No I understood. All I'm saying is that it's not surprising that this was the outcome.
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Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.6
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM ESTPenguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Penguin wrote:
In my experience, the ones who talk themselves into the grave are, for the most part, actually scum.
It's actually case-by-case and playstyle has a high factor in it.
But I don't want to read his past games so do that for me.
wonder how stating lynching on first day was too early made me sus for mafioso, but ok. anything can be sus on first two days tbf
you get info by accusing others or mafia. The price? You are now mafia according to everyone else.Husa wrote:
need more information qwq
keremal wrote:
anything can be sus on first two days tbf
i agree with this
*you get info by accusing others of mafia
sakura wrote:
i will randomize roles for every player in the game until there's at least 50% town players and at least 1 anti town player, i will continue to randomize until at least something's balanced and/or fun
I doubt 1 mafia vs 7 townies will make things balanced. That is because there is 1/8 chance you can lynch mafia day 1 and that will be end of game. That's not really fun. 3 mafia will be hellish because in worst case scenario you can get a townie lynched and another killed at night, making it 2 vs 3 by day two. To make things interesting, there could a third-party. But yea, 2 mafia is what we should be up against.
Given that, let's look at the vote list:
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Voting: abraker, Death, keremal, Penguin
Not voting: cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
I'd say there are good odds that there is one scum in the voting group and one scum in the not voting group.
My bad make 3 vs 3 if there are 3 mafia. Was thinking of 4 townie vs 3 mafia starting, which isn't right. That combo can also work. So make that 2-3 mafia in this game.
but I highly doubt 3. Will be surprised if so
I agree with the 2 mafia theory. Maybe 2 mafia, 1 neutral makes the most sense?
sounds like a good estimate
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.7
Since it was brought up at some point, no this isnt plurality lynch, it's majority lynch, i've never been a fan of plurality
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM ESTPenguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
abraker (1) - Penguin
Not Voting (4) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Since it was brought up at some point, no this isnt plurality lynch, it's majority lynch, i've never been a fan of plurality
Topic Starter
Less than 72 hours remaining
I'm not even sure if anyone would recieve enough votes to be lynched by the Day 1 deadline.
it's high probability we will end up lynching town day 1
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2
I'm ok with no-lynch for now
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2
I'm ok with no-lynch for now
I agreeabraker wrote:
it's high probability we will end up lynching town day 1
If it's a townie power role that ends up lynched, that is a whole lot of bad
If we don't, day 2 it will be 5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 2
I'm ok with no-lynch for now
The only thing I can think of is that we could possibly have a killing third party. If so, then we would be 3/6 town on day one if the third party kills town. It could work in our favor though if the third party kills mafia.
Is there really anything we can do after the end of the first night phase other than rely on someone who has the ability to investigate others? Regardless of who and how many people die, the murderers could really be anyone. There's no hard evidence. If we have no one with the ability to investigate, the only thing we could continue doing is having conversations and pointing fingers. And that doesn't seem like a very reliable method for finding the baddies, especially since only a few of us talk. Sure if one person dies you could immediately become suspicious of someone else, but ultimately their death could have been caused by anyone.
Well it's not so simple. Even if someone can investigate, only they will know the person's role. Also how sure are you are you there is a third party on this game?
abraker wrote:
Well it's not so simple. Even if someone can investigate, only they will know the person's role.
Right. But even then in most cases it's not like they're able to share who-is-who unless they want to die during the next night phase. I'm thinking they'd just attempt to help nudge the suspicions away from anyone they know is innocent.
abraker wrote:
Also how sure are you are you there is a third party on this game?
I'm not. It just seems likely. I'm almost certain there are at least two mafia members though.
We could all just no vote if we want to skip ahead.
vote: No Vote
Up to you guys. If you think abrakers plan is good or not.
vote: No Vote
Up to you guys. If you think abrakers plan is good or not.
vote: no-lynch
this no-lynch guy is definitely mafia, yes
this no-lynch guy is definitely mafia, yes
hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
This is interesting because if Death is mafia, he can just "forget" and it would be a valid excuse for him not to be lynched for lynching keremal
cravenfiner wrote:
hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
Isn't Death the one getting voted on by keremal? Death voted to lynch Penguin. Either way we'd need a majority vote for a lynch anyways.
