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It would be niced to have "loved" pp, that don't add to your normal pp, of course there should be a loved leaderboard aswell to keep things interesting 
Hello everyone!
I would like to suggest ranked multiplayer. What's ranked multiplayer you ask, well let me explain. For starters we all know that in multiplayer it is much harder to play, because of pressure and excitement of playing against other people and that enables us to do stupid mistakes, and not get the perfect play you were looking fore. So what if when you fool combo in ranked multiplayer instead of getting pp to your main score you would get pp to your total ranked multiplayer score.
This ranked multiplayer would go something like this. First you and other 8 players enter a lobby and you get a pool of songs of about 20 and they would be from most played songs from you and other players. Each player gets to ban 1 song from the pool, and you play best of 5. Winner is the one who gets most wins in the end, and pp is determined on how you did on all of the maps. so even if you win but you sucked you still get lover points, and if you came in last or fourth you loos points, the third plays gets out dry, 0 pints.
I just had this idea because i was tired of playing alone. I think something like this would drastically improve multiplayer and it would be more exciting to watch it played on twitch or other platforms. This is only my opinion tell me what do you people think what could be improved and if such a thing would be grate or not.
Best regards
Psyhoren
I would like to suggest ranked multiplayer. What's ranked multiplayer you ask, well let me explain. For starters we all know that in multiplayer it is much harder to play, because of pressure and excitement of playing against other people and that enables us to do stupid mistakes, and not get the perfect play you were looking fore. So what if when you fool combo in ranked multiplayer instead of getting pp to your main score you would get pp to your total ranked multiplayer score.
This ranked multiplayer would go something like this. First you and other 8 players enter a lobby and you get a pool of songs of about 20 and they would be from most played songs from you and other players. Each player gets to ban 1 song from the pool, and you play best of 5. Winner is the one who gets most wins in the end, and pp is determined on how you did on all of the maps. so even if you win but you sucked you still get lover points, and if you came in last or fourth you loos points, the third plays gets out dry, 0 pints.
I just had this idea because i was tired of playing alone. I think something like this would drastically improve multiplayer and it would be more exciting to watch it played on twitch or other platforms. This is only my opinion tell me what do you people think what could be improved and if such a thing would be grate or not.
Best regards
Psyhoren
Psyhoren wrote:
Hello everyone!
I would like to suggest ranked multiplayer. What's ranked multiplayer you ask, well let me explain. For starters we all know that in multiplayer it is much harder to play, because of pressure and excitement of playing against other people and that enables us to do stupid mistakes, and not get the perfect play you were looking fore. So what if when you fool combo in ranked multiplayer instead of getting pp to your main score you would get pp to your total ranked multiplayer score.
This ranked multiplayer would go something like this. First you and other 8 players enter a lobby and you get a pool of songs of about 20 and they would be from most played songs from you and other players. Each player gets to ban 1 song from the pool, and you play best of 5. Winner is the one who gets most wins in the end, and pp is determined on how you did on all of the maps. so even if you win but you sucked you still get lover points, and if you came in last or fourth you loos points, the third plays gets out dry, 0 pints.
I just had this idea because i was tired of playing alone. I think something like this would drastically improve multiplayer and it would be more exciting to watch it played on twitch or other platforms. This is only my opinion tell me what do you people think what could be improved and if such a thing would be grate or not.
Best regards
Psyhoren
Really like the idea, but i think the mappool system is not necessary, it would be enough to just get a random map out of all the ranked maps to avoid farming maps only
ImHope
xScreaMzx wrote:
Psyhoren wrote:
Hello everyone!
I would like to suggest ranked multiplayer. What's ranked multiplayer you ask, well let me explain. For starters we all know that in multiplayer it is much harder to play, because of pressure and excitement of playing against other people and that enables us to do stupid mistakes, and not get the perfect play you were looking fore. So what if when you fool combo in ranked multiplayer instead of getting pp to your main score you would get pp to your total ranked multiplayer score.
This ranked multiplayer would go something like this. First you and other 8 players enter a lobby and you get a pool of songs of about 20 and they would be from most played songs from you and other players. Each player gets to ban 1 song from the pool, and you play best of 5. Winner is the one who gets most wins in the end, and pp is determined on how you did on all of the maps. so even if you win but you sucked you still get lover points, and if you came in last or fourth you loos points, the third plays gets out dry, 0 pints.
I just had this idea because i was tired of playing alone. I think something like this would drastically improve multiplayer and it would be more exciting to watch it played on twitch or other platforms. This is only my opinion tell me what do you people think what could be improved and if such a thing would be grate or not.
