[A L P H A] wrote:

omg you stole bg from handsome muscle's map!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

report b t w

1. modding assistant warnings about hitsounds. check it.
   
   wornings

   
   
   
2. I strongly recommend omitting some first barlines on the outro part to keep 4/4 feeling.
   03:40:884 - 03:41:224 -

1. move all greenlines for clap/finish to the left by 1/2 or 1/4. when we hit objects on those a bit faster, the clap/finish sounds don't ring.
2. also you need Taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav for players who don't use custom skin sound. when we hit D, weird snaredrum sound appears.
3. 02:35:770 - why not soft-finish? or spinner would be good for all diffs (like Oni and Inner Oni)

1. 00:12:588 (13) - can you remove this one? it's too fast to put long 2/1 line on such a calm part.
2. 00:18:043 (1) - then, remove this one too to make consistency.
3. 00:23:497 (9,10) - how about this for 6/1 rest?
   
   image

   
4. 01:03:213 (40,41,42,43,44,45) - seems too difficult as Kantan mainly cuz of 1/2 one => 01:04:406 (42) -
   i understand you take 1/2 with strong intensity, so can you remove 01:04:406 (42) - instead?
5. 01:07:134 (47) - remove this one. same reason as above. also you can emphasize 01:09:179 (48) - more by taking a rest after this.
6. 01:17:361 (3) - change to D for the cymbal sound?
7. 03:31:679 (21,22,23) - remove these to make 6/1 rest, also you can express that "Kiai has just been finished!"
8. 03:40:202 (35,36,37,38) - this upbeat pattern seems weird for me cuz of bassdrum sounds on the song. also you should take slider-end on 03:42:319 -
   
   image

   

1. 01:06:793 (1,2,3,4) - remove these for 4/1?
2. 01:18:043 (7) - ^
3. 02:09:179 - adding d for consistency with 02:03:724 - is better i think.
4. 03:31:679 (29,30) - remove these for same reason as Kantan.

1. from 02:03:724 - , more density than Kiai (it means no 3/2 rests.)
   consider these.
   
   1. 02:04:065 (13) - remove
   2. 02:09:520 (32) - move right by 1/2
2. 02:41:565 (24) - plz remove by 1/2 for rests.
3. 03:00:997 (39,40,41,42) - i preffer d-ddd than ddd-d. d-ddd mostly is commoner on songs.
4. 03:06:452 (62,63,64,65) - ^
5. 03:15:145 - add note (probably d). consistency with 03:09:690 -

1. 00:08:156 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34) - too long dkdkdk... imo. can you change some colors?
2. 00:11:565 (37,38) - these should be different. 37 is low sound, 38 is high sound.
   it means, i think changing 38 to K should be better.
3. 01:49:406 (56,57,58) - Ctrl+G? i wanna emphasize 01:49:406 - for a vocal.
4. 01:54:179 (7,8,9,10,11,12) - and 01:59:293 (36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44) - should be same rhythm as
   
   consistency.
5. 02:13:952 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what is this meaning? it feels boring and meaningless for me, why don't you put common rhythm?
   as a suggestion, removing 02:14:378 (6,8) - could work.
6. 02:55:201 (116) - it seems that you mainly follow vocal in this part so...
   
   image

   
7. 03:12:417 (4,5,6,7) - and 03:13:611 (11,12,13,14) - should be different imo. how about ctrl+G 03:13:952 (14,15) - ?
8. 03:21:452 (9,10) - how about this to follow percussion?
   
   image

   
9. 03:30:656 (64,65) - i can't find the reason why you put these finishers. common 1/4 "kkk" should suitable for this part imo.