yes, this is true. At the moment, there will not be a lynchWestonini wrote:
Isn't Death the one getting voted on by keremal? Death voted to lynch Penguin. Either way we'd need a majority vote for a lynch anyways.cravenfiner wrote:
hope death notices so keremal doesnt get lynched
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.8
Less than 48 hours remaining
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
[L-2] No Lynch (3) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM ESTDeath (1) - keremal
[L-2] No Lynch (3) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Less than 48 hours remaining
Vote: No Lynch
"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
That's not how the voting system works. We need a majority (5) to lynch atm. If there's not a majority by the end of the day, no lynch will occur.Death wrote:
Vote: No Lynch
"Votes in play" includes no lynch votes, right? Otherwise, I'm dead lol
The way you're thinking is played in some rulesets, but not this one
Topic Starter
"Votes in play" refers to when the ammount of votes is different than the ammount of players (Voteless, double voters, etc), however this shouldn't be the case for great idea mafia, it should just straight up be the ammount of players, i missed it after reusing my ruleset and will change it to players, sorry if this caused confusion
Topic Starter
keremal, Husa and GuyInFreezer have been prodded
ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
that way the cop can tell town what's up
Oh yeah this game
I'll read up by evening.
I'll read up by evening.
Topic Starter
Less than 24 hours remaining
the only issue is telling which players are townies and how to get the information to them, since we can't exactly say "hey townies, the code word we're using is 'fubbernugget'." it'd either have to be a system of trusting and half-assed luck, since we can't expose our roles either since then the mafioso would be able to kill everyone.abraker wrote:
ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
hey, that's better than nothing
Well, if someone has information that without a doubt shows them who mafia is, then it's better to come forth with it imo. I haven't played forum mafia at all, but in IRC mafia, a quiet town is a dead town.keremal wrote:
the only issue is telling which players are townies and how to get the information to them, since we can't exactly say "hey townies, the code word we're using is 'fubbernugget'." it'd either have to be a system of trusting and half-assed luck, since we can't expose our roles either since then the mafioso would be able to kill everyone.abraker wrote:
ok I think now is the best time as any to make up a secret code that only town people will understand
that way the cop can tell town what's up
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Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.9
Death (1) - keremal
[L-1] No Lynch (4) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker, Death
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST[L-1] No Lynch (4) - Penguin, Westonini, abraker, Death
Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, GuyInFreezer, Husa
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Sorry somebody cracked the previous code and is now being black market. I have analyzed townie psychology and can now guarantee only town should be able to crack this one
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Topic Starter
A bit late but
Husa has failed to pick up their prod and will be replaced
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
Husa has failed to pick up their prod and will be replaced
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
oh no here we go :[
And if Husa never responds during the night phase? This kinda confirms that either Husa is not mafia or Husa is one of the two mafia, because that would be an uneventful night otherwise.Sakura wrote:
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
Topic Starter
In such a case would've frozen the night phase deadline and if i didnt get a replacement soon modkilled the slot.abraker wrote:
And if Husa never responds during the night phase?Sakura wrote:
They still have time to post in game or msg me during the Night phase before a replacement is found.
abraker wrote:
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heck
Topic Starter
Deadline has ended.
Day 1 has ended without a lynch.
It is now Night 1, it will last 24 hours as of this post, any players with night active abilities can PM me your targets, if no target is submitted by deadline it will count as "No Action"
You're free to change or cancel your action as often as you want before the deadline, but any changes after deadline will not be accepted.
Day 1 has ended without a lynch.
It is now Night 1, it will last 24 hours as of this post, any players with night active abilities can PM me your targets, if no target is submitted by deadline it will count as "No Action"
You're free to change or cancel your action as often as you want before the deadline, but any changes after deadline will not be accepted.
Topic Starter
Sorry for being a lil late, day will open soon
Topic Starter
That was a very dark night...
GuyInFreezer Alien 1-Shot Psychomagnet has died Night 1
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
It is now Day 2
Deadline: Feb 16th 2019, 6:40 PM EST
Vote Count 2.0
GuyInFreezer Alien 1-Shot Psychomagnet has died Night 1
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
It is now Day 2
Deadline: Feb 16th 2019, 6:40 PM EST
Vote Count 2.0
Not Voting (6) - Penguin, Husa, cravenfiner, Westonini, Keremal, Death
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Sakura wrote:
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
Should have voted for Penguin.
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"That's how the mafia works"
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I'm trying to google those roles.
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
"Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet (all night actions are redirected to the target)"
I'm assuming these are correct.
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
"Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet (all night actions are redirected to the target)"
I'm assuming these are correct.
I'm not exactly sure how the alien role works, but I'm assuming that mafia killed GIF and then he killed abraker?
It's pretty obvious that scum knew that I'd be suspicious if they were to kill abraker then blame me. I'm not dumb enough to actually kill abraker if I was scum.Death wrote:
Should have voted for Penguin.Sakura wrote:
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
yeah, there's not really a good source of the role descriptions I can find, but I think that's correct? I don't know if that means that there is two aliens thoughWestonini wrote:
I'm trying to google those roles.