Best regards
Psyhoren
Really like the idea, but i think the mappool system is not necessary, it would be enough to just get a random map out of all the ranked maps to avoid farming maps only
well yeah a random one would be great but also it should be a star range so you dont get 2* maps when youre like a 3 digit player.
pp...
xcakepiggie wrote:
remove hd pp bonus
says non hd player
I can not understand why half pp is not counted ...
played a card today, received 18 pp of which I received only 18pp, and this is not the first time, I lost about 100pp, and I want to turn to support so that they fix it.
played a card today, received 18 pp of which I received only 18pp, and this is not the first time, I lost about 100pp, and I want to turn to support so that they fix it.
I think the pp loss for getting a few 100's instead of SS on HR and other high OD stuff is kinda harsh, I think it should be toned down just a tad.
i'd suggest giving a beatmap a lower pp weighting based on how many people have it in their top plays, this makes farm maps worth much less pp, also possibly don't make ez affect pp since that's the easiest way to compensate for reading lol
I know my playtime is rather short but I personally would love the pp system come towards a more balanced gameplay meaning that a farm map would atleast have both jumps and burst to encourage players to have higher skill. It's also a good idea to make the PP reward higher if the map is longer just because consistency is harder overall than just hitting a 1 min pog map with jumps mainly being the focus.
I'm sure this has already been said before but it clearly wasn't addressed. Many people will argue "streams at this bpm are underweighted" or "jumps at this angle are underweighted." These may both be true but there are more pressing problems in the PP system. The first of which is the valuing of combo at all. I understand that combo is an important concept in regards to score in many rhythm games, but why should it have a say in how "skillful" or how good the performance of a player in regards to any one play was. A play that gets one miss on the last note, is worth almost as much as an FC, but a play that gets a miss in the middle of the map is worth comparatively little. There is no reason that this should happen, since a miss in the middle does not imply it was a "worse" miss than one at the end, but it is punished more harshly regardless. The second problem in the current pp system is the fact that sliderbreaks near the ends of maps barely matter at all, bringing down the pp of the score only by a few even if the score was upwards of 600 pp. If the sliderbreak was replaced with a miss, there would be a significantly larger penalty. Sliderbreaks are caused by the exact same problems as misses, you either misaimed or tapped at the wrong time, so why should they be punished any less? I understand that this problem may be harder to fix than the first but just a suggestion. And finally, the last major issue is the fact that slider ticks aren't weighted in terms of aim. This, again, might be a fairly hard to fix problem, but currently maps like Kikoko Doukoku Jigokuraku are incredibly underweighted. I understand that simply making the pp system treat the slider as if you moved your cursor along the slider properly could lead to issues with slider tick cheesing, but in that case why not just treat each slider tick as if there is a straight line to the next tick, regardless of the shape of the slider?
parallaxia wrote:
The first of which is the valuing of combo at all. I understand that combo is an important concept in regards to score in many rhythm games, but why should it have a say in how "skillful" or how good the performance of a player in regards to any one play was. A play that gets one miss on the last note, is worth almost as much as an FC, but a play that gets a miss in the middle of the map is worth comparatively little. There is no reason that this should happen, since a miss in the middle does not imply it was a "worse" miss than one at the end, but it is punished more harshly regardless.
Ah, welcome to the acc > combo club. Here at this club we spend years and years trying to convince std players that combo is poor mechanic and has issues. Please enjoy your stay!
Although it has nothing to do with pp and is more of a scoring issue...
abraker wrote:
parallaxia wrote:
The first of which is the valuing of combo at all. I understand that combo is an important concept in regards to score in many rhythm games, but why should it have a say in how "skillful" or how good the performance of a player in regards to any one play was. A play that gets one miss on the last note, is worth almost as much as an FC, but a play that gets a miss in the middle of the map is worth comparatively little. There is no reason that this should happen, since a miss in the middle does not imply it was a "worse" miss than one at the end, but it is punished more harshly regardless.
Ah, welcome to the acc > combo club. Here at this club we spend years and years trying to convince std players that combo is poor mechanic and has issues. Please enjoy your stay!
Although it has nothing to do with pp and is more of a scoring issue...
alright but I'd really love a misscount>acc club, every time someone sets a 50 miss on some 9* but some idiot comes around with 2% more acc and 20 more misses and everyone acts like the second play is better I'm infuriated
Is it now time to add multiplier/revision on Perfect mod (separating it to the Sudden Death mod)? HR and DT is getting popular this days.
Hello peeps, not sure what my suggestion would be considered but an option to turn off/on the Combo counter display?
old(ish) player getting back into OSU! again, still an amateur player though, but im sure having a (for myself) "high" combo on the left corner puts a bit of pressure. but i know i should block it out while playing but its distracting to know im doing slightly better each time.
just the little things.
old(ish) player getting back into OSU! again, still an amateur player though, but im sure having a (for myself) "high" combo on the left corner puts a bit of pressure. but i know i should block it out while playing but its distracting to know im doing slightly better each time.
just the little things.
