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My point is that I think you're trying to get people to brush off your scum behavior by claiming that you're drinking.
explain how my behavior is scum like
Darn.abraker wrote:
It's prob my 5th or 6th. It's been several months since my last one
Here I thought I could get an easy read.
Go ahead and go through my previous games if you'd likeGuyInFreezer wrote:
Darn.abraker wrote:
It's prob my 5th or 6th. It's been several months since my last one
Here I thought I could get an easy read.
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=3
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=137
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=161
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=264
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/625397
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/552912
First off, you tried to counter my scumread of Kere and defend him, while trying to put suspicion on me. When you started making no sense in your arguments, you suddenly posted:
You didn't even explain how you were scum testing until GuyInFreezer and Westo asked you. I believe that you were just trying to do damage control because you realized that your arguments made no sense and that you were looking very scummy. By saying that you think I'm a safe town read, you were trying to get me to dismiss my suspicions about you. Trying to make me feel safe with you or something. Plus, when you did tell us how you scum tested, it wasn't even a solid scum test.abraker wrote:
Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read
You brought up that you've been "drinking" to us twice now too. Seems like you're subtly trying to make excuses.
Normally you wouldn't do that until time is almost up. You don't want to lay all your cards on the table from the beginning, otherwise mafia scum will just adapt to everything.Penguin wrote:
You didn't even explain how you were scum testing until GuyInFreezer and Westo asked you.
Trust me, that's not even close to damage control. I can't even consider that as damage control. Real damage control comes when you are one vote away from lynch and you got a possible mafia who can vote you for game victory, so you need to get one of the townies off your back asap. I speak from experience: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5855775Penguin wrote:
I believe that you were just trying to do damage control because you realized that your arguments made no sense and that you were looking very scummy
Felt like that was the best way to end that. I had no more need to go out on the offensive against youPenguin wrote:
By saying that you think I'm a safe town read, you were trying to get me to dismiss my suspicions about you. Trying to make me feel safe with you or something
You can't possible do any solid test this early in the game. Everything is just to feel the waters, get info about how people react. It's the only thing you can do day 1 besides staying quiet.Penguin wrote:
Plus, when you did tell us how you scum tested, it wasn't even a solid scum test.
The second time was not an excuse, but a recap of what happened. I have no need to push an excuse that doesn't benefit me whatsoeverPenguin wrote:
You brought up that you've been "drinking" to us twice now too. Seems like you're subtly trying to make excuses.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.5
cravenfiner has been prodded
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM ESTPenguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
cravenfiner has been prodded
everyone, please subscribe to this thread so you dont forget it exists
I still feel like explaining yourself helps town more.abraker wrote:
Normally you wouldn't do that until time is almost up. You don't want to lay all your cards on the table from the beginning, otherwise mafia scum will just adapt to everything.Penguin wrote:
You didn't even explain how you were scum testing until GuyInFreezer and Westo asked you.
Using that example doesn't prove anything. Damage control is damage control. It doesn't matter that there's a more extreme form of damage control or not.abraker wrote:
Trust me, that's not even close to damage control. I can't even consider that as damage control. Real damage control comes when you are one vote away from lynch and you got a possible mafia who can vote you for game victory, so you need to get one of the townies off your back asap. I speak from experience: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5855775Penguin wrote:
I believe that you were just trying to do damage control because you realized that your arguments made no sense and that you were looking very scummy
I know that the second time wasn't specifically stated as an excuse. My point was that you're hinting at the fact that you're "drunk" and trying to subtly keep is in our minds which would make us think that your scumminess is moot because of your drinking.abraker wrote:
The second time was not an excuse, but a recap of what happened. I have no need to push an excuse that doesn't benefit me whatsoeverPenguin wrote:
You brought up that you've been "drinking" to us twice now too. Seems like you're subtly trying to make excuses.
Assuming that my scum read on you is correct, then you making excuses for your scumminess would benefit you.
abraker wrote:
At this point I want to hear more from Death, cravenfiner, and Husa
i havent said much since im new at this and not great at investigations
abraker wrote:
everyone, please subscribe to this thread so you dont forget it exists
thank you for reminding me of this feature
I'm going to flat out tell you that I won't read them.abraker wrote:
Go ahead and go through my previous games if you'd likeGuyInFreezer wrote:
Darn.abraker wrote:
It's prob my 5th or 6th. It's been several months since my last one
Here I thought I could get an easy read.
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=3
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=137
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=161
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=264
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/625397
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/552912
I don't find it helpful unless I was in the game myself.
(Also I'm too lazy to read past games)
Still do tell me what you think about all this though.cravenfiner wrote:
i havent said much since im new at this and not great at investigations
Topic Starter
Keremal has been prodded!
