1. The World Guy Only Knows (4.96 stars, 2026 notes)

Guy wrote:

sorry, this map is impossible to FC with DT.

-Gamu- wrote:

pro <3

ykを超えるSB待ってます。

iyasine wrote:

i love you

-Umi- wrote:

Full ver. just <3 !! go go for app

shARPII wrote:

Oh god Guy, you're crazy but I love you o/
You deserve a star and I'll try to mod it D:

Muya wrote:

11:58:656 (1) - ここのspinnerを 始点11:58:656 終点12:02:781と始点12:03:156 終点12:07:281の２つのspinnerに分ける(歌に合わせるような感じに)
good mapです～

1. 12:29:051 -
2. 12:43:168 -

alacat wrote:

Unsnapped green sections

1. 12:29:051 -
2. 12:43:168 -

12:23:406 - ここからほとんどsnapされてないのでResnapしてみてください

時間あるときにまたmodしにきます:3

-Gamu- wrote:

hi~ M4M リクエスト＼( 'ω')／

[General]

●Tags: "神のみぞ知るセカイ 女神篇 早見沙織" を入れる？ - 特に断る理由もないので入れておきます
最近は、日本語でTagsにアニメ名とか歌ってる人の名前を入れているケースが増えてきています。この曲のTV Sizeにもこのようなのが入っておりました。
しかし、これは強制的に入れるべきものではないので、自由です。
ただ、日本語検索する人にとっては検索に出るようになりますし、入れて損はないと思います。あくまでも自由なので。

●Song Setup : Enable countdownはいらないかな。機能してないので。 - ok

●Mp3データのビットレートが128kbpsだけど、192kbpsのほうがいいんじゃないかな。一様、私はそのビットレート変えるソフト持っているけど音質的にどうなのか、自分の耳が腐ってるからよくわからないの現状ｗ　まぁ、試しにここに貼っておきますね。使わないならゴミ箱にも放り投げちゃってよさげ http://puu.sh/477FD.zip - 現状でRankableならMP3関連は極力弄りたくないんですよね・・　というかむしろ128kbpsの物を192kbpsに変換したら音質劣化するような　とりあえずこれは保留で！

●コンボカラーのつけ方について : 結構長めで切り替えていると思うんですが、普通に１６とか数字がでてくるので、あまり私はそういうの好まないんですよね。。別にこれでも問題はないと思うので大丈夫ですよ。ただ、もっと細かく切り替えてもいいのではないかと思っただけですー - 指摘が多く来るようならば考えます


[Guyのみぞ知るセカイ] -

●OD6だと・・・・変動結構あるし　おｋか。 - お察しのとおりです
●00:04:225 (5) - 最後にwhistle 追加？　音があるような気がする。
●00:06:707 (1) - ^
●00:07:949 (3) - ^
●00:14:156 (6) - ^
●00:16:225 (8) - 最初にwhistle追加？^
●00:16:638 (1) - 最後にwhistle追加？^
●00:43:742 (3) - clap欲しいです。 - ok
●00:43:949 (4) - 最初にwhistle追加。
●00:53:673 (6) - same as 00:43:742
●00:53:880 (7) - same as 00:43:949
●01:22:145 (5) - Move to x:352 y:200. どうしてもここに置きたくなるという衝動が走る。または、こう配置移動させる　http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/939880 - 綺麗なブランケットになっていていいと思うんですが、ここはジャンプの具合を優先してキープします
●01:34:498 (6) - new combo追加。　急にSlider Stream Jumpsが始まるので。 - ok
●01:34:674 (7) - Move to x:216 y:184. （５）の終点と（６）の間と（６）の終点と（７）の始点の間を同じくらいスペース空けるといいかも。こんなかんじ　http://puu.sh/478hP.jpg - 始端の位置を整えているためno changeですhttp://puu.sh/47D96.jpg
●02:01:145 (2) - ｱｰ　終点がHPバーにかかりそう・・・　セーフなのかな - セーフってことでお願いします
●02:08:204 (4,5) - うーん。たしかにこれもいいけど。個人的にはremoveしたほうがいいかな。ボーカル優先って感じです。 - なるほど・・・でも割と大きな音なので個人的には取りたいです。
●02:09:792 (2,3,4) - スペーシング同じにしません？ 全体的にスペーシング広げよう。　曲的にも三角形、二等辺三角形などを綺麗に作ったほうがいい感じがする。 - ここのジャンプのみ自分も汚いと感じているので少し変更するかもしれません
●02:12:616 (3,4,5) - ^ 2.00xくらいにできそう - 少し変えました
●02:15:439 (1,2,3) - ここも - スペーシング同じだと在り来たりでつまらないかなと思いこうしました。ここはno changeです
●02:18:263 (3,4,5) - ここも - ^
●02:42:263 (5) - whistle?
●02:44:557 (5) - ^
●02:45:086 (8) - 始点にwhistleが欲しい。
●02:46:851 (4) - ^
●02:48:439 (2) - 短く白線までの1/2スライダーが良いと思いました。もしおｋだったらclap忘れないでね - ok
●02:49:321 (4) - 始点にwhistle。
●02:54:086 (6) - Add new combo? - ok
●03:09:792 (8,9) - この二つのスライダー　統一というか同じ感じにしません？　たとえば両方まっすぐなスライダーにするとか - 真っ直ぐにしてみたらしっくりこなかったのでこのままにします
●03:52:339 (1) - whistleが少し聞こえにくいかも。40%くらいに音量あげてみたらどうかな。 - なるほどいいですね
●04:27:817 (3) - 流れ的にwhistleかな。
●06:12:543 (4) - ここも前の(3)と(2)のようなすらいだーにしましょ。 - ok
●06:16:400 (5) - ここは（６）のようなスライダー - このままでも十分綺麗なのでno change
●06:33:329 (1,2,3) - 前の（２）と（５）と（８）の三角形の真ん中に置いてみてませんか？http://puu.sh/4794E.jpg - そうすると前のnoteに近すぎてしまうためわざと離しています
●07:19:041 (3) - ここだけスペーシングおかしいと思います。 - 変えました
●07:29:234 (3,4,5) - 4,5,1を同じスペーシングにするのではなく、3,4,5を同じのほうがボーカルに合うと思います； - 少し変更
●07:58:361 (3) - 終点が（７）にしっかりとスタックされていないのが気になるｗ - play画面でほぼ影響しない部分ですが簡単に修正出来そうなので一応しました
●08:21:152 (1,1,1,1) - ここ好き。 - 俺もです
●11:22:656 (1) - Move to x:156 y:316. (1)と(3)の間になる。 - (1)と(3)の間になるのはEdit上でのメリットしかないので自分は11:22:656 (1,2,3) - この３つのスペーシングを優先します
●11:44:031 (7) - 終点部分（４）とのスタックがしっかりとされていないのが気になる。 - うーん・・・(4)を1grid upしてみました
●11:46:656 (6) - 始点にプラスwhistle
●11:47:031 (7) - ^
●11:50:781 (5) - ^
●11:58:656 (1) - 音量１０％でいいと思った。 - ok
●12:41:758 (1,1,1,1) - 08:21:152みたいにスライダーだんだんスピードあげるのっていい案かな。私は思ったけど、それが良いのかよくわからない。 - 俺もよくわからないのでno changeです