The new rebalance is going to make almost everyone lose pp. Instead of reducing pp for farm maps, why not give pp bonuses to long maps? Losing pp will let the players feel discouraged to play the game, or even quit the game
You can disable other interface elements (like the combo counter) with pressing alt+tab. I also know that some skins have combo numbers as transparent, making only that invisible during gameplayCaboose_II wrote:
Hello peeps, not sure what my suggestion would be considered but an option to turn off/on the Combo counter display?
old(ish) player getting back into OSU! again, still an amateur player though, but im sure having a (for myself) "high" combo on the left corner puts a bit of pressure. but i know i should block it out while playing but its distracting to know im doing slightly better each time.
just the little things.
My pp is not adding pls help
So I played and in my history it says that the pp i gained from the map is ___ but overall pp doesn't increase or only adds 1 or 2. Im a new player and feels discouraging playing this game with this issue.
So I played and in my history it says that the pp i gained from the map is ___ but overall pp doesn't increase or only adds 1 or 2. Im a new player and feels discouraging playing this game with this issue.
That's not how it works, Your rank is determined by your pp, your best plays on maps don't just accumulate, the top players would have millions of pp if it worked like that. For example the nr1 player Whitecat has 19700pp at the moment.zzSlayer wrote:
My pp is not adding pls help
So I played and in my history it says that the pp i gained from the map is ___ but overall pp doesn't increase or only adds 1 or 2. Im a new player and feels discouraging playing this game with this issue.
Let's say you do a play on a map and it's worth 100pp and it's your new top rank so the game will count it 100% so you now have 100pp from it, when you do a new best play, for example 110pp your previous play from 100pp will drop a rank and will become worth less, you won't have 210pp but more like 205.
Simply put your best plays are counted the most, with everyother play not as much.
So keep improving and doing better plays and you will gain more and more pp
my problem was that it's the first time i cleared it with mods (newly downloaded song) and in history it said 24pp but it did not add to my overall pp. i cant understand this. sry
ESTA BIEN EL JUEGO NO TENGO QUEJAS
Again, pp doesn't accumulate, the play was worth 24pp but you probably already have much better plays wich are worth more so your total rank/pp didn't really get affected.zzSlayer wrote:
my problem was that it's the first time i cleared it with mods (newly downloaded song) and in history it said 24pp but it did not add to my overall pp. i cant understand this. sry
Or the server was lagging and it didn't add immediatly
everyone, i want a feedback
how to be faster at osu
anybody please
how to be faster at osu
anybody please
> Old play has 98% acc and sliderbreak
> Gets 100% acc and FC on the same map later
> Old play is somehow worth more
It may have been the spinners, but holy shit, if the deciding factor between which of the two was better is the spinners, that's kinda garbage in my opinion. I know I'm a new player but situations like these can be a little frustrating. If I'm misunderstanding how the scoring and pp system work, I'm sorry, just ignore this if that's the case. I know it's probably not a bug, I'm just being salty is all.
> Gets 100% acc and FC on the same map later
> Old play is somehow worth more
It may have been the spinners, but holy shit, if the deciding factor between which of the two was better is the spinners, that's kinda garbage in my opinion. I know I'm a new player but situations like these can be a little frustrating. If I'm misunderstanding how the scoring and pp system work, I'm sorry, just ignore this if that's the case. I know it's probably not a bug, I'm just being salty is all.
A question: are there frequent updates on the pp system? Or is it something that is already consolidated and tehrefore there's no point in ranting on a thread like this?
ank on user profile not the same as rank on performance page/country page, which i guess is because of some hidden players. (Example: dragonhuman #8 and #4 country on profile, #6 on performance and #2 on country page)
Also what happens if i get a higher performance on a song where i already had a ranking. Just for example if i have HD+HR on Remote Control and then DT fc it, would the DT fc count?
Only if you beat your old score
Also what happens if i get a higher performance on a song where i already had a ranking. Just for example if i have HD+HR on Remote Control and then DT fc it, would the DT fc count?
Only if you beat your old score
The best part about playing osu! is it being skill based since i have only 1 day played but my pp is higher than the rest of people im my country who have been playing longer
make someone do impossible map with M1ll10n PP song by camellia and make it 1million PP but literally impossible and rakned
I would like to be way faster at this garbage game
Please buff lower AR on higher star ratings in the rebalance
Hey, I'm not sure if anyone on the developing side of osu! will see this, but I think it's something that needs to be said. Your ranking system is really cruel to those who have been inactive for loong periods of time. I just started playing again after just getting a good set up. Being gone for over 3/4 of the year, I'm not performing as well as I did months prior, so I want to play maps a BIT under my apparent skill ceiling, to get back in the rhythm of it. Here is where the issue lies: whenever I play through a map in the low 3 stars (my max is around 3.8 back then), let alone FC it; and I lose a LOT of rank!!! I get so tight when I lose hundreds of rankings for fc'ing a 3.3 star beatmap. HOWEVER, if I play a 3.5 map and get a B on it, I'll get a better result from it!! I know ranking isn't everything in this game, but it can be really demoralizing for someone who is trying to get into the game. again, not sure if anyone will see this in this dead of a forum.