1. 00:11:906 (42) - K. same as Oni
2. 00:22:645 (86) - k. considering pitch of percussion.
3. 00:27:588 (106,107,108) - if you're following the melody, this is correct.
   
   image

   
4. 00:38:497 (31) - i don't think this K is suitable for the song. change this to k and add some notes around here.
5. 01:04:065 (61,62,63) - too many ddk before this triplet. so how about this?
   
   image

   
6. 01:17:361 (9) - D should be fine cuz of cymbal sound on the song.
7. 01:44:634 (31) - k. i think take finishers per 4 measures should be good on this section. this seems unconsistented tbh.
8. 02:15:997 - this barline should be made slow as well as after 02:17:361 - . plz move greenline.
9. 02:35:770 (1) - shorten this spinner by 1/4. according ranking criteria, we should make 1/2 blank
   
   between spinner and next object.
10. 03:20:088 (369) - d. on other diffs, here isn't D probably because there's not any cymbal sounds. also i don't feel special meaning to put special pattern "kkkkD" here.
11. 03:36:281 - add k for snare sound?

thzz wrote:

hi~ sorry for too much late ;_;

well, seems you need a taiko check.
let's go!

[General]

1. modding assistant warnings about hitsounds. check it.
   
   wornings

   
   
   
2. I strongly recommend omitting some first barlines on the outro part to keep 4/4 feeling.
   03:40:884 - 03:41:224 -

I am completely a noob about mania and don't know how their hitsound work. But prostastic didn't mention this issue in his mod. So I guess it's not a problem. Or I may leave this problem to mania bn to check it next in next mod. I don't know how to fix it.

[Taiko General]

1. move all greenlines for clap/finish to the left by 1/2 or 1/4. when we hit objects on those a bit faster, the clap/finish sounds don't ring.
2. also you need Taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav for players who don't use custom skin sound. when we hit D, weird snaredrum sound appears.
3. 02:35:770 - why not soft-finish? or spinner would be good for all diffs (like Oni and Inner Oni)

i think it's just different way to deal with the music. both of them are reasonable. a short spinner at lower diffs may kill the newbie players

[Kantan]
set HP to 7. too easy to pass.
also, this map is composed mainly with 2/1 beat, therefore you need some 6/1 rests i think.

1. 00:12:588 (13) - can you remove this one? it's too fast to put long 2/1 line on such a calm part.
2. 00:18:043 (1) - then, remove this one too to make consistency.
3. 00:23:497 (9,10) - how about this for 6/1 rest?
   
   image

   
4. 01:03:213 (40,41,42,43,44,45) - seems too difficult as Kantan mainly cuz of 1/2 one => 01:04:406 (42) -
   i understand you take 1/2 with strong intensity, so can you remove 01:04:406 (42) - instead?
5. 01:07:134 (47) - remove this one. same reason as above. also you can emphasize 01:09:179 (48) - more by taking a rest after this.
6. 01:17:361 (3) - change to D for the cymbal sound?
7. 03:31:679 (21,22,23) - remove these to make 6/1 rest, also you can express that "Kiai has just been finished!"
8. 03:40:202 (35,36,37,38) - this upbeat pattern seems weird for me cuz of bassdrum sounds on the song. also you should take slider-end on 03:42:319 -
   
   image

   

[Futsuu]
as well as Katan, you need some 4/1 rests.

1. 01:06:793 (1,2,3,4) - remove these for 4/1?
2. 01:18:043 (7) - ^
3. 02:09:179 - adding d for consistency with 02:03:724 - is better i think.
4. 03:31:679 (29,30) - remove these for same reason as Kantan.

[Muzukashii]
take some 3/2 rests even if it's not calm part.

1. from 02:03:724 - , more density than Kiai (it means no 3/2 rests.)
   consider these.
   
   1. 02:04:065 (13) - remove
   2. 02:09:520 (32) - move right by 1/2
2. 02:41:565 (24) - plz remove by 1/2 for rests.
3. 03:00:997 (39,40,41,42) - i preffer d-ddd than ddd-d. d-ddd mostly is commoner on songs. ddd-d is weird in std but at least in taiko it's really common. and there is a obvious sound at dd-d. [/color]
4. 03:06:452 (62,63,64,65) - ^
5. 03:15:145 - add note (probably d). consistency with 03:09:690 -

[Oni]

1. 00:08:156 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34) - too long dkdkdk... imo. can you change some colors?
2. 00:11:565 (37,38) - these should be different. 37 is low sound, 38 is high sound.
   it means, i think changing 38 to K should be better.
3. 01:49:406 (56,57,58) - Ctrl+G? i wanna emphasize 01:49:406 - for a vocal.
4. 01:54:179 (7,8,9,10,11,12) - and 01:59:293 (36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44) - should be same rhythm as yes it's same. but i still want the second pattern harder than the first one to make the map more interesting. a completely same pattern looks like a little boring for me.
   
