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shinytentacool
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shinytentacool
DoDonPachi and its sequels, Mushihime-sama Futari, Ibara. Arcade shooters win by default since they're designed to kill you quickly and take your money.

I wanna be the guy is worthy of mention but, it's mostly built around pattern memorization and not actual difficulty. Plus it has a save feature, so it might take you forever but you'll beat it eventually. Not what I'd consider hard.
Bunnrei
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Bunnrei
Synthesia
hitty40
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hitty40
Dwarf Fortress. Never had in my entire life attempted to defend a fortress of over 400 dwarves until now.
blobman000
3 posts
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blobman000
I'm absolutely terrible at Touhou and Megaman games.

With Touhou, there are so many bullets on the screen that I lose focus and die. With Megaman, I can never make it past bosses. By the time I'm actually able to dodge their attacks, I'm either dead or about to die.
Thimeeh
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Thimeeh
Ninja Gaidens for Xbox/Xbox 360 are all around challenging even on the easiest difficulty. I don't think I passed any of the bosses on first try. I actually beat Ninja Gaiden 2 on mentor difficulty(took some time...) only to unlock master ninja and realize I can't beat the first level.

And a case I recently stumbled upon: Tomba/Tombi on PSX. At first it's easy going, but then there's this cave with no floor and enemies flying all around. Drained all of my lives I had collected :(
Azure_Kite
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Thimeeh wrote:

And a case I recently stumbled upon: Tomba/Tombi on PSX. At first it's easy going, but then there's this cave with no floor and enemies flying all around. Drained all of my lives I had collected :(
I had a demo of Tombi on my PSX when I was a kid, It was my favourite game on the platform at the time xD
07 Ghost
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07 Ghost
Unofficial would be QWOP. Otherwise its Superman 64 on the n64. That is literally one of the worst rated games in history.
Thimeeh
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Thimeeh

Azure_Kyte wrote:

Thimeeh wrote:

And a case I recently stumbled upon: Tomba/Tombi on PSX. At first it's easy going, but then there's this cave with no floor and enemies flying all around. Drained all of my lives I had collected :(
I had a demo of Tombi on my PSX when I was a kid, It was my favourite game on the platform at the time xD
I had that on demo too. When I recently got the PSX emulator to play FFIX again, I remembered Tombi and few others from those demos of my childhood so I got them too. The demo gives really wrong image about the brutality of that game. It really hurt my HC-gamer pride to admit that I can't beat that game :(
GladiOol
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GladiOol
Ninja Gaiden 2

fuckfuckfuck I'm never going to touch it again, I'm afraid I'll break my xbox.
Thimeeh
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Thimeeh

GladiOol wrote:

Ninja Gaiden 2

fuckfuckfuck I'm never going to touch it again, I'm afraid I'll break my xbox.
You should. It's one of the best games on the system. Partly because it offers some challenge unlike most of the games nowadays.

Another crazy PSX game: Bust-A-Groove. As a kid I had this on a demo as well, although I never managed to beat it. Thinking I was a kid then and could handle it as an adult. It can't be that hard as I remember it, I just didn't understand the mechanics.
Can't beat the first stage. xD
awp
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Well, I've got a new hardest game. Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. First five stages are throwaway easy, but each level is tougher than the last and by Stage 6 or 7 they're squeezing you by the balls. I'm at Stage 10 with no end in sight, and I can't imagine it getting much more difficult without it boiling down to a pile of luck or a requirement that I use a Tool Assistant in order to actually place objects where I want them to go (which afaik is impossible on a PS3)
RemmyX25
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awp wrote:

Well, I've got a new hardest game. Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. First five stages are throwaway easy, but each level is tougher than the last and by Stage 6 or 7 they're squeezing you by the balls. I'm at Stage 10 with no end in sight, and I can't imagine it getting much more difficult without it boiling down to a pile of luck or a requirement that I use a Tool Assistant in order to actually place objects where I want them to go (which afaik is impossible on a PS3)
Just wait until you get to Robotnik. (i'm assuming you havent changed your settings and are playing on Normal.) He's relentless and a genius, just as he's known for. He throws chains and combos you couldn't come up with in seconds time like he can.
awp
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Actually I'm pretty sure I set the game to Easy (if that's an option)
tyrael6192
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tyrael6192
Yu-Gi-Oh Forbidden Memories... GOD, the bit where Joey goes missing and you have to fight the guardians of the tomb and ARGH FFFFS
awp
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RemmyX25 wrote:

Just wait until you get to Robotnik. (i'm assuming you havent changed your settings and are playing on Normal.) He's relentless and a genius, just as he's known for. He throws chains and combos you couldn't come up with in seconds time like he can.
Surprisingly, I had very little difficulty after Stage 10, and Robotnik only took me about 10 minutes
Vext_old
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Vext_old
I'm gonna be obscure and throw out playing Resident Evil 5 on the classic controls easter egg. Now that is an interesting challenge.
Nharox
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Nharox

awp wrote:

Well, I've got a new hardest game. Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. First five stages are throwaway easy, but each level is tougher than the last and by Stage 6 or 7 they're squeezing you by the balls. I'm at Stage 10 with no end in sight, and I can't imagine it getting much more difficult without it boiling down to a pile of luck or a requirement that I use a Tool Assistant in order to actually place objects where I want them to go (which afaik is impossible on a PS3)
Great game, too bad the gameplay has some flaws and is very easy if you know how to make chains. I recommend Puyo Puyo! 15th Anniversary, the best one in the series.
WhoAteFred
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WhoAteFred

Nharox wrote:

very easy if you know how to make chains.
and outrageously difficult if you don't. Hence why I'll never enjoy the Puyo series.
awp
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Half my combos are made by accident
pieguyn
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osu!

Touhou 6...took me forever to 1cc even on Normal. :cry:
Hika
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Hika
I'm gonna honestly have to say Shining Force EXA.

OH LOL, NINJA GAIDEN 2. I've destroyed about 2 xbox controllers while playing due to endless rage.
imRitaka
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imRitaka
I'm gonna say Spyro: Ripto's Rage.
For anyone who's played this, you know why.
Trouble with the trolly, eh?
WhoAteFred
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WhoAteFred

Ritaka wrote:

Spyro: Ripto's Rage.
Not really. To be honest, the first game as a whole was harder than that.
Elite Ninja
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Elite Ninja

Ritaka wrote:

I'm gonna say Spyro: Ripto's Rage.
For anyone who's played this, you know why.
Trouble with the trolly, eh?
I played that game years ago but I dont recall it being hard. Maybe trying to 100% the game was tough.
Yuzeyun
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pieguy1372 wrote:

osu!

Touhou 6...took me forever to 1cc even on Normal. :cry:
You shouldn't say that, it's horribly easy with a STABLE framerate...
SPOILER
Stage 1 avg fps : 12-15
Stage 2 avg fps : 51-53
Stage 3 avg fps : 28-29
Stage 4 avg fps : 18-23
Stage 5 avg fps : fuckthisshitidontpassitbecauseofthisfuckingframerate

The hardest video game I've ever encountered ? Maybe George Foreman's KO, something like that on NES. I never understood WTF was that. Keep failing, Gezo~
Elite Ninja
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Elite Ninja
hmm hardest game............ cant think of any really. Anti Idle: The Game only because it takes over a year to just complete it. Its not difficult but its VERY time consuming.
mathexpert
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mathexpert
Beating ballos from the sacred grounds (hell) from cave story was really hard. (it probably took me at least a month of suffering playing to beat it :P)
imRitaka
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imRitaka

WhoAteFred wrote:

Ritaka wrote:

Spyro: Ripto's Rage.
Not really. To be honest, the first game as a whole was harder than that.
Trust me, being eight or so, it was torture.
vampireknight123
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vampireknight123
Well unofficial Game i would say Touhou Imperishable Night and Official i would say Monster Hunter Freedom Unite ;D
Thimeeh
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Thimeeh
Hmm. Playing Resident Evil 5 alone at the hardest difficulty(haven't tried others. Might apply on easier diffs also) needs a mention. Trying to keep Sheva from dying or mess things up generally is a difficult chore indeed. Babysitting Ashley in RE4 was much easier.
rust45
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mathexpert9981 wrote:

Beating ballos from the sacred grounds (hell) from cave story was really hard. (it probably took me at least a month of suffering playing to beat it :P)
Honestly, after I beat hell for the first time, I was able to go through it without much trouble on my next playthrough with the snake. Trust me, you do it again now, it will be a whole lot easier for you.