With it being Day 1 the only thing everyone has to go off of is mostly contradictions and suspicious wording.
From my perspective right now, abraker does seem to be the most suspicious out of everyone thus far (or at least out of those who actually engage in conversations). If nothing changes I'll probably end up voting for him. We've got a lot of time left though, so who knows if it will end up changing.
From my perspective right now, abraker does seem to be the most suspicious out of everyone thus far (or at least out of those who actually engage in conversations). If nothing changes I'll probably end up voting for him. We've got a lot of time left though, so who knows if it will end up changing.
the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest
funny how that happens
funny how that happens
what I am trying to say is that if I did not want to get lynched I would have been more quiet because that strategy always works with newbies for reasons being demonstrated right now. Veterans are more keened to vote the silent ones out because they contribute least to the game
In my experience, the ones who talk themselves into the grave are, for the most part, actually scum. I don't ever have a problem with coming off as scum unless I actually play as scum. You're just more prone to subconsciously doing scummy things when you are scum. That's just me though, so idk.abraker wrote:
the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest
funny how that happens
abraker wrote:
the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest
funny how that happens
abraker wrote:
That's how the mafia works
abraker wrote:
the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest
funny how that happens
It seems only natural considering we've got practically nothing on the silent ones and it's only the first day.
westonini you missed the point
if I didn't want to get lynched then I would have been more quiet
if I didn't want to get lynched then I would have been more quiet
No I understood. All I'm saying is that it's not surprising that this was the outcome.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.6
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM ESTPenguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Penguin wrote:
In my experience, the ones who talk themselves into the grave are, for the most part, actually scum.
It's actually case-by-case and playstyle has a high factor in it.
But I don't want to read his past games so do that for me.
wonder how stating lynching on first day was too early made me sus for mafioso, but ok. anything can be sus on first two days tbf
you get info by accusing others or mafia. The price? You are now mafia according to everyone else.Husa wrote:
need more information qwq
keremal wrote:
anything can be sus on first two days tbf
i agree with this
*you get info by accusing others of mafia
sakura wrote:
i will randomize roles for every player in the game until there's at least 50% town players and at least 1 anti town player, i will continue to randomize until at least something's balanced and/or fun
I doubt 1 mafia vs 7 townies will make things balanced. That is because there is 1/8 chance you can lynch mafia day 1 and that will be end of game. That's not really fun. 3 mafia will be hellish because in worst case scenario you can get a townie lynched and another killed at night, making it 2 vs 3 by day two. To make things interesting, there could a third-party. But yea, 2 mafia is what we should be up against.
Given that, let's look at the vote list:
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Voting: abraker, Death, keremal, Penguin
Not voting: cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
I'd say there are good odds that there is one scum in the voting group and one scum in the not voting group.
My bad make 3 vs 3 if there are 3 mafia. Was thinking of 4 townie vs 3 mafia starting, which isn't right. That combo can also work. So make that 2-3 mafia in this game.
but I highly doubt 3. Will be surprised if so
I agree with the 2 mafia theory. Maybe 2 mafia, 1 neutral makes the most sense?
sounds like a good estimate
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.7
Since it was brought up at some point, no this isnt plurality lynch, it's majority lynch, i've never been a fan of plurality
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM ESTPenguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Since it was brought up at some point, no this isnt plurality lynch, it's majority lynch, i've never been a fan of plurality
Topic Starter
Less than 72 hours remaining
I'm not even sure if anyone would recieve enough votes to be lynched by the Day 1 deadline.
it's high probability we will end up lynching town day 1
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2
I'm ok with no-lynch for now
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2
I'm ok with no-lynch for now
I agreeabraker wrote:
it's high probability we will end up lynching town day 1
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2
I'm ok with no-lynch for now
The only thing I can think of is that we could possibly have a killing third party. If so, then we would be 3/6 town on day one if the third party kills town. It could work in our favor though if the third party kills mafia.
Is there really anything we can do after the end of the first night phase other than rely on someone who has the ability to investigate others? Regardless of who and how many people die, the murderers could really be anyone. There's no hard evidence. If we have no one with the ability to investigate, the only thing we could continue doing is having conversations and pointing fingers. And that doesn't seem like a very reliable method for finding the baddies, especially since only a few of us talk. Sure if one person dies you could immediately become suspicious of someone else, but ultimately their death could have been caused by anyone.
Well it's not so simple. Even if someone can investigate, only they will know the person's role. Also how sure are you are you there is a third party on this game?
abraker wrote:
Well it's not so simple. Even if someone can investigate, only they will know the person's role.