5. 02:13:952 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what is this meaning? it feels boring and meaningless for me, why don't you put common rhythm?
   as a suggestion, removing 02:14:378 (6,8) - could work.though i think the rhythm is reasonable ,i change it in my own way.
6. 02:55:201 (116) - it seems that you mainly follow vocal in this part so...
   
   image

   
7. 03:12:417 (4,5,6,7) - and 03:13:611 (11,12,13,14) - should be different imo. how about ctrl+G 03:13:952 (14,15) - ?
8. 03:21:452 (9,10) - how about this to follow percussion?
   
   image

   
9. 03:30:656 (64,65) - i can't find the reason why you put these finishers. common 1/4 "kkk" should suitable for this part imo.

[Inner Oni]
HP=6 can be suitable

1. 00:11:906 (42) - K. same as Oni
2. 00:22:645 (86) - k. considering pitch of percussion.
3. 00:27:588 (106,107,108) - if you're following the melody, this is correct.
   
   image

   
4. 00:38:497 (31) - i don't think this K is suitable for the song. change this to k and add some notes around here.there are three clear and powerful "去" “っ” “て” so i use three 1/1 note to emphasize them. and the last てis the most powerful one so i use a big K
5. 01:04:065 (61,62,63) - too many ddk before this triplet. so how about this?
   
   image

   
6. 01:17:361 (9) - D should be fine cuz of cymbal sound on the song.
7. 01:44:634 (31) - k. i think take finishers per 4 measures should be good on this section. this seems unconsistented tbh.
8. 02:15:997 - this barline should be made slow as well as after 02:17:361 - . plz move greenline.
9. 02:35:770 (1) - shorten this spinner by 1/4. according ranking criteria, we should make 1/2 blank
   
   between spinner and next object.
10. 03:20:088 (369) - d. on other diffs, here isn't D probably because there's not any cymbal sounds. also i don't feel special meaning to put special pattern "kkkkD" here. it's special cause this D means the end of the vocal
11. 03:36:281 - add k for snare sound?there would be 2 kkd here if i did it. i think it's better to do some undermap here to calm down from the kiai part

thanks!
that's it!
yes, call me back if you need~

Stefan wrote:

[General]
The hitsounds appears too calm to me. I'd go with 60% unless people complain it's too loud - which I doubt tbh.

uhh. idk. most of the time i am a no hitsound player. but i think 50% is pretty enough for me.

[Oni/Muzukashii]
I think I already pointed out that Muzukashii potentially should be lower densed but I think it's better to show you visually how similar it looks to Oni:




Upper row is Futsuu, mid is Muzukashii and lower is Oni. For picture one the similarity between Oni/Muzukashii is really high, on the other hand it looks too far apart between Futsuu/Muzukashii. For picture two it's the opposite and you should also consider a fix for that part. I can highly recommend you Sieg's Modding assistant: t/359381 so you can easily check the density between your taiko difficulties on your own and detect weird inconsistencies as well. Check Bakari's post for download: p/5557940



Also there are certain parts that works.. pretty inconsistent if you want to increase the difficulty per level. While Muzukashii's increasement is moderate, it's by far harder to Oni. It looks weird and design-wise not good at all.

the problem uhh...... i think i already do my best to keep the balance between each diffs now. sometimes it's seems like inconsistent between each diffs but I just use different way to do with the music. at least the overall density is fine now...i guess


Aside of that the map uses hitsounds on a fairly good base but still suffer by density inconsistencies. Whenever you go through my mod post here, we could do something together in IRC if you have some time up. It could be easier to improve the map over this way. As well, please try to gather some more feedback (it doesn't have to be mods though) because for now we lack of (more experienced) feedbacks rn. I however asked around if people will testplay your taiko difficulties, so you may receive them in the next days (hopefully).