Now doing it with 3 HP, that's another story.
awp
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rust45 wrote:

Now doing it with 3 HP, that's another story.

that took me ages to do, but I had a harder time getting TO Ballos with 3HP than I did beating him.
Suzumiya-H
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Suzumiya-H
Osu
Sander-Don
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Suzumiya-H wrote:

Osu
what is 'Osu'?
Suzumiya-H
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Suzumiya-H
http://osu.ppy.sh/

More information right there.
Sander-Don
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Sander-Don
i think you mean osu!.
jonathan_old
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Goldeneye Wii on 007 Classic.
DarKAng3l426
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Loginer wrote:

Yeah, it's not a real video game if it wasn't published by EA or Activision.

I Wanna Be The Guy, no contest. Hardest game without cheap deaths would probably be Super Meat Boy.
I wanna be the guy is a fucking ass hard game, IF your not used to it like me :P but shit, I Wanna be the guy are the most good games out there man, espicailly all of them are made with game maker (i know, I made one.) , I'm gonna go play them again :D
Pokebis
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Pokebis
I think people do a bad job at judging what "hard" means.
Games that people say are "hard" like Contra, Ghosts 'n Goblins, IWBTG, etc. are initially "hard" because you die a lot in them in the beginning.
But if you don't give up because it's too "hard" and you keep trying you can beat the games in around a week. Sure self-challenges like 1cc some Touhous on Lunatic could also be "hard" and take like 3 weeks - a month to accomplish. The thing is: if you dedicate yourself to a game you can beat it rather quickly after a bit of practice.

But when you look at learning curves I'd say Beatmania IIDX is a game you could call "hard."
It doesn't matter how dedicated you are, you can play every day for an entire year and still not be able to pass some 7s. The learning curve is that insane. A year. An entire year of the same game and it can still be too hard for you. I don't think it really has much of a contest. You guys are smalltime.
Rantai
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Going by that I could say Stepmania is the hardest game ever.

I played for 2 years everyday and still fail 14+ songs.

It comes down to the person and their affinity for the game.

Yes, I suck. Guess I'll clarify that I'm not agreeing with the above.
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WhoAteFred
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WhoAteFred
Rhythm games are generally hard, if only by the fact that they require skills only gained from said game, unlike games that can be beat by blatant save scumming.
Yuzeyun
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Yuzeyun

Rantai wrote:

Going by that I could say Stepmania is the hardest game ever.

I played for 2 years everyday and still fail 14+ songs.

It comes down to the person and their affinity for the game.

Yes, I suck.
Stop saying this. I hardly passed TsupseudogamusH on Hard after 2 years...


now I pass some Hard Song Megapack's songs lololololol (god tier songs LOL)
Chuggles
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Chuggles
The obvious one would be IWBTG, getting past/to the first boss is an achivement for me and most other people, but hte game can be worked though, and I agree with the people who are saying games like IWBTG and Super Meat Boy aren't really hard, they're just tiresome.

For a hard game, Metroid Prime Hunters for the Nintendo DS is the most frustrating game I've played - easy enough shooting things when cover's around, but when it isn't, and the control system doesn't like left handers (like me </3), it makes the game almost impossible - never got past the first room - let alone the first boss.
gabzoz456
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gabzoz456
for me it was bunny most die its realy hard
Coro
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Coro
Platformer: I wanna be the guy, Super Meat Boy, and of course Battletoads 8D
Sh'mup: Any game made by Cave Co, but especially DoDonPachi Daifukkatsu & Mushihimesama Futari. Oh, and Touhou.
Rhythm: beatmaniaIIDX, hands down. jubeat is also pretty tough 8D. Oh, and o2mania.
Hiryuu_old
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Hiryuu_old
Super Meat Boy and I Wanna Be The Guy. Very hard games.
Copter-kun
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Copter-kun
Like Zekeira, I found IIDX really hard. Another diff was too wtf to me. With an addition, playing on a keyboard (Lunatic Rave 2) is much harder
MikkuMiku
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MikkuMiku

ShinseinaTenshi wrote:

Super Meat Boy and I Wanna Be The Guy. Very hard games.
Yeah, I Wanna Be The Guy was very tough. I can't believe my brother completed the game.
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Ninja Gaiden I. Kicked. My. Ass.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I recently downloaded MegaMari, which is a megaman game with a touhou twist to it. That's basically taking two of the most mentioned games in this topic (barring IWBTG because that wasn't hard moreso stupid) and forging them together into solidified death.

