi Ichika wrote:
Yeah a lot of the tech maps these days feel like they aren't made with playability in mind, just to look visually appealing.
Even putting aside the fact i am modern mapper, modern or """tech""" maps from the last few years have been miles more enjoyable and playable for me than mindless generic jump aim maps that every map from like 2016 - 2020 was. This obviously comes down to opinion so no one is right or wrong, so dont think youre (anyone in this thread) objectively correct lol.
This has to be a joke.Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
If not, then I don't think you should have a say in mapping.
It is amusing to see how people in minority acts like "I don't like this, so everyone must hate it too".THAT_otaku wrote:
I agree with you too. +1THAT_otaku wrote:
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.Sure, but when the time they spend mapping and testing their own maps outweighs their time spent playing the game otherwise, a lot of them lose touch with what is actually fun to play for everyone else after a while. I feel sorry for players who joined in 2022, they are going to start to think they are godawful at this game even moreso than six digits do right now. I joined a 2-3* lobby last week to practice EZ and the first map put on was a tech 3* map. It used to be hard to find those and it'd be funny and novel when you did, now it's what new players are introduced to. This kind of thing is great for an enthusiast -- not so great for keeping a game alive.Happy Satoko wrote:
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Lp9 wrote:
Mappers don't play.Happy Satoko wrote:
[quote="THAT_otaku"]The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
First, 2-3* are not tech map. At most they only have sliderkick spam. No offense, but you must be oblivious if you think 3* maps have rhythm complex enough to be tech.
Second, mappers spend their time to make the gameplay in their maps interesting to play. How many hours do you think it takes to map a tech song with good structure? Not to mention it is a TECH song, which has complex rhythms.
Lastly and most importantly, you've never look at modding do you? Many maps especially tech have at least more than 20 mods to simplify rhythm for the gameplay to be easier. You're saying as if mappers completely disregard the players' POV for sake of his mapping, which is completely wrong and ignorant of you to think so.
This is all nothing but skill issue I see from you.
"tech" doesn’t actually mean anything.
People use it to refer to anything that’s not pp farming jumps and stream maps.
The reason you see more of these "tech" maps nowadays is because mappers have higher standards for what they consider to be good mapping. They are more interested in expressing the music than making it farmable. Which is nice, because farm maps are conceptually boring and redundant.
People use it to refer to anything that’s not pp farming jumps and stream maps.
The reason you see more of these "tech" maps nowadays is because mappers have higher standards for what they consider to be good mapping. They are more interested in expressing the music than making it farmable. Which is nice, because farm maps are conceptually boring and redundant.
Personally I find farm and simple jump maps boring and mind numbing. I'd have quit the game by now if that was what all the maps were like. Also if you actually want to improve at the game, ignoring "tech" maps will not help.
Ah yes, only the best takes from the biggest NPC on the osu! forums. Keep it up!!! Maybe if you spent all the time you spend on the forums mapping you'd get a couple ranked.THAT_otaku wrote:
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.theyre perfectly playable and fun though, i'd just say skill issue if you cant play them to be honest, the only difference from """"tech"""" to normal maps is harder rhtyhm and/or slider aim, so idk man. either that, or like i said in my first comment on this thread, people just dont give them a proper chance.Yuunagi Ichika wrote:
Yeah a lot of the tech maps these days feel like they aren't made with playability in mind, just to look visually appealing.
Even putting aside the fact i am modern mapper, modern or """tech""" maps from the last few years have been miles more enjoyable and playable for me than mindless generic jump aim maps that every map from like 2016 - 2020 was. This obviously comes down to opinion so no one is right or wrong, so dont think youre (anyone in this thread) objectively correct lol.