細かく見ていないので、少ないです orz

good luck :3

Pandiar wrote:

m4mの依頼引き受けてくださってありがとうございました～・３・ｂ
whistleが多いのですが感覚ホイッスラーなので試してみて音に合ってないところは無視してください；３；
NCの部分はコンボ数を10前後のほうが好きなので一応入れてあります。

Guyのみぞ知るセカイ

00:02:983 (3) - 赤線まで伸ばしてもいいかなとは思うんですが画像のような感じにして
最後のwhistleを入れてみるのはどうでしょうか - 確かにとてもいい案だと思うんですが、スライダーの形が気に入っていて音取りも特に問題ないと思ったためこのままにします

SPOILER

00:13:742 (5) - ボーカルの発音部分に合わせる感じでwhistleを入れてみてもいいかも？
00:18:707 (4) - whistle
00:33:604 (4) - ＾
00:38:569 (4) - ＾
00:43:949 (4) - ＾
00:45:190 (5) - ＾
00:46:432 (1) - ＾
00:48:914 (1) - ＾
00:52:638 (3) - ＾
00:53:880 (7) - ＾ - ここまでwhistle fixed
01:18:086 (10) - スタック？もいいとは思うんですが曲のテンポが良いので、それにあわせて01:19:145 - にnoteを入れてこんなのはどうでしょうか - nice~ fixed

SPOILER

01:25:851 (6) - finish - ok
01:31:498 (8) - ＾ - ^
01:33:969 (5) - clapを拾うように配置するか、寂しいのでwhistleを入れてみるのもいいかもです。個人的にはwhistleが好きかも - whistle入れときました
01:37:145 (6) - finish - ok
01:37:498 (7) - あんまり変わらない気がするけど縦より横のほうが好きなのでこんなのとか - 01:37:145 (6) - これのコピー＆01:38:027 (1) - こっちのスライダーと合わせてる感じのスライダーなのでこのままで

SPOILER

01:42:792 (6) - finish - ok
01:51:616 (4) - これもあんまり変わらないのですが、こんなのとか - スライダーにかかって見えるのでこのままにします

SPOILER

01:52:851 (4) - 前の(3)add note？ - ok
02:07:321 (3) - whistle - ok
02:25:851 (2) - ＾ - ok
02:31:851 (10) - 右から出なく(9)の下あたりから右斜め上にそってこんな感じはどうでしょうか - いいですね流れよくなりました

SPOILER

こうした場合は次の02:32:733 (3) - はCtrl＋Gのほうがいいかもです
02:58:321 (4) - whistle - ok
03:21:439 (1) - 前後の配置が流れよく来ているのでそれに沿ってこんなのとかどうですか - ok

SPOILER

03:42:947 (3) - whistle - この辺りからのwhistleのModは自分の考えてる音付けと違うものだったのでほとんど適用してないですすみません！自分がwhistle付けてるところを見れば多分どこの音とってるかわかると思います
03:43:991 (1) - ＾
03:44:513 (2) - ＾
03:47:643 (2) - ＾
03:50:774 (2) - ＾
04:52:157 (8) - ＾
04:52:532 (10) - ＾
04:52:720 (1) - finish
04:56:282 (2) - whistle
04:57:032 (5) - ＾
04:57:970 (8) - ＾
04:58:157 (9) - ＾
04:58:720 (1) - ＾
04:59:282 (2) - ＾
05:02:282 (3) - 中点にwhistle
05:03:032 (1) - whistle
05:04:720 (6) - ＾
05:05:282 (7) - 中点にwhistle
05:06:032 (1) - whistle
05:08:282 (2) - ＾
05:09:032 (5) - ＾
05:09:501 (6) - ＾
05:10:720 (1) - ＾
05:11:282 (2) - ＾
05:12:032 (4) - ＾
05:12:970 (1) - NC？
05:13:720 (1) - 終点にwhistle
05:30:220 (1) - NC？
05:58:720 (1) - 中点にwhistle
06:39:224 (1) - volumeが50%だと変に感じたのでを15%くらいしたらいいかもです - ちょっと下げました
07:19:914 (1) - finish？
08:00:902 (8) - NC？
08:05:214 (2) - finish
08:06:152 (4) - ＾
08:06:714 (5) - ＾
08:14:777 (5) - 細かいですが少し曲げるといいかなと思いました - 既に少し曲がってた・・・

SPOILER

08:17:964 (6) - finish
08:25:652 (1) - finish
08:38:777 (3) - Ctrl＋Gをしてみてもいいかもです - 悩んだんですが次のnoteへの流れを考えてこのままにしておきます
08:50:402 (3) - whistle
08:51:152 (5) - ＾
08:51:902 (8) - ＾
08:54:152 (6) - ＾
09:03:339 (7) - ＾
09:03:714 (9,10,11) - ＾
09:06:152 (6) - whistle
10:02:781 (3) - ほんの少しだけ右にずらしてCtrl＋Gもいいかもです - 見た目も現状の方がいいのででこのままにします
10:26:406 - ここ大きく鳴る太鼓の音に合わせたほうがいいかもです　なんか不自然に感じたのでこんなのはどうでしょうか - うーん、ちょっと配置が思いつかないので保留します