Imma go back grinding and crying lol
Imma go back grinding and crying lol
Right now a lot of people are very active in this game, so losing ranks is not you performing "not as good", it's simply other people playing at the same time as you and getting more performance points to their profile. If you are playing after a very long break and you'll be active, soon enough you'll see yourself getting a fair amount of ranks. Don't worry about it and have fun, with patience you'll see situation changingMidwayLemur3 wrote:
I get so tight when I lose hundreds of rankings for fc'ing a 3.3 star beatmap. HOWEVER, if I play a 3.5 map and get a B on it, I'll get a better result from it!!
Imma go back grinding and crying lol
an issue i've been encountering ever since i started playing the game is that, per difficulty, the play with the highest score counts towards your rank, not the play with your highest performance points. this is incredibly frustrating as it makes it possible to lose rank when getting a new local #1 score with lower acc, and this happens to me alll of the time. for a famous example, if, after shigetora got his 817 on remote control, vaxei decided to hack into shigetora's account somehow and set his 813 which was higher score but lower pp, shigetora would lose 7 pp. this overall is not too huge of a deal, but it sucks. sucks quite a bit actually. yes, it is an actual thing. hand on heart, this is an actual thing. happened way too many times for it to be some kind of spectacular coincidence. i would be happy to spend some time providing some evidence if anyone thinks otherwise. thats not meant to be passive aggressive, i'm fine with doing it.
actually this may just be incorrect. mrekk's 1k on imagination overwrote his 900 even though it has lower score. strange. unless the addition of hr has something to do with this, i'm completely off the mark.
actually this may just be incorrect. mrekk's 1k on imagination overwrote his 900 even though it has lower score. strange. unless the addition of hr has something to do with this, i'm completely off the mark.
Oh, buffing lower AR is also nice.
I'm a 6-digit that just got this with the new pp system:
I thought for sure this would be my pp best on this map because it outshined my previous best in every aspect. However I check my plays and I see this:
I feel something is very wrong in how pp is calculated now. At least...exceptions like this should not exist.
Edit, this just in:
I have so many questions...
Are the in-game pp totals still using the old pp algorithm?
As for the Black Rover debacle, the combo count on the C rank was higher, and without NF, its score would be higher...but the acc is so bad and in that run I definitely would have failed so surely the pp value takes a hit no? So then I ask as well, are the pp values in our profiles all updated to the new algorithm?
I thought for sure this would be my pp best on this map because it outshined my previous best in every aspect. However I check my plays and I see this:
I feel something is very wrong in how pp is calculated now. At least...exceptions like this should not exist.
Edit, this just in:
I have so many questions...
Are the in-game pp totals still using the old pp algorithm?
As for the Black Rover debacle, the combo count on the C rank was higher, and without NF, its score would be higher...but the acc is so bad and in that run I definitely would have failed so surely the pp value takes a hit no? So then I ask as well, are the pp values in our profiles all updated to the new algorithm?
so I uh just went up 30k ranks after playing a map, (which by the way isn't any of my top plays) I'm assuming pp rework is here?
same here I just went up over 100k in ranks by playing a map.Messiah_ wrote:
so I uh just went up 30k ranks after playing a map, (which by the way isn't any of my top plays) I'm assuming pp rework is here?
Vivers wrote:
ok)
Messiah_ wrote:
so I uh just went up 30k ranks after playing a map, (which by the way isn't any of my top plays) I'm assuming pp rework is here?
Please be aware that there currently are major changes to the system in process. Read more in the related news article: home/news/2021-01-14-performance-points-updatesQneto wrote:
same here I just went up over 100k in ranks by playing a map.Messiah_ wrote:
so I uh just went up 30k ranks after playing a map, (which by the way isn't any of my top plays) I'm assuming pp rework is here?
Since nowadays, more tournaments are being hosted across different ranges. why not design an ai or some sort of compiler that would notice the similarities between the maps and difficulties of a pool to give pp according to the style of mapping that the maps are in. for example some 5.3* tech maps are about in equivalent difficulty as to those aim maps at 5.7 but they give way less pp. maybe if we could set maps with difficulties that are according to their tournament counterparts it would give a slightly more accurate representation of how much pp a map should deserve and reflect its difficulty slightly more accurately.
They dont do this because they dont have someone that can make an ai for this, but if they did it would most likley take a little while cause of how many ranked maps there are so many ranked maps.FourCan wrote:
Since nowadays, more tournaments are being hosted across different ranges. why not design an ai or some sort of compiler that would notice the similarities between the maps and difficulties of a pool to give pp according to the style of mapping that the maps are in. for example some 5.3* tech maps are about in equivalent difficulty as to those aim maps at 5.7 but they give way less pp. maybe if we could set maps with difficulties that are according to their tournament counterparts it would give a slightly more accurate representation of how much pp a map should deserve and reflect its difficulty slightly more accurately.
i bet that would work really well on mania thaniuzu wrote:
it would most likley take a little while cause of how many ranked maps there are so many ranked maps.