I'm not even kidding. Every enemy gets attack patterns as complicated as you'd expect from a touhou-based platformer, the incredible lack of extra lives at the start is almost never enough to get to the boss with even the slightest modicum of chance.

Did I mention all boss patterns are based off of actual touhou spellcards?

Though I have to admit, Marisa has a very small hitbox, and with some luck you'll get the patterns you can dodge the best (every amount of health you deplete does fresh out the boss' array of bullet pattterns though) so it's not incredibly impossible. But still it has to be one of the hardest games I have ever laid eyes on.

Also, some special levels out of the Vip Mario series can qualify, but I only know them through raocow playthroughs, so I'm not the best judge for their exact difficulty.
Rantai
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I was playing Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter and just remembered how unforgiving this game is.

Didn't help I was playing multiplayer with some friends... which never makes things easier.
Loginer
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Started playing God Hand yesterday. I'm currently at stage 2 (Normal), and I haven't cleared a single area so far without dying at least once. It's not the hardest game I've ever played, but it's definitely another one of those difficult-yet-fair games a la Super Meat Boy.
awp
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I've been very tempted to fire up God Hand again, since I never got far. I do remember it kicking my ass though.
Pokebis
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Pokebis
I remember the controls being really horrible.
MoodyRPG
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MoodyRPG
well recently,i pass Chrono Trigger,what a hardest game man,Seriously
Esupanitix
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Esupanitix
Touhou. 10, 11, and 12 to be exact.

GOD DAMMIT KOISHI
THOSE STUPID HEARTS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAGH ;_;
Kert
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Kert
Bucky O'Hare on NES in hard mode when every single bullet kills you. I managed to get to the final boss on the real hardware though
And yeah Syobon Action 2
I even made some screenshots some time ago explaining my frustration
ok cool story goes here
After countless hundreds of tries I got to this place

ok. I thought I knew everything about it and had a perfect plan
But no

Well, I managed to pass this but just gave up here

(not to mention I had -902 tries by that time)
Gomo Psivarh
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Gomo Psivarh
NES Adventure Island...

The 3 BATs in level 8-3 part 4 are totally impossible...
gutsyGumshoe_old_1
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gutsyGumshoe_old_1
Persona 3 FES
Pokebis
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Pokebis

-Fluttershy- wrote:

Persona 3 FES
How?
Do you actually play video games?
gutsyGumshoe_old_1
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gutsyGumshoe_old_1

Pokebis wrote:

-Fluttershy- wrote:

Persona 3 FES
How?
Do you actually play video games?
Yes a lot actually. But the fact that the characters get tired so fast made it hard for me to level up. And being the fact that I'm too lazy to grind I never got many levels up. So it was tough .~. And the answer was crazy DX
AzureKikinak
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AzureKikinak
Demon's Souls

First week of me playing it was constant death, really fun once you can survive ^_^
Cant wait for Dark Souls =)
InfernoWonderland
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InfernoWonderland
The legend of Zelda: Link to the past -u- i never finish the game
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GIRP.
Micaela Mousiki
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*Thinks*
Hmmmm.....
For me, all games were hard in a way (I suck at games).
But, if I have to choose one...
Tohou *shot* (Don't remember which one *shot again*)
Chibithor
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Ignoring all the NES games I can think of, probably Super Meat Boy. It turned out to be one of my favorite Steam games though so I eventually got the Golden God achi. Honorable mention to IWBTG. It's harder than SMB, but in a very unfair manner, so it's more trial-and-error rather than being good at the game. At least the beginning, never bothered to go beyond it.
Tetsu_old
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Ninja Gaiden: Black & Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.
awp
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IWBTG's difficulty is largely fake though; ie once you learn all the Gotchas you can zip through it. I found Mega Man 9 to be the same way, which was why I was glad Mega Man 10's difficulty was a bit more legitimate.
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Lunah_old
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Obiously touhou
Azphyxia
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Azphyxia

Lunah wrote:

Obviously touhou
Apex_old
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Apex_old
Super Meat Boy.