SPOILER

10:37:281 (6) - whistle
11:20:968 (3) - ＾
11:21:718 (2) - ＾
11:22:093 (4) - ＾ - ok
11:22:468 (6) - ＾ - ok

後半は疲れてしまいました；
曲調ごとにいろんな味があって楽しかったです
whitsle関係を抜かすと内容の薄いmodになってしまってごめんなさい

Satellite wrote:

Hai

unsnap aru yo

[The World Gay Only Knows]
00:07:949 (3) - これ 00:02:983 (3) - ココと同じだから音取りどっちかに統一するのは？ほかのパートは全部後者だから最初の部分を他にあわせるといいかも
00:08:776 (4) - ほかのところはほいっするついてるからここもつけよう頭に 00:18:707 (4) - たとえばこことか
00:10:018 - ほいっする
00:11:259 - ^
00:19:949 - ^
00:21:190 - ^
00:49:742 - ^
00:50:983 - ^
00:55:949 (9) - 頭にほいっする
00:56:363 (1) - ^
00:59:673 - ほいっする
01:00:914 - ^
01:27:969 (6) - Ctrl+Gはどう？ - ジグザグAIMにしたいのでno change
01:32:910 (3) - 頭にfinish
02:05:557 (1) - 折り返し部分にもほいっする
03:43:991 (1) - ほいっする - ハァッ～ってとこにwhislte打ってるパートなのでno change
03:59:382 (2) - 後ろにほいっする
04:49:157 (1) - 個人的な問題だけどx356 y336あたりにもってきたほうがえいむしやすい - その周辺におきやした
05:03:032 (1) - remove Nc?
08:31:277 (11) - うしろにもくらっぷ？ - うーん入れても違和感なさそうだけどココ入れると似たようなとこ全部入れるようになりそうなのでこのままで
08:47:402 (3) - 流れ的にはCtrl+Gがこのましい - 08:46:652 (1,3) - この２つでセットになってる感じなのでno change
09:52:656 (5,1) - Nc入れ替えのほうがいいきが
10:11:218 (2) - 折り返しにほいっする - ピアノに入れたいパートなのでno change
10:19:281 - ほいっする - ^
10:51:156 (7,1) - Nc入れ替え
11:20:406 - このあたり細かくボリュームいじりたいかんじする
11:33:906 (1) - うしろのほいっするいらなきが
12:29:582 (3) - 普通に５連打でいいきが、なんかわかりづらいような - ここから先は５連打くるで～っていうお知らせ的な感じで入れたんですけどわかりづらいですか変えました。


終わりです
歌詞の部分にもっとほいっするあったほうがいいきがした

good luck

1. 00:10:432 (6) - This slider's point of arrow is a little offscrean. it's not important, but you should fix it
2. 00:12:087 (2) - add a Whistle on start of slider? it's more smooth sound than current. IMO
3. 00:34:018 (5) - remove a Clap on start of slider as stand out that harmony like 00:29:052 (4) - here. and others that same as here too.
4. 00:52:638 (3) - why don't you give to this slider the slow effect like previous pattern?
5. 01:34:498 (1,2,3,4) - please reduce difficulty this slider notes. it's break the previous (good) flow. why don't you use pattern like 01:45:792 (10,11) - here? or if you keep current beat, like this or other stuff? feel free, but please reduce difficulty.
6. 05:56:470 (3) - try use beat like this? ignore that pattern . current beat is a little confusion stuff. IMO
7. 06:32:043 - awesome.
8. 07:59:402 (3) - increase some distance. this section is BPM shifting section, player's cursor will be move fast by previous section. if you increase distance a little bit, that's flow and playable more good. IMO

Dark Fang wrote:

Bah.

[Tsun Tsun Hakua]

1. 00:10:432 (6) - This slider's point of arrow is a little offscrean. it's not important, but you should fix it - oh missed orz fixed!
2. 00:12:087 (2) - add a Whistle on start of slider? it's more smooth sound than current. IMO - nice
3. 00:34:018 (5) - remove a Clap on start of slider as stand out that harmony like 00:29:052 (4) - here. and others that same as here too. - fixed
4. 00:52:638 (3) - why don't you give to this slider the slow effect like previous pattern? - ok added
5. 01:34:498 (1,2,3,4) - please reduce difficulty this slider notes. it's break the previous (good) flow. why don't you use pattern like 01:45:792 (10,11) - here? or if you keep current beat, like this or other stuff? feel free, but please reduce difficulty. - sorry i like current pattern ><
6. 05:56:470 (3) - try use beat like this? ignore that pattern . current beat is a little confusion stuff. IMO - haha nice idea.
7. 06:32:043 - awesome. - xD
8. 07:59:402 (3) - increase some distance. this section is BPM shifting section, player's cursor will be move fast by previous section. if you increase distance a little bit, that's flow and playable more good. IMO - good your suggestion. fixed!

awesoooome.

Frostmourne wrote:

hi Guy

The World Guy Only Knows
00:01:845 (x) - move this green line (40% volume) to 00:21:604 (1) - this
because I think it's too loud for 00:01:742 (1) - to 00:21:604 (1) - (this part is calm)
00:43:328 (1,2,3) - make them jump please because music is really epic here.
01:11:910 (1) - add finish here is cool.
01:50:380 (2) - where is clap on the slider's head? it should be clap+finish.
01:56:380 (3) - clap with finish on the last point of a slider (01:57:086)
02:20:204 (3,4,5,6) - I think they are fitting with clap (add clap on every note there)
02:31:851 (10) - sampleset:Normal additions:Normal on the tail of slider.
02:32:292 (11) - ^
to make them sound good with the start point of this slider 02:31:851 (10) -
03:01:145 (1,2,3,4,5) - maybe sampleset:drum ? . It's quite a peaked part. I'm sure it could be better when you decorate hitsounds in it.
03:02:027 (6) - new combo
03:02:027 (1,2) - clap on both sliders (only tail of slider only)
03:03:086 (3) - clap on 03:03:439 to make them consistent with above suggestion ^
03:03:616 (4) - clap tail
03:13:851 (4) - clap tail , you see that you added a clap on 03:13:674 (3) - so this should be much better!
03:14:910 (8) - clap tail
03:16:674 (2) - clap tail
03:17:733 (4) - clap tail
03:41:904 (1) - volume 20% here please, same as the first part
03:52:339 (1) - end this spinner with 30% instead of 40%
03:55:730 (1) - 30%
05:13:720 (1) - clap tail same as you did on 05:17:095 (3) -
05:17:282 (4) - clap tail
05:25:345 (5) - clap here (with drum sampleset) sounds good imo, it fits with 05:25:720 (1) - for a no reason haha
05:28:345 (9) - please remove 1 repeat from this slider please because players are used to with 05:27:220 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
Example : (3,3,3)
so If you come up with (3,3,3,4) it's not good at all.
06:08:257 (2) - start volume 30% or 20% here because whistle in this part is noisy and not good with 50% volume
07:34:040 (6) - change this to normal circles please, starting a short slider here is too surprising and isn't friendly for players at all
07:43:797 (5,6,7) - move these 3 notes stream far from 07:43:506 (4) - a bit (I suggest you x:356 y:128) in order to make it less confusing with 1/6 sliders you did on the previous part
also new combo 07:43:797 (5) - here too
09:35:031 (1) - start this with 25% volume please. It's really calm part and then it needs to be as soft as possible.
10:31:656 (4) - whistle on the head of slider, it sounds the same as 10:30:906 (1,2,3) - sound
10:47:218 (3) - whistle same as 10:49:468 (2) -
10:53:968 (2) - whistle
10:58:468 (2) - whistle
11:01:281 (3) - clap instead of whistle
11:02:781 (3) - whistle on the tail and whistle head on 11:03:156 (4) -
11:21:531 (1) - clap and finish on this note
11:21:718 (2,3,4,5,6) - I suggest you add clap on all of them as I suggested in previous parts like 03:01:145 (1,2,3,4,5) -
11:38:781 (2) - clap tail? it sounds good in my opinion
11:39:156 (3) - whistle here. too empty here and it will mix with the clap above^
11:39:531 (4) - clap with finish here along with ^ they sound good, please try
11:42:906 (1) - add finish
11:49:468 (8) - clap
11:50:031 (2) - clap with finish here
12:23:406 (1) - volume 20% here
12:29:053 (1) - volume 40% here

These hitsounds are essential. I'm sure it can be better with these hitsounds. They need more balancing, some parts need lower volume and some parts need higher volume. My suggestion could adequately cover them.
Call me back once you have fixed and I will bubble #1

Frostmourne wrote:

Something you may have forgotten and I forgot to mention.

02:20:557 (6) - clap
10:58:468 (2) - whistle
11:05:781 (4) - maybe whistle on repeat point (11:06:156)

Satellite wrote:

XinCrin wrote:

This map needs a SB D:

Oyatsu wrote:

Oratorio The World Guy Only Knows - Guy only knows -Secrets
lol

1. 01:19:321 (5) - i'd like to suggest two notes here due to double claps.
2. 04:06:687 (2,3) - the beat here is heard like this
   
   - remove the repeat of (2)
   - move (3) to 04:07:208 - , and remove the finish at end
   - add a note at 04:07:991 - with NC & finish
3. 04:49:157 (1,2) - reduce the volume of claps here, it's too loud after a quiet break
4. 09:50:218 - maybe you can add a note here?

Scorpiour wrote:

hi there~~random bubble check~

red - must be fixed
blue - highly recommend to consider
black - only suggestions

[The World Guy Only Knows]

1. 01:19:321 (5) - i'd like to suggest two notes here due to double claps. - fixed
2. 04:06:687 (2,3) - the beat here is heard like this - fixed
   
   - remove the repeat of (2)
   - move (3) to 04:07:208 - , and remove the finish at end
   - add a note at 04:07:991 - with NC & finish
3. 04:49:157 (1,2) - reduce the volume of claps here, it's too loud after a quiet break - fixed
4. 09:50:218 - maybe you can add a note here? - hmm, i think that not fit note here. sorry no changed ><

That's all~~

1. 07:18:167 (1) - Should end at 07:18:604 to follow the music.
   
2. 07:25:254 (2) - Should be snapped to 07:25:302 and end at 07:25:448.
   
3. 07:28:361 (1) -^ Should end at 07:28:798.

1. 07:18:749 (2) - I hear drums at 07:18:895 in 1/2.
   
2. 07:19:623 (5) - Again drums in 1/2 at 07:19:769.
   
3. 07:21:371 (6) - Triplet at 07:21:516 is called for. Drum transition is clearly heard in 1/2.
   
4. 07:24:575 (5) - Only sound is music is at 07:24:720. The piano is in 1/2, so the 1/3 feels weird.
   
5. 07:28:069 (7) - Drums can be heard in 1/2 at 07:28:215.
   
6. 07:28:943 (2) - Music is heard clearly in 1/2 at 07:29:089.
   
7. 07:36:516 (6) - I'm hearing 1/2 at 07:36:662.
   
8. 07:37:972 (5) - Drums hitting in 1/2 07:38:118.
   
9. 07:39:720 (8) - Same
   
10. 07:44:671 (7) -
    
11. 07:51:370 (6) - Same

Frostmourne

00:29 UnitedWeSin: hey frost
00:33 Frostmourne: hey
00:34 UnitedWeSin: hey if you have time, can you look at this?
00:34 UnitedWeSin: plzplz ;w;
00:35 Frostmourne: oh sure
00:35 *UnitedWeSin is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/283252 Oratorio The World God Only Knows - God only knows -Secrets of the Goddess- [The World Guy Only Knows]]
00:36 Frostmourne: aha
00:37 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 - this part
00:37 UnitedWeSin: isn't some of thi 1/3 really overmapped?
00:38 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 (1) - shouldn't be snapped to 07:18:604 - ?
00:39 Frostmourne: em...
00:39 Frostmourne: this part is confusing
00:39 Frostmourne: to be honest
00:39 Frostmourne: I am not sure either
00:39 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) - drums are clearly in 1/4 here
00:39 UnitedWeSin: 1/3 is confusing ><
00:40 Frostmourne: yea Dx
00:40 UnitedWeSin: 07:25:254 (2) - should be snapped at 07:25:302 (2) - ?
00:40 UnitedWeSin: 07:28:361 (1) - snapped at 07:28:798 -
00:41 Frostmourne: maybe
00:41 Frostmourne: orz..
00:41 Frostmourne: it's kinda
00:41 Frostmourne: my big mistake for this one
00:41 Frostmourne: em..
00:41 Frostmourne: it should be 1/4
00:41 Frostmourne: 1/2*
00:41 Frostmourne: nothing else
00:42 UnitedWeSin: well I think some 1/3 fits like 07:18:749 (2,3,4) -
00:42 Frostmourne: I should have mentioned this before
00:42 Frostmourne: if I hadn't missed them..
00:42 UnitedWeSin: it's confusing though
00:42 UnitedWeSin: like extending into 1/4 but it's 1/3
00:42 Frostmourne: it's vague imo
00:42 Frostmourne: yeaa
00:42 UnitedWeSin: :<

