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Penguin

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read

You're possibly saying this because you realize your faults and now your trying to backtrack and do damage control.

But you really weren't making much sense. You're usually very well put together and logical on the forums, so maybe it was a test. You might be town, but I'm still very suspisious of you.
Westonini

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read


Why do you think so? Is it because he stayed calm and collective while under fire? I'm not asking this to accuse Penguin or anything, but I believe most would react the way he did. Townie or not.
GuyInFreezer

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read

Now you gotta share with us what was the reaction you were looking for and how penguin met the expectation.
Rxn testing 101.
GuyInFreezer

Westonini wrote:

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read
Why do you think so? Is it because he stayed calm and collective while under fire? I'm not asking this to accuse Penguin or anything, but I believe most would react the way he did. Townie or not.
Apparently I missed this post and I posted the literally same thing. rippo
abraker
Main reason is because Penguin did not vote me after all that and remained on Husa. Give mafia a reason to vote someone and they will take it, and that will be their excuse when the lynched does turn town.
abraker
Oh wait he did. I'll reply again when I have the beer out of my system :\
Westonini
Wait, but he did vote for you.

Penguin wrote:

Vote: abraker
Westonini
understandable have a nice day.
Penguin

abraker wrote:

Main reason is because Penguin did not vote me after all that and remained on Husa. Give mafia a reason to vote someone and they will take it, and that will be their excuse when the lynched does turn town.

I was expecting an actual reason for your "scum bait". A simple vote isn't sufficient enough to determine a scum read. Now just seems like you're trying to make an excuse to cover up for your scum-like behavior before.
Penguin
I don't buy the whole "beer" thing at all too lmao. Sounds like you're stretching for excuses.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.4
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
GuyInFreezer (1) - Husa
abraker (1) - Penguin

Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
abraker

Penguin wrote:

I don't buy the whole "beer" thing at all too lmao. Sounds like you're stretching for excuses.
I tried to correct myself right after it. It's not like I didn't see it until now. Definitely was not thinking straight.

Penguin wrote:

I was expecting an actual reason for your "scum bait". A simple vote isn't sufficient enough to determine a scum read. Now just seems like you're trying to make an excuse to cover up for your scum-like behavior before.
you are right

Westonini wrote:

Wait, but he did vote for you.

abraker wrote:

Oh wait he did. I'll reply again when I have the beer out of my system :\


At this point I want to hear more from Death, cravenfiner, and Husa
Penguin

abraker wrote:

At this point I want to hear more from Death, cravenfiner, and Husa
I agree with this.

If my scum read is correct on abraker, then Kere is probably a safe scum read as well; with my initial suspicion on him, including abraker seemingly trying to defend him.
Westonini

abraker wrote:

Westonini wrote:

Wait, but he did vote for you.

abraker wrote:

Oh wait he did. I'll reply again when I have the beer out of my system :\


Yeah, I sent that message almost immediately after yours. It wasn't there while I typed mine.
Westonini
not sure who I should vote on. there's not too much to go off of. the fact that half of us are pretty silent doesn't make it any easier. guess i'll just wait n' see.
Husa
Unvote
Death

abraker wrote:

At this point I want to hear more from Death, cravenfiner, and Husa
Hi
abraker
Oh hi Death, what's a mafia scum like you up to these days?
Westonini


Basically this game.
Penguin
It'd be cool if people discussed what has happened in this game so far.
Westonini
By the way, if someone doesn't reach 5 votes to be lynched by Feb 8th, does no one get lynched or does the person with the most votes get lynched?
abraker
That's how the mafia works
abraker

Westonini wrote:

By the way, if someone doesn't reach 5 votes to be lynched by Feb 8th, does no one get lynched or does the person with the most votes get lynched?
If it's a tie, first voted person in tie gets lynched
otherwise the one with most votes
Westonini

abraker wrote:

That's how the mafia works

I made an effort to not actually type that.
abraker
It's ok, you can show your true colors
nobody is going to lynch you for it


hehe
Westonini
hmmmm
abraker

Penguin wrote:

It'd be cool if people discussed what has happened in this game so far.
So far it's just me accusing of everyone being mafia, getting drunk, and having a logical short circuit.
Penguin

abraker wrote:

Westonini wrote:

By the way, if someone doesn't reach 5 votes to be lynched by Feb 8th, does no one get lynched or does the person with the most votes get lynched?
If it's a tie, first voted person in tie gets lynched
otherwise the one with most votes