Isn't it bafflin how much you care about "playability" when you are even worse than me in terms of top play? Even by ranks you are not so much better. If you're somewhere 5 digit then you may be right about difference in playability, but right now there is little to none. I mean, a 6 digit talking about difference in playability to other 6 digit? What kind of joke is this?Happy Satoko wrote:
Bruh look at my favorite maps. I've also played several thousand more maps than you have, so if I don't have a say in mapping, you definitely don't in playability.Sophie Twilight wrote:
This has to be a joke.Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
If not, then I don't think you should have a say in mapping.It is amusing to see how people in minority acts like "I don't like this, so everyone must hate it too".THAT_otaku wrote:
I agree with you too. +1THAT_otaku wrote:
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.Sure, but when the time they spend mapping and testing their own maps outweighs their time spent playing the game otherwise, a lot of them lose touch with what is actually fun to play for everyone else after a while. I feel sorry for players who joined in 2022, they are going to start to think they are godawful at this game even moreso than six digits do right now. I joined a 2-3* lobby last week to practice EZ and the first map put on was a tech 3* map. It used to be hard to find those and it'd be funny and novel when you did, now it's what new players are introduced to. This kind of thing is great for an enthusiast -- not so great for keeping a game alive.Happy Satoko wrote:
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Lp9 wrote:
Mappers don't play.Happy Satoko wrote:
[quote="THAT_otaku"]The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
First, 2-3* are not tech map. At most they only have sliderkick spam. No offense, but you must be oblivious if you think 3* maps have rhythm complex enough to be tech.
Second, mappers spend their time to make the gameplay in their maps interesting to play. How many hours do you think it takes to map a tech song with good structure? Not to mention it is a TECH song, which has complex rhythms.
Lastly and most importantly, you've never look at modding do you? Many maps especially tech have at least more than 20 mods to simplify rhythm for the gameplay to be easier. You're saying as if mappers completely disregard the players' POV for sake of his mapping, which is completely wrong and ignorant of you to think so.
This is all nothing but skill issue I see from you.
Also, the difference in our mapping is vast. I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to. Yet you? None. Just seeing you say "mappers don't play" makes me laugh. As if you players are better than mappers.
Do you even understand what a tech map is? I'm very sure you would say anything with sliderkicks as "tech", only because it has lots of sliders.
You don't even try to proof what "3* tech map" you said just now. Because it is a load of lies. Maybe if you get your arrogant mindset out of your mind you can have a say.
"Look at my Favourite mapsets" They didn't prove a thing. What are you gonna say, "I know what is tech because I play a lot of them"? If you know what tech is, you wouldn't be saying a 3* is a tech.
So I can take it that you don't give a care to modding or how mapping works. Yet now you're acting like you have a right to say something only because you are a player.
What a jokefest this is.
If you're not gonna come with better excuse, I'm out. I'm not going to further waste my time debating with someone who has zero mapping knowledge yet acts like an eyesore.
Sophie Twilight wrote:
Isn't it bafflin how much you care about "playability" when you are even worse than me in terms of top play? Even by ranks you are not so much better. If you're somewhere 5 digit then you may be right about difference in playability, but right now there is little to none. I mean, a 6 digit talking about difference in playability to other 6 digit? What kind of joke is this?Happy Satoko wrote:
Bruh look at my favorite maps. I've also played several thousand more maps than you have, so if I don't have a say in mapping, you definitely don't in playability.Sophie Twilight wrote:
This has to be a joke.Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
If not, then I don't think you should have a say in mapping.It is amusing to see how people in minority acts like "I don't like this, so everyone must hate it too".THAT_otaku wrote:
I agree with you too. +1THAT_otaku wrote:
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.Sure, but when the time they spend mapping and testing their own maps outweighs their time spent playing the game otherwise, a lot of them lose touch with what is actually fun to play for everyone else after a while. I feel sorry for players who joined in 2022, they are going to start to think they are godawful at this game even moreso than six digits do right now. I joined a 2-3* lobby last week to practice EZ and the first map put on was a tech 3* map. It used to be hard to find those and it'd be funny and novel when you did, now it's what new players are introduced to. This kind of thing is great for an enthusiast -- not so great for keeping a game alive.Happy Satoko wrote:
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Lp9 wrote:
Mappers don't play.Happy Satoko wrote:
[quote="THAT_otaku"]The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
First, 2-3* are not tech map. At most they only have sliderkick spam. No offense, but you must be oblivious if you think 3* maps have rhythm complex enough to be tech.
Second, mappers spend their time to make the gameplay in their maps interesting to play. How many hours do you think it takes to map a tech song with good structure? Not to mention it is a TECH song, which has complex rhythms.
Lastly and most importantly, you've never look at modding do you? Many maps especially tech have at least more than 20 mods to simplify rhythm for the gameplay to be easier. You're saying as if mappers completely disregard the players' POV for sake of his mapping, which is completely wrong and ignorant of you to think so.
This is all nothing but skill issue I see from you.
Also, the difference in our mapping is vast. I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to. Yet you? None. Just seeing you say "mappers don't play" makes me laugh. As if you players are better than mappers.
