There might be a distinction that escapes my memory. I associate myself more with John's, Blitzfrog's, levesterz's, etc time. Despite that, I did come to OT much earlier than them. The Brian resigned shortly before Fourth came, where onward is the time period which I call the Fag Era. I admit there is some over lap between eras in the 4th gen that might indicate there are two gens, but it's difficult for me to see.