Byakugan249

00:52 UnitedWeSin: hey byakugan
00:57 Byakugan249: ahh hey~ o/
00:57 UnitedWeSin: hi how are you?
00:57 Byakugan249: i'm good ><
00:57 UnitedWeSin: cool
00:58 Byakugan249: well kind of--i left the team due to personal issues ><
00:58 UnitedWeSin: ah >< sorry to hear
00:58 Byakugan249: it's fine
00:58 Byakugan249: until i can solve everything, i'll be back
00:58 UnitedWeSin: cool hope to see you back^^
00:58 Byakugan249: yea i hope ><
00:59 UnitedWeSin: hey if you've got time now, do you mind taking a look at this map I'm modding?
00:59 UnitedWeSin: unsure about this thing
00:59 Byakugan249: ehh~ sure i can help o.o
00:59 UnitedWeSin: cool
00:59 *UnitedWeSin is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/283252 Oratorio The World God Only Knows - God only knows -Secrets of the Goddess- [The World Guy Only Knows]]
00:59 Byakugan249: what's the map?
01:00 Byakugan249: TWGOK o.o
01:00 UnitedWeSin:
01:00 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 - this part
01:00 UnitedWeSin: I feel like a lot of this 1/3 is totally overmaped
01:05 Byakugan249: from that part to...
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:58:652 -
01:06 UnitedWeSin: like 07:18:167 (1) - should be snapped to 07:18:604 -
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:19:623 (5) - i can't hear drums in 1/4
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 1/3 sounds weird
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) - same
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:28:361 (1) - should be snapped later
01:07 UnitedWeSin: 07:25:254 (2) - should be snapped int 1/4 right?
01:07 Byakugan249: the 1st one, i agree...it should be snapped to the 1/2 tick
01:08 Byakugan249: actually a 1/4 repeat would fit here at 07:19:623 (4) - ...you can hear a short drumroll
01:09 UnitedWeSin: or triplet at 07:19:769 -
01:10 Byakugan249: ahh that works :3
01:10 Byakugan249: if that's the case...a circle should be added at 07:19:263 - to keep the flow steady since it's following the drums
01:11 UnitedWeSin: did you mean at 07:19:623 - ?
01:11 Byakugan249: the next one...a 4 note stream seems to fit since it follows the drums o.o
01:11 UnitedWeSin: oh
01:11 UnitedWeSin: wtf
01:12 Byakugan249: ahh yes
01:12 Byakugan249: add a circle there--you said a triplet right?
01:12 UnitedWeSin: ah yea and triplet at 07:19:769 -
01:12 UnitedWeSin: could be same at 07:21:371 -
01:13 Byakugan249: ahh for consistency
01:13 UnitedWeSin: but 4 note stream works also it seems
01:13 Byakugan249: ok then
01:13 Byakugan249: yea
01:13 Byakugan249: it's up to you, i'm just giving ideas
01:13 Byakugan249: 7:28--later as in by 1/4 or 1/2?
01:13 UnitedWeSin: do you think 1/3 like 07:18:749 (2,3) - is working?
01:14 UnitedWeSin: yea should be snapped to 07:28:798 - red tick
01:14 Byakugan249: yea it's fine since it follows the vocals nicely
01:14 Byakugan249: yea i agree with the 1/2 snap
01:15 Byakugan249: the next one--7:25...
01:15 Byakugan249: 1/2
01:15 Byakugan249: 1/4 plays a bit awkwardly IMO
01:15 UnitedWeSin: err 1/2
01:15 UnitedWeSin:
01:16 UnitedWeSin: I ment should be snapped at 07:25:302 -
01:16 UnitedWeSin: and ending 1/2 later
01:18 UnitedWeSin: I don't know what to suggest here ;w;
01:18 UnitedWeSin: because scorpior didn't say anything about it
01:20 Byakugan249: let's see o.o
01:21 Byakugan249: 07:37:098 (2) - i find the repeat unnecessary orz
01:22 UnitedWeSin: did same at 07:35:351 (2) -
01:24 Byakugan249: that can be easily replaced for a 1/1 slider and a 1/2 slider to follow the music properly
01:25 UnitedWeSin: totally ><
01:25 UnitedWeSin: I'm mostly concerned with the 1/3 here :<
01:30 Byakugan249: hmm...
01:31 Byakugan249: i'm re-snapping the notes back to 1/2 to see the difference atm
01:31 UnitedWeSin: I feel like all the 1/3 sliders that aren't following vocals, ie 07:28:069 (7) - , should be removed
01:31 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) -
01:33 Byakugan249: that slider you mentioned at 7:28...listen carefully to the drums
01:34 Byakugan249: actually...that should be 1/2
01:34 UnitedWeSin: yea lots of sliders are like that here
01:34 UnitedWeSin: 07:36:516 (6) -
01:34 UnitedWeSin: 07:37:972 (5) -
01:34 UnitedWeSin: `07:39:720 (8) -
01:35 Byakugan249: yea i see it o.o
01:35 Byakugan249: i say pop it because of the 1/3 notes not being 1/2--1/3 doesn't seem to follow the song
01:35 Byakugan249: you may need more opinions about this however
01:36 UnitedWeSin: I feel like some of them do fit
01:36 UnitedWeSin: they seems to sound good when there is no hit in 1/2
01:36 UnitedWeSin: like for 07:19:041 (3,4) -
01:37 Byakugan249: ohh...if you say that fits, say it as a suggestion about the notes being 1/4 and 1/2, and see what the mapper says
01:46 Byakugan249: is that all for now? o.o
01:46 UnitedWeSin: ah yes thank you very much for the help
01:47 Byakugan249: np and GL