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
"Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet (all night actions are redirected to the target)"
I'm assuming these are correct.
So if one lover dies, the other also dies.
So since abraker was a town lover and he died, that means GuyInFreezer was his lover? In that case "Town Lover" means that the person was a Townie but could still love someone of a different role.
So the mafia killed either abraker or GIF, causing the other to die as well?
So since abraker was a town lover and he died, that means GuyInFreezer was his lover? In that case "Town Lover" means that the person was a Townie but could still love someone of a different role.
So the mafia killed either abraker or GIF, causing the other to die as well?
nvm, I found it
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs#Alien
So aliens can kill one person per game, which means that GIF killed abraker and mafia killed GIF if I'm not mistaken.
Unless there's another neutral killing. Then it just gets really confusing.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs#Alien
So aliens can kill one person per game, which means that GIF killed abraker and mafia killed GIF if I'm not mistaken.
Unless there's another neutral killing. Then it just gets really confusing.
no, GIF's role would have said he was a lover, plus I don't think lovers can be cross parties.Westonini wrote:
So if one lover dies, the other also dies.
So since abraker was a town lover and he died, that means GuyInFreezer was his lover? In that case "Town Lover" means that the person was a Townie but could still love someone of a different role.
So the mafia killed either abraker or GIF, causing the other to die as well?
but abraker died, meaning his lover also needs to die right? and the only other person who died was GIF.
Just because there's a lover in the game, doesn't mean that there is a second one
"Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it dies simultaneously."
I think I'm wrong about the cross party lovers, but still, GIF's role would have said that he was a lover.
"If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time."
Keyword is "IF"
Keyword is "IF"
Hmm, ok. So it was a one-way thing meaning abraker was the only lover?
maybe lover role doesnt have to have another to exist, its just a random chance for someone else to get it
Westonini wrote:
Hmm, ok. So it was a one-way thing meaning abraker was the only lover?
yes and yescravenfiner wrote:
maybe lover role doesnt have to have another to exist, its just a random chance for someone else to get it
Penguin wrote:
I think I'm wrong about the cross party lovers, but still, GIF's role would have said that he was a lover.
Yeah, "However, sometimes, one lover is otherwise a vanilla townie, while the other is a mafia goon."
And I do agree that GIF's role most likely would have said lover. But it would seem odd for there to be only one lover in a game. Maybe that's just because of my lack of experience though.
If you look at the list, there are only 7 Lover roles, so having two of them is highly unlikely when there are 146 roles.Westonini wrote:
Yeah, "However, sometimes, one lover is otherwise a vanilla townie, while the other is a mafia goon."Penguin wrote:
I think I'm wrong about the cross party lovers, but still, GIF's role would have said that he was a lover.
And I do agree that GIF's role most likely would have said lover. But it would seem odd for there to be only one lover in a game. Maybe that's just because of my lack of experience though.
It's just that most sources I'm seeing seem to mention it being a two-way thing, with them being a connected pair.
But I guess the only way it would make sense here is if there was only one lover.
I don't know how else to explain it. It's only a two-way thing if there are two lovers.Penguin wrote:
"If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time."
Keyword is "IF"
Yeah, I guess we'll just go with that since it makes the most sense here.
So GIF's Psychomagnet ability allows him to direct all actions at a single person. But seeing as he died, he probably didn't use the ability and just regularly killed abraker, then the mafia killed GIF.
So GIF's Psychomagnet ability allows him to direct all actions at a single person. But seeing as he died, he probably didn't use the ability and just regularly killed abraker, then the mafia killed GIF.
makes sense
So if it was originally 5vs1vs2, it's now 4vs2. Or at least that's what seems most likely. But I suppose it's also still possible for there to be another neutral or mafia.
Topic Starter
If only a single Lover exists, they are essentially a "Named Towie" work as a VT with a different role name. This only happens in idea games where it's possible less than 2 ppl pick or get lovers as a role. Additionally Lovers works as the Mason version for Werewolves, Lovers cannot be Werewolves
Vote Count 2.1
Vote Count 2.1
Not Voting (6) - Penguin, Husa, cravenfiner, Westonini, Keremal, Death
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 16th 2019, 6:40 PM ESTWith 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Yeah, that was my theory as well. The only way that this could be incorrect is if there is another neutral killing. I still think that abraker's theory of 5 town, 2 maf, and 1 neutral makes the most sense. It could also have been 4 town, 2 maf, and 2 aliens though. In that case it would be 3v2v1 right now.Westonini wrote:
So GIF's Psychomagnet ability allows him to direct all actions at a single person. But seeing as he died, he probably didn't use the ability and just regularly killed abraker, then the mafia killed GIF.
so pretty much, it's either 4v2 or 3v2v1.