Ellyu wrote:

thzz wrote:

[General]

1. modding assistant warnings about hitsounds. check it.
   
   wornings

   
   
   
2. I strongly recommend omitting some first barlines on the outro part to keep 4/4 feeling.
   03:40:884 - 03:41:224 -

I am completely a noob about mania and don't know how their hitsound work. But prostastic didn't mention this issue in his mod. So I guess it's not a problem. Or I may leave this problem to mania bn to check it next in next mod. I don't know how to fix it.

=>about warnings, i understood. i leave it to next mod.
but about barlines, are these barlines needed? I doubt it strongly. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9100178
can you check "Omit first barline" on those points this time and ask next modder to check with the state?

[Taiko General]

1. move all greenlines for clap/finish to the left by 1/2 or 1/4. when we hit objects on those a bit faster, the clap/finish sounds don't ring.
2. also you need Taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav for players who don't use custom skin sound. when we hit D, weird snaredrum sound appears.
3. 02:35:770 - why not soft-finish? or spinner would be good for all diffs (like Oni and Inner Oni)

i think it's just different way to deal with the music. both of them are reasonable. a short spinner at lower diffs may kill the newbie players

=>i understood about spinners, it's okay. and confirmed greenlines, thank you.
did you really try listening to 01:27:588 - with default skin? also plz confirm whether you unchecked "Use Taiko skin for Taiko mode".

thzz wrote:

this is just a light check tho.


=>about warnings, i understood. i leave it to next mod.
but about barlines, are these barlines needed? I doubt it strongly. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9100178
can you check "Omit first barline" on those points this time and ask next modder to check with the state?
I am pretty sure the red timing point is needed. at here it's not a common 4/4 rhythm but 7/8. from 03:41:735 - to 03:42:319 - you can clearly hear 7 beat. if it's a 4/4 regular rhythm you would hear 8 beat. and 03:40:884 - it's 7/8 too if you listen it with 25% speed. if osu got 7/8 setting like 4/4 and 3/4 the barline could be omitted but there's none.


[Taiko General]

1. move all greenlines for clap/finish to the left by 1/2 or 1/4. when we hit objects on those a bit faster, the clap/finish sounds don't ring.
2. also you need Taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav for players who don't use custom skin sound. when we hit D, weird snaredrum sound appears.
3. 02:35:770 - why not soft-finish? or spinner would be good for all diffs (like Oni and Inner Oni)

i think it's just different way to deal with the music. both of them are reasonable. a short spinner at lower diffs may kill the newbie players

=>i understood about spinners, it's okay. and confirmed greenlines, thank you.
did you really try listening to 01:27:588 - with default skin? also plz confirm whether you unchecked "Use Taiko skin for Taiko mode".
i'll do whole check on day after tomorrow. plz check those before it!
lol. it is the most discussed issue in this map. actually,this is a map which you can't ignore the beatmap hitsound cuz part of the music are cut in to the hitsound,which means that the problem at 01:27:588 can't be fixed with hitsound

Ellyu wrote:

thzz wrote:

this is just a light check tho.


=>about warnings, i understood. i leave it to next mod.
but about barlines, are these barlines needed? I doubt it strongly. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9100178
can you check "Omit first barline" on those points this time and ask next modder to check with the state?
I am pretty sure the red timing point is needed. at here it's not a common 4/4 rhythm but 7/8. from 03:41:735 - to 03:42:319 - you can clearly hear 7 beat. if it's a 4/4 regular rhythm you would hear 8 beat. and 03:40:884 - it's 7/8 too if you listen it with 25% speed. if osu got 7/8 setting like 4/4 and 3/4 the barline could be omitted but there's none.

=> yea i've been sure red points are needed! can i confirm to you whether you've understood that i'm saying just about the "omit first bar line" ? -> http://puu.sh/xEavp/5d573de5ca.png

[Taiko General]

1. move all greenlines for clap/finish to the left by 1/2 or 1/4. when we hit objects on those a bit faster, the clap/finish sounds don't ring.
2. also you need Taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav for players who don't use custom skin sound. when we hit D, weird snaredrum sound appears.
3. 02:35:770 - why not soft-finish? or spinner would be good for all diffs (like Oni and Inner Oni)

i think it's just different way to deal with the music. both of them are reasonable. a short spinner at lower diffs may kill the newbie players