Sakura wrote:

if the day reaches deadline before a majority is reached, the day will end with a No Lynch."
I'm pretty sure you're incorrect. Unless I am misinterpreting something, idk
Westonini
Its been like three days and I already forgot that was in the rules.
GuyInFreezer
abraker is this your first game ever
abraker

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

Westonini wrote:

By the way, if someone doesn't reach 5 votes to be lynched by Feb 8th, does no one get lynched or does the person with the most votes get lynched?
If it's a tie, first voted person in tie gets lynched
otherwise the one with most votes

Sakura wrote:

if the day reaches deadline before a majority is reached, the day will end with a No Lynch."
I'm pretty sure you're incorrect. Unless I am misinterpreting something, idk
Some games have have different rules. Maybe last one I played had it different

GuyInFreezer wrote:

abraker is this your first game ever
It's prob my 5th or 6th. It's been several months since my last one
Penguin

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

It'd be cool if people discussed what has happened in this game so far.
So far it's just me accusing of everyone being mafia, getting drunk, and having a logical short circuit.
again, I don't believe the "drunk" excuse
abraker
What do I have to gain by making a mistake and then correcting myself in a follow up post a few seconds later?
Penguin
My point is that I think you're trying to get people to brush off your scum behavior by claiming that you're drinking.
abraker
explain how my behavior is scum like
GuyInFreezer

abraker wrote:

It's prob my 5th or 6th. It's been several months since my last one
Darn.
Here I thought I could get an easy read.
abraker

GuyInFreezer wrote:

abraker wrote:

It's prob my 5th or 6th. It's been several months since my last one
Darn.
Here I thought I could get an easy read.
Go ahead and go through my previous games if you'd like

https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=3
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=137
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=161
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=264
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/625397
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/552912
Penguin
First off, you tried to counter my scumread of Kere and defend him, while trying to put suspicion on me. When you started making no sense in your arguments, you suddenly posted:

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read
You didn't even explain how you were scum testing until GuyInFreezer and Westo asked you. I believe that you were just trying to do damage control because you realized that your arguments made no sense and that you were looking very scummy. By saying that you think I'm a safe town read, you were trying to get me to dismiss my suspicions about you. Trying to make me feel safe with you or something. Plus, when you did tell us how you scum tested, it wasn't even a solid scum test.
Penguin
You brought up that you've been "drinking" to us twice now too. Seems like you're subtly trying to make excuses.
abraker

Penguin wrote:

You didn't even explain how you were scum testing until GuyInFreezer and Westo asked you.
Normally you wouldn't do that until time is almost up. You don't want to lay all your cards on the table from the beginning, otherwise mafia scum will just adapt to everything.

Penguin wrote:

I believe that you were just trying to do damage control because you realized that your arguments made no sense and that you were looking very scummy
Trust me, that's not even close to damage control. I can't even consider that as damage control. Real damage control comes when you are one vote away from lynch and you got a possible mafia who can vote you for game victory, so you need to get one of the townies off your back asap. I speak from experience: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5855775

Penguin wrote:

By saying that you think I'm a safe town read, you were trying to get me to dismiss my suspicions about you. Trying to make me feel safe with you or something
Felt like that was the best way to end that. I had no more need to go out on the offensive against you

Penguin wrote:

Plus, when you did tell us how you scum tested, it wasn't even a solid scum test.
You can't possible do any solid test this early in the game. Everything is just to feel the waters, get info about how people react. It's the only thing you can do day 1 besides staying quiet.

Penguin wrote:

You brought up that you've been "drinking" to us twice now too. Seems like you're subtly trying to make excuses.
The second time was not an excuse, but a recap of what happened. I have no need to push an excuse that doesn't benefit me whatsoever
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.5
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin

Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST

cravenfiner has been prodded
abraker
everyone, please subscribe to this thread so you dont forget it exists
Penguin

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

You didn't even explain how you were scum testing until GuyInFreezer and Westo asked you.
Normally you wouldn't do that until time is almost up. You don't want to lay all your cards on the table from the beginning, otherwise mafia scum will just adapt to everything.
I still feel like explaining yourself helps town more.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

I believe that you were just trying to do damage control because you realized that your arguments made no sense and that you were looking very scummy
Trust me, that's not even close to damage control. I can't even consider that as damage control. Real damage control comes when you are one vote away from lynch and you got a possible mafia who can vote you for game victory, so you need to get one of the townies off your back asap. I speak from experience: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5855775
Using that example doesn't prove anything. Damage control is damage control. It doesn't matter that there's a more extreme form of damage control or not.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

You brought up that you've been "drinking" to us twice now too. Seems like you're subtly trying to make excuses.
The second time was not an excuse, but a recap of what happened. I have no need to push an excuse that doesn't benefit me whatsoever
I know that the second time wasn't specifically stated as an excuse. My point was that you're hinting at the fact that you're "drunk" and trying to subtly keep is in our minds which would make us think that your scumminess is moot because of your drinking.