I never had so much intense inertia problems,
until I play this game, that is.
Hard.
nanda2009
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nanda2009

Lunah wrote:

Obiously touhou
Slip
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Slip
Dark Souls,it's almost like dying is the whole purpose of the game
XK2238
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Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks (yes, an old game, lol :O).

Everything was easy though, but the final boss...
FisHie_old
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^ I know what you mean. :D
It was quite a fun game.
monochromesandwich
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Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne on Hard mode. INSANE BOSSES.
Rii_old_1
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for the CDi: Legend of Zelda: Faces of Evil
Blackiris
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Blackiris
Mushihime-sama Futari on ULTRA difficulty. It just makes Touhou's lunatic seem to be a piece of cake.
And IWBTG along with its Touhou crossover ("I Wanna Be The Shrine Maiden") are both quite difficult too...
I'd also mention Kagetsu Tohya - clearing it without using a walkthrough is not really a far cry from a slow-paced walk around the Ninth Circle of Hell.
Pizzicato
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Touhou 11: Subterranean Animism
orz
Zelmarked
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Zelmarked

Pizzicatto wrote:

Touhou 11: Subterranean Animism
Took me a long time to finish the extra on that one. One of the hardest patterns is the criss-cross hearts one, and then again next in reverse.
billy96
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1.Man Enough (PC)
Playing 4 games at once it's not easy, even when try to flirt with a guy in a blue sweater
2.Iji (PC)
Still having problem fighting Asha in Ultimortal D:
Ivalset
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I should play through Iji again, what a boss game that was.
Rick--
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GTA san andreas the last mission..i still stuck in this lavel == until today
hoihoisoi
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hoihoisoi
ALL TOUHOU HELL SHOOTERS (Even on easy, I get quite some kicks, as in I get screwed)
taiko_maniac1811
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hoihoisoi wrote:

ALL TOUHOU HELL SHOOTERS (Even on easy, I get quite some kicks, as in I get screwed)
X2
i only stuck at normal ==

easy is quite easy :3
Haseo_old
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Haseo_old

taiko_maniac1811 wrote:

easy is quite easy :3
No shit.

I tried I Wanna Be The Guy a few minutes ago. I died after 30 seconds.
FisHie_old
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FisHie_old
Zool was the hardest game in my childhood.

My dad was pro at it though.
Everytime I watched him play, I would go

It was incredible.
Rii_old_1
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Zelda: Wand of Gamelon

Also extremely hard, ganon shoots little light balls
Salvage
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Salvage
yu gi oh forbidden memories .. awesome and hard as hell game
Backfire
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Backfire

Salvage wrote:

yu gi oh forbidden memories .. awesome and hard as hell game
I liked mixing shit randomly and hoping to god they made something boss.
Salvage
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Salvage
lol yea, i used to remember good fusions tho (well, the sand witch thing 2100 with thousands of equipments and the dragon 2800 were the most common)


but after the mages you had to beat the laberinth guy, the 2 crocodile dudes, and like 4 guys more without saving in a row .. it was impossible.
Backfire
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Backfire
My friend and me spent hours upon hours trying to beat it. Getting stars was nigh impossible cause you get like 1 a fight, and if you wanna transfer cards in, you had to spend like 5 billion.
Salvage
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Salvage
i beated it with gameshark, otherwise it's impossible imo
Backfire
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Backfire
It's just really retarded >> But I loved it.
Hernan
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Hernan
I beated it, took like 2 or 3 months to gather some good cards but totally worth it /foreveralone
Salvage
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lier
bomber34
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bomber34
Metal Gear Solid 2 - Sons of Liberty

ON
EUROPEAN EXTREME

omg that is just insane (don't trust somebodys speedrun)
I destroyed my Ps2 controller at the end with this triangle button pressing over 3minutes.
I died over 2000 times !
but it was a worthy experience.

and btw IWBTG is easy :P
Emilescute
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For me it's currently The adventure of Link. My mom knows where everything are on that game and she's really amazing at it.. But I'm pretty much worthless on it... She even had to help to the last boss which I took myself XD
Armaggedon25
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Armaggedon25
Gonna add beatmaniaIIDX (Which I know was brought up in an earlier post) to my list, because the learning curve is the steepest I've ever seen for a rhythm game. The jump in difficulty between normal and hyper is ridiculous :(

I suppose in general bemani games are fairly challenging, but I find Jubeat very fun (and pretty easy). Never tried DrumMania or any of those though.
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