Andrea

01:40 UnitedWeSin: hey do you mind checking this?
01:40 Andrea: gogo!
01:40 *UnitedWeSin is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/283252 Oratorio The World God Only Knows - God only knows -Secrets of the Goddess- [The World Guy Only Knows]]
01:40 UnitedWeSin: ;w
01:40 UnitedWeSin: ;;
01:40 Andrea: Guy's map <3
01:40 Andrea: that loooong map XD
01:40 UnitedWeSin: lol I was going to rank it
01:40 Andrea: approve it already!
01:41 UnitedWeSin: but I feel the 1/3 in this part is way overmapped :<
01:41 Andrea: where? ><
01:41 Andrea: Byaku is checking it too
01:41 Andrea: I think
01:41 UnitedWeSin: I asked for byaku's opinion on it
01:41 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 -
01:41 Andrea: downloading
01:43 UnitedWeSin: things like this
01:43 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 (1) - should be snapped at 07:18:604 -
01:43 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:749 (2) - drums are in 1/2 here
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 1/3 doesn't fit
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 07:19:623 (5) - same
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) - clearly hear drums in 1/2
01:44 Andrea: yeah I'm unsure about them too D:
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 07:28:069 (7) -
01:44 UnitedWeSin: same
01:44 UnitedWeSin: ;w;
01:44 Andrea: the map is awesome though
01:44 UnitedWeSin: it really is
01:45 UnitedWeSin: confused because scorp didn't mention them
01:45 Andrea: stupid weird snapping xD
01:45 Andrea: true
01:45 UnitedWeSin: I asked frost and he agreed that they are wrong
01:45 Andrea: I somehow agree too orz

UnitedWeSin wrote:

Hi Guy. Really awesome map, just this that bothers me.

07:18:167 - Don't you think the 1/3 in this section is pretty overmapped? Some things aren't snapped correctly for example:

1. 07:18:167 (1) - Should end at 07:18:604 to follow the music.
   
2. 07:25:254 (2) - Should be snapped to 07:25:302 and end at 07:25:448.
   
3. 07:28:361 (1) -^ Should end at 07:28:798.

I feel that a lot of the sliders would be better off snapped in 1/2, maybe all of them. For example:

1. 07:18:749 (2) - I hear drums at 07:18:895 in 1/2.
   
2. 07:19:623 (5) - Again drums in 1/2 at 07:19:769.
   
3. 07:21:371 (6) - Triplet at 07:21:516 is called for. Drum transition is clearly heard in 1/2.
   
4. 07:24:575 (5) - Only sound is music is at 07:24:720. The piano is in 1/2, so the 1/3 feels weird.
   
5. 07:28:069 (7) - Drums can be heard in 1/2 at 07:28:215.
   
6. 07:28:943 (2) - Music is heard clearly in 1/2 at 07:29:089.
   
7. 07:36:516 (6) - I'm hearing 1/2 at 07:36:662.
   
8. 07:37:972 (5) - Drums hitting in 1/2 07:38:118.
   
9. 07:39:720 (8) - Same
   
10. 07:44:671 (7) -
    
11. 07:51:370 (6) - Same

Basically the only 1/3 sliders that kind of fit are ones like 07:19:041 (2,3) where there are no hits in 1/2 in the song. But then again I don't really see a reason for the 1/3.

I talked with a few other BATs to get opinions.

Frostmourne

00:29 UnitedWeSin: hey frost
00:33 Frostmourne: hey
00:34 UnitedWeSin: hey if you have time, can you look at this?
00:34 UnitedWeSin: plzplz ;w;
00:35 Frostmourne: oh sure
00:35 *UnitedWeSin is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/283252 Oratorio The World God Only Knows - God only knows -Secrets of the Goddess- [The World Guy Only Knows]]
00:36 Frostmourne: aha
00:37 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 - this part
00:37 UnitedWeSin: isn't some of thi 1/3 really overmapped?
00:38 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 (1) - shouldn't be snapped to 07:18:604 - ?
00:39 Frostmourne: em...
00:39 Frostmourne: this part is confusing
00:39 Frostmourne: to be honest
00:39 Frostmourne: I am not sure either
00:39 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) - drums are clearly in 1/4 here
00:39 UnitedWeSin: 1/3 is confusing ><
00:40 Frostmourne: yea Dx
00:40 UnitedWeSin: 07:25:254 (2) - should be snapped at 07:25:302 (2) - ?
00:40 UnitedWeSin: 07:28:361 (1) - snapped at 07:28:798 -
00:41 Frostmourne: maybe
00:41 Frostmourne: orz..
00:41 Frostmourne: it's kinda
00:41 Frostmourne: my big mistake for this one
00:41 Frostmourne: em..
00:41 Frostmourne: it should be 1/4
00:41 Frostmourne: 1/2*
00:41 Frostmourne: nothing else
00:42 UnitedWeSin: well I think some 1/3 fits like 07:18:749 (2,3,4) -
00:42 Frostmourne: I should have mentioned this before
00:42 Frostmourne: if I hadn't missed them..
00:42 UnitedWeSin: it's confusing though
00:42 UnitedWeSin: like extending into 1/4 but it's 1/3
00:42 Frostmourne: it's vague imo
00:42 Frostmourne: yeaa
00:42 UnitedWeSin: :<