Assuming that my scum read on you is correct, then you making excuses for your scumminess would benefit you.
cravenfiner

abraker wrote:

At this point I want to hear more from Death, cravenfiner, and Husa

i havent said much since im new at this and not great at investigations


abraker wrote:

everyone, please subscribe to this thread so you dont forget it exists

thank you for reminding me of this feature
GuyInFreezer

abraker wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

abraker wrote:

It's prob my 5th or 6th. It's been several months since my last one
Darn.
Here I thought I could get an easy read.
Go ahead and go through my previous games if you'd like

https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=3
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=137
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=161
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=264
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/625397
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/552912
I'm going to flat out tell you that I won't read them.
I don't find it helpful unless I was in the game myself.

(Also I'm too lazy to read past games)
GuyInFreezer

cravenfiner wrote:

i havent said much since im new at this and not great at investigations
Still do tell me what you think about all this though.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Keremal has been prodded!
Westonini
With it being Day 1 the only thing everyone has to go off of is mostly contradictions and suspicious wording.

From my perspective right now, abraker does seem to be the most suspicious out of everyone thus far (or at least out of those who actually engage in conversations). If nothing changes I'll probably end up voting for him. We've got a lot of time left though, so who knows if it will end up changing.
abraker
the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest

funny how that happens
abraker
what I am trying to say is that if I did not want to get lynched I would have been more quiet because that strategy always works with newbies for reasons being demonstrated right now. Veterans are more keened to vote the silent ones out because they contribute least to the game
Penguin

abraker wrote:

the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest

funny how that happens
In my experience, the ones who talk themselves into the grave are, for the most part, actually scum. I don't ever have a problem with coming off as scum unless I actually play as scum. You're just more prone to subconsciously doing scummy things when you are scum. That's just me though, so idk.
Death

abraker wrote:

the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest

funny how that happens



abraker wrote:

That's how the mafia works
Westonini

abraker wrote:

the ones who talk the most always seem to talk themselves to the grave the fastest

funny how that happens


It seems only natural considering we've got practically nothing on the silent ones and it's only the first day.
abraker
westonini you missed the point

if I didn't want to get lynched then I would have been more quiet
Westonini
No I understood. All I'm saying is that it's not surprising that this was the outcome.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.6
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin

Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
GuyInFreezer

Penguin wrote:

In my experience, the ones who talk themselves into the grave are, for the most part, actually scum.

It's actually case-by-case and playstyle has a high factor in it.
But I don't want to read his past games so do that for me.
Husa
need more information qwq
keremaru
wonder how stating lynching on first day was too early made me sus for mafioso, but ok. anything can be sus on first two days tbf
abraker

Husa wrote:

need more information qwq
you get info by accusing others or mafia. The price? You are now mafia according to everyone else.
cravenfiner

keremal wrote:

anything can be sus on first two days tbf

i agree with this
abraker
*you get info by accusing others of mafia
Penguin
so what's the plan?
abraker

sakura wrote:

i will randomize roles for every player in the game until there's at least 50% town players and at least 1 anti town player, i will continue to randomize until at least something's balanced and/or fun

I doubt 1 mafia vs 7 townies will make things balanced. That is because there is 1/8 chance you can lynch mafia day 1 and that will be end of game. That's not really fun. 3 mafia will be hellish because in worst case scenario you can get a townie lynched and another killed at night, making it 2 vs 3 by day two. To make things interesting, there could a third-party. But yea, 2 mafia is what we should be up against.