Do you even understand what a tech map is? I'm very sure you would say anything with sliderkicks as "tech", only because it has lots of sliders.
You don't even try to proof what "3* tech map" you said just now. Because it is a load of lies. Maybe if you get your arrogant mindset out of your mind you can have a say.
"Look at my Favourite mapsets" They didn't prove a thing. What are you gonna say, "I know what is tech because I play a lot of them"? If you know what tech is, you wouldn't be saying a 3* is a tech.
So I can take it that you don't give a care to modding or how mapping works. Yet now you're acting like you have a right to say something only because you are a player.
What a jokefest this is.
If you're not gonna come with better excuse, I'm out. I'm not going to further waste my time debating with someone who has zero mapping knowledge yet acts like an eyesore.
"I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to."
This is the most delusional thing I have seen on this forum so far LOL
Many new ranked maps are pretty fun, i like where the ranked (and loved) maps have gone in recent years.
Let the mapper map what he wants/thinks expresses the song. Ranked maps have to be playable/fcable by playing normally, not easy to play for you. We can't all be good at everything, but if you see a difficult thing you want to learn you can try (and it's fun to try).
All those 'squigly sliders', snappy fast streams/alt patterns, are playable sightreading if you are good enough. Star system not evaluating their difficulty well doesn't matter, it's the job of the guys who make the system.
Let the mapper map what he wants/thinks expresses the song. Ranked maps have to be playable/fcable by playing normally, not easy to play for you. We can't all be good at everything, but if you see a difficult thing you want to learn you can try (and it's fun to try).
All those 'squigly sliders', snappy fast streams/alt patterns, are playable sightreading if you are good enough. Star system not evaluating their difficulty well doesn't matter, it's the job of the guys who make the system.
at least use spoiler box mfs...Rika-Desu wrote:
Sophie Twilight wrote:
Isn't it bafflin how much you care about "playability" when you are even worse than me in terms of top play? Even by ranks you are not so much better. If you're somewhere 5 digit then you may be right about difference in playability, but right now there is little to none. I mean, a 6 digit talking about difference in playability to other 6 digit? What kind of joke is this?Happy Satoko wrote:
Bruh look at my favorite maps. I've also played several thousand more maps than you have, so if I don't have a say in mapping, you definitely don't in playability.Sophie Twilight wrote:
This has to be a joke.Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
If not, then I don't think you should have a say in mapping.It is amusing to see how people in minority acts like "I don't like this, so everyone must hate it too".THAT_otaku wrote:
I agree with you too. +1THAT_otaku wrote:
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.Sure, but when the time they spend mapping and testing their own maps outweighs their time spent playing the game otherwise, a lot of them lose touch with what is actually fun to play for everyone else after a while. I feel sorry for players who joined in 2022, they are going to start to think they are godawful at this game even moreso than six digits do right now. I joined a 2-3* lobby last week to practice EZ and the first map put on was a tech 3* map. It used to be hard to find those and it'd be funny and novel when you did, now it's what new players are introduced to. This kind of thing is great for an enthusiast -- not so great for keeping a game alive.Happy Satoko wrote:
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Lp9 wrote:
Mappers don't play.Happy Satoko wrote:
[quote="THAT_otaku"]The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
First, 2-3* are not tech map. At most they only have sliderkick spam. No offense, but you must be oblivious if you think 3* maps have rhythm complex enough to be tech.
Second, mappers spend their time to make the gameplay in their maps interesting to play. How many hours do you think it takes to map a tech song with good structure? Not to mention it is a TECH song, which has complex rhythms.
Lastly and most importantly, you've never look at modding do you? Many maps especially tech have at least more than 20 mods to simplify rhythm for the gameplay to be easier. You're saying as if mappers completely disregard the players' POV for sake of his mapping, which is completely wrong and ignorant of you to think so.
This is all nothing but skill issue I see from you.
Also, the difference in our mapping is vast. I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to. Yet you? None. Just seeing you say "mappers don't play" makes me laugh. As if you players are better than mappers.
Do you even understand what a tech map is? I'm very sure you would say anything with sliderkicks as "tech", only because it has lots of sliders.
You don't even try to proof what "3* tech map" you said just now. Because it is a load of lies. Maybe if you get your arrogant mindset out of your mind you can have a say.
"Look at my Favourite mapsets" They didn't prove a thing. What are you gonna say, "I know what is tech because I play a lot of them"? If you know what tech is, you wouldn't be saying a 3* is a tech.