I highly doubt there is 3 mafia. That would just be unfair.Westonini wrote:
So if it was originally 5vs1vs2, it's now 4vs2. Or at least that's what seems most likely. But I suppose it's also still possible for there to be another neutral or mafia.
Death seemed to really jump-the-gun there with his accusation at Penguin.
That's not to say Penguin couldn't have killed abraker and just planned to tell everyone "That would be stupid of me to do that if I was mafia." But in this case it seems most likely that GIF was the one that killed abraker, not a mafia member.
That's not to say Penguin couldn't have killed abraker and just planned to tell everyone "That would be stupid of me to do that if I was mafia." But in this case it seems most likely that GIF was the one that killed abraker, not a mafia member.
I'm pretty sure that it was GIF's plan to kill abraker then frame me, but I can't tell if Death just fell for it or if he was trying to frame me as well.Westonini wrote:
Death seemed to really jump-the-gun there with his accusation at Penguin.
That's not to say Penguin couldn't have killed abraker and just planned to tell everyone "That would be stupid of me to do that if I was mafia." But in this case it seems most likely that GIF was the one that killed abraker, not a mafia member.
That's exactly what a guilty person would say.
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Death wasn't being serious. At the beginning of Day 1 he said
Which was almost certainly a joke. So
Was probably just a follow-up to that joke.
Death wrote:
Clearly it's Penguin's intention to eliminate everyone as fast as possible.
Vote: Penguin
Which was almost certainly a joke. So
Death wrote:
Should have voted for Penguin.
Was probably just a follow-up to that joke.
now it just sounds like you're talking out of your butt.Death wrote:
That's exactly what a guilty person would say.
yeah, but he's still accusing meWestonini wrote:
Was probably just a follow-up to that joke.
Husa wrote:
poor abraker
I think abraker was the most hyped about this too
Topic Starter
Vote Count 2.2
Not Voting (6) - Penguin, Husa, cravenfiner, Westonini, Keremal, Death
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 16th 2019, 6:40 PM ESTWith 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
okay, well if there's 4 town, then we can vote someone today or tomorrow, assuming that only one of us dies tonight. If there's only three of us, we're kinda screwed.
we gotta be proactive and vote someone or else we're just gonna be sitting here twiddling our thumbs and doing nothing while mafia runs the game.
we gotta be proactive and vote someone or else we're just gonna be sitting here twiddling our thumbs and doing nothing while mafia runs the game.
I don't really have a read on anyone since no one is talking this game, that's the problem. I'm slightly sus of Death, but nothing substantial. Husa has posted like 2 times.
we have 6 more days to think of someone logical to vote, so at least we have that
Westonini wrote:
So like, vote someone to get the ball rolling?
Vote: Husa
They've barely said anything this entire game. Perfect strategy for mafia.
I'm fine with thisDeath wrote:
Vote: HusaWestonini wrote:
So like, vote someone to get the ball rolling?
They've barely said anything this entire game. Perfect strategy for mafia.
Vote: Husa
although, this could be Death just trying to get a bandwagon on someone besides himself since he knows I'm sus of him. Either way, it's a 50/50 and we have nothing else to go off of. Unless someone got info last night.
Penguin wrote:
I don't really have a read on anyone since no one is talking this game, that's the problem. I'm slightly sus of Death, but nothing substantial. Husa has posted like 2 times.
Death is fairly sus, since he's only been pointing fingers and not really providing much support in trying to figure out who's what, so he might be Godfather, however contradictory that statement is. Simply voting for someone doesn't make you innocent. However, Husa might be a mafioso, seeing as he rarely talks in this game, which would provide a real nuisance to Death, in the event that he's actually planning something. Again, contradictive of me, I know- But it's pretty plausible for someone who doesn't like the fact that a fellow mafioso isn't helping them keep their cover up do a friendly-fire vote. Then again, Death and Husa might be exceptions/townies that're unintentionally trying to mislead people, and Death is actually a Normal Townie.
Westonini appears to be legitimate, maybe an Investigator ploy even. But his eagerness to vote someone off to get the show started raises a small, but still distinct, red flag immediately. Probably a Vigilante, to be real.
However, I have to consider the fact that I'm going out on a limb, if not slanted towards one particular outcome, and so I won't define my vote as anything until damn well sufficient evidence is provided or theorized. If anything, I'll help push the boot to Husa in the event that nobody could figure something out.