=>i understood about spinners, it's okay. and confirmed greenlines, thank you.
did you really try listening to 01:27:588 - with default skin? also plz confirm whether you unchecked "Use Taiko skin for Taiko mode".
i'll do whole check on day after tomorrow. plz check those before it!
lol. it is the most discussed issue in this map. actually,this is a map which you can't ignore the beatmap hitsound cuz part of the music are cut in to the hitsound,which means that the problem at 01:27:588 can't be fixed with hitsound

ah, okay i mistook! copy taiko-normal-hitnormal.wav and rename it to "taiko-soft-hitnormal10.wav", you need '10'. not "taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav". and the problem will be fixed.

1. remove 00:41:224 (30) - or 00:43:952 (34) - plz. the pattern 7 times 2/1 in a row including finishers is difficult for newbies.
2. 00:35:088 - and 00:45:997 - , take consistency. the vocal on 00:47:361 (38,39,40,41,42) - is different than previous therefore these aren't a problem tho.

1. 03:17:361 (344) - can you set here to be a finisher to prepare for next kkkkD? putting finishers per 2 measures makes me more sense, and it can be agreeable for me that kkkkD.

thzz wrote:

this is just a light check tho.


=>about warnings, i understood. i leave it to next mod.
but about barlines, are these barlines needed? I doubt it strongly. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9100178
can you check "Omit first barline" on those points this time and ask next modder to check with the state?
I am pretty sure the red timing point is needed. at here it's not a common 4/4 rhythm but 7/8. from 03:41:735 - to 03:42:319 - you can clearly hear 7 beat. if it's a 4/4 regular rhythm you would hear 8 beat. and 03:40:884 - it's 7/8 too if you listen it with 25% speed. if osu got 7/8 setting like 4/4 and 3/4 the barline could be omitted but there's none.

=> yea i've been sure red points are needed! can i confirm to you whether you've understood that i'm saying just about the "omit first bar line" ? -> http://puu.sh/xEavp/5d573de5ca.png

[Taiko General]

1. move all greenlines for clap/finish to the left by 1/2 or 1/4. when we hit objects on those a bit faster, the clap/finish sounds don't ring.
2. also you need Taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav for players who don't use custom skin sound. when we hit D, weird snaredrum sound appears.
3. 02:35:770 - why not soft-finish? or spinner would be good for all diffs (like Oni and Inner Oni)

i think it's just different way to deal with the music. both of them are reasonable. a short spinner at lower diffs may kill the newbie players

=>i understood about spinners, it's okay. and confirmed greenlines, thank you.
did you really try listening to 01:27:588 - with default skin? also plz confirm whether you unchecked "Use Taiko skin for Taiko mode".
i'll do whole check on day after tomorrow. plz check those before it!
lol I never know that foundation before and I misunderstood. it's my fault
lol. it is the most discussed issue in this map. actually,this is a map which you can't ignore the beatmap hitsound cuz part of the music are cut in to the hitsound,which means that the problem at 01:27:588 can't be fixed with hitsound

ah, okay i mistook! copy taiko-normal-hitnormal.wav and rename it to "taiko-soft-hitnormal10.wav", you need '10'. not "taiko-soft-hitnormal.wav". and the problem will be fixed.

1. remove 00:41:224 (30) - or 00:43:952 (34) - plz. the pattern 7 times 2/1 in a row including finishers is difficult for newbies.fixed
2. 00:35:088 - and 00:45:997 - , take consistency. the vocal on 00:47:361 (38,39,40,41,42) - is different than previous therefore these aren't a problem tho.ok

1. 03:17:361 (344) - can you set here to be a finisher to prepare for next kkkkD? putting finishers per 2 measures makes me more sense, and it can be agreeable for me that kkkkD.I give up the kkkkD and turn it to kkkkd. the previous dkkkd is more important lol.