Right. But even then in most cases it's not like they're able to share who-is-who unless they want to die during the next night phase. I'm thinking they'd just attempt to help nudge the suspicions away from anyone they know is innocent.
abraker wrote:
Also how sure are you are you there is a third party on this game?
I'm not. It just seems likely. I'm almost certain there are at least two mafia members though.
We could all just no vote if we want to skip ahead.
vote: No Vote
Up to you guys. If you think abrakers plan is good or not.
vote: No Vote
Up to you guys. If you think abrakers plan is good or not.
vote: no-lynch
this no-lynch guy is definitely mafia, yes
this no-lynch guy is definitely mafia, yes
hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
This is interesting because if Death is mafia, he can just "forget" and it would be a valid excuse for him not to be lynched for lynching keremal
cravenfiner wrote:
hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
Isn't Death the one getting voted on by keremal? Death voted to lynch Penguin. Either way we'd need a majority vote for a lynch anyways.
yes, this is true. At the moment, there will not be a lynchWestonini wrote:
Isn't Death the one getting voted on by keremal? Death voted to lynch Penguin. Either way we'd need a majority vote for a lynch anyways.cravenfiner wrote:
hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.8
Less than 48 hours remaining
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
[L-2] No Lynch (3) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM ESTDeath (1) - keremal
[L-2] No Lynch (3) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Less than 48 hours remaining
Vote: No Lynch
"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
That's not how the voting system works. We need a majority (5) to lynch atm. If there's not a majority by the end of the day, no lynch will occur.Death wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
The way you're thinking is played in some rulesets, but not this one
Topic Starter
"Votes in play" refers to when the ammount of votes is different than the ammount of players (Voteless, double voters, etc), however this shouldn't be the case for great idea mafia, it should just straight up be the ammount of players, i missed it after reusing my ruleset and will change it to players, sorry if this caused confusion
Topic Starter
keremal, Husa and GuyInFreezer have been prodded
ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
that way the cop can tell town what's up
Oh yeah this game
I'll read up by evening.
I'll read up by evening.
Topic Starter
Less than 24 hours remaining
the only issue is telling which players are townies and how to get the information to them, since we can't exactly say "hey townies, the code word we're using is 'fubbernugget'." it'd either have to be a system of trusting and half-assed luck, since we can't expose our roles either since then the mafioso would be able to kill everyone.abraker wrote:
ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
hey, that's better than nothing
Well, if someone has information that without a doubt shows them who mafia is, then it's better to come forth with it imo. I haven't played forum mafia at all, but in IRC mafia, a quiet town is a dead town.keremal wrote:
the only issue is telling which players are townies and how to get the information to them, since we can't exactly say "hey townies, the code word we're using is 'fubbernugget'." it'd either have to be a system of trusting and half-assed luck, since we can't expose our roles either since then the mafioso would be able to kill everyone.abraker wrote:
ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
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Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.9
Death (1) - keremal
[L-1] No Lynch (4) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker, Death
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST[L-1] No Lynch (4) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker, Death
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Sorry somebody cracked the previous code and is now being black market. I have analyzed townie psychology and can now guarantee only town should be able to crack this one
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Topic Starter
A bit late but
Husa has failed to pick up their prod and will be replaced
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
Husa has failed to pick up their prod and will be replaced
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
oh no here we go :[
And if Husa never responds during the night phase? This kinda confirms that either Husa is not mafia or Husa is one of the two mafia, because that would be an uneventful night otherwise.Sakura wrote:
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
Topic Starter
In such a case would've frozen the night phase deadline and if i didnt get a replacement soon modkilled the slot.abraker wrote:
And if Husa never responds during the night phase?Sakura wrote:
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
abraker wrote:
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heck
Topic Starter
Deadline has ended.
Day 1 has ended without a lynch.
It is now Night 1, it will last 24 hours as of this post, any players with night active abilities can PM me your targets, if no target is submitted by deadline it will count as "No Action"
You're free to change or cancel your action as often as you want before the deadline, but any changes after deadline will not be accepted.
Day 1 has ended without a lynch.
It is now Night 1, it will last 24 hours as of this post, any players with night active abilities can PM me your targets, if no target is submitted by deadline it will count as "No Action"
You're free to change or cancel your action as often as you want before the deadline, but any changes after deadline will not be accepted.
Topic Starter
Sorry for being a lil late, day will open soon
Topic Starter
That was a very dark night...