Byakugan249

00:52 UnitedWeSin: hey byakugan
00:57 Byakugan249: ahh hey~ o/
00:57 UnitedWeSin: hi how are you?
00:57 Byakugan249: i'm good ><
00:57 UnitedWeSin: cool
00:58 Byakugan249: well kind of--i left the team due to personal issues ><
00:58 UnitedWeSin: ah >< sorry to hear
00:58 Byakugan249: it's fine
00:58 Byakugan249: until i can solve everything, i'll be back
00:58 UnitedWeSin: cool hope to see you back^^
00:58 Byakugan249: yea i hope ><
00:59 UnitedWeSin: hey if you've got time now, do you mind taking a look at this map I'm modding?
00:59 UnitedWeSin: unsure about this thing
00:59 Byakugan249: ehh~ sure i can help o.o
00:59 UnitedWeSin: cool
00:59 *UnitedWeSin is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/283252 Oratorio The World God Only Knows - God only knows -Secrets of the Goddess- [The World Guy Only Knows]]
00:59 Byakugan249: what's the map?
01:00 Byakugan249: TWGOK o.o
01:00 UnitedWeSin:
01:00 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 - this part
01:00 UnitedWeSin: I feel like a lot of this 1/3 is totally overmaped
01:05 Byakugan249: from that part to...
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:58:652 -
01:06 UnitedWeSin: like 07:18:167 (1) - should be snapped to 07:18:604 -
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:19:623 (5) - i can't hear drums in 1/4
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 1/3 sounds weird
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) - same
01:06 UnitedWeSin: 07:28:361 (1) - should be snapped later
01:07 UnitedWeSin: 07:25:254 (2) - should be snapped int 1/4 right?
01:07 Byakugan249: the 1st one, i agree...it should be snapped to the 1/2 tick
01:08 Byakugan249: actually a 1/4 repeat would fit here at 07:19:623 (4) - ...you can hear a short drumroll
01:09 UnitedWeSin: or triplet at 07:19:769 -
01:10 Byakugan249: ahh that works :3
01:10 Byakugan249: if that's the case...a circle should be added at 07:19:263 - to keep the flow steady since it's following the drums
01:11 UnitedWeSin: did you mean at 07:19:623 - ?
01:11 Byakugan249: the next one...a 4 note stream seems to fit since it follows the drums o.o
01:11 UnitedWeSin: oh
01:11 UnitedWeSin: wtf
01:12 Byakugan249: ahh yes
01:12 Byakugan249: add a circle there--you said a triplet right?
01:12 UnitedWeSin: ah yea and triplet at 07:19:769 -
01:12 UnitedWeSin: could be same at 07:21:371 -
01:13 Byakugan249: ahh for consistency
01:13 UnitedWeSin: but 4 note stream works also it seems
01:13 Byakugan249: ok then
01:13 Byakugan249: yea
01:13 Byakugan249: it's up to you, i'm just giving ideas
01:13 Byakugan249: 7:28--later as in by 1/4 or 1/2?
01:13 UnitedWeSin: do you think 1/3 like 07:18:749 (2,3) - is working?
01:14 UnitedWeSin: yea should be snapped to 07:28:798 - red tick
01:14 Byakugan249: yea it's fine since it follows the vocals nicely
01:14 Byakugan249: yea i agree with the 1/2 snap
01:15 Byakugan249: the next one--7:25...
01:15 Byakugan249: 1/2
01:15 Byakugan249: 1/4 plays a bit awkwardly IMO
01:15 UnitedWeSin: err 1/2
01:15 UnitedWeSin:
01:16 UnitedWeSin: I ment should be snapped at 07:25:302 -
01:16 UnitedWeSin: and ending 1/2 later
01:18 UnitedWeSin: I don't know what to suggest here ;w;
01:18 UnitedWeSin: because scorpior didn't say anything about it
01:20 Byakugan249: let's see o.o
01:21 Byakugan249: 07:37:098 (2) - i find the repeat unnecessary orz
01:22 UnitedWeSin: did same at 07:35:351 (2) -
01:24 Byakugan249: that can be easily replaced for a 1/1 slider and a 1/2 slider to follow the music properly
01:25 UnitedWeSin: totally ><
01:25 UnitedWeSin: I'm mostly concerned with the 1/3 here :<
01:30 Byakugan249: hmm...
01:31 Byakugan249: i'm re-snapping the notes back to 1/2 to see the difference atm
01:31 UnitedWeSin: I feel like all the 1/3 sliders that aren't following vocals, ie 07:28:069 (7) - , should be removed
01:31 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) -
01:33 Byakugan249: that slider you mentioned at 7:28...listen carefully to the drums
01:34 Byakugan249: actually...that should be 1/2
01:34 UnitedWeSin: yea lots of sliders are like that here
01:34 UnitedWeSin: 07:36:516 (6) -
01:34 UnitedWeSin: 07:37:972 (5) -
01:34 UnitedWeSin: `07:39:720 (8) -
01:35 Byakugan249: yea i see it o.o
01:35 Byakugan249: i say pop it because of the 1/3 notes not being 1/2--1/3 doesn't seem to follow the song
01:35 Byakugan249: you may need more opinions about this however
01:36 UnitedWeSin: I feel like some of them do fit
01:36 UnitedWeSin: they seems to sound good when there is no hit in 1/2
01:36 UnitedWeSin: like for 07:19:041 (3,4) -
01:37 Byakugan249: ohh...if you say that fits, say it as a suggestion about the notes being 1/4 and 1/2, and see what the mapper says
01:46 Byakugan249: is that all for now? o.o
01:46 UnitedWeSin: ah yes thank you very much for the help
01:47 Byakugan249: np and GL

Andrea

01:40 UnitedWeSin: hey do you mind checking this?
01:40 Andrea: gogo!
01:40 *UnitedWeSin is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/283252 Oratorio The World God Only Knows - God only knows -Secrets of the Goddess- [The World Guy Only Knows]]
01:40 UnitedWeSin: ;w
01:40 UnitedWeSin: ;;
01:40 Andrea: Guy's map <3
01:40 Andrea: that loooong map XD
01:40 UnitedWeSin: lol I was going to rank it
01:40 Andrea: approve it already!
01:41 UnitedWeSin: but I feel the 1/3 in this part is way overmapped :<
01:41 Andrea: where? ><
01:41 Andrea: Byaku is checking it too
01:41 Andrea: I think
01:41 UnitedWeSin: I asked for byaku's opinion on it
01:41 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 -
01:41 Andrea: downloading
01:43 UnitedWeSin: things like this
01:43 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:167 (1) - should be snapped at 07:18:604 -
01:43 UnitedWeSin: 07:18:749 (2) - drums are in 1/2 here
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 1/3 doesn't fit
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 07:19:623 (5) - same
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 07:21:371 (6) - clearly hear drums in 1/2
01:44 Andrea: yeah I'm unsure about them too D:
01:44 UnitedWeSin: 07:28:069 (7) -
01:44 UnitedWeSin: same
01:44 UnitedWeSin: ;w;
01:44 Andrea: the map is awesome though
01:44 UnitedWeSin: it really is
01:45 UnitedWeSin: confused because scorp didn't mention them
01:45 Andrea: stupid weird snapping xD
01:45 Andrea: true
01:45 UnitedWeSin: I asked frost and he agreed that they are wrong
01:45 Andrea: I somehow agree too orz

Please tell me why you've used 1/3 in this section. ><

Let me know and I will do a mod on the whole map later.