Given that, let's look at the vote list:

  • Voting: abraker, Death, keremal, Penguin
    Not voting: cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa


I'd say there are good odds that there is one scum in the voting group and one scum in the not voting group.
abraker
My bad make 3 vs 3 if there are 3 mafia. Was thinking of 4 townie vs 3 mafia starting, which isn't right. That combo can also work. So make that 2-3 mafia in this game.
abraker
but I highly doubt 3. Will be surprised if so
Penguin
I agree with the 2 mafia theory. Maybe 2 mafia, 1 neutral makes the most sense?
Westonini
That's what I was thinking.
cravenfiner
sounds like a good estimate
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.7
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin

Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
Since it was brought up at some point, no this isnt plurality lynch, it's majority lynch, i've never been a fan of plurality
Topic Starter
Sakura
Less than 72 hours remaining
Westonini
I'm not even sure if anyone would recieve enough votes to be lynched by the Day 1 deadline.
abraker
it's high probability we will end up lynching town day 1
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2

I'm ok with no-lynch for now
Penguin

abraker wrote:

it's high probability we will end up lynching town day 1
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2

I'm ok with no-lynch for now
I agree
Penguin
The only thing I can think of is that we could possibly have a killing third party. If so, then we would be 3/6 town on day one if the third party kills town. It could work in our favor though if the third party kills mafia.
Westonini
Is there really anything we can do after the end of the first night phase other than rely on someone who has the ability to investigate others? Regardless of who and how many people die, the murderers could really be anyone. There's no hard evidence. If we have no one with the ability to investigate, the only thing we could continue doing is having conversations and pointing fingers. And that doesn't seem like a very reliable method for finding the baddies, especially since only a few of us talk. Sure if one person dies you could immediately become suspicious of someone else, but ultimately their death could have been caused by anyone.
abraker
Well it's not so simple. Even if someone can investigate, only they will know the person's role. Also how sure are you are you there is a third party on this game?
Westonini

abraker wrote:

Well it's not so simple. Even if someone can investigate, only they will know the person's role.

Right. But even then in most cases it's not like they're able to share who-is-who unless they want to die during the next night phase. I'm thinking they'd just attempt to help nudge the suspicions away from anyone they know is innocent.

abraker wrote:

Also how sure are you are you there is a third party on this game?

I'm not. It just seems likely. I'm almost certain there are at least two mafia members though.
Penguin
We could all just no vote if we want to skip ahead.

vote: No Vote

Up to you guys. If you think abrakers plan is good or not.
Westonini
That's fine.

Vote: No Lynch
abraker
vote: no-lynch

this no-lynch guy is definitely mafia, yes
cravenfiner
hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
abraker
This is interesting because if Death is mafia, he can just "forget" and it would be a valid excuse for him not to be lynched for lynching keremal
Westonini

cravenfiner wrote:

hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched


Isn't Death the one getting voted on by keremal? Death voted to lynch Penguin. Either way we'd need a majority vote for a lynch anyways.
Penguin

Westonini wrote:

cravenfiner wrote:

hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
Isn't Death the one getting voted on by keremal? Death voted to lynch Penguin. Either way we'd need a majority vote for a lynch anyways.
yes, this is true. At the moment, there will not be a lynch
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.8
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal

[L-2] No Lynch (3) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker

Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
Less than 48 hours remaining
Death
Vote: No Lynch

"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
Penguin

Death wrote:

Vote: No Lynch

"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
That's not how the voting system works. We need a majority (5) to lynch atm. If there's not a majority by the end of the day, no lynch will occur.
Penguin
The way you're thinking is played in some rulesets, but not this one
Topic Starter
Sakura
"Votes in play" refers to when the ammount of votes is different than the ammount of players (Voteless, double voters, etc), however this shouldn't be the case for great idea mafia, it should just straight up be the ammount of players, i missed it after reusing my ruleset and will change it to players, sorry if this caused confusion
Topic Starter
Sakura
keremal, Husa and GuyInFreezer have been prodded
abraker
ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
GuyInFreezer
Oh yeah this game
I'll read up by evening.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Less than 24 hours remaining
keremaru

abraker wrote:

ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
the only issue is telling which players are townies and how to get the information to them, since we can't exactly say "hey townies, the code word we're using is 'fubbernugget'." it'd either have to be a system of trusting and half-assed luck, since we can't expose our roles either since then the mafioso would be able to kill everyone.
abraker
hey, that's better than nothing
Penguin

keremal wrote:

abraker wrote:

ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
the only issue is telling which players are townies and how to get the information to them, since we can't exactly say "hey townies, the code word we're using is 'fubbernugget'." it'd either have to be a system of trusting and half-assed luck, since we can't expose our roles either since then the mafioso would be able to kill everyone.
Well, if someone has information that without a doubt shows them who mafia is, then it's better to come forth with it imo. I haven't played forum mafia at all, but in IRC mafia, a quiet town is a dead town.
abraker
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Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.9
Death (1) - keremal

[L-1] No Lynch (4) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker, Death

Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
abraker
Sorry somebody cracked the previous code and is now being black market. I have analyzed townie psychology and can now guarantee only town should be able to crack this one

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