GuyInFreezer Alien 1-Shot Psychomagnet has died Night 1
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
It is now Day 2
Deadline: Feb 16th 2019, 6:40 PM EST
Vote Count 2.0
GuyInFreezer Alien 1-Shot Psychomagnet has died Night 1
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
It is now Day 2
Deadline: Feb 16th 2019, 6:40 PM EST
Vote Count 2.0
Not Voting (6) - Penguin, Husa, cravenfiner, Westonini, Keremal, Death
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Sakura wrote:
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
Should have voted for Penguin.
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"That's how the mafia works"
.
I'm trying to google those roles.
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
"Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet (all night actions are redirected to the target)"
I'm assuming these are correct.
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
"Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet (all night actions are redirected to the target)"
I'm assuming these are correct.
I'm not exactly sure how the alien role works, but I'm assuming that mafia killed GIF and then he killed abraker?
It's pretty obvious that scum knew that I'd be suspicious if they were to kill abraker then blame me. I'm not dumb enough to actually kill abraker if I was scum.Death wrote:
Should have voted for Penguin.Sakura wrote:
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
yeah, there's not really a good source of the role descriptions I can find, but I think that's correct? I don't know if that means that there is two aliens thoughWestonini wrote:
I'm trying to google those roles.
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
"Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet (all night actions are redirected to the target)"
I'm assuming these are correct.
So if one lover dies, the other also dies.
So since abraker was a town lover and he died, that means GuyInFreezer was his lover? In that case "Town Lover" means that the person was a Townie but could still love someone of a different role.
So the mafia killed either abraker or GIF, causing the other to die as well?
So since abraker was a town lover and he died, that means GuyInFreezer was his lover? In that case "Town Lover" means that the person was a Townie but could still love someone of a different role.
So the mafia killed either abraker or GIF, causing the other to die as well?
nvm, I found it
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs#Alien
So aliens can kill one person per game, which means that GIF killed abraker and mafia killed GIF if I'm not mistaken.
Unless there's another neutral killing. Then it just gets really confusing.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs#Alien
So aliens can kill one person per game, which means that GIF killed abraker and mafia killed GIF if I'm not mistaken.
Unless there's another neutral killing. Then it just gets really confusing.
no, GIF's role would have said he was a lover, plus I don't think lovers can be cross parties.Westonini wrote:
So if one lover dies, the other also dies.
So since abraker was a town lover and he died, that means GuyInFreezer was his lover? In that case "Town Lover" means that the person was a Townie but could still love someone of a different role.
So the mafia killed either abraker or GIF, causing the other to die as well?
but abraker died, meaning his lover also needs to die right? and the only other person who died was GIF.
Just because there's a lover in the game, doesn't mean that there is a second one
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
I think I'm wrong about the cross party lovers, but still, GIF's role would have said that he was a lover.
"If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time."
Keyword is "IF"
Keyword is "IF"
Hmm, ok. So it was a one-way thing meaning abraker was the only lover?
maybe lover role doesnt have to have another to exist, its just a random chance for someone else to get it
Westonini wrote:
Hmm, ok. So it was a one-way thing meaning abraker was the only lover?
yes and yescravenfiner wrote:
maybe lover role doesnt have to have another to exist, its just a random chance for someone else to get it
Penguin wrote:
I think I'm wrong about the cross party lovers, but still, GIF's role would have said that he was a lover.
Yeah, "However, sometimes, one lover is otherwise a vanilla townie, while the other is a mafia goon."
And I do agree that GIF's role most likely would have said lover. But it would seem odd for there to be only one lover in a game. Maybe that's just because of my lack of experience though.
If you look at the list, there are only 7 Lover roles, so having two of them is highly unlikely when there are 146 roles.Westonini wrote:
Yeah, "However, sometimes, one lover is otherwise a vanilla townie, while the other is a mafia goon."Penguin wrote:
I think I'm wrong about the cross party lovers, but still, GIF's role would have said that he was a lover.
And I do agree that GIF's role most likely would have said lover. But it would seem odd for there to be only one lover in a game. Maybe that's just because of my lack of experience though.
It's just that most sources I'm seeing seem to mention it being a two-way thing, with them being a connected pair.
But I guess the only way it would make sense here is if there was only one lover.
I don't know how else to explain it. It's only a two-way thing if there are two lovers.Penguin wrote:
"If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time."
Keyword is "IF"
Yeah, I guess we'll just go with that since it makes the most sense here.
So GIF's Psychomagnet ability allows him to direct all actions at a single person. But seeing as he died, he probably didn't use the ability and just regularly killed abraker, then the mafia killed GIF.
So GIF's Psychomagnet ability allows him to direct all actions at a single person. But seeing as he died, he probably didn't use the ability and just regularly killed abraker, then the mafia killed GIF.
makes sense