HXJ_Crafter wrote:

@Protastic101
As I have requested, I no longer join this map because I quit the community for a long time.
Thanks :3

Protastic101 wrote:

[tofu]
00:43:611 (43611|1,43781|1) - Might move this to col 1 to even out the weight of all the stacks. From there, I'd also stack 00:44:122 (44122|1) - in 4 to continue on the pattern as the sound doesnt quite end until 00:44:293 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9326905

00:55:543 (55543|3) - I'd suggest removing this to avoid the 1/4 minijack with 00:55:457 (55457|3) - cause the BPM isn't slow enough to where a minijack of that sort is all that doable.

01:11:565 (71565|3,71906|0) - I would leave these as short notes since the guitar has a bit of a short break where it rests for one beat after the upbeat of 01:11:565 - and doesnt become entirely continuous until 01:12:077 -

01:15:827 - Add a note here in col 1 for the second repetition of the sound at 01:15:656 - ? There isn't clap sound here as those other I put with double notes

02:03:298 (123298|3,123384|1) - I'd suggest switching the columns here to avoid having a short note play on the middle finger while the index finger holds down a note as it's a bit more difficult to execute that way.
02:03:554 (123554|2,123724|1) - If above is accepted, control H this to avoid having too much weight on the right hand https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9326936

02:57:077 (177077|1,177247|3) - Move to col 3 and 1 respectively to avoid the three note stack at 02:56:736 (176736|1,176906|1,177077|1) - which I think is unnecessary due to there being a lack of any repeating sounds

03:41:735 - Rather than go for a simple jumptrill here, I think it'd be nice to jack these since they're the same sound repeating for a beat. Something easy like [12][12][34][34] would be fine since jacks aren't used at all so far in the song https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9326960

done

Protastic101 wrote:

[antalf]
00:20:770 (20770|2,21111|1) - I would control H these LNs so that you don't have a 1/1 stack with 00:20:429 (20429|2,20770|2) - which feels a bit heavy on the right hand. didnt we state hand balance is a social construct?

00:33:384 (33384|2,33554|1,33724|2,33895|1,34065|2) - I'd control H this and then extend the LN at 00:33:384 (33384|2) - to 00:33:724 - for a less abrupt cut off for the spring like sound dont you tell me to extend my lns :cccc (applied)

01:08:156 (68156|3,68327|2,68497|3,68668|2,68838|3,69009|2,69179|3,69349|2,69520|3) - I think it'd be better to break up this OH trill after a bit cause this feels kind of excessive. Maybe try splitting it around 01:09:009 - ? my god, when did that atrocity happen.

01:25:884 (85884|2,86565|1) - Don't really see the point of these notes. I mean, the sound is a 2/1 build up and there doesn't appear to be anything else here in the music. I'd just use a 2/1 LN starting from the previous jump to represent the building sound then, like so https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9353062 what the actual hell, both notes deleted, wont add lns for that build up tho, i dont think i see it as necessary

01:38:838 (98838|2,98838|1,99349|2) - I would control H here for symmetry and also hand balance cause you'll have one OH trill on the right hand and another on the left immediately after instead of the two on the right like you have now. now thats the visual mapper i wanna see again

02:13:866 - 02:14:207 - there's two 1/4 triplets here that help to lead into the build up section that I think would be nice to add to differentiate this measure from the preceding ones. added cuz y not

02:23:327 (143327|1) - Shouldn't this be a 1/2 LN like 02:17:872 (137872|2) - was cause they're the same sound? tru


done

Antalf wrote:

quick irc with Protastic, found some stuff. Check aimod aaaaa

Update:https://puu.sh/y4mYY/41c6d826b6.osu

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Hi Ellyu, I would like to point out that there exists a decimal error in the base slider velocity of Inner Oni.



It is recommended to fix it to 1.40 via notepad to make it the same as other four difficulties. Feel free to call me for disqualification if you want to change this.

HXJ_Crafter wrote:

:o
Congratz

HXJ_Crafter wrote:

:o
Congratz

Charlotte wrote:

gratz

Surono wrote:

gratz Ellyu, ahuheuhe sry in da past cant promise to realized it. :"D

Arrival wrote:

changing the SV for such a minor number is useless though,

gratz

Suzuki_1112 wrote:

HXJ_Crafter wrote:

:o
Congratz

你以为你是挨炮吗，一句congratz就能坠毁那种

_MiaoFUuU_ wrote:

强 无敌