I went from 1.1 mil to 700k from the rework lol. Playing the map just updates all your stats post-rework and adjusts all your top playsQneto wrote:
same here I just went up over 100k in ranks by playing a map.Messiah_ wrote:
so I uh just went up 30k ranks after playing a map, (which by the way isn't any of my top plays) I'm assuming pp rework is here?
Are people still talking about the rework pp gain & loss? It happened in like January so by now all of you should've at least played 1 game since then. Maybe not, but if I remember right when the rework happened I initially dropped 80k ranks then gained like 180k the next day and it took me to 500k. Now 2 months later im at 160k hehe im a dirty pp farmer
edit:hehe i was post 2700
edit:hehe i was post 2700
CentricalMC
i joined after pp rework so i have no clue how it was before the rework.qtplutoh wrote:
Are people still talking about the rework pp gain & loss? It happened in like January so by now all of you should've at least played 1 game since then. Maybe not, but if I remember right when the rework happened I initially dropped 80k ranks then gained like 180k the next day and it took me to 500k. Now 2 months later im at 160k hehe im a dirty pp farmer
edit:hehe i was post 2700
hi guys, so my game is kinda broken. So long story short I want to rank up but I can't because i play maps and get some A's or B's from maps that are at my level and still don't get any rank the only time is when I go to school and play there, that's the only time that I can play and my rank goes up
das PP System ist ja mal so scheiße. Ich hasse den ersteller. Bitte ändern.
my best play is gone because I played the map again and got less pp.Tom94 wrote:
Hello everyone,
please leave your feedback for the Standard mode performance ranking here. Every suggestion is appreciated!
Changes to the system are documented in the changelog.
Great ranking, I love it when you see that you are improving
I know this is probably old, overposted, and a crappy suggestion, but I just want to put my opinion out here. I think that the scoring system should be just a little bit more lenient on combo and more based on accuracy. A choke is currently worse a lot less than a FC, and two comparable clears with one FC and one with a couple of misses have INCREDIBLY different scores. That's just my opinion though, please don't harass me for it. Instead, if you can have some constructive feedback and a reason why this is the case, I will gladly accept that.
I don't really know how it is measured because I get a B on one of the hardest levels I've ever completed and it gives me nothing, but then I get an A on some 2* level and it gives me 4 pp. so i think that the system should be explained more
This is one of the thing osu fails to explain to newcomers/beginners. People usually download this for fun or from recommendation, as I did, and they just play maps without even knowing anything about performance points (pp) and star ratings until they reach mid 6-digit. I too, just played without knowing anything about pp until one of my friends who play osu told me about it.Ro3B1E wrote:
I don't really know how it is measured because I get a B on one of the hardest levels I've ever completed and it gives me nothing, but then I get an A on some 2* level and it gives me 4 pp. so i think that the system should be explained more
So basically, pp is a reward system that is given for every ranked map you play (whether a map is ranked or not will be written in the map on the website). Higher pp is given for plays with 1. more jumps hit, 2. more streams hit, 3. better combo and 4. better accuracy. Also, the more misses you get, the less pp you will have at the end.
There are lots of other factors that will make the pp go down or up, but these are the main things.
So for example, if you hit a series of jumps without losing combo, depending on how hard it is to hit the jumps in a row, more pp will be rewarded. This also goes for streams; if you hit like 10 circles in a row that is right next to each other, it might increase the pp by a little (maybe like 1-5pp). However, if by any chance you miss or break your combo, you will start losing your pp, and how fast it goes down depends on how well you play after you lose the combo.
Another thing that will depend a lot will be accuracy. If a map gives like 100pp with 100% accuracy fc (full combo), it might give only like 85 pp if the accuracy is 95% (fc).
As long as you keep your combo, every 300 you get will increase your pp by any means. This is why if you lose your combo in the middle of a play, you will start losing combo until it eventually reaches an incredibly low amount of pp. Therefore, shorter maps are better/easier for getting pp, because a shorter map means less chance of losing combo frequently.
This also answers your question on the two plays you got. Even if you passed a really hard map with a grade of 'B', if you didn't keep your combo, accuracy, and did not hit any hard jumps, it is the reason why you got almost no pp at all. Same thing for your 2* play. Since you kept your accuracy high and combo for a while, you got more pp than the other play.
This isn't a detailed description of how pp works, there are lots of other things that will make the change in pp vary. Also it might be confusing but hope this answered your "pp question". Like I said, osu has to tell beginners about pp, they shouldn't expect people who are playing this game for fun to discover ranking and competition on their own.