1. 00:01:742 (1) - How about a whistle on the head instead of finish? Finish is pretty loud here imo.
   
2. 00:53:259 (2) - Missing NC I suppose considering 00:43:328 (1).
   
3. 01:01:322 (1) - Highly suggest to end the spinner at 01:04:145 with the loud crash and change in music.
   
4. 01:50:380 (2) - NC? Follows your patterns like 01:56:027 (1).
   
5. 02:09:439 (1,2) - Just suggestion feel free to ignore. How about remove NC from 1 and add to 2, then place in blanket with 02:08:380 (6)?
   
   Example

   
   I'd prefer NC at 02:09:792 because of volume/music change.
6. 02:50:027 (7) - Remove whistle from the head and just have clap maybe follow music more nicely. Four whistles in a row is loud here.
   
7. 03:26:380 (1) - You need to resnap the end of the spinner to 03:28:861 so that the end is 20% volume instead of 60%. To do that, go past the red line in the timeline, extend the spinner over the red line, then back onto it.
   
8. 05:24:407 (5,1,2,3) - Rhythm a bit weird here. Music calls for more like this:
   
   Example

   
   Replaced 05:24:407 (5) with single circle.
9. 05:28:345 (9,1) - Seems a bit weird the placement. It makes the player think that 9 has another repeat. I suggest move the 1 more right. Here's what I mean:
   
   Example

   
10. 05:48:970 (9) - I'd suggest to shorten this by 1/4 to end at 05:49:157 since the drums have a clear hit there. With the slider extended like this, it's awkward to read the rhythm on the stream 05:49:345 (10,11,12,13).
    
    Example

    
11. 06:27:972 (8) - Remove clap from the end? Seems pretty loud to me here.
    
12. 06:31:829 to 06:38:472 - How about start lower volume and gradually increase volume through this part. I will fit music well. Something like this:
    06:31:829 - 35%
    06:33:543 - 40%
    06:35:257 - 45%
    06:36:972 - 50%
    Just example volumes. You can experiment with it.
    
13. 06:38:472 (1,2,1) - A bit difficult to read. Try to make more spacing between 06:38:472 (1,2) to make the rhythm more obvious. I tried pointing the 06:38:472 (1) upwards and it seems to be better, maybe you could experiment. Maybe a NC on 06:38:900 (2) is appropriate. Here's what I tried:
    
    Example

    
14. 09:16:656 - Same as 03:26:380 (1). Snap the end of the spinner to here so that the end is 40% volume. Right now it's 80%.
    
15. 10:07:281 (4) - Try removing the whistle from the head to just follow vocals here. See if you like it.

UnitedWeSin wrote:

Cool, here's mod on the rest.
No KD

[The World Guy Only Knows]

1. 00:01:742 (1) - How about a whistle on the head instead of finish? Finish is pretty loud here imo. - fixed
   
2. 00:53:259 (2) - Missing NC I suppose considering 00:43:328 (1). - fixed
   
3. 01:01:322 (1) - Highly suggest to end the spinner at 01:04:145 with the loud crash and change in music. - fixed
   
4. 01:50:380 (2) - NC? Follows your patterns like 01:56:027 (1). - fixed
   
5. 02:09:439 (1,2) - Just suggestion feel free to ignore. How about remove NC from 1 and add to 2, then place in blanket with 02:08:380 (6)?
   
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   I'd prefer NC at 02:09:792 because of volume/music change. - nice!
6. 02:50:027 (7) - Remove whistle from the head and just have clap maybe follow music more nicely. Four whistles in a row is loud here. - fixed
   
7. 03:26:380 (1) - You need to resnap the end of the spinner to 03:28:861 so that the end is 20% volume instead of 60%. To do that, go past the red line in the timeline, extend the spinner over the red line, then back onto it. - oops fixed
   
8. 05:24:407 (5,1,2,3) - Rhythm a bit weird here. Music calls for more like this:
   
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   Replaced 05:24:407 (5) with single circle. - fixed
9. 05:28:345 (9,1) - Seems a bit weird the placement. It makes the player think that 9 has another repeat. I suggest move the 1 more right. Here's what I mean: - fixed
   
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10. 05:48:970 (9) - I'd suggest to shorten this by 1/4 to end at 05:49:157 since the drums have a clear hit there. With the slider extended like this, it's awkward to read the rhythm on the stream 05:49:345 (10,11,12,13). - good, fixed
    
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11. 06:27:972 (8) - Remove clap from the end? Seems pretty loud to me here. - fixed
    
12. 06:31:829 to 06:38:472 - How about start lower volume and gradually increase volume through this part. I will fit music well. Something like this:
    06:31:829 - 35%
    06:33:543 - 40%
    06:35:257 - 45%
    06:36:972 - 50%
    Just example volumes. You can experiment with it. - really nice your suggest xD
    
13. 06:38:472 (1,2,1) - A bit difficult to read. Try to make more spacing between 06:38:472 (1,2) to make the rhythm more obvious. I tried pointing the 06:38:472 (1) upwards and it seems to be better, maybe you could experiment. Maybe a NC on 06:38:900 (2) is appropriate. Here's what I tried: - fixed
    
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14. 09:16:656 - Same as 03:26:380 (1). Snap the end of the spinner to here so that the end is 40% volume. Right now it's 80%. - fixed
    
15. 10:07:281 (4) - Try removing the whistle from the head to just follow vocals here. See if you like it. - fixed

Wonderful map!

Scorpiour wrote:

A minor stuff:

Please uncheck the Letterbox during break

no kds to this post

i'll recheck it after you fix that