So I can take it that you don't give a care to modding or how mapping works. Yet now you're acting like you have a right to say something only because you are a player.
What a jokefest this is.
If you're not gonna come with better excuse, I'm out. I'm not going to further waste my time debating with someone who has zero mapping knowledge yet acts like an eyesore.
"I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to."
This is the most delusional thing I have seen on this forum so far LOL
Topic Starter
in the end it has to boil down to skill issue lmao
me being done with this thread:
Happy Satoko wrote:
Sophie Twilight wrote:
K, glhf 😊♥️Happy Satoko wrote:
Isn't it bafflin how much you care about "playability" when you are even worse than me in terms of top play? Even by ranks you are not so much better. If you're somewhere 5 digit then you may be right about difference in playability, but right now there is little to none. I mean, a 6 digit talking about difference in playability to other 6 digit? What kind of joke is this?Sophie Twilight wrote:
This has to be a joke.Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
If not, then I don't think you should have a say in mapping.Bruh look at my favorite maps. I've also played several thousand more maps than you have, so if I don't have a say in mapping, you definitely don't in playability.THAT_otaku wrote:
I agree with you too. +1THAT_otaku wrote:
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.It is amusing to see how people in minority acts like "I don't like this, so everyone must hate it too".Happy Satoko wrote:
Sure, but when the time they spend mapping and testing their own maps outweighs their time spent playing the game otherwise, a lot of them lose touch with what is actually fun to play for everyone else after a while. I feel sorry for players who joined in 2022, they are going to start to think they are godawful at this game even moreso than six digits do right now. I joined a 2-3* lobby last week to practice EZ and the first map put on was a tech 3* map. It used to be hard to find those and it'd be funny and novel when you did, now it's what new players are introduced to. This kind of thing is great for an enthusiast -- not so great for keeping a game alive.Lp9 wrote:
mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
First, 2-3* are not tech map. At most they only have sliderkick spam. No offense, but you must be oblivious if you think 3* maps have rhythm complex enough to be tech.
Second, mappers spend their time to make the gameplay in their maps interesting to play. How many hours do you think it takes to map a tech song with good structure? Not to mention it is a TECH song, which has complex rhythms.
Lastly and most importantly, you've never look at modding do you? Many maps especially tech have at least more than 20 mods to simplify rhythm for the gameplay to be easier. You're saying as if mappers completely disregard the players' POV for sake of his mapping, which is completely wrong and ignorant of you to think so.
This is all nothing but skill issue I see from you.
Also, the difference in our mapping is vast. I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to. Yet you? None. Just seeing you say "mappers don't play" makes me laugh. As if you players are better than mappers.
Do you even understand what a tech map is? I'm very sure you would say anything with sliderkicks as "tech", only because it has lots of sliders.
You don't even try to proof what "3* tech map" you said just now. Because it is a load of lies. Maybe if you get your arrogant mindset out of your mind you can have a say.
"Look at my Favourite mapsets" They didn't prove a thing. What are you gonna say, "I know what is tech because I play a lot of them"? If you know what tech is, you wouldn't be saying a 3* is a tech.
So I can take it that you don't give a care to modding or how mapping works. Yet now you're acting like you have a right to say something only because you are a player.
What a jokefest this is.
If you're not gonna come with better excuse, I'm out. I'm not going to further waste my time debating with someone who has zero mapping knowledge yet acts like an eyesore.