In my opinion, some characteristics should be implemented in the star rating section and pp. Finger control is the hardest skill set in this game, more than stream, spaced streams and cross screen jumps and that skill set should value more pp. You gain pp from aim, accuracy and speed, finger control should be implemented in this and have more weight than these others. this site has some good changes in the star rating / pp system https://newpp.stanr.info Longer maps should give way more pp than short maps. The player should be more rewarded to FC a map that is 5 minutes or more even if they are not that hard, because consistency is a hard thing to develop and is a mental battle to FC longer maps, this should be more considered, the recent changes are not enough.
that is so useful to know thank you! ill keep in mind getting the higher combo but what are jumps and streams?purplemint wrote:
This is one of the thing osu fails to explain to newcomers/beginners. People usually download this for fun or from recommendation, as I did, and they just play maps without even knowing anything about performance points (pp) and star ratings until they reach mid 6-digit. I too, just played without knowing anything about pp until one of my friends who play osu told me about it.Ro3B1E wrote:
I don't really know how it is measured because I get a B on one of the hardest levels I've ever completed and it gives me nothing, but then I get an A on some 2* level and it gives me 4 pp. so i think that the system should be explained more
So basically, pp is a reward system that is given for every ranked map you play (whether a map is ranked or not will be written in the map on the website). Higher pp is given for plays with 1. more jumps hit, 2. more streams hit, 3. better combo and 4. better accuracy. Also, the more misses you get, the less pp you will have at the end.
There are lots of other factors that will make the pp go down or up, but these are the main things.
So for example, if you hit a series of jumps without losing combo, depending on how hard it is to hit the jumps in a row, more pp will be rewarded. This also goes for streams; if you hit like 10 circles in a row that is right next to each other, it might increase the pp by a little (maybe like 1-5pp). However, if by any chance you miss or break your combo, you will start losing your pp, and how fast it goes down depends on how well you play after you lose the combo.
Another thing that will depend a lot will be accuracy. If a map gives like 100pp with 100% accuracy fc (full combo), it might give only like 85 pp if the accuracy is 95% (fc).
As long as you keep your combo, every 300 you get will increase your pp by any means. This is why if you lose your combo in the middle of a play, you will start losing combo until it eventually reaches an incredibly low amount of pp. Therefore, shorter maps are better/easier for getting pp, because a shorter map means less chance of losing combo frequently.
This also answers your question on the two plays you got. Even if you passed a really hard map with a grade of 'B', if you didn't keep your combo, accuracy, and did not hit any hard jumps, it is the reason why you got almost no pp at all. Same thing for your 2* play. Since you kept your accuracy high and combo for a while, you got more pp than the other play.
This isn't a detailed description of how pp works, there are lots of other things that will make the change in pp vary. Also it might be confusing but hope this answered your "pp question". Like I said, osu has to tell beginners about pp, they shouldn't expect people who are playing this game for fun to discover ranking and competition on their own.
"Jumps" refer to a series of circles that approach and are far from each other. After you hit a circle, then another circle comes and is pretty far away from the first circle, it would be described as a jump or jumps, depending on how many circles approach in a row. "Streams" is a way to describe a bunch of circles that approach in a row; most of the times it would look like circles laying side to side overlapping each other. If this is hard to understand, you might wanna search some youtube videos on jumps and streams. Also, you'll get to know much more about this game as you play more, so play in your free time! :-DRo3B1E wrote:
that is so useful to know thank you! ill keep in mind getting the higher combo but what are jumps and streams?purplemint wrote:
This is one of the thing osu fails to explain to newcomers/beginners. People usually download this for fun or from recommendation, as I did, and they just play maps without even knowing anything about performance points (pp) and star ratings until they reach mid 6-digit. I too, just played without knowing anything about pp until one of my friends who play osu told me about it.Ro3B1E wrote:
I don't really know how it is measured because I get a B on one of the hardest levels I've ever completed and it gives me nothing, but then I get an A on some 2* level and it gives me 4 pp. so i think that the system should be explained more
So basically, pp is a reward system that is given for every ranked map you play (whether a map is ranked or not will be written in the map on the website). Higher pp is given for plays with 1. more jumps hit, 2. more streams hit, 3. better combo and 4. better accuracy. Also, the more misses you get, the less pp you will have at the end.
There are lots of other factors that will make the pp go down or up, but these are the main things.
So for example, if you hit a series of jumps without losing combo, depending on how hard it is to hit the jumps in a row, more pp will be rewarded. This also goes for streams; if you hit like 10 circles in a row that is right next to each other, it might increase the pp by a little (maybe like 1-5pp). However, if by any chance you miss or break your combo, you will start losing your pp, and how fast it goes down depends on how well you play after you lose the combo.
Another thing that will depend a lot will be accuracy. If a map gives like 100pp with 100% accuracy fc (full combo), it might give only like 85 pp if the accuracy is 95% (fc).
As long as you keep your combo, every 300 you get will increase your pp by any means. This is why if you lose your combo in the middle of a play, you will start losing combo until it eventually reaches an incredibly low amount of pp. Therefore, shorter maps are better/easier for getting pp, because a shorter map means less chance of losing combo frequently.
This also answers your question on the two plays you got. Even if you passed a really hard map with a grade of 'B', if you didn't keep your combo, accuracy, and did not hit any hard jumps, it is the reason why you got almost no pp at all. Same thing for your 2* play. Since you kept your accuracy high and combo for a while, you got more pp than the other play.
This isn't a detailed description of how pp works, there are lots of other things that will make the change in pp vary. Also it might be confusing but hope this answered your "pp question". Like I said, osu has to tell beginners about pp, they shouldn't expect people who are playing this game for fun to discover ranking and competition on their own.
I asume a lot of people already asked this, so I apologize for that. ^^'
Well, I've been playing some songs where I get A or S, but when I go to my profile to chech my pp, I see that I have only gotten 1 or 2 per song, when I was supossed to get more. (I have to clarify that the song that I mean, have only been played by me, once).
For example, this song says that I'd give me 61 pp (I think), but I actually only got a small fraction of it.
Sorry for the Spanish in the image, btw.
Well, I've been playing some songs where I get A or S, but when I go to my profile to chech my pp, I see that I have only gotten 1 or 2 per song, when I was supossed to get more. (I have to clarify that the song that I mean, have only been played by me, once).
For example, this song says that I'd give me 61 pp (I think), but I actually only got a small fraction of it.
Sorry for the Spanish in the image, btw.
because of the way the pp system works, all of your plays are only worth a fraction of your top play. for example, if your top play is 100pp, than your #2 play will be worth 95 pp, your #3 will be worth 90pp, etc. this scale is not linear, so lower plays are worth significantly less than your other plays.Wolframio-74 wrote:
I asume a lot of people already asked this, so I apologize for that. ^^'
Well, I've been playing some songs where I get A or S, but when I go to my profile to chech my pp, I see that I have only gotten 1 or 2 per song, when I was supossed to get more. (I have to clarify that the song that I mean, have only been played by me, once).
For example, tthis song says that I'd give me 61 pp (I think), but I actually only got a small fraction of it.
Sorry for the Spanish in the image, btw.
[LS]PositoniX wrote:
because of the way the pp system works, all of your plays are only worth a fraction of your top play. for example, if your top play is 100pp, than your #2 play will be worth 95 pp, your #3 will be worth 90pp, etc. this scale is not linear, so lower plays are worth significantly less than your other plays.Wolframio-74 wrote:
I asume a lot of people already asked this, so I apologize for that. ^^'
Well, I've been playing some songs where I get A or S, but when I go to my profile to chech my pp, I see that I have only gotten 1 or 2 per song, when I was supossed to get more. (I have to clarify that the song that I mean, have only been played by me, once).
For example, tthis song says that I'd give me 61 pp (I think), but I actually only got a small fraction of it.
Sorry for the Spanish in the image, btw.
Ohhhhhh. I see.
Thank you a lot.^^ Now it makes sense that some SS songs aren't worth the 100% of the song.
Sounds like the interesting way to rate performance.
Just a question because I'm quite new here, my top play is 45 pp. But that play was really lucky and I cannot pull it off again. Right now I struggle to even get 10 pp which I only get about 0.02 pp because I my pp gets weighted. How am I supposed to rank up and get pp?
Oh, boy. First, I have to say that I'm not an experienced player, at all; but I can share what has worked with me so far.specxtical_ wrote:
Just a question because I'm quite new here, my top play is 45 pp. But that play was really lucky and I cannot pull it off again. Right now I struggle to even get 10 pp which I only get about 0.02 pp because I my pp gets weighted. How am I supposed to rank up and get pp?
I'd say that you start playing more maps that are inside your confort zone, and then try to expand that area where you can FC with decent acc.
Also, remember that a map being 3 stars or 4, doesn't necessarily means that map is "as hard as an average 3 or 4 star map", so be flexibe when you describe what your confort zone is.
Other thing to mention, is that you really don't need to worry about getting more pp that much. You essentially get good amounts of performance point, when you get a play that becomes pretty close to your tops, so that means that you kind of have to reach a peak in order to get a new play that is worth more pp.
What I can recomend you, is to try to remember the basics of the games. At least for me, remembering that every (ranked) map has to match with the rythm of the song, helped me a lot to read maps that I couldn't read that well before.
Try to play many maps where you feel kind of confortable but that you can't read that easily. Finding inconsistensies in your gameplay is good, because you can work on them and become a better player. If you spend most of your play time, in song that are too hard or too easy, you'll find that improving with get much slower and inefficient.