Actually, I'm quite happy to see you end this in rather peaceful way even when my immaturity shows up
I apologise for that
Rika-Desu wrote:
Isn't it bafflin how much you care about "playability" when you are even worse than me in terms of top play? Even by ranks you are not so much better. If you're somewhere 5 digit then you may be right about difference in playability, but right now there is little to none. I mean, a 6 digit talking about difference in playability to other 6 digit? What kind of joke is this?Sophie Twilight wrote:
Bruh look at my favorite maps. I've also played several thousand more maps than you have, so if I don't have a say in mapping, you definitely don't in playability.Happy Satoko wrote:
It is amusing to see how people in minority acts like "I don't like this, so everyone must hate it too".Sophie Twilight wrote:
This has to be a joke.Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
If not, then I don't think you should have a say in mapping.Sure, but when the time they spend mapping and testing their own maps outweighs their time spent playing the game otherwise, a lot of them lose touch with what is actually fun to play for everyone else after a while. I feel sorry for players who joined in 2022, they are going to start to think they are godawful at this game even moreso than six digits do right now. I joined a 2-3* lobby last week to practice EZ and the first map put on was a tech 3* map. It used to be hard to find those and it'd be funny and novel when you did, now it's what new players are introduced to. This kind of thing is great for an enthusiast -- not so great for keeping a game alive.THAT_otaku wrote:
I agree with you too. +1THAT_otaku wrote:
to actually join in on the discussion; the thing is though there are already 10s of thousands of generic/non-tech/whatever maps ranked and in comparison barely any """""""""""tech"""""""""""", it just seems like a ton because its suddenly become the trend.Seofmon wrote:
THAT_otaku got ratio'd really hard
3 people agreed with me, im a little confused on how i got ratioed.mappers usually playtest their maps the most though (well those who know what they're doing alleast)Happy Satoko wrote:
Mappers don't play.Lp9 wrote:
[quote="Happy Satoko"][quote="THAT_otaku"]The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
First, 2-3* are not tech map. At most they only have sliderkick spam. No offense, but you must be oblivious if you think 3* maps have rhythm complex enough to be tech.
Second, mappers spend their time to make the gameplay in their maps interesting to play. How many hours do you think it takes to map a tech song with good structure? Not to mention it is a TECH song, which has complex rhythms.
Lastly and most importantly, you've never look at modding do you? Many maps especially tech have at least more than 20 mods to simplify rhythm for the gameplay to be easier. You're saying as if mappers completely disregard the players' POV for sake of his mapping, which is completely wrong and ignorant of you to think so.
This is all nothing but skill issue I see from you.
Also, the difference in our mapping is vast. I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to. Yet you? None. Just seeing you say "mappers don't play" makes me laugh. As if you players are better than mappers.
Do you even understand what a tech map is? I'm very sure you would say anything with sliderkicks as "tech", only because it has lots of sliders.
You don't even try to proof what "3* tech map" you said just now. Because it is a load of lies. Maybe if you get your arrogant mindset out of your mind you can have a say.
"Look at my Favourite mapsets" They didn't prove a thing. What are you gonna say, "I know what is tech because I play a lot of them"? If you know what tech is, you wouldn't be saying a 3* is a tech.
So I can take it that you don't give a care to modding or how mapping works. Yet now you're acting like you have a right to say something only because you are a player.
What a jokefest this is.
If you're not gonna come with better excuse, I'm out. I'm not going to further waste my time debating with someone who has zero mapping knowledge yet acts like an eyesore.
"I have more than 2 years of mapping experience and I could easily become mid 5 digit if I wanted to."
This is the most delusional thing I have seen on this forum so far LOL
I'll be generous and read that as map is so bad it's unplayable. It seems to me it's just your preference at play here. Do you think those maps would be fine if they were rated at a higher star rating?Happy Satoko wrote:
If someone says your mom is so fat she's unplayable, it doesn't necessarily mean no one can do it, but it definitely means no one would ever want to.dung eater wrote:
Many new ranked maps are pretty fun, i like where the ranked (and loved) maps have gone in recent years.
Let the mapper map what he wants/thinks expresses the song. Ranked maps have to be playable/fcable by playing normally, not easy to play for you. We can't all be good at everything, but if you see a difficult thing you want to learn you can try (and it's fun to try).
All those 'squigly sliders', snappy fast streams/alt patterns, are playable sightreading if you are good enough. Star system not evaluating their difficulty well doesn't matter, it's the job of the guys who make the system.
as a sidenote, respect mappers and other people who spend their free time creating content for and improving the game.
THAT_otaku wrote:
The contrast between mappers/experienced players and non-mappers/inexperienced/generic-only players is kinda hillarious in this thread
This is still a really interesting thread lmao
Happy Satoko wrote:
No. They aren't improving the game, they're ruining it.dung eater wrote:
... respect mappers and other people who spend their free time creating content for and improving the game.
This couldnt be any further from the truth lmao. Mapping is objectively in a much better state than it ever has been. Song representation and expression, arguably the most important things in mapping, are the best its ever been. I understand that from a player's perspective this doesnt seem incredibly important and/or make sense but trust that maps these days represent the song content a lot better than most repeatable generic styled maps from last gen mapping, and mapper's expression of the songs make for much more interesting/engaging mapping, and also contributes to representing the song better. (making better map)
Its up to the player whether they like to play them or not/like them in general or not, but i'd hope its okay to say its objective that theyre better overall