(Or at least that's what I think. ^^')
I hope you find it useful. c:
Btw, I also hope the text is understandable. I kind of struggle with English, so I apologize for any mistakes or funny text lines xD).
I think maps need to all be just as easy to get pp so there isnt easier maps that give you a bunch of pp but harder maps that dont give you as much (if you get good accuracy and good score on both)
I dont know if anyone involved in programming pp even reads this, but I got an actual suggestion that might solve a lot of issues.
My basic idea is to split pp into multiple categorys and add those together to determine one's rank.There could also be scoreboards for each category.
Those categorys would be stuff like aim, streaming ability, consistency or pattern play (These are just suggestions, there are better ideas for sure). So at the end of any map, you get pp in every category fitted to the map. For a hard jump map for example, you would get a lot of "aim pp" but not much else. This systems would be weighted in each category and then added to the overall pp.
So the Classic DT Farmer with tons of 200"aim"pp plays can still get overall pp by playing easy stream maps (Under the assumption he didnt play streams before)
This systems would not just animate players to try other playstyles and get a wider skillset, it would also prevent a strong meta to evolve and put a kind of balance into the game.
I would really appreciate if I could get feedback so I know my effort wasnt for nothing and devs are completely unaware what I wrote.
My basic idea is to split pp into multiple categorys and add those together to determine one's rank.There could also be scoreboards for each category.
Those categorys would be stuff like aim, streaming ability, consistency or pattern play (These are just suggestions, there are better ideas for sure). So at the end of any map, you get pp in every category fitted to the map. For a hard jump map for example, you would get a lot of "aim pp" but not much else. This systems would be weighted in each category and then added to the overall pp.
So the Classic DT Farmer with tons of 200"aim"pp plays can still get overall pp by playing easy stream maps (Under the assumption he didnt play streams before)
This systems would not just animate players to try other playstyles and get a wider skillset, it would also prevent a strong meta to evolve and put a kind of balance into the game.
I would really appreciate if I could get feedback so I know my effort wasnt for nothing and devs are completely unaware what I wrote.
There are already a lot of people who suggest that but never been what the dev wanted.Knorke75 wrote:
I dont know if anyone involved in programming pp even reads this, but I got an actual suggestion that might solve a lot of issues.
My basic idea is to split pp into multiple categorys and add those together to determine one's rank.There could also be scoreboards for each category.
Those categorys would be stuff like aim, streaming ability, consistency or pattern play (These are just suggestions, there are better ideas for sure). So at the end of any map, you get pp in every category fitted to the map. For a hard jump map for example, you would get a lot of "aim pp" but not much else. This systems would be weighted in each category and then added to the overall pp.
So the Classic DT Farmer with tons of 200"aim"pp plays can still get overall pp by playing easy stream maps (Under the assumption he didnt play streams before)
This systems would not just animate players to try other playstyles and get a wider skillset, it would also prevent a strong meta to evolve and put a kind of balance into the game.
I would really appreciate if I could get feedback so I know my effort wasnt for nothing and devs are completely unaware what I wrote.
But there's a website (osu!skills) that so exactly that (you just have to give the name of your account) however, it's not on bancho and is not highly accurate. (sry for bad English)
EXACTLY pls dont change it
Man, this was so long ago. 7 years! I feel like I joined in 2013 but I didn't.Tom94 wrote:
Hello everyone,
please leave your feedback for the Standard mode performance ranking here. Every suggestion is appreciated!
Changes to the system are documented in the changelog.
czu
i just made my top play and got 0 pp and 0 rank. Is this like a bug or something ?
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more like made a mod that has called low ar. Ez lowers circle size (means actually making them huge ) and lowers od thats why you can never buff ez because the od and the circle size being low makes it get low pp158 wrote:
buff ez on harder maps buff ez on harder maps buff ez on harder maps buff ez on harder maps buff ez on harder maps buff ez on harder mapsTom94 wrote:
Hello everyone,
please leave your feedback for the Standard mode performance ranking here. Every suggestion is appreciated!
Changes to the system are documented in the changelog.
Buff nomod aim pls (cross-screen jumps, high bpm nomod aim, etc.) also instead of nerfing dt maps, just nerfing DT along would be better imo cuz nerfing the maps also nerfs other mods.
the new pp balance is actually a good pp balance
idk if this is repetitive or not but please make it a little less acc based.
the pp system is great but i think 3 mod, especially ar11 fcs and stuff like that should be buffed a little
I don't like the changes that much right now, you may do a better score performance wise, and only because you have a worse acc you lose many places.
seems like a skill issue get betterSniperBuddha wrote:
I don't like the changes that much right now, you may do a better score performance wise, and only because you have a worse acc you lose many places.
Don't play a rhythm game then.Robinmjt wrote:
idk if this is repetitive or not but please make it a little less acc based.
pp reworkInsanityonOsu wrote:
Got an FC, did another play and lost 2k ranks fml